It really doesn't matter if HAIM were the headline band or not. The fact is their agent lied to them about their receiving equal pay, and basically told them to be quiet about it. HAIM had the right to stand up for themselves and also the right to receive equal pay. I am so pround of Alana, Danielle, and Este for standing up for themselves and, by extension, other women and girls.
I remember Prince had Susan Rogers as his engineer and she was one of the very few women in the music industry back in the day..WHY are we still having this conversation at all? Prince ALWAYS promoted female musicians throughout his career as he knew it was a sexist industry ..some of the comments on this thread are lame.🙄
I’ve watched a few videos of Haim being interviewed, just a few so I might be wrong, but the impression I get is that Danielle would prefer not to talk. It seems to me that by taking the mic or answering for her, her sisters are doing her a favour. I’m surprised how many comments I read along the lines of ‘poor Danielle’. Isn’t there a small chance that her sisters, who clearly have a deep love for each other, might know better than you what Danielle is feeling?
I think these three are so successful because they play to their (many) individual strengths, while obviously giving each other space to grow. Danielle communicates volumes outside of interviews. And she's the old soul and more openly introverted, which I ❤.
hmm i get the fishy feeling about these things well just becasue that "particualr band" was paid 10times more thant them does not immediately equate to that that was becasue they were male band.. i see this kind of very vague reasoning and no use of critical analyze to back up their point in feminism community i was fan of haim since 2012 when they were not that big they were so Xuckin RAW and rock n' roll but these actions they are taking recently whcih portraits themselves as victim is quite concerning maybe it's just another LA california madness.. it seems like they are becoming another hollywood people i hope they don't turn out to political figure and preach the people with moral virtue someday
@@LividPatriarch If this is true, it definitely takes some of the piss out of the story. While no one should be lied to by their manager/agent/whoever when it comes to money, Kendrick Lamar wasn't just on a different level than Haim in 2018, he was in a completely different building all together. There's nothing sexist or unfair about paying a global superstar 10x what you'd pay a really successful indie band, regardless of who they are.
@@JEFFKINGS yeah look, honestly I'm gonna have to go ahead and retract that comment; came as word-of-mouth from a rather outspoken friend on the subject and I can't actually find any verification that they were even playing in the same festival in the same year as the person that told me this implied.
The band was the HEADLINER of the event. She says so in the video. And that band was Muse. You know, the global arena selling band. It wasn't another small indie pop band like themselves. I love Haim but they're in another league of they think they're a big a draw as MUSE.
@@JEFFKINGS The manager should'nt have lied, but a good manager should never discusses other clients financials with other clients. That's business 101. Looks like he was just trying to avoid that.
Was the pay about gender inequality...or paying the headliner way more!? Headliners usually do get a lot more. In 2018 Haim was coming into their own, and standing up for yourself is key. I am not sure this is so cut and dried though. There is a lot of grey here...
I understand that men sometimes get paid more, but in the music industry?? Just seems strange. I don't see the reasoning. At least with like manual labor with heavy lifting and stuff or sports you could have an argument (not a great one), but when it comes to music there is literally nothing you could say that warrant women being paid less. They do the EXACT same thing as men, and many bands are guys/girls so what is the pay then?
The disparity comes from the fact that they were opening and the other band was headlining, which is standard practice. They aren't doing the same job.
It’s out of order that they were lied to. But to assume the reason they were getting less is because they’re women is presumptuous. It’s one of many possible reasons.
as women we can definitely pick up when the reason for us not to be allowed to do something or to receive less credit for something is because of our gender. especially in such a controversial environment like the music industry. i know there could’ve been other reasons, but part of the issue is that our problem keeps being overlooked when it shouldn’t be considered normal
If the other band was Muse, that would be like Anya Taylor-Joy asking for the same salary as Scarlett Johansson. Be reasonable and logical. And no, don't hire women every chance you get. Hire the best for the job. Oh wait, looking at who mixes HAIM's music... All male mix engineers, what a surprise.
@@verkanntoderverwunschen Did you miss the part where Alana said this other male band was the HEADLINER...? Not saying gender pay doesn't exist, but do you think headliners and supporting acts get paid the same? That's like the stupid "pay disparity" over the Mark Walhberg and Michelle Williams movie. There's one that's a known draw for audiences and the other is not. Or how WNBA players want equal pay to the NBA. One brings in millions of fans, and the other no one even watches--including women. For all anyone knows, and they're certainly not gonna tell anyone, is that maybe other bands got less than Haim at the same event. All the story says is they got paid less than, again, THE HEADLINER. Do you think Haim is gonna fight for equal pay on a tour they headline if they have a male supporting act?
@@verkanntoderverwunschen Also that other band wasn't just random dudes, they were MUSE. 20mil albums sold, multiple awards, sell out arena, world famous, headline festivals.
That other band was MUSE. Does anyone think they're at all on the same level of marketability? It's like if they played with blink 182 or the Killers. There's no way they're gonna negotiate the same deal.
While I love Haim's music, there was no sexism involved here. It seems like the other artist/band was bigger than they were, so naturally they would be getting paid more. That's like being a part of a line up and complaining why Paul McCartney is getting paid more than you are. Put the card back in the deck.
@@MissPikklz stop the fucking presses, an agent lied. This agent lied about the fact that they weren't getting paid as much as the headliners, which was muse btw, which is standard. I mean sacked for breach of confidentiality - probably a good thing, sacked for not getting an indie band muse money - fucking dumb.
It really doesn't matter if HAIM were the headline band or not. The fact is their agent lied to them about their receiving equal pay, and basically told them to be quiet about it. HAIM had the right to stand up for themselves and also the right to receive equal pay. I am so pround of Alana, Danielle, and Este for standing up for themselves and, by extension, other women and girls.
So sad the interviewer said they're famous for sticking up for themselves when they're clearly a SUCCESSFUL BAND THAT PLAYS MUSIC FOR A LIVING!
once again, rip danielle's mic
As the oldest sister, I’m feeling Este’s face when she’s watching Alana speak so passionately
Why 2 mics for 3 girls ??? Is it so difficult to have a third one ? Such a same !!
and out of nowhere they have a extra to switch, smh very unprofessional
Just checking out Danielle's outfit 🤩
They're litterly my favorite band, and I had no clue this ever happened.
Empowered women empower other women, which is so evidently clear with Haim. One of the many reasons I love them so much!
I remember Prince had Susan Rogers as his engineer and she was one of the very few women in the music industry back in the day..WHY are we still having this conversation at all? Prince ALWAYS promoted female musicians throughout his career as he knew it was a sexist industry ..some of the comments on this thread are lame.🙄
And HOW you rock the freaking boat!!!! 💗
I just hate when they interrupt or remove the mic from Danielle, that’s why she never talks.
I’ve watched a few videos of Haim being interviewed, just a few so I might be wrong, but the impression I get is that Danielle would prefer not to talk. It seems to me that by taking the mic or answering for her, her sisters are doing her a favour. I’m surprised how many comments I read along the lines of ‘poor Danielle’. Isn’t there a small chance that her sisters, who clearly have a deep love for each other, might know better than you what Danielle is feeling?
@@sigmundjester Danielle is probably an introvert. I don't know why people don't know or can't see that, it's pretty obvious💁
@@sigmundjester Very interesting way to look at it, especially considering she sings most of the songs. I never thought about it that way
I think these three are so successful because they play to their (many) individual strengths, while obviously giving each other space to grow. Danielle communicates volumes outside of interviews. And she's the old soul and more openly introverted, which I ❤.
I adore how they don't talk over one another or like fight for the mic, they let each other have their own time to speak. I love HAIM so much ahhhh
I ❤ Este ... I'd share my Insulin with her any day...
keep rocking the boat, HAIM sissies 💗
I've been calling them Ham since 2013 Days Are Gone album. I never heard their name until TMZ today
I fancy them
yeah! 👭✊ women empowerment
Equality is in mEn & womEn
hmm i get the fishy feeling about these things
well just becasue that "particualr band" was paid 10times more thant them does not immediately equate to that that was becasue they were male band..
i see this kind of very vague reasoning and no use of critical analyze to back up their point in feminism community
i was fan of haim since 2012 when they were not that big
they were so Xuckin RAW and rock n' roll
but these actions they are taking recently whcih portraits themselves as victim is quite concerning
maybe it's just another LA california madness..
it seems like they are becoming another hollywood people
i hope they don't turn out to political figure and preach the people with moral virtue someday
Was the band more famous I think there's a question we need to ask?
@@LividPatriarch If this is true, it definitely takes some of the piss out of the story. While no one should be lied to by their manager/agent/whoever when it comes to money, Kendrick Lamar wasn't just on a different level than Haim in 2018, he was in a completely different building all together. There's nothing sexist or unfair about paying a global superstar 10x what you'd pay a really successful indie band, regardless of who they are.
@@JEFFKINGS yeah look, honestly I'm gonna have to go ahead and retract that comment; came as word-of-mouth from a rather outspoken friend on the subject and I can't actually find any verification that they were even playing in the same festival in the same year as the person that told me this implied.
The band was the HEADLINER of the event. She says so in the video. And that band was Muse. You know, the global arena selling band. It wasn't another small indie pop band like themselves. I love Haim but they're in another league of they think they're a big a draw as MUSE.
@@JEFFKINGS The manager should'nt have lied, but a good manager should never discusses other clients financials with other clients. That's business 101. Looks like he was just trying to avoid that.
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As usual, the best man for the job, is a woman!
Was the pay about gender inequality...or paying the headliner way more!? Headliners usually do get a lot more. In 2018 Haim was coming into their own, and standing up for yourself is key. I am not sure this is so cut and dried though. There is a lot of grey here...
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Hire me as your internnnn
Maria Portillo You’d probably have to be able to spell to qualify.
hahaha urrrr so funny @@infinite3joy
Or interim mgr?
I understand that men sometimes get paid more, but in the music industry?? Just seems strange. I don't see the reasoning. At least with like manual labor with heavy lifting and stuff or sports you could have an argument (not a great one), but when it comes to music there is literally nothing you could say that warrant women being paid less. They do the EXACT same thing as men, and many bands are guys/girls so what is the pay then?
The disparity comes from the fact that they were opening and the other band was headlining, which is standard practice. They aren't doing the same job.
It’s out of order that they were lied to. But to assume the reason they were getting less is because they’re women is presumptuous. It’s one of many possible reasons.
as women we can definitely pick up when the reason for us not to be allowed to do something or to receive less credit for something is because of our gender. especially in such a controversial environment like the music industry. i know there could’ve been other reasons, but part of the issue is that our problem keeps being overlooked when it shouldn’t be considered normal
If the other band was Muse, that would be like Anya Taylor-Joy asking for the same salary as Scarlett Johansson. Be reasonable and logical. And no, don't hire women every chance you get. Hire the best for the job. Oh wait, looking at who mixes HAIM's music... All male mix engineers, what a surprise.
how does someone get to be the best for a job?
Power Women's Summit...is this a joke ? Guys are falling around laughing at us
it isn't because of gender. it's because of people wanting to keep money.
@@verkanntoderverwunschen Did you miss the part where Alana said this other male band was the HEADLINER...? Not saying gender pay doesn't exist, but do you think headliners and supporting acts get paid the same? That's like the stupid "pay disparity" over the Mark Walhberg and Michelle Williams movie. There's one that's a known draw for audiences and the other is not. Or how WNBA players want equal pay to the NBA. One brings in millions of fans, and the other no one even watches--including women. For all anyone knows, and they're certainly not gonna tell anyone, is that maybe other bands got less than Haim at the same event. All the story says is they got paid less than, again, THE HEADLINER. Do you think Haim is gonna fight for equal pay on a tour they headline if they have a male supporting act?
@@verkanntoderverwunschen Also that other band wasn't just random dudes, they were MUSE. 20mil albums sold, multiple awards, sell out arena, world famous, headline festivals.
Never heard of Muse, but I've heard of Haim.
That other band was MUSE. Does anyone think they're at all on the same level of marketability? It's like if they played with blink 182 or the Killers. There's no way they're gonna negotiate the same deal.
I've read the other band was Vampire Weekend, not Muse.
@@fabricioguido8202 who listens to vampire weekend anymore haha
@@sophieb2883 Who listens to Muse anymore?
While I love Haim's music, there was no sexism involved here. It seems like the other artist/band was bigger than they were, so naturally they would be getting paid more. That's like being a part of a line up and complaining why Paul McCartney is getting paid more than you are. Put the card back in the deck.
I guess you didn't hear the part where their agent said that everyone was being paid the same.....?
@@MissPikklz stop the fucking presses, an agent lied. This agent lied about the fact that they weren't getting paid as much as the headliners, which was muse btw, which is standard. I mean sacked for breach of confidentiality - probably a good thing, sacked for not getting an indie band muse money - fucking dumb.
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