@@UrielX1212 That's the secret to a successful SW offering: watching our beloved characters at their prime doing something awesome. Nobody wants to see a bratty Darth Vader or decrepit Luke. Save your heart rending character developments/twists for the new characters.
@@LizardSpork Their prime was 30 years ago. Trying to resurrect them now is like going to the graveyard and attempting to resurrect the dead. The CGI reconstruction of Leia and Tarkin is just comical and highlights this fallacy. The Star Wars universe is tiny in that it seemingly cannot exist without characters developed back in those years gone by. They never did what they did in, say, Star Trek and create brand new characters in brand new places. Even the new failed prequel trilogy keeps trying to bring back the past. I mean for petes sake no one needs to see Carrier Fisher after years of cocaine abuse or Mark Hamill after years of...whatever the hell turned him into a toolshed. The problem is the Star Wars fans that get a hard on when some CGI piece of crap imitation of Darth Vader fires up a lightsaber. What a useless lot. Rejecting most of the expanded universe has made Star Wars a dying husk of a franchise. The sequel tribology finished it off IMO although the Mandalorian has breathed a few embers into it (Of course they had to have fucking Luke Skywalker come back...Jesus Wept).
@@UrielX1212 I'm not saying Luke or Han are the only things people should want to see. The success of the Mandalorian isn't carried by Luke showing up at the end the same way R1 wasn't carried by Darth Vader hallway scene even if that turned out to be the most memorable (personally the Battle of Scariff was worth the price of admission alone and this was just the cherry on top). You can call their presence pandering or fan service, I prefer to think of it as a tribute and a fitting one since they happened in the same time and aren't out of place. Hell a lot of the extended universe involve the main cast in one way or the other so a Rogue Squadron movie will include them tangentially anyway.
What made me love Rogue One. 1.Vader Scene of course. 2. Dark Gritty tone, blade runner-esque at some points. 3. Beautiful Cinematography 4. KOTOR inspired (K2-SO=HK-47 & the hammerhead) 5. Gary Whitta is awesome. (Kinda Funny Games YT on Wednesdays)
For sure. It made Vader scary again. That scene is practically a horror scene, shot like an axe-murderer just hacking his way through victims. Terrifying. I admit I cheered.
I also think Rogue One had the most realistic, believable special effects of any of the new SW movies. Not since the original trilogy have I had the impression of a real, lived-in world. If A New Hope had come out in 2016 instead of 1977, it would have looked like this.
Each of the prequels had more real sets and practical effect than any on OT movies. And prequels galaxy with massive galaxy wide republic in state of collape show far more realistic world than OT
@@michaelstark8720 What are you talking about? The prequels' effects look like they were from a mid-range SyFy miniseries. Time has not been kind to that CGI. Everything looked way too perfect and smooth; I don't know any other set of movies that screams "green screen" any louder, except for maybe those awful Hobbit movies.
R1 is my second favorite. Its actually a war, it feels like a war, high stakes and all. People complained about the characters, but that scene when the rebels unite to stand up and fight I fully understood all the terrible things they had done and why doing some good would mean so much. Very underrated film to me
@@MyHazey That Vader scene is the reason that _Tantive IV_ was able to escape. And it makes Leia look like an idiot in _A New Hope,_ and it contradicts ANH novelisation. _Tantive IV_ wasn't supposed to be there, and _didn't_ need to be there.
@@MyHazey If you liked that Darth Vader scene, you should watch this: Star Wars SC 38 Reimagined - th-cam.com/video/to2SMng4u1k/w-d-xo.html Fan made reimagening of the Darth / Obi fight from A New Hope ;)
I absolutely love Rogue One.. it's a phenomenal Star Wars film that now makes a New Hope even that much better. You can watch Rogue One and A New Hope as one long seamless film and it's fantastic.
Couldn't agree more. I don't care about the behind-the-scenes turmoil - the end result is what counts and it is fantastic. Great story, great, relatable characters, wonderful acting, great chemistry, breathtaking effects and THE most awesome final scene in at least the past decade. The amount of effort put in to make a coherent great movie speaks for Disney. Why they left the "main" saga to airheads like JarJar Abrams and Ruin Johnson is beyond me. And don't forget - production of Star Wars was a complete mess. And then the movie made cinema history.
It's the only one of the new films that gave me the same feeling as the originals, by far the best of all the new films, the fact that felicity jones is a way better actress than daisy ridley also helped, the cast in general was better in rogue one than the cast in the other new films.
@Emilia Barzini it implies preference to the original trilogy, which can matter when comparing opinions. I see that, and I think they generally like 4-6 more than 1-3 (although some put 3 above 6) and 7-8 (with 7 somewhere between). Assuming similar taste in which SW movies are favored makes it more likely we'd have a similar reaction to RO as they would, if we've yet to see it.
@Emilia Barzini the fact that it's subjective is kinda the point though. If someone tells me TLJ and Solo were their favorite SW movies, I'm less likely to want to see their other favorites, as opposed to an "old fan" that likes Empire more. But that's just my take on it. Maybe rebelworks will have a different explanation for why it matters. Either way, I'm not sure why it was important enough to bring up in the first place. I was just explaining how it might relate to an opinion.
Have you ever heard the phrase 'damning with faint praise' 'Beating your wife is not as bad as murdering your wife' 'Murdering your wife is not as bad as murdering your wife and children'
I've watched this one a few times and it's easily my favorite Star Wars movie made after 1983. It has just about the same outfits and technologies as the original trilogy and it just makes sense. The technology in the prequels feels too advanced and the sequels have way too many plotholes and just doesn't make much sense.
I loved the cinematics of 7 and 8, but Disney has completely ruined the story and has given us one that doesn't even come close to the Legacy of the Force series. Disney also got rid of 4-5 other amazing story arcs
I feel like this movie became one of the best movies in the whole series. The ending is the only star wars ending that has actually made me cry... Don't @ me
As a 32 year old, I feel with Rogue One I finally got “my” Star Wars film. I absolutely love this film and it is the only “NewAge” Star Wars worth a damn.
Steve i’m 35 and i have to say i feel the same. I’m still upset if i want to watch the original 3 i have to bust out my VHS tapes from a kid, because I can’t stand the special edition that has the changed music in jedi and added chi bullshit.
Rogue One captured the true Star Wars feel imo. I felt the same way as as I did as an 18 yr old, back in 1977. I never cared for any of the newer Star Wars movies, probably thanks to Jar Jar et al.
It's not a damn good star wars film. Characters barely have any arcs. Motivations are dull. Dialogue is a bit hammy at moments (maybe it is a homage to Lucas after all). The whole Scariff thing is a storytelling mess. But it is A star wars film and that can't be denied. So I absolutely love it. On the other hand, TFA brought nothing to the table, merely echoing other star wars films for easy emotional payoff and TLJ just did the opposite, shitting on everything held dear by fans to position itself as forward thinking and smart (spoiler: it's neither).
I loved this movie... 1000 times better than Force Awakens and The Last Jedi... Amazing cinematography and great acting and fits in perfectly with the original trilogy.
Totally agree. What makes it great for me is that it’s a complete stand-alone experience. Perfect companion piece to the original trilogy (the only one that’s worth while). Also kudos to Harmy’s Despecialized Editions.
That Guy do you think Last Jedi worked as a plot? It’s hard work to make fantasy seem unreasonable in the lamest way possible. I’ll def give you my opinion when I have more time on why I specifically found rogue one to be wayyyy more satisfying a film than either of the new trilogy films.
Last Jedi? I know some people enjoy Johnson’s directorial choice to “do the opposite of what was expected” but at what cost lol. It’s not as though it had twists and surprises, it still did what was expected but in a boring way. Snoke was a massively wasted character. The choreography in the throne room fight had a lot of mistakes, which in this day and age is unforgivable. This isn’t 1970s cinema anymore. That opening scene was fraught with ridiculous choices by the characters. Luke’s arc was odd and shitty. Too many things didn’t connect from force awakens and last Jedi, or when they did the payoff was lackluster. As far as things that didn’t matter yes the side mission with finn and rose was torture and her absolutely silly crash into Finn and subsequent love speech felt so forced it was painful. Even if someone defends the reasons for all of these choices, in the end it’s a movie, it has to be entertaining in either and action sense or an emotional one. It was the first Star Wars movie I watched where I couldn’t get into any of it. Think about how insane and silly the entire plot was, running out of fuel? Chasing ships but can’t catch up? Not telling poe the plan and causing a mutiny that could’ve gotten everyone killed? Rogue one didn’t hit on every decision but I was intrigued the entire time. The desire to save a lost parent and understand why your life went the way it did is interesting. It has engaging characters that were true to their personalities. CGI and effects and battles were phenomenal. Those At At walkers roaming the beaches blew my mind. Even the Vader scene which can be called pandering was awesome. Again I understand it’s just opinion but it isn’t a coincidence that many people enjoyed rogue and mannyy people disliked last jedi. I’m just bummed out beyond belief bc they had a shot to bring an amazing story into focus in a new era while closing out the old characters in a unique way honoring their past. Instead we got what... a random person doing those just to do it. And the old characters not done justice. To each their own but not for me.
I agree. First time I saw it I loved it, but it gets even better every time I watch it. It may have surpassed Empire Strikes back as my favorite film of the franchise. Or at least it's very close.
Hey, the original star wars had horrible production issues and was fixed in the editing. Proof that if a director surrounds themselves with a quality team and knows when to step back they can still produce thr best possible.
i never knew people did NOT like this movie, i love it and it's #2 after empire strikes back (of course). It's better than ALL of the current stuff that has come out...
@@richardedge5947 Nice to know such a well spoken Neanderthal defends such a clusteryuck of an abortion. Makes me feel good about thinking it is a Terd!
After repeated viewings I think it actually stands up as one of the best Star Wars films. It's got all the tropes you want and the last 3rd is brilliant.
It wasn't perfect, but it was risky, and I think it paid off. I had no knowledge that he was in the movie before seeing it. I could tell many old school fans in the theater were shocked. I loved it.
There was no way they could have done that in a way that was satisfying for everyone. Don't use Tarkin, people would ask where he is. Recast him, people would complain about it. The way they did it was fantastic. Yes, it's a bit odd at first and the effects aren't quite there yet to make it completely life-like, but they managed to bring back a character that was much needed in this situation.
Tbh I think they should have just recast him. Some people would complain but it is better than that CGI monstrosity we got. I mean they did a good job technically it's just that it's impossible to CGI a person you know...
I agree. Considering it took them a year to make 9 minutes of of footage. I thought people were a little harsh. In an interview the director of Blade Runner 2049 explicitly told his team don’t do that. That is bad. But really if you look at that film they used low lighting to make it look amazing. Rogue One had Cushing in full light and interacting with the characters. 2049 had Harrison Ford looking at Sean Young for a minute maybe? 🤷♂️ I dunno again I think it’s a little harsh and I thought they did the best they could
This was Disney's best Star Wars movie. Credit to Gilroy for doing his job, and Edwards for knowing when to hire him for it. Rian Johnson never had the same courtesy for The Last Jedi.
Despite what people think about Last Jedi, Rian Johnson is a Star Wars fan inspired to direct by the originals, just as Gareth Edwards and JJ Abrams. Also, I would put some of the blame on Lucasfilm if you truly do not like the movie because everyone there was thoroughly supportive of Johnson. Similar to the Yes Man mentality found in the making of the prequel era films.
@@Argosh I agree with Solo. The Last Jedi wasn't that bad for me it admititly had problems like the Kantobite shut and it put JJ in a corner for ep.9 by killing Luke and Smoke before we even knew who he was, and Poe's story in the end was pointless. But I liked the last jedi where is just like to forget about Solo
@@McKeinMull meh. I find TLJ to be a badly scripted load of cinematic circle jerking. It's visually stunning but makes no sense, has no pacing and is just bad. It feels like the end of term project for the video club of a high school got to play with the expensive toys...
It still baffles me to this day that *the* best scene of Rogue One was shot in 3 fucking days, as just a throwaway scene. This is why I love Gareth Edwards. I really liked his debut movie Monsters, and when I learned the whole fucking movie was literally just improvised on the spot? Blew me away.
I do feel really bad for Edwards and his experience on making rogue one. Seeing how he's barely making his follow-up film 6 years after this film, I hope he has a better chance to show his complete vision.
Actually The Last Jedi improved on my second viewing because I finally saw some marginally scenes that were obscured in the first viewing by me turning to strangers and asking WTF is this we are watching. I now realize what Rian Johnson was trying to do and it made me EVEN sadder for the franchise when he so badly flubbed the implementation with brilliant cinematography of truly horrible script.
@@theroseexperience You're not helping to dispel the image of Rogue One fans as being popcorn munching dolts who love only nostalgic references and explosions.
@@LizardSpork Every single scene in Solo has more creativity, heart, wit, and fun than the entirety of Rogue One. Also, who talks about that hallway scene? Who talks about Rogue One in general? It has had very little pop cultural impact. Because, despite Darth Vader's lightsaber making fans' dicks explode, there's nothing that sticks with you about that movie. It has no soul.
what bar (edit: Not the ones you would think of when thinking of SW movies, but the one about being actually good, even without the ip)? It just did not care to do what the other Star Wars movies did, it was a movie that would have worked just by itself as well, and that is why I think it is so good. tfa and tlj kinda break SW in a way (new death star? seriously? hyperspace ramming? dafuq?!?) and solo simply was fan service for the sake of fan service and did not do anything to the character because the character development was undone off screen to get Han Solo as he is in ANH.
@ Well, it ain't the only one... Star Trek Discovery has the same issue, just not that bad (or worse?). Makes one wonder, how did anyone in the management (those should be people educated about marketing and knowledgeable about what makes certain ips popular) allow that to happen? What I meant is that it did not set any bar that one would have thought of or actively tried to. It just did not have to care about setting a bar but cared about being good. Who woulda thought that the spin off is better than any movie of the main trilogy? Nobody, and after tfa released only those that were super pissed about it just throwing up questions. Then R1 did not care to be a good Star Wars movie, if you look at what makes Star Wars good, you will not find a lot of it in there imho. However that might actually be what made R1 great. It is more inspired by war movies than by the other SW movies and in the end it is the only movie to really put the "Wars" into Star Wars.
An opinion not held by many of us who watched the original 3, upon first release in theaters, then would watch each of those dozens or hundreds more times. Have never even considered watching this a second time. Calling any Disney version "Star Wars" would be like calling a band " The Beatles" without any original members but they have the same roadies and recording engineer.
@@joelspaulding5964 My dad tells the story of seeing the original Star Wars on a whim opening day not knowing a thing about it because the movie they went to see was sold out. Needless to say he went back multiple times... and to this day never saw the movie they meant to see that day... Anyway my point is he says he loved Rogue One and puts it above anything else Disney produced as well as the prequels. But he loathes the prequels so thats not saying much lol. So I guess that means he puts it on the same field as the originals and he is an original SW fan so...
Meh, it probably is my favourite Star Wars outside of the original trilogy. I love how it clearly is made for an older audience. Showing how the story is much more complicated than Empire equals bad guys Rebels equal good guys. I love how they show how thin the line can be between terrorism and rebellion and how the different leaders are aware of how much they are in sort of a gray area when it comes to what's the right thing to do for civilians.
SNOOPALOOP Because it doesn’t follow continuity. let’s see, where to start? The opening crawl states that the Rebels had won their first victory, but rogue one show a complete and utter defeat. The method in which Princess Leia gets the Death Star plans; Darth Vader himself says clearly, “where are the transmissions you intercepted?” And later, “Don’t act so surprised your highness, you weren’t on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies.” Well, first, rogue one clearly shows that Leia’s ship didn’t intercept the transmission of the Death Star plans so the plans were never beamed to her ship. In addition, Darth Vader is telling us that Leia’s cover for being in the area of the transmission was being on a mercy mission, but there is no mercy mission in rogue one, for some convoluted reason Leia’s ship is hiding inside a Rebel Cruiser, not exactly a covert mission, is it? They might as well wear a sign saying “hey we’re Rebels. Come and chase us.” Also, the plans were not transmitted by Rebel spies, hell, the plans were not even stolen by Rebel spies. Darth Vader exclaims that he “traced the Rebel spies to her” how exactly? Pretty hard to do any detective work when everybody was vaporized into atoms. Next; the Death Star flying about and firing its weapon willy-nilly. Since the Imperial conference scene in A New Hope an officer exclaimed, “Until this battle station is fully operational we are vulnerable.” Later, a crewman reports to Tarkin, “the final check out is completed we are now operational. What course shall we set?” “Princess Leia, before your execution I would like you to join me in a ceremony that will make this battle station operational.” All of this tells me that the Death Star should not have been at scarif. In fact, it was stupid for it to be there in the first place considering that the Death Star is supposed to be a secret, and Leia gave no indication that she had seen the Death Star before or that she had already seen its fire power prior to the destruction of Alderaan, both of which she was present for in rogue one. Plus, I totally disagree with the decision to kill off everybody. In A New Hope there is no indication that the Rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans are either living or dead. Also, if they had all died then they would have been mentioned in A New Hope. Fallen soldiers often get a mention or a memorial, but they get nothing, in fact all of the credit goes to Leia. That means that something completely different had transpired than what was shown in rogue one. Jin gave a rousing speech to the Rebels informing them that there is definitely a weakness in the Death Star, however, Leia doesn’t seem privy to this information as she says, “I only hope that when the data is analyzed a weakness can be found.” So, it seems doubly weird that she would refer to the plans as Hope, so cringed and forced. Considering that the next thing she says is, “Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.”
@@peterkrochmalni673 Is continuity really your only problem? How about the story, dialogue, action sequences, and the way that it feels like a SW film?
Big Warmy The story probably could have been good if it had followed the continuity established in A New Hope maybe if they had followed the Expanded Universe that had everything already written and followed continuity far better than what was filmed. Dialogue, meh. Action sequences yeah the space battle was okay. More like a fan film with bad writing, poor script, lifeless and boring actors. And killing off all of the characters does not feel like a Star Wars story, there’s no reason to rewatch it. And the aforementioned continuity errors. So, basically rogue one is all visuals with no story, no characters, and no connection to the first movie.
@@peterkrochmalni673 Haha wow, you just sound bitter. I despise TLJ and didn't really like TFA, but Rogue One was a great Star Wars film in my opinion. It was gritty, like the originals. Its humor was done naturally through character traits, like the originals. The space battle was much closer to the originals than the other new films. Its story made sense, and they created some diverse (in personality) and interesting characters (even if they were short-lived). And it actually FELT like a Star Wars movie. Haven't felt that since I watched the originals as a child.
Revenge of the sith is better. This movie is only entertaining in the last third. Its still good, just not better than most sw films except both sequel movies to date
Bruh great cast, great cinematography, bringing back original characters without them feeling like plastic, and one of THE BEST Vader scenes in all of Star Wars. That’s what happened
I liked Solo wasn’t brilliant but still better than all the other prequels and post episode IV films, I rate rogue 1 up with the original films 77 to 81
@@doodemog For me, the new movies from least to greatest are: Rogue One Solo Episode 8 Episode 7 The Force Awakens will always be one of my favorite, not only cause I like it but it's the first SW movie I've watched in theaters. Episode 8 was about as good but I thought it could've been handled better in some scenes. Solo was a very good yet unnecessary film: loved the message, the execution and several other variables were very satisfying to see, I just didn't like all the references that were packed into it(kessel run, millennium Falcon, etc). Rogue One's first two acts were very interesting but at the same time underwhelming. I never got engaged with Jyn or the other characters and this watered down my overall experience. I was lit up like a boy when Vader showed up, and with Leia. Force Awakens 8/10 The Last Jedi 7-7.5/10 Solo 6-7/10 Rogue One 6
I loved this movie. Easily my favorite of the Disney Star Wars films, and maybe my second favorite overall behind Empire. And that Vader scene! We've all needed that for a long time.
You need to re-visit Solo, along with Rogue One it is easily the best film released in the Star Wars franchise since The Empire Strikes Back, has that feeling of being set within the same universe as 'A New Hope' perfectly.
@@garyfenlon5769 I think people got too offended by the L33t, the feminist robot. Personally, I liked her. NOW we know where the Millennium Falcon's computer got it's most unusual dialect! Sassy as fuck!
I don't know why people have to bring the whole "Feminist Agenda" into it, i view L3-37 the same as i view C3-PO, they are both sentient machines (or at least can mimic human behavior) and have picked up certain mannerisms from past owners, they are not human, they do not have a gender defined by sexual organs (as they have none) and i can't remember anybody ever championing or attacking C3-PO for his less than masculine mannerisms. In Solo, L3-37 only ever fights for droid equality, not just droids that are the same model as her or those that share the same views as her, ALL droid equality, a lesson we could all learn from.
Rogue One is a superb film. It’s an outstandingly beautiful piece of art. Poetically it’s fantastic. The characters are beautifully crafted and the film flows like a lovingly crafted operatic masterpiece. I love it.
Wow. Disney actually thought "Hey, let's get the guy who did After Earth and the guy who did Fantastic Four!"? Amazing that the movie turned out so well!
Rouge One is my favorite of the last 7 Star Wars films and far superior than The Last Jedi and Solo. Not knowing what Disney or anyone else was planning, I thought this was the style and artistic direction Star Wars was going and I was relieved and felt everything was going to be okay. Only if!
ROUGE ONE was the best STAR WARS movie since Empire Strikes Back IMO. Its easily one of the best Star Wars film every to be released. Whatever headaches and setbacks the studio endured the end result was magnificent.
@@perfectcell5613 Usually don't make a big deal out of spelling mistakes, but come on, you're PERFECT CELL. No mistakes, no flaws. Also R1 is easily better than any of the prequels, any of the other new Disney films, and Return of the Jedi. RotJ has too much dumb shit mixed in (e.g. Ewoks), though it's good, it's not as good.
I love Rogue One, I think it’s awesome, but I’d still really like to see Gareth Edward’s original cut. Maybe one day we’ll get a release a bit like Blade Runner or Alien 3 where the workprints are included.
At first, reading the title I thought this was a crack at Rogue One. Rogue One being up there as one of my favourite SW films, I thought - who is this person trying to dethrone this epic movie!?! But, after watching - thank you. Enjoyed every minute of your video. Well done.
And the Tie Silencer. And the black Shuttle. And the beach battle in paradise. And Blue Squadron. And a real life realization of the Hammerhead Corvette. So much to love.
@@PaulWagner1 I'm not trolling, seriouslly, i can't bear to understand why you would choose these movie over a new hope or return of the jedi for example
I must disagree with this, sadly: _Rogue One_ is full of cardboard characters (I cared more about the blind dude than Jyn, who's basically an emotionless flat cutout being used as a tool for most of the movie), makes Leia looks like a complete and utter moron (what was the _point_ of being with the fleet, and what was the point of lying to Vader?), makes _Vader_ looks like a complete (hunchbacked) moron (the only reason _Tantive IV_ was able to escape was because he wasted time standing dramatically in the dark corridor), and introduces several plot holes (like, for example, Rebels knowing about the weak point here, but being blissfully unaware of it in _A New Hope_ until the plans have been analyzed). And what was the deal with the telepathic octopus?
I actually have Rogue One and The Force Awakens higher than Return of the Jedi. But that's just because these were the first two Star Wars movies that I watched in the theater :)
I enjoyed it a lot, you can really feel the crushing hopeless feeling of the rebels and the overbearing power and control of the empire. Also after watching the older films, the newer cgi is welcome, as well you can really feel the scale of the world they created like none before. Plus that vader scene.
Roque One is the best of the new Star War films. Two people in my cinema actually walked out of The Last Jedi, they just didn’t come back half way through the movie. 😂
Oh and to add to that the music composer was fired in the middle of the production and a new one brought on board mere months before production was done, too. Complete mess of a film in the making process...yet an amazing movie as a result. Was it perfect? no. But still is the best SW movie ever done since the original trilogy days.
Imagine if this movie didn’t have as many problems as it had. It kinda reminds me of Episode 4, that movie was saved by editing, it was a complete mess before that.
I am so confused where the issue is with Rogue One? Like yeah, I can see that it had a troubled production, but it still turned out to be a great film so who cares?
Despite any issues this movie had, re-shoots, over editing, whatever.... I LOVE THIS MOVIE. The fan service that this movie gives us was 10x better then anything JJ did with TFA. Though the concept that Edwards started with is not the final version we got, I appreciate this movie and hope that one day we could get a script release of the original version. The dark, gritty, soldier in the trenches documentary version is a fantastic idea.
Rogue One is a great movie!! I remember first watching it on a flight(tired) and not really enjoying it. I'm glad I gave it another chance because I love it now!
Maybe you should think again and this time think about how rogue one lacks continuity with A New Hope. let’s see, where to start? The opening crawl states that the Rebels had won their first victory, but rogue one show a complete and utter defeat. The method in which Princess Leia gets the Death Star plans; Darth Vader himself says clearly, “where are the transmissions you intercepted?” And later, “Don’t act so surprised your highness, you weren’t on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies.” Well, first, rogue one clearly shows that Leia’s ship didn’t intercept the transmission of the Death Star plans so the plans were never beamed to her ship. In addition, Darth Vader is telling us that Leia’s cover for being in the area of the transmission was being on a mercy mission, but there is no mercy mission in rogue one, for some convoluted reason Leia’s ship is hiding inside a Rebel Cruiser, not exactly a covert mission, is it? They might as well wear a sign saying “hey we’re Rebels. Come and chase us.” Also, the plans were not transmitted by Rebel spies, hell, the plans were not even stolen by Rebel spies. Darth Vader exclaims that he “traced the Rebel spies to her” how exactly? Pretty hard to do any detective work when everybody was vaporized into atoms. Next; the Death Star flying about and firing its weapon willy-nilly. Since the Imperial conference scene in A New Hope an officer exclaimed, “Until this battle station is fully operational we are vulnerable.” Later, a crewman reports to Tarkin, “the final check out is completed we are now operational. What course shall we set?” “Princess Leia, before your execution I would like you to join me in a ceremony that will make this battle station operational.” All of this tells me that the Death Star should not have been at scarif. In fact, it was stupid for it to be there in the first place considering that the Death Star is supposed to be a secret, and Leia gave no indication that she had seen the Death Star before or that she had already seen its fire power prior to the destruction of Alderaan, both of which she was present for in rogue one. Plus, I totally disagree with the decision to kill off everybody. In A New Hope there is no indication that the Rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans are either living or dead. Also, if they had all died then they would have been mentioned in A New Hope. Fallen soldiers often get a mention or a memorial, but they get nothing, in fact all of the credit goes to Leia. That means that something completely different had transpired than what was shown in rogue one. Jin gave a rousing speech to the Rebels informing them that there is definitely a weakness in the Death Star, however, Leia doesn’t seem privy to this information as she says, “I only hope that when the data is analyzed a weakness can be found.” So, it seems doubly weird that she would refer to the plans as Hope, so cringed and forced. Considering that the next thing she says is, “Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.”
@@peterkrochmalni673 A random person proclaims enjoyment for a film and your response is to state "think again" like a parent telling off a child. Not gonna lie, your pettiness gave me a good chuckle.
I'd rather drop a cinder block on my bare foot than watch "TLJ". Then again ,TLJ could also be saved (for future viewings) with an edit. Get rid of Rose Tico. Entirely. Then, instead of Luke fighting Kylo at the end, have Anakin fight him AS VADER. Yes!!! Have the walkers open fire on robed Anakin. As the dust settles, a red blade emerges, wielded by ESB-era Vader (or better, McQuarrie-esque "Rebels"-era Vader). We'd forget all about Canto Bight, alien milk, Admiral Holdo, and Mary Poppins-Leia. Of course, Kylo would have to survive. Somehow. Maybe Luke could rescue him! Solved it. Get crackin', Disney!!!
DAVID MADDOX TLJ has some serious issues, Rose's whole deal you mentioned and all the subplots, but by golly that Anakin idea of yours is even dumber than what we ended up getting.
Very good production, thanks for the upload. I thought this was an excellent movie regardless, and it was a big shame that they did not include the initial trailer footage in the final cut, nevertheless, a superb film. For sure one of the best Star Wars movies and least cheesiest of them all.
Why do people always act like they hate it? It’s an amazing film. Amazing cinematography, acting, and plot. One of my favorite Star Wars films. And you cannot deny that the Vader scene was the best scene in all of Star Wars.
Yes, god knows we need to see what the Space Nazis are REALLY thinking. The only way a film like that would remotely work would be an imperial believer becoming disheartened and leaving the empire.
Fantastic movie, it made me actually care about the characters. No the film wasn't ”needed” as some people complain about. But it was fantastic none the less. The writers weren't afraid to take chances or immerse you in war. This was by far my favorite star wars movie. It made me laugh and cry and sad for the characters. Especially Cassian. The ending had me stobbing and still crying. Fantastic all and all.
@@mortenbrandtjensen6470 How were they badly executed? Ever heard of uncanny valley? The scenes were executed as well as it's technologycally possible.
I hesitated on watching this because I've had enough of people over-analyzing and over-criticizing Rogue One. It's not that people can't have their own opinions. If they don't like this film, that's fine. But there has been a push to hold this film to far too high a standard, a standard the same reviewers don't hold other movies to. RLM is the perfect example, where their review uses Return of the Jedi as an example of good filmmaking when that film, if held to the same standard, would not even begin to stand up. You point out where there were missteps while being fair. Well done with this analysis!
Still in my opinion the best of the new films.
Matt Perrin
Agreed. It felt like Star Wars the most.
Matt Perrin Absolutely true
That's like being the least painful punch in the nose.
Maybe on the first watch but honestly none of these movies have any quality on the rewatch.
EASILY the best of the new films.
Love Rogue One. Easily my favorite of the Disney Star Wars films thus far.
Agreed
I 100% agree. It's the only film since they took over I've watched more than once.
oh fuck off you simp
It is indeed the best of the Disney era films.
The entire cast was forgettable, but I loved the movie too...It felt like a "star wars" movie to me.
It had a great war theme."We're gonna take that hill or die in the attempt." And they all did. The mission is more important than the individuals.
I loved it because it felt like a war movie. It was Star Wars, but with a different feel to it. I enjoyed it a lot.
never will forget how the theatre BLEW UP when vader’s lightsaber started glowing in that hallway
So gay
Movie does have plenty of fan service. Nothing else though.
@@UrielX1212 That's the secret to a successful SW offering: watching our beloved characters at their prime doing something awesome. Nobody wants to see a bratty Darth Vader or decrepit Luke. Save your heart rending character developments/twists for the new characters.
@@LizardSpork Their prime was 30 years ago. Trying to resurrect them now is like going to the graveyard and attempting to resurrect the dead. The CGI reconstruction of Leia and Tarkin is just comical and highlights this fallacy. The Star Wars universe is tiny in that it seemingly cannot exist without characters developed back in those years gone by. They never did what they did in, say, Star Trek and create brand new characters in brand new places. Even the new failed prequel trilogy keeps trying to bring back the past. I mean for petes sake no one needs to see Carrier Fisher after years of cocaine abuse or Mark Hamill after years of...whatever the hell turned him into a toolshed. The problem is the Star Wars fans that get a hard on when some CGI piece of crap imitation of Darth Vader fires up a lightsaber. What a useless lot.
Rejecting most of the expanded universe has made Star Wars a dying husk of a franchise. The sequel tribology finished it off IMO although the Mandalorian has breathed a few embers into it (Of course they had to have fucking Luke Skywalker come back...Jesus Wept).
@@UrielX1212 I'm not saying Luke or Han are the only things people should want to see. The success of the Mandalorian isn't carried by Luke showing up at the end the same way R1 wasn't carried by Darth Vader hallway scene even if that turned out to be the most memorable (personally the Battle of Scariff was worth the price of admission alone and this was just the cherry on top).
You can call their presence pandering or fan service, I prefer to think of it as a tribute and a fitting one since they happened in the same time and aren't out of place. Hell a lot of the extended universe involve the main cast in one way or the other so a Rogue Squadron movie will include them tangentially anyway.
What made me love Rogue One.
1.Vader Scene of course.
2. Dark Gritty tone, blade runner-esque at some points.
3. Beautiful Cinematography
4. KOTOR inspired (K2-SO=HK-47 & the hammerhead)
5. Gary Whitta is awesome. (Kinda Funny Games YT on Wednesdays)
6. Donnie Yen
@@AlexCole272 7. DONNIE FUCKING YEN
@@SnoopyRC124 8. Also Donnie Yen + Jiang Wen. I'd totally watch a buddy movie with those two
Add kotor Rep ship the hammerhead
Stormtroopers killing rebels for me :)
God damn it! If that Vader hallway scene isn't crowd-pleasing done right, I don't know what is.
@@robolivieri9915 skeeted
I’ve wanted to see exactly that scene since 1977 ...
That was the only part I liked.
That was the most ominous scene featuring Darth Vader ever.
For sure. It made Vader scary again. That scene is practically a horror scene, shot like an axe-murderer just hacking his way through victims.
Terrifying.
I admit I cheered.
I also think Rogue One had the most realistic, believable special effects of any of the new SW movies. Not since the original trilogy have I had the impression of a real, lived-in world. If A New Hope had come out in 2016 instead of 1977, it would have looked like this.
Each of the prequels had more real sets and practical effect than any on OT movies. And prequels galaxy with massive galaxy wide republic in state of collape show far more realistic world than OT
@@michaelstark8720 What are you talking about? The prequels' effects look like they were from a mid-range SyFy miniseries. Time has not been kind to that CGI. Everything looked way too perfect and smooth; I don't know any other set of movies that screams "green screen" any louder, except for maybe those awful Hobbit movies.
@@valmarsiglia If this is your first time hearing about this, watch. You'll honestly be shocked....
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@@SomeHarbourBastard I don't care. They still look like ass. Nothing in them looks real.
@@valmarsigliaTwo words. Bull. Shit.
R1 is my second favorite. Its actually a war, it feels like a war, high stakes and all. People complained about the characters, but that scene when the rebels unite to stand up and fight I fully understood all the terrible things they had done and why doing some good would mean so much. Very underrated film to me
Nevertheless, Rogue One is the only Disney Star Wars movie that I actually liked.
agreed.
Would like, but it has 66.
For real
I liked solo as well, the force awakens was alright for me as well
*but for the others..*
I agree.
Rogue One is the only film that stands with the original trilogy imo. Whatever and however much of the film was re-done, it was absolutely worth it.
Definitely not lmao.
I agree one of the best. I enjoyed every moment. That Darth Vader scene made squeal. 😨
@@MyHazey That Vader scene is the reason that _Tantive IV_ was able to escape. And it makes Leia look like an idiot in _A New Hope,_ and it contradicts ANH novelisation. _Tantive IV_ wasn't supposed to be there, and _didn't_ need to be there.
I couldn't agree with you more so that begs the question what the hell is the purpose of this video
@@MyHazey If you liked that Darth Vader scene, you should watch this:
Star Wars SC 38 Reimagined - th-cam.com/video/to2SMng4u1k/w-d-xo.html
Fan made reimagening of the Darth / Obi fight from A New Hope ;)
I absolutely love Rogue One.. it's a phenomenal Star Wars film that now makes a New Hope even that much better. You can watch Rogue One and A New Hope as one long seamless film and it's fantastic.
@fat dork says the "fat dork"
Couldn't agree more.
I don't care about the behind-the-scenes turmoil - the end result is what counts and it is fantastic. Great story, great, relatable characters, wonderful acting, great chemistry, breathtaking effects and THE most awesome final scene in at least the past decade.
The amount of effort put in to make a coherent great movie speaks for Disney. Why they left the "main" saga to airheads like JarJar Abrams and Ruin Johnson is beyond me.
And don't forget - production of Star Wars was a complete mess. And then the movie made cinema history.
@@palimpalim5291 movie was useless and nothing happened
I did, it makes a new hope look jarringly dated tbh. but it does mesh well.
@Alex F what u smokin'?
It's the only one of the new films that gave me the same feeling as the originals, by far the best of all the new films, the fact that felicity jones is a way better actress than daisy ridley also helped, the cast in general was better in rogue one than the cast in the other new films.
Daisy Ridley is an actress? Who knew.
@@ghostlightx9005 she is
Solo was better.
@@pawelkwasowski8435 at least solo has better chemistry/dynamic between the character than r1
No doubt it's the best of the new films. It's only flaw was the Awful CGI of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher.
Even with all its flaws, R1 is the best SW movie Disney has offered so far
Liam L.E. Eh hardly
yes it is
yes
the last 15 minutes of this movie are some of the best sequencing in all cinema let alone the SW universe
@@opairsoft8100
Hardly? Which of the other Disney Star Wars movies is superior to Rogue One, and why?
As an OLD FAN I had been waiting for this type of Star Wars story for a while. Would love to see more like this!!!!
@Emilia Barzini it implies preference to the original trilogy, which can matter when comparing opinions. I see that, and I think they generally like 4-6 more than 1-3 (although some put 3 above 6) and 7-8 (with 7 somewhere between). Assuming similar taste in which SW movies are favored makes it more likely we'd have a similar reaction to RO as they would, if we've yet to see it.
@Emilia Barzini the fact that it's subjective is kinda the point though. If someone tells me TLJ and Solo were their favorite SW movies, I'm less likely to want to see their other favorites, as opposed to an "old fan" that likes Empire more. But that's just my take on it. Maybe rebelworks will have a different explanation for why it matters. Either way, I'm not sure why it was important enough to bring up in the first place. I was just explaining how it might relate to an opinion.
Me to man. R1 is ok but I love the classics way better.
Rosco P Coletrain does boss hog know you are here commenting?
@@Drkbardockssj Yes
Rogue One is my favorite of the new films. Not sure what the criticism is about.
Daniel Mills same
Have you ever heard the phrase 'damning with faint praise'
'Beating your wife is not as bad as murdering your wife'
'Murdering your wife is not as bad as murdering your wife and children'
No criticism, No visits to this channel. Pretty much the reason behind their existence. If you notice its starts with ads, so criticism pays.
My criticism starts with it really wasn't a needed story.
It ends with, holy fuck it's a great movie.
The first half was a little too slow is what I hear but the second half knocks it out of my sock for it to be to much of a problem .
I've watched this one a few times and it's easily my favorite Star Wars movie made after 1983. It has just about the same outfits and technologies as the original trilogy and it just makes sense. The technology in the prequels feels too advanced and the sequels have way too many plotholes and just doesn't make much sense.
As a big Star Wars fan, I was truly disappointed with episodes 7 and 8, even though I legit tried to like them. But Rogue One was absolutely amazing!
I loved the cinematics of 7 and 8, but Disney has completely ruined the story and has given us one that doesn't even come close to the Legacy of the Force series. Disney also got rid of 4-5 other amazing story arcs
WTF happened to Rogue One? It was AWESOME is wtf happened!
Absolutely 👍
You are 100% right
Damn straight!
Yes
Damn Right!
I liked the ending. It really highlighted how much was sacrificed to get those deathstar plans which ultimately helped Luke.
Not to mention it fit into the already established story line
Yeah, many Bothans died for these plans.
I feel like this movie became one of the best movies in the whole series. The ending is the only star wars ending that has actually made me cry...
Don't @ me
It broke the original movies fyi
EcnalKcin That's part of why I call it Episode 3.75. The ending being the beginning of Episode 4 makes it where it can't be 3.5.
Loved Rogue One. I actually cared about the characters in this movie.
Xarthos007 but can you name more than 3 Character names by memory?
@@jmatrix010 Jyn Erso, Director Krennic, Cassian Ordo, Chirrut Imwe
Bodhi, Saw Guerra, K2SO, Krennic, Tarkin, Leia, Mon Mothma, Galen Erso, Red5, Darth Vader, lol
@@Xarthos007 I forgot Bodhi's and Saw's names
How?
As a 32 year old, I feel with Rogue One I finally got “my” Star Wars film. I absolutely love this film and it is the only “NewAge” Star Wars worth a damn.
i agree :)
Hello Steve, hello DJoA
Steve i’m 35 and i have to say i feel the same. I’m still upset if i want to watch the original 3 i have to bust out my VHS tapes from a kid, because I can’t stand the special edition that has the changed music in jedi and added chi bullshit.
@Zend Avesta or any decent aged person knowing a typo from the need for a needless jab at a simple comment, eh?
Rogue One captured the true Star Wars feel imo. I felt the same way as as I did as an 18 yr old, back in 1977. I never cared for any of the newer Star Wars movies, probably thanks to Jar Jar et al.
WTF happened to Rogue One? It became the best Star Wars movie under a Disney production, that's what happened to it.
How deep our standards have fallen if we now call this “the best”....
@@computerscientist5953 exactly
There aren’t any characters in rogue one
Which is sad, seeing as how bland rogue one turned out
Easily the best Disney SW film. Not even close
Rogue One is a damn good Star Wars film...better than Force Awakens or Last Jedi by leap years!
yeah but still want to see the original cut.
I like how you used leap years instead of the usual light years. It's like making the Kessel Run in less than twelve parsecs.
Definitely not. The 3rd act was what made that movie good.
By Parsec's my good friend, by Parsec's
It's not a damn good star wars film. Characters barely have any arcs. Motivations are dull. Dialogue is a bit hammy at moments (maybe it is a homage to Lucas after all). The whole Scariff thing is a storytelling mess. But it is A star wars film and that can't be denied. So I absolutely love it. On the other hand, TFA brought nothing to the table, merely echoing other star wars films for easy emotional payoff and TLJ just did the opposite, shitting on everything held dear by fans to position itself as forward thinking and smart (spoiler: it's neither).
I loved this movie... 1000 times better than Force Awakens and The Last Jedi... Amazing cinematography and great acting and fits in perfectly with the original trilogy.
Agreed!!
Anything is better than TLJ.
It's like picking the best shit flavored Popsicle.
@@johnygreen81 Nah, Rogue One was genuinely a good movie. It gave me false hopes that the rest of the new Disney movies would be equally good.
Totally agree. What makes it great for me is that it’s a complete stand-alone experience. Perfect companion piece to the original trilogy (the only one that’s worth while). Also kudos to Harmy’s Despecialized Editions.
Whatever path the movie took to get there, the result was awesome.
There*
@@andreabarren9098 Thank you!
It was a nice surprise for me for sure.
Great movie. Some missed opportunities but still a thousand times better than the new trilogy.
#GOSPEL
Why is it better?
That Guy do you think Last Jedi worked as a plot? It’s hard work to make fantasy seem unreasonable in the lamest way possible. I’ll def give you my opinion when I have more time on why I specifically found rogue one to be wayyyy more satisfying a film than either of the new trilogy films.
@@rpfcreates4476 ok so it focuses on things that don't matter
Last Jedi? I know some people enjoy Johnson’s directorial choice to “do the opposite of what was expected” but at what cost lol. It’s not as though it had twists and surprises, it still did what was expected but in a boring way. Snoke was a massively wasted character. The choreography in the throne room fight had a lot of mistakes, which in this day and age is unforgivable. This isn’t 1970s cinema anymore. That opening scene was fraught with ridiculous choices by the characters. Luke’s arc was odd and shitty. Too many things didn’t connect from force awakens and last Jedi, or when they did the payoff was lackluster. As far as things that didn’t matter yes the side mission with finn and rose was torture and her absolutely silly crash into Finn and subsequent love speech felt so forced it was painful. Even if someone defends the reasons for all of these choices, in the end it’s a movie, it has to be entertaining in either and action sense or an emotional one. It was the first Star Wars movie I watched where I couldn’t get into any of it. Think about how insane and silly the entire plot was, running out of fuel? Chasing ships but can’t catch up? Not telling poe the plan and causing a mutiny that could’ve gotten everyone killed? Rogue one didn’t hit on every decision but I was intrigued the entire time. The desire to save a lost parent and understand why your life went the way it did is interesting. It has engaging characters that were true to their personalities. CGI and effects and battles were phenomenal. Those At At walkers roaming the beaches blew my mind. Even the Vader scene which can be called pandering was awesome. Again I understand it’s just opinion but it isn’t a coincidence that many people enjoyed rogue and mannyy people disliked last jedi. I’m just bummed out beyond belief bc they had a shot to bring an amazing story into focus in a new era while closing out the old characters in a unique way honoring their past. Instead we got what... a random person doing those just to do it. And the old characters not done justice. To each their own but not for me.
Rogue One is awesome. I never get tired of watching it.
I keep watching this on a regular basis 👍😃
I'm the 100th like!
I agree. First time I saw it I loved it, but it gets even better every time I watch it. It may have surpassed Empire Strikes back as my favorite film of the franchise. Or at least it's very close.
Rogue One: WTF happened to Star Wars AFTER This Movie? There I fixed the title.
Thank you for that.
Rian Johnson.
Except this came out AFTER the force gets woke. I hit the EJECT button halfway through that garbage pile. Star Wars is dead.
Agreed!
@@alexwells9577 bro the last jedi wasn't that bad.
Hey, the original star wars had horrible production issues and was fixed in the editing. Proof that if a director surrounds themselves with a quality team and knows when to step back they can still produce thr best possible.
Man, I love this movie. Through thick and thin
yeah me too, still want to see the original cut.
i never knew people did NOT like this movie, i love it and it's #2 after empire strikes back (of course). It's better than ALL of the current stuff that has come out...
@@richardedge5947 Nice to know such a well spoken Neanderthal defends such a clusteryuck of an abortion. Makes me feel good about thinking it is a Terd!
Great film, I’m sure some people didn’t like it, but most did.
Rogue One is the only good Disney Star Wars movie so far.
It looks set to stay that way too.
TheOneLichemperor sadly yes
After repeated viewings I think it actually stands up as one of the best Star Wars films. It's got all the tropes you want and the last 3rd is brilliant.
Not sure why people keep bitching about raising Peter Cushing from the dead. I thought they did a really good job.
It wasn't perfect, but it was risky, and I think it paid off. I had no knowledge that he was in the movie before seeing it. I could tell many old school fans in the theater were shocked. I loved it.
There was no way they could have done that in a way that was satisfying for everyone. Don't use Tarkin, people would ask where he is. Recast him, people would complain about it. The way they did it was fantastic. Yes, it's a bit odd at first and the effects aren't quite there yet to make it completely life-like, but they managed to bring back a character that was much needed in this situation.
Tbh I think they should have just recast him. Some people would complain but it is better than that CGI monstrosity we got. I mean they did a good job technically it's just that it's impossible to CGI a person you know...
This CGI really made the movie. He was so mean and cunning. Loved it!
I agree. Considering it took them a year to make 9 minutes of of footage. I thought people were a little harsh. In an interview the director of Blade Runner 2049 explicitly told his team don’t do that. That is bad. But really if you look at that film they used low lighting to make it look amazing. Rogue One had Cushing in full light and interacting with the characters. 2049 had Harrison Ford looking at Sean Young for a minute maybe? 🤷♂️ I dunno again I think it’s a little harsh and I thought they did the best they could
This was Disney's best Star Wars movie.
Credit to Gilroy for doing his job, and Edwards for knowing when to hire him for it.
Rian Johnson never had the same courtesy for The Last Jedi.
Los Time Rian Johnson is a fucking idiot! Never should have gotten the directing job
Rian Johnson is a piece of shit, I hope he doesn't get his trilogy that Disney promised him. I hope the rise of Skywalker fixes Rian Johnson mess.
Despite what people think about Last Jedi, Rian Johnson is a Star Wars fan inspired to direct by the originals, just as Gareth Edwards and JJ Abrams. Also, I would put some of the blame on Lucasfilm if you truly do not like the movie because everyone there was thoroughly supportive of Johnson. Similar to the Yes Man mentality found in the making of the prequel era films.
Well Rogue One was Good because They Had an Original Star Wars Writer Duahhh!!!!! This Felt Like An Original Star Wars Film Hands Down.
Division Six so did Episode XII and Solo
Well so did Solo and that wasn't enough to save it ya know?
@@McKeinMull Solo died with episode 8.
@@Argosh I agree with Solo. The Last Jedi wasn't that bad for me it admititly had problems like the Kantobite shut and it put JJ in a corner for ep.9 by killing Luke and Smoke before we even knew who he was, and Poe's story in the end was pointless. But I liked the last jedi where is just like to forget about Solo
@@McKeinMull meh. I find TLJ to be a badly scripted load of cinematic circle jerking. It's visually stunning but makes no sense, has no pacing and is just bad. It feels like the end of term project for the video club of a high school got to play with the expensive toys...
As a non Star Wars fan I really enjoyed Rouge One. The characters and how this really feels like a war with many intense moments.
There's no movie called Rouge One.
@@andymiller6661tbf I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a rogue one porn parody called rouge one 😅
It still baffles me to this day that *the* best scene of Rogue One was shot in 3 fucking days, as just a throwaway scene.
This is why I love Gareth Edwards. I really liked his debut movie Monsters, and when I learned the whole fucking movie was literally just improvised on the spot? Blew me away.
I do feel really bad for Edwards and his experience on making rogue one. Seeing how he's barely making his follow-up film 6 years after this film, I hope he has a better chance to show his complete vision.
Rogue one is far and away the best of the new star wars movies. It's the only one that stands up to repeat viewing.
Amen. The other movies suck ass in repeated viewings.
I fail to see how it's any better than the crap that came before or after it.
@RN1441 You are one with the force, and the force is with you.
Actually The Last Jedi improved on my second viewing because I finally saw some marginally scenes that were obscured in the first viewing by me turning to strangers and asking WTF is this we are watching. I now realize what Rian Johnson was trying to do and it made me EVEN sadder for the franchise when he so badly flubbed the implementation with brilliant cinematography of truly horrible script.
Actually, Last Jedi is good for drinking games and "comedy" viewings where drunk friends shout abuse at the screen.
Troubled production but it turned out to be a great movie still!
Agree. I wish the SW movies under Dianey had been better. Rouge one is the only one I've liked.
Rogue One is an incredible film and by far the best of the new Star Wars stuff.
... its the most boring one in the franchise, boring characters, boring lead, having a million explosions does not redeem how bad it is.
@@88feji No
@@88feji Name one scene in Solo or the sequels that are as memorable and talked about (positively) as the hallway scene from R1.
@@theroseexperience You're not helping to dispel the image of Rogue One fans as being popcorn munching dolts who love only nostalgic references and explosions.
@@LizardSpork Every single scene in Solo has more creativity, heart, wit, and fun than the entirety of Rogue One. Also, who talks about that hallway scene? Who talks about Rogue One in general? It has had very little pop cultural impact. Because, despite Darth Vader's lightsaber making fans' dicks explode, there's nothing that sticks with you about that movie. It has no soul.
16:28 has felt to me an underrated moment in the film and a return to the original trilogy concept of the Force.
Rogue One has set a new bar that hasn't been met by several Star Wars films.
what bar (edit: Not the ones you would think of when thinking of SW movies, but the one about being actually good, even without the ip)? It just did not care to do what the other Star Wars movies did, it was a movie that would have worked just by itself as well, and that is why I think it is so good. tfa and tlj kinda break SW in a way (new death star? seriously? hyperspace ramming? dafuq?!?) and solo simply was fan service for the sake of fan service and did not do anything to the character because the character development was undone off screen to get Han Solo as he is in ANH.
@ Well, it ain't the only one... Star Trek Discovery has the same issue, just not that bad (or worse?). Makes one wonder, how did anyone in the management (those should be people educated about marketing and knowledgeable about what makes certain ips popular) allow that to happen?
What I meant is that it did not set any bar that one would have thought of or actively tried to. It just did not have to care about setting a bar but cared about being good.
Who woulda thought that the spin off is better than any movie of the main trilogy? Nobody, and after tfa released only those that were super pissed about it just throwing up questions. Then R1 did not care to be a good Star Wars movie, if you look at what makes Star Wars good, you will not find a lot of it in there imho. However that might actually be what made R1 great. It is more inspired by war movies than by the other SW movies and in the end it is the only movie to really put the "Wars" into Star Wars.
This movie is one of the best in the series.a real prequel right on the same level as the original three.
An opinion not held by many of us who watched the original 3, upon first release in theaters, then would watch each of those dozens or hundreds more times.
Have never even considered watching this a second time.
Calling any Disney version "Star Wars" would be like calling a band " The Beatles" without any original members but they have the same roadies and recording engineer.
Walk Robot A real prequel that doesn’t fall in line with the continuity of the next movie that’s supposed to follow?
@@peterkrochmalni673 what
@@joelspaulding5964 My dad tells the story of seeing the original Star Wars on a whim opening day not knowing a thing about it because the movie they went to see was sold out. Needless to say he went back multiple times... and to this day never saw the movie they meant to see that day... Anyway my point is he says he loved Rogue One and puts it above anything else Disney produced as well as the prequels. But he loathes the prequels so thats not saying much lol. So I guess that means he puts it on the same field as the originals and he is an original SW fan so...
I agree 100 percent!!!!
Meh, it probably is my favourite Star Wars outside of the original trilogy. I love how it clearly is made for an older audience. Showing how the story is much more complicated than Empire equals bad guys Rebels equal good guys. I love how they show how thin the line can be between terrorism and rebellion and how the different leaders are aware of how much they are in sort of a gray area when it comes to what's the right thing to do for civilians.
Rogue One is easily my favorite Star Wars film
Edward Silha agreed. I don’t know how people don’t like it.
SNOOPALOOP Because it doesn’t follow continuity.
let’s see, where to start?
The opening crawl states that the Rebels had won their first victory, but rogue one show a complete and utter defeat.
The method in which Princess Leia gets the Death Star plans; Darth Vader himself says clearly, “where are the transmissions you intercepted?” And later, “Don’t act so surprised your highness, you weren’t on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies.” Well, first, rogue one clearly shows that Leia’s ship didn’t intercept the transmission of the Death Star plans so the plans were never beamed to her ship. In addition, Darth Vader is telling us that Leia’s cover for being in the area of the transmission was being on a mercy mission, but there is no mercy mission in rogue one, for some convoluted reason Leia’s ship is hiding inside a Rebel Cruiser, not exactly a covert mission, is it? They might as well wear a sign saying “hey we’re Rebels. Come and chase us.”
Also, the plans were not transmitted by Rebel spies, hell, the plans were not even stolen by Rebel spies.
Darth Vader exclaims that he “traced the Rebel spies to her” how exactly? Pretty hard to do any detective work when everybody was vaporized into atoms.
Next; the Death Star flying about and firing its weapon willy-nilly. Since the Imperial conference scene in A New Hope an officer exclaimed, “Until this battle station is fully operational we are vulnerable.” Later, a crewman reports to Tarkin, “the final check out is completed we are now operational. What course shall we set?”
“Princess Leia, before your execution I would like you to join me in a ceremony that will make this battle station operational.” All of this tells me that the Death Star should not have been at scarif. In fact, it was stupid for it to be there in the first place considering that the Death Star is supposed to be a secret, and Leia gave no indication that she had seen the Death Star before or that she had already seen its fire power prior to the destruction of Alderaan, both of which she was present for in rogue one.
Plus, I totally disagree with the decision to kill off everybody. In A New Hope there is no indication that the Rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans are either living or dead. Also, if they had all died then they would have been mentioned in A New Hope. Fallen soldiers often get a mention or a memorial, but they get nothing, in fact all of the credit goes to Leia. That means that something completely different had transpired than what was shown in rogue one.
Jin gave a rousing speech to the Rebels informing them that there is definitely a weakness in the Death Star, however, Leia doesn’t seem privy to this information as she says, “I only hope that when the data is analyzed a weakness can be found.” So, it seems doubly weird that she would refer to the plans as Hope, so cringed and forced. Considering that the next thing she says is, “Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.”
@@peterkrochmalni673 Is continuity really your only problem? How about the story, dialogue, action sequences, and the way that it feels like a SW film?
Big Warmy The story probably could have been good if it had followed the continuity established in A New Hope maybe if they had followed the Expanded Universe that had everything already written and followed continuity far better than what was filmed.
Dialogue, meh.
Action sequences yeah the space battle was okay.
More like a fan film with bad writing, poor script, lifeless and boring actors. And killing off all of the characters does not feel like a Star Wars story, there’s no reason to rewatch it.
And the aforementioned continuity errors.
So, basically rogue one is all visuals with no story, no characters, and no connection to the first movie.
@@peterkrochmalni673 Haha wow, you just sound bitter. I despise TLJ and didn't really like TFA, but Rogue One was a great Star Wars film in my opinion. It was gritty, like the originals. Its humor was done naturally through character traits, like the originals. The space battle was much closer to the originals than the other new films. Its story made sense, and they created some diverse (in personality) and interesting characters (even if they were short-lived).
And it actually FELT like a Star Wars movie. Haven't felt that since I watched the originals as a child.
WTF happened to Rogue One? It’s the best Star Wars movie apart from the original story ever made. That’s what.
Billy Branch
Why you all cry weirdo shit here, old movie now....Great movie!
why more TH-cam content? went mad? mad channel?
Revenge of the sith is better. This movie is only entertaining in the last third. Its still good, just not better than most sw films except both sequel movies to date
Nope The Force Awakens was better but I did like Rogue One
VizZzion not even close, force awakens was like a shitty combo of the og trilogy with nothing good aside from Han Chewie and leia
I've seen better.
I absolutely love this film. After Empire its probably second on my list.
Exactly my feelings, great movie
Bruh great cast, great cinematography, bringing back original characters without them feeling like plastic, and one of THE BEST Vader scenes in all of Star Wars. That’s what happened
Best new Star Wars film by far
That's not saying much.
Only good one by a wide margin. Solo has huge issues but it's a fun watch. TFA is lazy and TLJ is lazy, nonsensical and unwatchable.
@@eunit8899
Waaahhh. Here's some lemon juice for your bitter wound. 🍋🍋
I liked Solo wasn’t brilliant but still better than all the other prequels and post episode IV films, I rate rogue 1 up with the original films 77 to 81
@@doodemog
For me, the new movies from least to greatest are:
Rogue One
Solo
Episode 8
Episode 7
The Force Awakens will always be one of my favorite, not only cause I like it but it's the first SW movie I've watched in theaters. Episode 8 was about as good but I thought it could've been handled better in some scenes. Solo was a very good yet unnecessary film: loved the message, the execution and several other variables were very satisfying to see, I just didn't like all the references that were packed into it(kessel run, millennium Falcon, etc). Rogue One's first two acts were very interesting but at the same time underwhelming. I never got engaged with Jyn or the other characters and this watered down my overall experience. I was lit up like a boy when Vader showed up, and with Leia.
Force Awakens 8/10
The Last Jedi 7-7.5/10
Solo 6-7/10
Rogue One 6
I loved this movie. Easily my favorite of the Disney Star Wars films, and maybe my second favorite overall behind Empire. And that Vader scene! We've all needed that for a long time.
I would argue episode 3 for second place than empire for first........rogue one in third place.
I would argue that rogue one is definitely in 1st place
Rogue One is the only Disney film that I still like. I stand by what I said about that third act being awesome. I wish I could same about the others.
You need to re-visit Solo, along with Rogue One it is easily the best film released in the Star Wars franchise since The Empire Strikes Back, has that feeling of being set within the same universe as 'A New Hope' perfectly.
@@garyfenlon5769 I think people got too offended by the L33t, the feminist robot. Personally, I liked her. NOW we know where the Millennium Falcon's computer got it's most unusual dialect! Sassy as fuck!
BlackEpyon I didn’t find her offensive, or even that feminist. I just found her annoying. It’s great that you guys enjoy Solo. But I found it boring.
I don't know why people have to bring the whole "Feminist Agenda" into it, i view L3-37 the same as i view C3-PO, they are both sentient machines (or at least can mimic human behavior) and have picked up certain mannerisms from past owners, they are not human, they do not have a gender defined by sexual organs (as they have none) and i can't remember anybody ever championing or attacking C3-PO for his less than masculine mannerisms. In Solo, L3-37 only ever fights for droid equality, not just droids that are the same model as her or those that share the same views as her, ALL droid equality, a lesson we could all learn from.
@@garyfenlon5769 it's c-3po, not c3-po
Rogue One is a superb film. It’s an outstandingly beautiful piece of art. Poetically it’s fantastic. The characters are beautifully crafted and the film flows like a lovingly crafted operatic masterpiece. I love it.
One of my favorite Star Wars films.
Wow. Disney actually thought "Hey, let's get the guy who did After Earth and the guy who did Fantastic Four!"? Amazing that the movie turned out so well!
Lmao so true glad it worked out though!
And then they go and hire the hack who ruined Godzilla.
I'm surprised there isn't a character named Cypher Rage 'DENIED !! SIT DOWN !!'.
@@antisora13 Godzilla is good godzilla movies.
Josh Trank who directed the FF reboot was not involved with this. He was set to direct another of the anthology films but was yanked.
Rogue One was the only new SW film that FELT like Star Wars. The rest were just shit with star wars branding plastered all over them.
Rouge One is my favorite of the last 7 Star Wars films and far superior than The Last Jedi and Solo. Not knowing what Disney or anyone else was planning, I thought this was the style and artistic direction Star Wars was going and I was relieved and felt everything was going to be okay. Only if!
For all it’s flaws, the story made you feel something where episode 7, 8 and Solo just don’t make me care about anything
Solo and 7 are alright
@@orbaitv5991 Yeah, i agree!
7/8 and soooo low at the box office all make me appreciate the holiday special. :/ Rogue one was good though.
ROUGE ONE was the best STAR WARS movie since Empire Strikes Back IMO. Its easily one of the best Star Wars film every to be released. Whatever headaches and setbacks the studio endured the end result was magnificent.
@@perfectcell5613 Usually don't make a big deal out of spelling mistakes, but come on, you're PERFECT CELL. No mistakes, no flaws.
Also R1 is easily better than any of the prequels, any of the other new Disney films, and Return of the Jedi. RotJ has too much dumb shit mixed in (e.g. Ewoks), though it's good, it's not as good.
I love Rogue One, I think it’s awesome, but I’d still really like to see Gareth Edward’s original cut. Maybe one day we’ll get a release a bit like Blade Runner or Alien 3 where the workprints are included.
That editor that added that final Vader scene is the reason Rogue 1 is my fav Star Wars film.
Editor? Thats not how movies get made hahaha
@@serwinzzalot9989 ahahaha true
And now it is a meme. Anyone who gets to portray a Jedi/Sith is now going to ask, "Do I get a hallway scene?"
At first, reading the title I thought this was a crack at Rogue One. Rogue One being up there as one of my favourite SW films, I thought - who is this person trying to dethrone this epic movie!?! But, after watching - thank you. Enjoyed every minute of your video. Well done.
Whatever happened in the production, the final product was masterful. Easily my favourite of all the Star Wars, both new and old.
R1 gave me one of the best thing in Star Wars, the Death Trooper.
And the Tie Silencer. And the black Shuttle. And the beach battle in paradise. And Blue Squadron. And a real life realization of the Hammerhead Corvette. So much to love.
This is actually my favorite Star Wars movie outside of Empire.
Agree it was badass
Wow, you have absolutly no idea about star wars
@@crinson9191 I'm so disappointed that I don't have the laughing emoticon handy at the moment, but then I thought, "Why waste my time on a troll?"
@@PaulWagner1 I'm not trolling, seriouslly, i can't bear to understand why you would choose these movie over a new hope or return of the jedi for example
Why is Empire better than Rogue One?
Rouge One is only correct, modern Star Wars film and reasonable movie on its own right.
Piotr: It lies.
I must disagree with this, sadly: _Rogue One_ is full of cardboard characters (I cared more about the blind dude than Jyn, who's basically an emotionless flat cutout being used as a tool for most of the movie), makes Leia looks like a complete and utter moron (what was the _point_ of being with the fleet, and what was the point of lying to Vader?), makes _Vader_ looks like a complete (hunchbacked) moron (the only reason _Tantive IV_ was able to escape was because he wasted time standing dramatically in the dark corridor), and introduces several plot holes (like, for example, Rebels knowing about the weak point here, but being blissfully unaware of it in _A New Hope_ until the plans have been analyzed).
And what was the deal with the telepathic octopus?
Rouge One was dirty and grity the way star wars was always supposed to be. It gave the same dark space feelings as the original trilogy.
One of the best SW movies up there with the original trilogy 1. ESB 2. ANH 3. ROTJ 4. RO
I actually have Rogue One and The Force Awakens higher than Return of the Jedi. But that's just because these were the first two Star Wars movies that I watched in the theater :)
@Mike Morgan LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's the same order that I would put them in....and to continue the list: 5. ROTS 6. AOTC 7. PM 8. Star Wars Christmas Special...
I enjoyed it a lot, you can really feel the crushing hopeless feeling of the rebels and the overbearing power and control of the empire. Also after watching the older films, the newer cgi is welcome, as well you can really feel the scale of the world they created like none before.
Plus that vader scene.
Rogue One was good
Play That Again Bruh Sorry, it was terrible.
@@peterkrochmalni673 it was the best I've seen from the Disney Star Wars
Play That Again Bruh Then you should watch Solo instead.
@@peterkrochmalni673 Solo was the 2nd best imo ...both of the anthology films are better than the current trilogy right now
Sucked ass.
Rogue one is the best Disney star wars movie..!
No doubt. Best ending
This movie was great in all aspects
Good or bad, when I'm going into a scary situation I'll always find myself Saying "I'm One With The Force. The Force Is With Me"
Roque One is the best of the new Star War films.
Two people in my cinema actually walked out of The Last Jedi, they just didn’t come back half way through the movie. 😂
Nothing wrong with this movie. One of the best Star Wars movies.
Oh and to add to that the music composer was fired in the middle of the production and a new one brought on board mere months before production was done, too.
Complete mess of a film in the making process...yet an amazing movie as a result. Was it perfect? no. But still is the best SW movie ever done since the original trilogy days.
Imagine if this movie didn’t have as many problems as it had. It kinda reminds me of Episode 4, that movie was saved by editing, it was a complete mess before that.
I am so confused where the issue is with Rogue One? Like yeah, I can see that it had a troubled production, but it still turned out to be a great film so who cares?
oohgoditsbees that’s the point of these videos,there not supposed to be calling them bad movies
Despite any issues this movie had, re-shoots, over editing, whatever.... I LOVE THIS MOVIE.
The fan service that this movie gives us was 10x better then anything JJ did with TFA.
Though the concept that Edwards started with is not the final version we got, I appreciate this movie and hope that one day we could get a script release of the original version.
The dark, gritty, soldier in the trenches documentary version is a fantastic idea.
fuck fan service (fan since 1991)
Rogue One is a great movie!! I remember first watching it on a flight(tired) and not really enjoying it. I'm glad I gave it another chance because I love it now!
Maybe you should think again and this time think about how rogue one lacks continuity with A New Hope.
let’s see, where to start?
The opening crawl states that the Rebels had won their first victory, but rogue one show a complete and utter defeat.
The method in which Princess Leia gets the Death Star plans; Darth Vader himself says clearly, “where are the transmissions you intercepted?” And later, “Don’t act so surprised your highness, you weren’t on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by Rebel spies.” Well, first, rogue one clearly shows that Leia’s ship didn’t intercept the transmission of the Death Star plans so the plans were never beamed to her ship. In addition, Darth Vader is telling us that Leia’s cover for being in the area of the transmission was being on a mercy mission, but there is no mercy mission in rogue one, for some convoluted reason Leia’s ship is hiding inside a Rebel Cruiser, not exactly a covert mission, is it? They might as well wear a sign saying “hey we’re Rebels. Come and chase us.”
Also, the plans were not transmitted by Rebel spies, hell, the plans were not even stolen by Rebel spies.
Darth Vader exclaims that he “traced the Rebel spies to her” how exactly? Pretty hard to do any detective work when everybody was vaporized into atoms.
Next; the Death Star flying about and firing its weapon willy-nilly. Since the Imperial conference scene in A New Hope an officer exclaimed, “Until this battle station is fully operational we are vulnerable.” Later, a crewman reports to Tarkin, “the final check out is completed we are now operational. What course shall we set?”
“Princess Leia, before your execution I would like you to join me in a ceremony that will make this battle station operational.” All of this tells me that the Death Star should not have been at scarif. In fact, it was stupid for it to be there in the first place considering that the Death Star is supposed to be a secret, and Leia gave no indication that she had seen the Death Star before or that she had already seen its fire power prior to the destruction of Alderaan, both of which she was present for in rogue one.
Plus, I totally disagree with the decision to kill off everybody. In A New Hope there is no indication that the Rebel spies who stole the Death Star plans are either living or dead. Also, if they had all died then they would have been mentioned in A New Hope. Fallen soldiers often get a mention or a memorial, but they get nothing, in fact all of the credit goes to Leia. That means that something completely different had transpired than what was shown in rogue one.
Jin gave a rousing speech to the Rebels informing them that there is definitely a weakness in the Death Star, however, Leia doesn’t seem privy to this information as she says, “I only hope that when the data is analyzed a weakness can be found.” So, it seems doubly weird that she would refer to the plans as Hope, so cringed and forced. Considering that the next thing she says is, “Help me, Obi-wan Kenobi. You’re my only hope.”
@@peterkrochmalni673 a new hope sucks they should delete it
Cuttlefish bite your tongue.
@@peterkrochmalni673 A random person proclaims enjoyment for a film and your response is to state "think again" like a parent telling off a child. Not gonna lie, your pettiness gave me a good chuckle.
Kevin Fowler A mere suggestion to re-evaluate a film based on the lack of continuity with the proceeding film.
Ild rather watch rogue one twice then the last Jedi once.
I agree
"than."
Not to be a grammar Nazi, but "then" implies you want to watch TLJ after watching Rogue One. I personally would rather not watch TLJ at all.
@@ryanaegis3544 "not to be a grammar Nazi, buuuut..."
*Proceeds to be a grammar Nazi.* 😂
I'd rather drop a cinder block on my bare foot than watch "TLJ". Then again ,TLJ could also be saved (for future viewings) with an edit. Get rid of Rose Tico. Entirely. Then, instead of Luke fighting Kylo at the end, have Anakin fight him AS VADER. Yes!!! Have the walkers open fire on robed Anakin. As the dust settles, a red blade emerges, wielded by ESB-era Vader (or better, McQuarrie-esque "Rebels"-era Vader). We'd forget all about Canto Bight, alien milk, Admiral Holdo, and Mary Poppins-Leia. Of course, Kylo would have to survive. Somehow. Maybe Luke could rescue him! Solved it. Get crackin', Disney!!!
DAVID MADDOX TLJ has some serious issues, Rose's whole deal you mentioned and all the subplots, but by golly that Anakin idea of yours is even dumber than what we ended up getting.
Very good production, thanks for the upload. I thought this was an excellent movie regardless, and it was a big shame that they did not include the initial trailer footage in the final cut, nevertheless, a superb film. For sure one of the best Star Wars movies and least cheesiest of them all.
I gotta watch that Vader scene on TH-cam again after seeing this video....
Ditto! Lol
Why do people always act like they hate it? It’s an amazing film. Amazing cinematography, acting, and plot. One of my favorite Star Wars films. And you cannot deny that the Vader scene was the best scene in all of Star Wars.
Friggin Johnson gets his own trilogy while with Rogue One Edwards clearly proved he new what Star Wars is about.. WTF is wrong with this world..
Because Johnson is better
Is Disney still going through with a Johnson trilogy, or has there been enough backlash yet to get him canned?
Lord EdgeBoi I hope you are being sarcastic
Ryan Aegis I wonder what it takes..
@@ryanaegis3544 Yep, I think J.J. Abrams has now the horrible job to clean up the Johnson mess. :-D
I loved Rogue One. It is easily one of my favorite films so far.
On another note: THAT was a really well put together video.
I wish they could make a starwars movie from the imperial perspective
Check out the newer Thrawn books by Timothy Zahn. They're damn good (2 out now, 3rd out this year)
There's an idea. I would watch that.
Yes, god knows we need to see what the Space Nazis are REALLY thinking.
The only way a film like that would remotely work would be an imperial believer becoming disheartened and leaving the empire.
Yes
@@asmallcat Even better!
Don't get me wrong. I loved Rogue One, but it was the Jyn Erso vs TIE Fighter scene that made me go see it.
Fantastic movie, it made me actually care about the characters. No the film wasn't ”needed” as some people complain about. But it was fantastic none the less. The writers weren't afraid to take chances or immerse you in war. This was by far my favorite star wars movie. It made me laugh and cry and sad for the characters. Especially Cassian. The ending had me stobbing and still crying. Fantastic all and all.
For me this film answered a lot of questions and tied things together. One of the best.
Rogue one is the best SW movie out all the new they released.
GREAT Vid!! Rogue One continues to grow on me after repeated viewings. The others, well, not so much
Good point. An empty, lazy movie like TFA is entertaining the first time. But if you rewatch it, you start noticing how stupid it is.
I absolute *loved* Rogue One. In my opinion, it is absolutely the best Star Wars movie.
Look man, the only thing Rouge One had going for it was that it was an amazing Start Wars movie.
By far the best movie out of the new films
After empire it’s my favorite Star Wars film, it’s a masterpiece.
I can agree. Its definitely better than Return of the Jedi.
I loved Rogue One, but I do wish that TIE Fighter scene was included...talk about scary AF
Way too much hating on the Tarkin and Leia CGI scenes. They were absolutely amazing and warranted.
But badly executed. Ethics have nothing to do with it.
@@mortenbrandtjensen6470
How were they badly executed? Ever heard of uncanny valley? The scenes were executed as well as it's technologycally possible.
Loved the movie.
Bring Edwards back Disney. Yeah he made mistakes, however, he’s made the closest SW since the original trilogy.
I hesitated on watching this because I've had enough of people over-analyzing and over-criticizing Rogue One. It's not that people can't have their own opinions. If they don't like this film, that's fine. But there has been a push to hold this film to far too high a standard, a standard the same reviewers don't hold other movies to. RLM is the perfect example, where their review uses Return of the Jedi as an example of good filmmaking when that film, if held to the same standard, would not even begin to stand up. You point out where there were missteps while being fair. Well done with this analysis!