The “my truth your truth” worldview has only gotten more disturbing in the last 5 years. I see in this young man, who’s most likely graduated at this point, that narrative playing out. I hope he’s found the Truth in Jesus. I am in no way perfect in this manner, yet I want to point out; the pride of not being able to follow truth where it leads. This young man was caught in that trap from start to finish unfortunately. I know Cliff in most cases is wanting to have a deep conversation not a debate. Many students think that disagreements must be handled in the form of debate; who can strong arm the other? Who’s got the best ‘gotcha question’? And this is certainly a product of the public education system, to have a visceral response to information that contradicts one’s preconceptions. This is something I’ve been trying to unravel; how do we speak through people’s pride? The only thing I can think of is how the Holy Spirit handles me in my pride: with abounding patience and endless love. And I think my question has been answered haha
6:00 this dude is LITERALLY INSANE. How did he get in this college btw? Sry this is not even remotely normal this “if we believe we can do anything”, this is nuts. He’s treating Christ like our purpose was to attain super powers, not die for humanity’s sins.
@@bryantfernandez393 just so you know from the Old Testament we are in a sense All Sons and Daughters of God because we're all children of God were grafted in will not send the guard away to Jesus was because Jesus is also God he had both Divinity and Humanity. We are however, part of the family unless we choose not to be are you all right we're not Sons and Daughters of God in the way that he me and the young man. conveyed.
@@bryantfernandez393 We can only do what Jesus does (and 'greater works') by faith in God and in Christ. If the object of our faith is something lesser, it will ultimately fail us. The miraculous/ supernatural is evident in several religions but not to the degree that Christ exercised in his ultimate authority. Also, Jesus is the Son of God, because he is the eternal expression of God's nature that came out from Him as he spoke at the beginning of creation (see John ch. 1).
@@bryantfernandez393 when he said everything that I can do you can do he was addressing the disciples and how they would prove that Jesus was here by doing miracles and being able to speak in their language. We are All sons and daughters of God if we believe in Jesus Christ as God and God the Father. Unbelievers are not daughters and sons of God. It's metaphorical.
Pastor Cliffs thank you for your videos, it helps me learn how to respond to people out in the field. I have a question though. You mentioned about approval. according to scripture we are only approved of God THROUGH Jesus right? Maybe I misunderstood. but did you say God approves of us before that point. you said He doesn't approve of our sin bit He approves of us. I don't believe the Bible says anything about God's approval of us BEFORE being born again. He only approves of us IN Christ Jesus. He undoubtedly loves us and wants us to come out from under His wrath through Jesus Christ, but I thought scripturally He only APPROVES of us IN Christ Jesus. Again, I am in no wise coming against you, I am blessed by the discourses in your videos. But can you clarify this for understanding...Thank you and Lord bless you.
the ball was dropped when cliff didn't bring it back to trying to get him to identify his base reason for existence/thinking, either a big banger(something out of nothing), or intelligently created. just confusion. but still great vid. I noticed alot of the time cliff misses cues on where people's minds argue from, which is, there is no God, and continue into moot points. like 2+2=5 or I like calculus. but he is doing more than I am to get to people do kudos to cliff for great deliverance.
Agreed upon attributes of the universe are space, time, matter, and having had a definite beginning. The attributes of that which created such a universe would have to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, and eternal. If not God what would that be describing? Certainly not nothing because nothing can’t create anything because it’s nothing. Now we’re getting even more evidence of God, because there seems to have a been a choice to create, which would indicate a personal being to make the choice, and a vastly intelligent being at that. God bless you all
Watching this makes me think of this man as a ball of string tangled up in a bush. His logic is almost hopelessly tangled up. It’s going to take a lot of tine to help him untangle it. I am sure he does not enjoy his life.
Interesting question Fred, I hope you are alright. I have asked that question myself at one point as well and I KNOW why I asked it, I hope you are simply asking out of curiosity. The answer would require a bit of speculation to answer "what happens" however. It is quite clear that if you harm any human that God created that this is a moral crime and will be dealt with as such, harming ones self is still harming one of God's own. Should you ever wish to talk please reach out to me here and perhaps at some point we can exchange e-mails. God be with you my friend.
Fred you never spoke with Phil on here when he's tried to speak with you about your question. And that was several years ago. I hope you're okay and that you're still searching if you are or if you're not searching because you found the answers that you continue to learn about God and God's love no matter what you're going through God is there for you if your stripes struggling if you're not struggling and that's great but you still need God everyday please let me know if you got your question answered one way or another and that you're okay I'm sure phil woukd like to know if you're okay.
It's a great question and a hard one as well, i think suicide is murder. People kill others out of hate, the only plausible explanation as to why people kill themselves is because they hate themselves. In my humble opinion i think they go to hell, not a an easy subject at all.
8:52 this gentleman is somewhat correct. Misguided on the practical principle of the power of belief in God but he does have a point. Having belief and hope in GOD not oneself you can do all through Christ. Jesus brings up that the church will do more power miracles after he's gone. The doubt in belief can affect the ability of God to intervene. (stated as they had unbelief in the bible) Its not against biblical principles to believe big with God. Don't believe in yourself over God that turns into humanistic idolatry. He lost it after that once he got into societal worldview on happiness
Without knowledge we are at the mercy of nature and other 'advanced'(so called) civilization (latest slave trade ,colonies etc) -besides the notion of the happy savage in nature is a myth -knowledge gives joy , wisdom and hopefully peace.
Cliffe makes a very good point at about 05:03, he says in response to the student when asked "You didn't create the universe", the student says "How do you know"?, then Cliffe says, "well, why don't you just create a rabbit"!. The point is, if Jesus came back tomorrow, how would we know it was him?, as Cliffe pointed out, we would want to see some kind of miraculous proof that Jesus was indeed the Son of God/miracle worker. I've asked the question in the past, Q: Why won't God heal amputees?, as I have a skeptical mind, (as do many people) why should I accept the word of some old book telling me that magical things happened in the past?, for me, it's far more likely these stories of Jesus were highly embellished to attract people into believing. If you take away all the miracles including the resurrection and ascension, the story loses most if not all of it's impact.
avilesw Absolutely, if you believe it. I have a rather skeptical nature and don't believe it. Just as Cliffe wouldn't accept that students claim without good proof, I am of the same opinion about Jesus. If it was ok for Thomas to ask for more credible evidence then what's wrong with a skeptic like me asking for more proof.
nothing at all. I was a skeptic also, until I was about 35, no amount of evidence was going to convince me. Then I was born again. That was all the evidence I needed, my new nature. I'm 40 now and the revelations and answered prayers, the daily walk with the Lord in spirit, nothing in life could be better. It's all on His timetable, just don't harden yourself when your day of visitation comes =). You wont have all the answers on that day and you will still have your doubts, but dont let those things in the way when you feel the tug on your spirit of the Father drawing you towards the Son. Jesus said no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them
avilesw Good to hear your view. I certainly wouldn't say "There is no amount of evidence that will convince me", quite the opposite in my case, lots of things will convince me, but as yet, I've not seen *any* credible evidence of Gods existence. I'd be quite interested to hear what actually happened to you for you to have some kind of revelation, I like to hear people's personal stories. You say God has answered prayer for you, do you mind me asking in what particular way, and if you've ever considered the possibility that whatever happened to answer your prayer, could or would have happened anyway. What would happen if you prayed to God for him to reveal himself to me?, What do you think would be stronger, my skepticism, or Gods desire for him to know me? That would certainly convince me if you prayed and I then had some kind of revelation.
Well, you are saved/born again bt grace through faith. Faith is the key, the bible makes it very clear. I can definitely pray for you but you're the one that's going to have to step out in faith out of your comfort zone and believe God at His and then things will begin to happen. As for me, and this isnt for everyone, but I had a radical conversion in an instant. The newness of life was overwhelming. It's as if I have been dead my whole life and came to becoming alive. As I read the scriptures I realized that's exactly the case. The scriptures say you are dead in your sins and trespasses. Also, that you are literally a captive, a slave in bondage. You might think you are a free person, as I did, but you are not. Weird example would be kind of like the Matrix. Anyways, once you are truly set free by Jesus, then all of this becomes very obvious. But again, you have to approach God and step out in faith.
what gives NACL its feature so that we taste it salty why it isnot sweet as honey and why taste of honey is always sweet not salty whhhhhhhy it shows nature reveals absolute truth conclusion it is what it is conclusion i am who i am (YHWH) WOOOOW truth is absolute and jesus said i am the truth
How pity this kids are, thinking they know everything in the world there is. Yet they couldn't distinguished reality and fantasy. Hoping for there recovery.
man keeps pet animal like dog rabbit in his house but he dont care about the begger and dont have that courage to bring this begger in his home does that pet animal more valueable than that human begger c mon 21st century man has degraded his value upto the level of object that is material sooo christ came to give that begger his value and to make him equally precious as normal man think about it no any man is that perfect in his each and every steps to take wise and reasonable decision sorry if there is grammatical error think about it
Jesus Christ did so many miracles for the benefit of people whereas a magician will just do tricks for fun. The world was made through Jesus Christ see gospel of John Chapter 1. God can be known through his son Jesus Christ. see www.gotquestions.org
Strange how God has all these attributes without a body but has to take a body ie Jesus to show them.....kind of like God doesn't exist. Cliffe is one of the unconvincing people I've listened to......his script is so dated and uninformed....and what's with his creepy body movements ?
It makes sense to me, we clearly are not meant to physically see God or interact with him in this life. By him sending his son and showing us he is good and just is a way to connect with us, we can't close our mind to the possibility of the supernatural. There has to be more than just matter and energy in my humble opinion.
cliff if you ever see this comment I pray you do, If someone argues you about mind power or new age or gives you a world view, ask immediately, from a God or no God world view. it always seems from watching your videos, that is the logic hole you and your debater get lost in. just remember they are probably arguing, if they are atheist or just naturalist, that any thought of the world they give you as a view, it's from a no God involved view. it always will circle back into something out of nothing.
@@LuciferAlmighty so you spend you life on TH-cam debating people who believe in God? Cmon bro it’s way much you could be doing like searching for God yourself. Hypocrite
Cliffe asks him to create a rabbit, but if someone said god appear and prove you are god Cliffe would say don't tempt god. These arguments work on kids but Cliffe fails miserably when debating scholars. I have yet to see him or Stuart do good in a debate. Please debate Carrier, Price, or Fitzgerald.
How do you use the placebo effect on a test? Cliffe doesn't know so he downplays. Strawman Mr graham and Darwin had no basis for the conversation. Cliffe isn't really that intelligent.
The “my truth your truth” worldview has only gotten more disturbing in the last 5 years. I see in this young man, who’s most likely graduated at this point, that narrative playing out. I hope he’s found the Truth in Jesus.
I am in no way perfect in this manner, yet I want to point out; the pride of not being able to follow truth where it leads. This young man was caught in that trap from start to finish unfortunately.
I know Cliff in most cases is wanting to have a deep conversation not a debate. Many students think that disagreements must be handled in the form of debate; who can strong arm the other? Who’s got the best ‘gotcha question’? And this is certainly a product of the public education system, to have a visceral response to information that contradicts one’s preconceptions.
This is something I’ve been trying to unravel; how do we speak through people’s pride? The only thing I can think of is how the Holy Spirit handles me in my pride: with abounding patience and endless love. And I think my question has been answered haha
What I like about Cliffe: Logic and/or Critical thinking put to the test both for the
person asking questions and the person answering the questions.
Cliff...you are just awesome! God bless!
Talk about patience. Wow. Nice job Cliffe. Thanks.
6:00 this dude is LITERALLY INSANE. How did he get in this college btw? Sry this is not even remotely normal this “if we believe we can do anything”, this is nuts. He’s treating Christ like our purpose was to attain super powers, not die for humanity’s sins.
Not that far off from Cliff asserting that he knows God's mind and speaks on his behalf....no one knows and cannot assume.
@@ericscaillet2232 he knows God through the Bible and prayers.
@@ericscaillet2232you are far off
That guy who says that he is god is so lost and in desperate need of God's love and mercy. That is one lost soul.
Jesus said everything I can do you all can do and much more. He also said we are all sons and daughters of God
@@bryantfernandez393 just so you know from the Old Testament we are in a sense All Sons and Daughters of God because we're all children of God were grafted in will not send the guard away to Jesus was because Jesus is also God he had both Divinity and Humanity. We are however, part of the family unless we choose not to be are you all right we're not Sons and Daughters of God in the way that he me and the young man. conveyed.
Same thing that lucifer said.
@@bryantfernandez393 We can only do what Jesus does (and 'greater works') by faith in God and in Christ. If the object of our faith is something lesser, it will ultimately fail us. The miraculous/ supernatural is evident in several religions but not to the degree that Christ exercised in his ultimate authority.
Also, Jesus is the Son of God, because he is the eternal expression of God's nature that came out from Him as he spoke at the beginning of creation (see John ch. 1).
@@bryantfernandez393 when he said everything that I can do you can do he was addressing the disciples and how they would prove that Jesus was here by doing miracles and being able to speak in their language. We are All sons and daughters of God if we believe in Jesus Christ as God and God the Father. Unbelievers are not daughters and sons of God. It's metaphorical.
The Infinite Skeptic.
thank you Cliffe~ great job!
i think in going to subscribe
Cliff thank you
Pastor Cliffs thank you for your videos, it helps me learn how to respond to people out in the field. I have a question though.
You mentioned about approval. according to scripture we are only approved of God THROUGH Jesus right?
Maybe I misunderstood. but did you say God approves of us before that point. you said He doesn't approve of our sin bit He approves of us.
I don't believe the Bible says anything about God's approval of us BEFORE being born again. He only approves of us IN Christ Jesus.
He undoubtedly loves us and wants us to come out from under His wrath through Jesus Christ, but I thought scripturally He only APPROVES of us IN Christ Jesus.
Again, I am in no wise coming against you, I am blessed by the discourses in your videos.
But can you clarify this for understanding...Thank you and Lord bless you.
Did you get your answer?
That kid inhaled way too much paint thinner.
He's right, Jesus said everything I can you all can do and much more. Including all miracles
@@bryantfernandez393 but only if you beliave in God.
Yeah, Cliffe must be on paint thinners. He can't make one coherent response.
Nah, straight up gold paint sniffer! He spilled a bunch of it all over his pants.
@@bryantfernandez393false.
Gods wisdom knows no bounds: "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him." ~ Proverbs 26:4
the ball was dropped when cliff didn't bring it back to trying to get him to identify his base reason for existence/thinking, either a big banger(something out of nothing), or intelligently created. just confusion. but still great vid.
I noticed alot of the time cliff misses cues on where people's minds argue from, which is, there is no God, and continue into moot points. like 2+2=5 or I like calculus. but he is doing more than I am to get to people do kudos to cliff for great deliverance.
God is spirit and we have a spirit as well it's called the soul.
Agreed upon attributes of the universe are space, time, matter, and having had a definite beginning.
The attributes of that which created such a universe would have to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, and eternal. If not God what would that be describing? Certainly not nothing because nothing can’t create anything because it’s nothing.
Now we’re getting even more evidence of God, because there seems to have a been a choice to create, which would indicate a personal being to make the choice, and a vastly intelligent being at that.
God bless you all
The bro behind cliff at 11:15 was me through this convo
Lol "what makes Jesus so special" Jesus enters the room, "I'm sorry but did you die? Yes so sit down!"
This debate was so pointless… the kid was on shrooms🤣… probably
Certified NUT !!!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Watching this makes me think of this man as a ball of string tangled up in a bush. His logic is almost hopelessly tangled up. It’s going to take a lot of tine to help him untangle it. I am sure he does not enjoy his life.
The guy is right, God is not separate from us. We are all children of God. Jesus himself said everything I have done you all can do and much more..
Only to those who trust him. Not unbelievers
But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
John 1:12
This young man exposed Cliffe's cognitive dissonance
False, the kid got picked apart real quick in the discussion.
6:55 that's not what metaphysics is in the slightest. metaphysics is a philosophical discipline XD
What happens to people who commit suicide ?
Interesting question Fred, I hope you are alright. I have asked that question myself at one point as well and I KNOW why I asked it, I hope you are simply asking out of curiosity. The answer would require a bit of speculation to answer "what happens" however. It is quite clear that if you harm any human that God created that this is a moral crime and will be dealt with as such, harming ones self is still harming one of God's own.
Should you ever wish to talk please reach out to me here and perhaps at some point we can exchange e-mails.
God be with you my friend.
Fred you never spoke with Phil on here when he's tried to speak with you about your question. And that was several years ago. I hope you're okay and that you're still searching if you are or if you're not searching because you found the answers that you continue to learn about God and God's love no matter what you're going through God is there for you if your stripes struggling if you're not struggling and that's great but you still need God everyday please let me know if you got your question answered one way or another and that you're okay I'm sure phil woukd like to know if you're okay.
It's a great question and a hard one as well, i think suicide is murder.
People kill others out of hate, the only plausible explanation as to why people kill themselves is because they hate themselves.
In my humble opinion i think they go to hell, not a an easy subject at all.
He watch too much Power Rangers. Hope he will find path to Jesus.
👍👍👍👍
Those random subjects are to program you and to distract you from God's will.
Proverbs 3:5-6
Romans 12:2
Illogical nonsense argument starts @ 4:00.....
8:52 this gentleman is somewhat correct. Misguided on the practical principle of the power of belief in God but he does have a point. Having belief and hope in GOD not oneself you can do all through Christ. Jesus brings up that the church will do more power miracles after he's gone. The doubt in belief can affect the ability of God to intervene. (stated as they had unbelief in the bible) Its not against biblical principles to believe big with God. Don't believe in yourself over God that turns into humanistic idolatry. He lost it after that once he got into societal worldview on happiness
Without knowledge we are at the mercy of nature and other 'advanced'(so called) civilization (latest slave trade ,colonies etc) -besides the notion of the happy savage in nature is a myth -knowledge gives joy , wisdom and hopefully peace.
Cliffe makes a very good point at about 05:03, he says in response to the student when asked "You didn't create the universe", the student says "How do you know"?, then Cliffe says, "well, why don't you just create a rabbit"!. The point is, if Jesus came back tomorrow, how would we know it was him?, as Cliffe pointed out, we would want to see some kind of miraculous proof that Jesus was indeed the Son of God/miracle worker. I've asked the question in the past, Q: Why won't God heal amputees?, as I have a skeptical mind, (as do many people) why should I accept the word of some old book telling me that magical things happened in the past?, for me, it's far more likely these stories of Jesus were highly embellished to attract people into believing. If you take away all the miracles including the resurrection and ascension, the story loses most if not all of it's impact.
Well of course, those things testify of who He is
avilesw Absolutely, if you believe it. I have a rather skeptical nature and don't believe it. Just as Cliffe wouldn't accept that students claim without good proof, I am of the same opinion about Jesus. If it was ok for Thomas to ask for more credible evidence then what's wrong with a skeptic like me asking for more proof.
nothing at all. I was a skeptic also, until I was about 35, no amount of evidence was going to convince me. Then I was born again. That was all the evidence I needed, my new nature. I'm 40 now and the revelations and answered prayers, the daily walk with the Lord in spirit, nothing in life could be better. It's all on His timetable, just don't harden yourself when your day of visitation comes =). You wont have all the answers on that day and you will still have your doubts, but dont let those things in the way when you feel the tug on your spirit of the Father drawing you towards the Son. Jesus said no one can come to Him unless the Father draws them
avilesw Good to hear your view. I certainly wouldn't say "There is no amount of evidence that will convince me", quite the opposite in my case, lots of things will convince me, but as yet, I've not seen *any* credible evidence of Gods existence.
I'd be quite interested to hear what actually happened to you for you to have some kind of revelation, I like to hear people's personal stories.
You say God has answered prayer for you, do you mind me asking in what particular way, and if you've ever considered the possibility that whatever happened to answer your prayer, could or would have happened anyway.
What would happen if you prayed to God for him to reveal himself to me?, What do you think would be stronger, my skepticism, or Gods desire for him to know me? That would certainly convince me if you prayed and I then had some kind of revelation.
Well, you are saved/born again bt grace through faith. Faith is the key, the bible makes it very clear. I can definitely pray for you but you're the one that's going to have to step out in faith out of your comfort zone and believe God at His and then things will begin to happen. As for me, and this isnt for everyone, but I had a radical conversion in an instant. The newness of life was overwhelming. It's as if I have been dead my whole life and came to becoming alive. As I read the scriptures I realized that's exactly the case. The scriptures say you are dead in your sins and trespasses. Also, that you are literally a captive, a slave in bondage. You might think you are a free person, as I did, but you are not. Weird example would be kind of like the Matrix. Anyways, once you are truly set free by Jesus, then all of this becomes very obvious. But again, you have to approach God and step out in faith.
what gives NACL its feature so that we taste it salty why it isnot sweet as honey and why taste of honey is always sweet not salty whhhhhhhy
it shows nature reveals absolute truth
conclusion it is what it is
conclusion i am who i am (YHWH)
WOOOOW truth is absolute and jesus said i am the truth
How pity this kids are, thinking they know everything in the world there is. Yet they couldn't distinguished reality and fantasy. Hoping for there recovery.
University means unity in diversity yet this young man thinks that to discuss makes no sense. Seriously what are these Universities teaching
man keeps pet animal like dog rabbit in his house but he dont care about the begger and dont have that courage to bring this begger in his home
does that pet animal more valueable than that human begger
c mon 21st century man has degraded his value upto the level of object that is material
sooo christ came to give that begger his value
and to make him equally precious as normal man
think about it
no any man is that perfect in his each and every steps to take wise and reasonable decision
sorry if there is grammatical error think about it
Its just absurdity.
Jesus Christ did so many miracles for the benefit of people whereas a magician will just do tricks for fun. The world was made through Jesus Christ see gospel of John Chapter 1. God can be known through his son Jesus Christ. see www.gotquestions.org
8:41 doubt is good if you have a positive mindset. What this kid is claiming is delusions of grandeur
Those who believe are children of God but none of us is Jesus Christ translating to Jesus Messiah as Christ means Messiah.
zero evidence for what this kid is saying
Strange how God has all these attributes without a body but has to take a body ie Jesus to show them.....kind of like God doesn't exist. Cliffe is one of the unconvincing people I've listened to......his script is so dated and uninformed....and what's with his creepy body movements ?
It makes sense to me, we clearly are not meant to physically see God or interact with him in this life.
By him sending his son and showing us he is good and just is a way to connect with us, we can't close our mind to the possibility of the supernatural.
There has to be more than just matter and energy in my humble opinion.
cliff if you ever see this comment I pray you do, If someone argues you about mind power or new age or gives you a world view, ask immediately, from a God or no God world view. it always seems from watching your videos, that is the logic hole you and your debater get lost in. just remember they are probably arguing, if they are atheist or just naturalist, that any thought of the world they give you as a view, it's from a no God involved view. it always will circle back into something out of nothing.
Wrong, so wrong.
@@LuciferAlmighty so you spend you life on TH-cam debating people who believe in God? Cmon bro it’s way much you could be doing like searching for God yourself. Hypocrite
@@servantofthelambofgod7879 there's nothing to search for.
@@LuciferAlmighty is that true?
@@servantofthelambofgod7879 prove otherwise
Cliffe asks him to create a rabbit, but if someone said god appear and prove you are god Cliffe would say don't tempt god. These arguments work on kids but Cliffe fails miserably when debating scholars. I have yet to see him or Stuart do good in a debate. Please debate Carrier, Price, or Fitzgerald.
How do you use the placebo effect on a test? Cliffe doesn't know so he downplays. Strawman Mr graham and Darwin had no basis for the conversation. Cliffe isn't really that intelligent.