Nice video mate and its nice to hear you found a way that works well for you, I think we often get too caught up in the technicalities of it all and some times I think natural instinct is best, I know I threw a lot better with my natural throw which looked terrible and nothing like what you would say a good throw should be but I got good with it all the same, now my throw is not the same and I lost that natural feel but I may re-visit the pushing style again and see how I get on :) Cheers!
This is an extremely good video! So glad you've found a way to throw better. I'm still practicing very hard to see what suits me...sigh, it's a very long journey.
this is interesting for me because I've also been struggling to change my throw to your 'better form' throw. Before, I throw like you. Now I throw like 'the better form' version. surprising to me, it is actually the correct 'push'. The way you throw now for me is more like 'swing' means your elbow more likely moved up very little. Think like a trebuchet in a war video game. Meanwhile the 'push' is when you push the dart like you're throwing a brick onto a wall with your wrist and elbow very relaxed. It will eventually lift your elbow from aiming point and your wrist dropped down. The key is your elbow and wrist must be very relaxed. Try throwing while putting a dart on your inner elbow (i dont now how to call it, but it's there), if you 'push' it correctly, the dart on your inner elbow will jump up. Think like a folding gate! The more you relaxed, the stronger it hits the board, so much easier to aim a target. 'swing' requires a very high concentration for me whilst 'push' requires more stamina. in 'swing' you always need to memorize your release point in 'push' you dont have to, because there will be a point where you cant hold the dart anymore and you really really need to release (just like when you're throwing a brick as hard as you can onto a wall) note: dont change the backswing, it's same for both. but anyway it's just my opinion, I saw a lot of people throwing differently....still better than me. LOL. try it and let me know what you think
I think you explained it well there, its something I think lots of people try to develop, some it will work and some it wont but like Japanes Guy I have wrestled with this for a long time, my natural throw is no more and I still struggle with what I have developed so far but I have improved to what it was a couple of years ago, it can be a problem once you start changing though as you can try so many things it messes with your head. I don't believe there is an absolute correct way as such only your own way but with some foundations from what is needed such as a light subtle grip and a relaxed throwing style etc. I know one guy who argues like crazy that its impossible to push the darts but I think he is nuts and although it may not be quite the same as pushing a box or a door etc its the best way to explain the principle of throwing the dart that way.
Darts Review Channel glad to hear some feedback. Yes I also struggled very hard, my average PPD dropped to half when I try this kind of throw, it's been a year and I've never been able to get back to my previous state. I can only get back at 70%. At that moment I realised that I'm in my 'First Slump' I believe the best time to practice a different thing is when you're relaxed and enjoying the game. Otherwise, it's just gonna frustate you. Be confident with the direction you're practising. I've even seen guy throwing by just flicking FINGERS and he scores over 100 in average, why? because he made himself very relaxed and confident.
Yeah I think its my main issue at present, struggling with the ability to get into that relaxed state and putting too much pressure on myself, my natural was very flicky and wristy a bit like how Bunting throws but it would cause me pain im my wrist so I guess I would have had to change style just because of that. Last year I started to pick up well and I think it was because I was going to the gym and it must have been having an affect on my muscles, my throw felt smoother and was going well but I kept picking up injuries, back kept getting niggles then I tore my calf muscle then I hurt my left shoulder so I decided to stop, its been over 6 months now and there is still a twinge in my left shoulder but I will give it a couple more months and then start doing some very light weight exercises and see if that helps my throw again, cheers! :)
+Darts Review Channel thanks mate! I was always liked Beaton. His personality, they way he plays darts, everything. And also his throw too... Unfortunate to hear your injury.. when I get injury I go to physiotherapy immediately and I also stop play darts as well... or like icing the injury part or something. I hope that you get well soon mate.
Japanese Guy TV パワーではやはり何事でも負けてしまう部分あると思います。 バレー、格闘技、野球…これも海外の人らと比べると…。 ダーツだと、エイドリアンルイス、ヴァンダルセン、デイブチルネル、最近だと、ボリスカリチュマー？でしたっけ…皆巨人ですよね。 パワーを出すってより、やっぱ細かい技術を習得するとかしかないんじゃないですかねぇ。
This was fantastic, thank you
you make great darts videos , keep up the good work !!
+Richard Edwards thanks a lot! I talk about whatever I feel like I want to talk about...lol
A demonstration of your new throw would of been nice
Nice video mate and its nice to hear you found a way that works well for you, I think we often get too caught up in the technicalities of it all and some times I think natural instinct is best, I know I threw a lot better with my natural throw which looked terrible and nothing like what you would say a good throw should be but I got good with it all the same, now my throw is not the same and I lost that natural feel but I may re-visit the pushing style again and see how I get on :) Cheers!
+Darts Review Channel thanks mate! I wish to stay in UK and play darts all day long...
Guyさんの動画結構みてるつもりでした。
この動画、まさにボードを買い家でフォーム練を始めた自分への救いになりました、大袈裟ですけど笑。
前々からプッシング的な投げ方だったので、気楽にまた投げてみます！
色々試し過ぎて悩んでました。参考にします！
+asahi0508 参考までに！！ あざます！！
真剣な話に緩和を加えつつ伝える。素晴らしいです!
ところでperfect開幕戦見られましたか〜⁉︎
Japanese Guy TV お返事ありがとうございます！
彼女は笑顔がたまりませんねぇ〜！笑
This is an extremely good video! So glad you've found a way to throw better. I'm still practicing very hard to see what suits me...sigh, it's a very long journey.
+Sean Chen nice... darts is love and joy...
Nice work. I'm hoping this video saves my dart game.
なんか私も今無理してきれいに投げようと思ってやってたんですがこれ見て少し 変われそうです！
+ノルス 無理はいかんですね僕の場合...😭
話し方やたら好きやわー
+伴藤誠一 😂😂😂
何をもってきれいなスローとするかが問題です。
スローの際にどのような関節運動を行えばもっとも理想的かという問いには恐らく確かな答えがあると思います。が、それを実現できるフィジカルを持っている人は多くはないと思います。
一人一人骨のアライメントや筋の張力等々の違いによって微妙な違いが出てきます。何をいっているかわからないと思いますが、要は大部分の人が個体差によって理想のスローを体現できないということです。
ですので、理想に出来る限り近付けながらも個人に合わせたスローを調整していくしかないです。
更に理想のスローを体現できてもそれだけでダーツがうまくなる訳ではありません。理想のスローとはこう投げれば入るというようなスローではなく、再現性が高く、より効率的に運動学習を行えるスローです。
医学的な知識のない方では例えダーツのプロであっても上記を教えることは不可能に近いのでHOW-TOが基本的に感覚的な説明になっていることが多いですよね。
ダーツはスポーツとしては簡単な部類になるのでそれ故に高い精度を求められます。理想のスローを追い求めるのは非常に重要だと思いますが、普通はそもそも理想のスローがなんなのかわからないと思いますので下手に迷うよりある程度出来ているならそのまま突っ走った方がいいんでしょうね。
長々と古い動画に失礼しました。
kumao kumada うん、長いですね
動画いつも楽しく拝見してます
この動画のおかげでカウントアップ得点を更新する事が出来ました‼️悩みがぶっ飛びました
感謝してます
ありがとうございます。
僕も今全く同じ状況ですw
最近Aフラに上がれて、でもそこで止まりたくなかったので理論だけを追求してホントに自分のフォームを理想通りにしようとしてたのですが今ホントに泥沼にはまってます😭
でも他人の正解は自分の正解ではないんだなって思ったのでまた昔の調子良かった時のフォームに戻してそこから上を目指そうと思います！
+せんぱんやまと Aフラおめでとうございます！ 「自分にしかできないダーツ」って素敵ですよね...😘
鼻モジモジする時だけアップするのやめて(笑)
昼飯食いながら見てて吹きそうになるわ(笑)
t1000わろた笑笑
this is interesting for me because I've also been struggling to change my throw to your 'better form' throw.
Before, I throw like you. Now I throw like 'the better form' version.
surprising to me, it is actually the correct 'push'.
The way you throw now for me is more like 'swing' means your elbow more likely moved up very little. Think like a trebuchet in a war video game.
Meanwhile the 'push' is when you push the dart like you're throwing a brick onto a wall with your wrist and elbow very relaxed. It will eventually lift your elbow from aiming point and your wrist dropped down. The key is your elbow and wrist must be very relaxed.
Try throwing while putting a dart on your inner elbow (i dont now how to call it, but it's there), if you 'push' it correctly, the dart on your inner elbow will jump up.
Think like a folding gate!
The more you relaxed, the stronger it hits the board, so much easier to aim a target.
'swing' requires a very high concentration for me whilst 'push' requires more stamina.
in 'swing' you always need to memorize your release point
in 'push' you dont have to, because there will be a point where you cant hold the dart anymore and you really really need to release (just like when you're throwing a brick as hard as you can onto a wall)
note: dont change the backswing, it's same for both.
but anyway it's just my opinion, I saw a lot of people throwing differently....still better than me. LOL.
try it and let me know what you think
I think you explained it well there, its something I think lots of people try to develop, some it will work and some it wont but like Japanes Guy I have wrestled with this for a long time, my natural throw is no more and I still struggle with what I have developed so far but I have improved to what it was a couple of years ago, it can be a problem once you start changing though as you can try so many things it messes with your head. I don't believe there is an absolute correct way as such only your own way but with some foundations from what is needed such as a light subtle grip and a relaxed throwing style etc. I know one guy who argues like crazy that its impossible to push the darts but I think he is nuts and although it may not be quite the same as pushing a box or a door etc its the best way to explain the principle of throwing the dart that way.
Darts Review Channel glad to hear some feedback. Yes I also struggled very hard, my average PPD dropped to half when I try this kind of throw, it's been a year and I've never been able to get back to my previous state. I can only get back at 70%. At that moment I realised that I'm in my 'First Slump'
I believe the best time to practice a different thing is when you're relaxed and enjoying the game.
Otherwise, it's just gonna frustate you.
Be confident with the direction you're practising.
I've even seen guy throwing by just flicking FINGERS and he scores over 100 in average, why? because he made himself very relaxed and confident.
Yeah I think its my main issue at present, struggling with the ability to get into that relaxed state and putting too much pressure on myself, my natural was very flicky and wristy a bit like how Bunting throws but it would cause me pain im my wrist so I guess I would have had to change style just because of that. Last year I started to pick up well and I think it was because I was going to the gym and it must have been having an affect on my muscles, my throw felt smoother and was going well but I kept picking up injuries, back kept getting niggles then I tore my calf muscle then I hurt my left shoulder so I decided to stop, its been over 6 months now and there is still a twinge in my left shoulder but I will give it a couple more months and then start doing some very light weight exercises and see if that helps my throw again, cheers! :)
+Darts Review Channel thanks mate! I was always liked Beaton. His personality, they way he plays darts, everything. And also his throw too...
Unfortunate to hear your injury.. when I get injury I go to physiotherapy immediately and I also stop play darts as well... or like icing the injury part or something.
I hope that you get well soon mate.
+Dede Firmansyah good that you have the beautiful form... I wish I have that lol
4スタンス理論で言うところのBタイプなんでしょうね。
Aタイプの人は手首を使う動きが得意なのですが、Bタイプは違うので押すイメージですよね。
自分はBタイプなので投げる時押してます笑
+trysvn すごい！！ 勉強してみます！
目とセットを合わせてしまう
目と腕を合わせてしまう
悩んで悩んでイップスになってやめて……
たまーに気が向いて投げたらやたら当たる
今はセットアップ位置から
握り込み(ここでグリップ)
押し出し(フォロー)
掌の中でテイクバックを済ませるようになるとイップス消えました。
ましてや、セットアップばかり見て的を見てませんでした。
PERFECTみました？ヤンマー惜しかったです😭やっぱり浅田プロ強い…
+田中太郎 ヤンマーのにゅうヘアスタイル好きっす！！
いつも参考にさせてもらってます^_^
今回も助かりましたー！
これからも動画投稿お願いしまーす^_^
ちょいちょい鼻ほじ入るからわろて内容入ってけーへんwwwwww
+角田貴仁 鼻くそとれんかった😭
Japanese Guy TV 鼻ホジる前にティッシュで鼻かんでwww
+角田貴仁 はい！！
ダーツの位置がバラバラなんですけどどうしたらいいんですかね？
+どこかの柴犬 僕もっす。。。。 しっかりまとめな😭
なるほど、つまり鼻の穴に指を突き刺すイメージですね
+田中泉 ザッツライト！！
鼻ほじのズームめっちゃワロタ
なるほど、、!!
+Ta To 😍
細かいネタが好き
バーニーのあの体のどこも痛めないような滑らか〜なフォームが俺の目標です！
…でも確かに自分にあった投げ方をしたほうがいいみたいですね！
+T Dai バーニー神っすね....
鼻ほじのアップは流石に笑います(笑)
+らるんろるん 左なんすよね...鼻毛きらな^^;
悩んでる僕にはいい話でして！あざす！
+暖かいガム あざます！！
そのシャツほしい
鼻ほじでクソ吹きました笑
+じゅぴのチャンネル 鼻毛がかゆかったもんで...汗
鼻ほじの後の話はまったく入ってきませんでしたｗ
+Darts クレマツ 左鼻くそっすよね？w
ターミネーターww
+ジョンスミス ばばんばんばばん💕
初めてダーツ打った時にそれを教わらなかったのは不幸でしたね？
確かに「きれいなフォーム」だとか手首だとか、どーでもよいことばかり教える人が最近は増えた気がします。とても残念。
押し出すイメージ、いまなら解る気がする😶
言ってることはわかるけど、外人と日本人は身長が違いますよ！
2m近くある人ばかりだし、その分筋力も違います。
女子と男子プロ対戦したら差があるのは、それもあるのではないですか？
振り下ろす感じと差し込みに行く。のとでは感覚も違いますし。
+かわしまとっきー そんな視点があったんですね..あざます！！
日本人の力が100パーセント出せる方法はあるのでしょうか...
Japanese Guy TV パワーではやはり何事でも負けてしまう部分あると思います。
バレー、格闘技、野球…これも海外の人らと比べると…。
ダーツだと、エイドリアンルイス、ヴァンダルセン、デイブチルネル、最近だと、ボリスカリチュマー？でしたっけ…皆巨人ですよね。
パワーを出すってより、やっぱ細かい技術を習得するとかしかないんじゃないですかねぇ。
Speak English pare..
左回転とか肩抜きとか裏抜きと同じ様なお話ですね。
最近太りましたよね??笑
+0003 しょーや 激太りっす😑