Star Trek, Star Wars, Predator, Alien... There isn't a popular sci-fi franchise that isn't suffering from this effect of the latest installments being so much worse then what came before.
People try to inject "new ideas" into a franchise, which normally irritates anyone who has a working brain due to it either just badly copying its predecessors (Dark Fate), being confusing to avoid criticism of a lack of explanation (Genesys) or being so different in theme it can't be fully considered part of the same franchise (Salvation). T3 is mostly the same, but adds enough for it so be at least somewhat memorable - the expanded list of Resistance members, the inevitability of JD, and Kate.
I like to call this the Disney Star Wars effect, a phenomena where a studio will release a new entry into a classic and well beloved franchise and bastardise the source material to such a degree it forces fans to look back at previous unfavorable entries and appreciate them more. Everyone hated the prequel Trilogy but 2 SW rapes later fans love the prequels almost as much as the original trilogy. Genisys and Dark Fate are so bad that Rise of The Machines now feel like the true sequel to T2 Judgement Day
@@harryunderwood9387 Well, at least Salvation somewhat tried to evolve the franchise by going to the future instead of retreading the whole "Protecting the future leader of the resistance and time travel" shenanigans.
Exactly this. I was actually thinking this the other day, remembering past movies that I thought at the time were "meh" now seem like frigging masterpieces of cinema in comparison. Sadly I guess the standards have been lowered all around.
I guess it has something to do with the rise of the internet and social media. It democratizies things which isn't always a good thing. Basicly Hollywood can see first hand that a majority of the audience is content with low effort writing and narrative quality and the critics are easily pleased with inclusion of "progressive values/messages".
No joke, I set out to watch a deliberately bad movie a few months ago, but by the time I had reached midway through that CGI Scooby Doo movie, I was loving it. It used to be used as an example of a bad movie.
Just a small note: John doesn't have a drug problem in T3, he was in a motorcycle accident at the beginning of the film, but because he was living off the grid and didn't want any attention he broke into the vet's office to steal pain killers instead of going to the hospital where he could be tracked. Ever since the events of T2, he was cautious of whether or not he and his mom really did stop Judgement Day, he went off the grid specifically so SkyNet could not track him in the event SkyNet would come into existence, that's why the Terminator was sent to protect Kate Bruster, her location was known, but not John's location.
After all, his true objective was to take them to the safe house when they found him. There was someone else whom had an issue of why this Terminator didn't know John, was because Future Kate was the one whom rewrote this one and was in command of this T-800. Which is legit to me at least. After all, we did see the other one burn in the factory.
the t-850 was sent back to get both john and kate to safety, he tracked her down because her locations were in the records but not because that was his only objective. he followed kate's commands because kate was the one who reprogrammed him and sent him back, this model was developed and deployed to take advantage of john's emotional attachment to the t-800. although not explicitly stated in the film, it is made clear that the t-850 succeeded in his primary mission before being captured and reprogrammed. hence why kate programmed it and not john, john was already dead. it is also implied that kate programmed it not to answer certain questions from john to protect him from the knowledge that his protector was/is/will be his executioner.
It was also sent by Kate Brewster because John was dead, the T-850 killed him. Kate reprogrammed it and sent it back to protect the two of them. This film was horrible.
@@WingsofHistory i saw Salvation as part of the start of the war but not the FULL OUT TOTAL WAR, like we saw in the intro of T1. cars burning, hundrads of T-800s marching and gunning down humans, John Conner Leading the last stronghold of Humanity in a bleek but hopefull battle for the future. not a fight, not a battle but a WAR lol
stan broniszewski ...those 2 movies are going to be trainwrecks from the trailers i saw. Ill still go and see it but will know not to expect anything great
never had a drug problem he was trying to get pain pills although I'm surprised he hasn't turned to drugs or better yet killed himself after the all the shit he went through.
Sad that this “reviewer” assumed he had a drug problem and couldn’t realise they were just being used to control pain and healing as he fell of his motorcycle and still needed to stay off the grid
Na it sucked just as much if not more and this guy is looking back at it with rose tinted glasses. Also I doubt you even seen dark fate before typing this comment.
I don't think it was that bad. When I saw the sequel, my reaction was "OK, they didn't have to, but if they're gonna do it, this is good enough". And with Salvation I actually got excited about the franchise. Then 5 and 6 happened.
I enjoyed the concept of salvation but not the execution. Had they kept the original ending that got leaked though I think it could have been incredible
Geçen günlerde bütün seriyi baştan izledim.Anlamadığım en büyük konu şu oldu,2.filmden sonra ne alaka mizahı bu kadar abartmışlar.Bu film biraz ciddi olsa terminatör emekli albay gibi davranmasa gayet okey aslında.Salvationın kötü olmama sebebi de bana göre 1 ve 2. Filmin ciddiliğine geri dönmeleri olması.Selamlar ve sevgiler
Dark fate is deff the third best film in terms of these films. But salvation is my third fav of the films after t1 and t2. But even the reviewers who hate dark fate admit it’s the best since t2
I hate T3 but at least it wasnt serious. This is why I hate Salvation more that movie is serious as a fuckin funeral. T3 is the beginning of the "crap-quel" where no attempt is made to develop a good movie only Cash is the goal
Proper Duction Your right but T3 got made anyways and for me it’s a good trilogy cause the way T3 ends wraps it up nicely. T2 only postponed it T3 it actually happened at the end.
I liked it since it came out at the right time of my life to enjoy this kind of film. I think it's an OK movie with a great ending. That ending alone is enough to warrant a watch, at least once.
@@m.a.4500 Its not entirely the actor's fault, he was scripted as a troubled guy, whining too much. Someone like Sam Worthington to play John would be nicer, tough.
I love the ending , as the bombs drop John in his monologue reminds us that the mission (even in T2) Was never to stop Skynet but to survive the attack , a fact that we forget because we get so into the movie , bombs drop we get one last look at the T850 eyes goes black and so does the screen and Terminator Theme plays , perfect! The ending has a feeling of dread and sadness but also hope , same as T1 when Sarah drives away in the jeep , yes , she survives and John will be born but the war will happen and people will die no matter what , i love T3 , im just glad people are now seeing how good it was , sad it took a bad reboot for people to notice
MrJ Pmosh the ending was done really well. I wish I could watch it for the first time again because when I first watched it, it was such a twist that I wasn’t even expecting.
MrJ Pmosh the ending was done really well. I wish I could watch it for the first time again because when I first watched it, it was such a twist that I wasn’t even expecting.
@@3dpoollvr its called a joke moron, and your comment makes no sense either as what I said has nothing to do with feminism. More to do with the bs of people thinking they can be any gender you want.
The Female Terminator's performance was MARVELOUSLY UNBELIEVABLE AWESOME! Kristian Loken should have been in the last Terminator movie! Loken set the new standard. Her performance can't be matched!
I believe the ending to T3 was one of the best endings in movie history. It’s good storytelling coupled with a certain perspective on life that we all can take away from.
I feel like the T-X and the actress playing it do a good job. While Patrick had menace, especially given that he impersonated a cop, someone that is supposed to protect us, Kristanna had a creepy factor a la uncanny valley. Her dead eyed stare and slight smirk in pretty much all scenarios works, in my opinion. It's similar but slightly different to the T-1000. It assumes the shape of someone unassuming and seems to have a slightly sadistic side, juxtaposed to Arnold's matter-of-fact deadpan delivery. Just look at any of the still shots of the T-X staring. Slightly unsettling.
The T-X is basically all the multiple roles it's previous terminators fullfilled (being closer to Cameron's vision of what an infiltrator would be) plus a more effective way of controlling the polymemetic alloy (in the original timeline skynet had to discontinue the t-1000 production because he had no way to control it's AI from learning at a faster rate) plus it has blueprints of other Terminators and since it had a better connection to the internet (in the script to T3 it linked with Skynet via phone) it provided it with information on how to create the t-800 earlier and info about John and his resistance. So yeah plothole for Salvation solved. The hybrids in salvation had a prototype of the chip that would become the learning computer of the t-800.
@@Dilo22 I won't force you but I hope you check out the game Terminator Resistance and it's DLCs they are largely inspired by the first two movies but plot points, themes and a couple of ideas from T3 and Salvation are used there as well! If you didn't like the Feedback you've heard from Dark Fate this game might change your mind big time!
For me salvation is tied with dark date for the 3rd best film. Salvation is the only film to truly give us something new and every fan wants to see a legit future war movie. Salvation isn’t the future war they always tease in cut scenes but it’s close enough.
Kristanna Loken was a great terminator for the most part, and Claire Danes did a good job despite that silly Mike Kripke's basement connection. It is a masterpiece, compared to what came after it, although Salvation was entertaining.
He didn't develop a drug problem, he fell off a motorcycle and broke into the veterinary clinic because he needed to take something for the pain but didn't want to show up on any grid
I agree as well. It isn't a great film, but it is solid and doesn't destroy what came before it. Plus, I prefer the idea that you can't change the past. You can only tinker at the edges. So, Skynet and Humanity are really playing a game where the result is ordained even if the methods and causes change some. One problem I had with two, and it was continued in three and Genisys, is the use of Terminators in flashbacks as ubiquitous soldiers. The original movie had all sorts of other types of HK's and Terminators were simply infiltration units. I always had the feeling they were meant to be extremely expensive to make and not something you build thousands of.
Yet this movie negates John's importance, and he could easily be replaced by a military boyfriend who witnessed the scenes at the base, and has had refresher courses in how to handle himself on a daily basis, weapons training, tactics, etc. Since John seems not only lacking in practice for quite a few years, but utterly forgetful of virtually everything he learned under his mothers tutelage. It also corrupts and reverses the message. Going from you can change the future, "the future is what you make it," to, "the future is set." This message further negates the importance of John, as it implies he cannot stop his inevitable death, and as such, his very existence is assuring the cycle completes its full circle, giving all the more reason to tossing him out in favour of a joker's wild card of someone else with active tactical and weapons training, alongside other skills like hacking (or just coding)...which again would have been plentiful from the officer classes on the base her father worked on, and it wouldn't take rocket science to figure out what his new mission would be after they escape the bunker, let alone find motivation to hide in a bunker as there is no way to stop the launch.
Alexander Langella well its true what you said but its all a what if. The real story isnt about whether John poseses any skills at all. It all boiled down to chance and the fate of John being in the rigjt place at the right time. The whole story is totally about getting John into that specific bunker. Why is that not because he had skill it was because of what that particular bunker was. This bunker was suppose to be where the President and top leaders of the millitary were to lead in case of what was happening. John being the one there to answer the calls is what put him in charge of everything. So it was guided from the very beginning for him to be in that specific place to take leadership not because he had skills. It was a destiny or fate to be in the right place at the right time.
Ken Jett I know. Salvation is when it started to go downhill and Genesis would be the worst, but it wasn’t because he gave me what I wanted, Schwarzenegger as the terminator.
I always loved T3 and didn't understand why so many thought it was bad. I'll admit, it did suffer from "been there, done that," and sitting in theaters, I was much more impressed with T2 in 1991 than I was with T3 years later. But I still thought it was very good and there is one important aspect that I think it actually does better. I find the characters in T3 very likable. In T2, I was naturally compelled to cheer on the humans trying to hold off the apocalypse, but honestly, Sarah was kind of crazy, and John was a smart ass punk. I didn't dislike them, per se, but I didn't find them endearing either.
On the other hand you got Arnold being totally dumb and not funny as T800. Its even worse when you realize how much he developed in T2 and became more human T3 just show what a bad re-hash of 2 it is
My only real problem with this movie is that it completely changed the theme from the previous movie. T2's theme was "There is no fate but the one you make", but T3 turns around and says, "Nope! You have no choice in the matter." Once I was able to accept that change T3 became a much more enjoyable experience for me. I actually like the idea of Skynet being the virus that ultimately became the reason Skynet was turned on. Plus, this movie gets a huge boost in entertainment when you watch it with the RiffTrax commentary!
More than just that. It also negates the entire value and point of John Conner. Think about it. Given fate is absolute, he's unable to control the terminator, and we know he'll eventually lead to his inevitable death, that his wife is actually the TRUE savior of mankind, and that John merely serves as her trainer, something that any military man from that base who witnessed the events and escaped with her could have trained her in...and quite a bit better I might add given John is clearly out of practice for years, has forgotten much of what he was trained in, and is kind of a louse compared to the more self-determined version of himself we left off with at the end of T2. His very existence, and that the war is clearly ongoing and inevitable means the only way to assure anything can change is to throw a veritable monkey wrench into the mix and remove him and replace him with a different guy who has similar training but a different mindset going in. Granted that could mean the death of humanity, but being a gamble, it could mean skynet actually dies. It also makes zero sense that John was picked up before his wife when it's his wife who is the target, and the T-850 should have no idea what model he's up against. The T-X's abilities are also too perfect to fill in obvious gaps in the continuity, and while cool and make for some great story as a standalone film, it's just in poor taste as it means skynet is its own savior and builder, not really humans who invoke and create it themselves...though with its own technology. Nevermind there wasn't an inkling of solid explanation for why skynet still exists. Plenty of options they could have gone with, even for the time. Recovered data from Dyson's shot up hdd which is possible in the 90's at the consumer level. Or the owner of the company, being under military contract had data files copied and stored elsewhere that Dyson wasn't aware of, offsite, likely linked to the military, which would have served as the best explanation for continuity purposes.
John Conner being the savior of humanity was always the weakest and silliest plot point of the Terminator movies. If John gets bumped off, there won't be a single worthy man on earth left to fight the machines? Come on... When you think about it, the only two people who talk up John that way are his own mother and father. What parents don't want to think highly of their own child?
I actually preferred the time travel concept in T3 over T1 and T2 because it makes more sense to me that the timeline changes each time you send a Terminator back. I thought the opening line of T2 was not truthful. "Skynet sent 2 Terminators back." Well, why stop at 2? Why not send an entire army to kill Sarah Connor in 1984? Why not send the T-1000 to 1984 if they had the technology already? Reese would not be able to beat the T-1000 for sure but might beat the T-800. It makes more sense that Skynet only sent one Terminator back in the original timeline to 1984 and Reese being sent back changed John's father to Reese. Then the events of T1 changed the timeline and when Skynet was about to lose again, they have a newer model in the T-1000 so they try again in T2. The T-1000 fails and it changes the timeline resulting in the events of T3 with the TX being sent back in time.
@@johnglue1744 T3 also finally explains what type of time travel theory they were using. T2 ended with the thought that victory in the past would just make an alternate timeline without judgement day. Yet T3 was like; Nope. Closed loop timeline. Judgement day will happen no matter what. In the words of Thanos, " It is inevitable."
@@johnglue1744 I think its because the bar has been lowered so much that it doesn´t seem too bad now. I remember seeing it back in 03 thinking it was mediocre, I´ve seen it a few times since and never liked it tbh.
I liked T3, it's definitely more and more worth watching after T4, Genysis, and eventually Dark Fate. I like T3's story, the idea that Skynet was postponed but inevitable just adds to the helplessness
@@tryingbutfailing EXACTLY! Plus we didn't need the whole "Robo-dad" stuff in Terminator 2 either. People slam Terminator 3 for some of the out of place humor, yet they forget how Terminator 2 also had ridiculous humor in it and it fact was the film that started the slapstick humor that followed in the later films.
If T1 was canon and nothing else I'd be fine with it. Trying to change the future just doesn't work. If humans have to survive the apocalypse, they'll have to, and they can survive again and not be so lazy and careless in result waking the fuck up. T2 has a special place in my heart but I'll agree it's in some ways no different from the sequels after it that people dread.
The main problem that I have with this movie is that it completely changed the narrative. Both T1 and T2 were based on the idea that the future isn't set in stone and humanity holds its fate in its hands in every single moment. This was a strong motivator for the human characters and made the viewer want to root for them, becasue it seemed their success is being decided in every single scene they are in. In T3 this idea was totally abandoned, and because of that the human characters had no agency, they were like people riding on a rollercoaster through the story, because it was all predefined and set in stone. "Judgement Day is inevitable", as the T-850 clearly stated to John. This completely removed John's agency as a hero and turned him into a helpless victim of his surroundings and of history that has been already written.
Agreed. T3's message was "shit happens, we just deal with it". Which means that any stakes in future movies are gone. No matter what they do in the present, Skynet will happen, John Connor will die, and the Terminator will be sent back to try and kill him. But even if they do, it doesn't matter, as further established in Dark Fate when a new savior arises. All of it is just destiny and there's no point in trying.
I thought this film was just ok, but more to the point is it was completely unnecessary for it to be made. The first two films were perfect on their own
I think Terminator 3 is a great film and boy that badass girl was so gorgeous and brilliant at playing the part. Just watched it last night and for it to follow the 2nd film was more than enough eyecandy, action, special effects, great acting and great story.
@@neoluthuli3254 The only people who like that shit are Hollywood, Rottentomatoes critics, and those 30 or so SJW weirdos on Twitter who are offended at literally everything.
Honestly the killing of John really made a lot more sense then people are admitting. They stopped the skynet future in t2 so it makes sense that he isn’t important anymore and a new future was set in motion. It’s like nukes. The world was guaranteed to have nukes developed, if it hadn’t been us it would have been someone like the Germans. Hell even day to day tech is always a race to get the new gen out before the competition. Even if you stop Sony from making the next gen tv..... another company is developing the same type of next gen tv
@@caseymoore4759 yea, but I love the approach of t3 about how you can't stop your fate and it must continue one way or another, wish they remaster t3 and continue from there
Miguel GC Gamer dark fate has the same plot though but in a more realistic way if you think about. I’ve been using the nuclear bomb analogy. In t3 it comes down to no matter what is done some how skynet gets developed. Makes no sense. It’s like saying no matter what happened the iPhone would have been developed even if you got rid of its creators. That’s nonsense. Dark fate t2 successfully stopped skynet. But the same road was taken in terms of technology which just created a new future with a completely diff ai intelligence which technically is more realistic. Back to the nuke analogy I mentioned. We weren’t the only ones trying to develop nukes. If the American team who created the first wasn’t successful for whatever reason someone else would have been but it wouldn’t be the same nuke design as our team because it would have been developed by someone else. Which of you think about it makes the d day caused by legion and a new resistance leader more realistic
I honestly wouldn’t have minded if they kill John Conner however I hate how they killed him off like he meant nothing as if they hadn’t spent the entire past 5 movies making his survival and existence the most important thing
What people forget is that the first two movies were rated for adults whereas every other sequels are suitable for kids. This is one of the reasons they aren’t as good.
In the UK, T3 was rated 12, while The Terminator was rated 18 and T2 was given a 15 rating (with cuts) when they came out. R rated movies usually range between 15 and 18 but never 12. I have no idea how T3 got an R rating in the US.
Yeah. I never understood people complaining about that. He clearly was hurt after he crashed. He needed medicine. I don't know how people miss that he wasn't a druggie.
Cameron should not ignore T3 imo, it is still part of the original terminator trilogy and it wraps up the whole story. Because really, T2 shows a hopeful ending that to me just felt too good to be true. T3 comes full circle by showing Judgement day was not avoided but just moved back. And it ends by showing for the first time the Actual judgement day. Bad or good as a movie, storywise it feels integral to the overall plot. Salvation I don't care about and Genesys I prefer to believe is just a joke.
I bet if you do a cut where the bar and "talk to the hand" scenes were taken out and just have Arnie turn up out of the blue (we don't need to know how he got this clothes for the 3rd time) it would actually make for a better film. The scenes where an awfully misjudged comedy moment that completely killed the movie for me when I saw it all those years ago.
I agree with all of that Kevin, but would also like to add that I feel that making arnie's a more advanced version of the previous 2 iterations of him greatly hurts the film. The inclusions of the nuke powercells is just bad as it only really serves to be a maguffin to allow him to win at the end [which also required that he be hacked in the first place to corrupt his programming as otherwise he couldn't have self-terminated,] but also really messes with both T-1 and T-2 as if the powersource had been used in that model skynet would have won both times [would have nuked when crushed in the press, or when the T-1000 pierced it in the foundry.]
There is a fan edit called The Coming Storm that fixes all those issues. Removes all the goofy bits and makes the film flow smoother like a long chase film almost. The Video Game Terminator 3: The Redemption also re-did many scenes including that one.
John Connor: But you'll find a way to stop her, right? The terminator: Not likely, I'm an obsolete design. But I enjoyed terminator 3, it's the third best movie in the series.
To me, the best part was how machines and humans behaved how they were supposed to. Arnold's character mantained an emotionless and serious face throughout the entirety of the movie and he realized the true danger of Skynet. While on T2, the robot still shows some human traits, in this one both Arnold and the woman don't even show signs of pain. To me, the fight on the bathroom was one of the best I'd ever seen. And the ending of Terminator 3 was flawless. Though I'd want to see a proper sequel to it. What happens 30 years from then? Will there be any survivors? Will the machines be hunting them like T2 predicted it? Or both machines and humans were practically wiped out and Brewster and Connor are the only survivors plus their children? What do they do for entretainment in the bunker (besides sex)? How long did their rations last? Honestly, amazing ending but still leaves a lot of questions that could be explored in a proper sequel
@@VadersFist95 what makes you ask that? Sarah Conner was brilliant, Cameron was brilliant, Kristina Loken and Shirley Manson were brilliant. We don't hate women, just bad writing. Don't be that person
It is a common mistake. Probably an extrapolation of the word 'nuke' with 'leer' dumped on the end. Two words that both have negative connotations. The words 'New' and 'Clear' both have positive connotations that don't appropriately describe such a thing.
i didnt think the movie was that bad, but the thing that did bring it down alot was the girl terminator. she just wasnt as scary as the t-1000 from judgement day. that terminator just made me think, when i first saw this movie, "bro, how are they gonna beat this thing? " it just seemed completely unstoppable. the girl seemed like kinda a pushover. one of my favorite things about this movie was the scene where she killed those kids, because its the first time in the series i remember seeing how ruthless the terminators were. edit: he did bring up the point about this terminator not being as scary, which is cool
I always really liked this film and felt like I was in the minority at the time. I definitely cringed my way through salvation. I always thought that Nick Stahl was a more convincing John Connor than the "I'm a badass, accept it" actors for this part. He actually struggles with this future he clearly states that he doesn't want. He does everything in his power to stop the apocalypse and even says that "He couldn't live with himself if he didn't at least try to stop it". For some reason I think the audience perceived this as weak (which to me is the total opposite if what it actually was). There is something strangely haunting about the end of this movie and I think it's actually a really good sequel. I would of preferred. My favorite character/actress is Claire Danes/Kate Brewster and thought she was a great addition to the story. I really wished they would of kept the actors in the franchise but I think Nick Stahl has burned out. This movie was right about the time his career peaked (there can always be more than 1 peak) with shows like Carnivale etc. I think claire danes has just flat moved on. Anyway, this will always be a cult classic for me anyway.
I missed it in theaters but caught it on cable in 2005 -- I didn't mind it. I felt it's ending brought the whole story full circle, especially that moment at the end where John is on the Ham radio and people are calling in ("This is Montana Civil Defense, is anyone there?" Etc.) And John answers "This is John Connor...I'm in charge." John's life had raced to his destiny.
Terminator 3 is a fun time. It doesnt stand up to the first two obviously, but its not a bad movie at all, very underrated. Its also a masterpiece compared to everything that has come out since.
@@ericallen789 I meant the Terminator as in THE Terminator. But yes, they did show that. I just meant the one starring in the movie. The one the audience cares about.
I loved this movie. She's my favorite terminator. I loved the crain scene just ripping up the asphalt and I love her ability to form into complex machines.
(Some spoilers here!) One of the problems with the sequels, especially after 3, is that they were too disjointed and disconnected from the first three. While they use many of the same themes and devices, and actually do improve on some, they get too wonky on how they're implemented and it doesn't make sense the timeline of things. For instance, in Salvation, they completely skip over John and Kate's emergence from the fallout shelter, and how they managed to create a resistance. John was, afterall, credited in the first movies as the one who started the resistance, prevented humans from being extinguished forever. To me, that's such a significant part of all the stories that it's a travesty to just skip right over it. It would also been interesting to see how the world military leaders managed to connect, and how they managed to connect with John. For me, Salvation wasn't that bad, either, it just had some connectivity problems. Genisys' biggest downdrop is the subversion of John in turning him into a terminator, that was really lame. I'm curious to hear what you think about Sarah Connor Chronicles, have you seen it? I thought it was quite good and was cut off way too soon.
I actually loved it. It was fun, funny, action packed and the ending threw everyone at opening day for a loop. Ultimately it had far too much to live up to.
Indeed, the time I understood what was going on and could comprehend the ending it hit me like a ton of bricks. Where instead of helping them get to Skynet's core, the 850 got them to a VIP shelter since he knew trying to shut SN down was futile.
All I remember this is. Fans after T3: This suuuuckkksss, give us something different. HW: Okay, here is T4 Salvation. Fans after T4: This suuuuucccckkkksss, you had a good formula, why change it?
Thank you. In some ways I think number three hits the right balance, the Terminator in number seemed too human and too much of a friend to young John Conner. As discussed, I did enjoy how this shows the beginning of judgement day and John leading the resistance from the bunker.
Fun fact: He's a T-850. You got that right, but it's a model 101 version of the T-850, which is Arnie's skin/face/body tissue over the endoskeleton. It's not a T-101. It's a model 101. Kinda like a Lariot model of the F-150 truck. Same chassis, different package.
To be fair, the movie itself screwed up the distinction. Arnie's line in the movie, when talking about the "Uncle Bob" Terminator from Judgment Day: "That was a different T-101."
The movie solved the otherwise paradoxical nature of 2's ending giving us a finale and making the whole series up to that point a loop which i think is cool. The acting was good and the Action was even better. Other than some of the disgusting looking cgi scenes. The Graveyard scene in particular is pretty kickass. I actually liked the talk to the hand gag as stiff robo arnie does it funnily and i find it to fit in and have a purpose as it shows us that the new T is more capable of mimicking human behavior from the get go without being rebooted or whatever. Which is further built upon in later bonding scenes. But i do agree that the ones after deserve lots of the hate they get. To me, I think it was a good movie and experience overall and dont see any reason for the hate it gets except maybe the not so good CGI. Im pretty sure the hate was just caused by bandwagoning and group think. It was cool to say it sucks so now it does. for me its a solid 4/5. The new cheesy Arnie one liners it produced alone make it good in my book. Shame that since this is a hated movie not everyone would get "talk to the hand".
I like the film, but the end left me wanting more.I wish the movies would focus on the beginning of the war. I just wish the end would have given us some of that part of the story. I read an old Terminator comic that was narrated from Skynet's perspective and it was very interesting. I liked the subtle facial expression from the TX that made me like her.
I like the time travel idea in this movie. It's like the whole time is a river thing. You can't change it, any attempt merely causes ripples that eventually sort themselves out.
because everyone on the internet considers themselves an intellectual superior to everyone else.... when honestly they're just the cyber version of the stereotypical pretentious art critic that wears the french beret
Terminator 3 was meh, not great, but not a bad movie. My only real issue with the movie is that I think it brought very little to the series that hadn't already been established, there was a lot of repackaged information and lore and almost nothing new. The best part of it for me was showing how Skynet came to be in control. At the end of the day if it is on TV, I will probably watch it, but I won't go out of my way. I do think Salvation was needed to wrap up the series because they left 3 without the correct closure but I wish it would have been done better. Genesys on the other hand was an utter shit show and not needed in any way shape or form, it was a pathetic attempt to try and reboot a series that frankly needed to end, the story was told, far too often we see entertainers beating a dead horse, some stories are best if they are short installments and all they do is milk it, end on a good note and move on to the next project.
Rise of the machines is the only "new" Terminator movie that can be compared to T1 and T2, number 4 was a complete mess and now with part 6.... wtf....
I have a few issues with the third. But they are casting more than story. It’s supposed to be Linda Hamilton’s story and they killed her offscreen. Shameful. I also think they should have kept Furlong as John Connor. Nothing wrong with dude who took over the role. He’s not a great actor but he’s serviceable. The core story is good in my opinion. It felt like a good closer to the modern story.
I think some didn't like T3 because John's character seemed like such a wimp compared to the bad ass he was in T2. Didn't Furlong have some rather unfortunate real-life problems btw? Can't recall offhand if it was booze, drugs or somesuch.
Furlong is something Arnold had to avoid due to his political ambitions of the time. Edward Furlong was junkie that isn't someone politicians want to associate with.
Ah so it was drugs that was the issue, thought it was something like that. Shame how some child actors seem to get destroyed by the movie industry. Perhaps we'll find out more about the why of this when Corey releases his docu/movie about the sordid inner workings of Hollywood.
Even if I never thought it was the greatest movie I thought it was an enjoyable flick and I did thoroughly enjoy Kristana as the TX. The TX design overall was pretty slick and a decent advancement of the concepts left behind with the T1000.
Dave, I enjoyed the film when it came out and really had little problems with it then and while it was not T2, it was its own movie, a continuation of the story, and a product of its time. I have enjoyed each of the first 4 Terminator films for various reasons. This one I feel gets a bad rap because it was following up a great cinematic achievement that was T2. Keep making the great videos!
I'm gonna guess before I watch this that your answer is no. The villain is underwhelming in her abilities, the film kind of falls apart at the end, but the actual ending is fine. Arnold is good in it. And Nick whatever his last name is, is a likeable enough lead. Plus the car chase scene with the firetruck is savage as hell.
No movie can give you childhood magic back. And that is people's biggest problem with this movie. I saw T2 when I was 11 nothing can compare to that. So don't compare. Just let it be its own thing.
You gave a fair review. T3 is a good way to continue the franchise. What's done with that continuation is beyond the scope of the T3 makers. I wonder if the lighting had something to do with the results? The first two Terminator movies had much of the action, and the climax at night. In T3 the climax and a lot of the significant action happened in daylight.
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2003: This movie is a DISGRACE !!
2019 and 3 more "attempts" later : You know..... It wasn't that bad
My theory is that Hollywood on purpose makes shitty movies then will make above average movies,to make lot's of money
Star Trek, Star Wars, Predator, Alien... There isn't a popular sci-fi franchise that isn't suffering from this effect of the latest installments being so much worse then what came before.
People try to inject "new ideas" into a franchise, which normally irritates anyone who has a working brain due to it either just badly copying its predecessors (Dark Fate), being confusing to avoid criticism of a lack of explanation (Genesys) or being so different in theme it can't be fully considered part of the same franchise (Salvation). T3 is mostly the same, but adds enough for it so be at least somewhat memorable - the expanded list of Resistance members, the inevitability of JD, and Kate.
I like to call this the Disney Star Wars effect, a phenomena where a studio will release a new entry into a classic and well beloved franchise and bastardise the source material to such a degree it forces fans to look back at previous unfavorable entries and appreciate them more. Everyone hated the prequel Trilogy but 2 SW rapes later fans love the prequels almost as much as the original trilogy. Genisys and Dark Fate are so bad that Rise of The Machines now feel like the true sequel to T2 Judgement Day
@@harryunderwood9387 Well, at least Salvation somewhat tried to evolve the franchise by going to the future instead of retreading the whole "Protecting the future leader of the resistance and time travel" shenanigans.
Funny how Hollywood produces such crap nowadays that past movies that were deemed mediocre at their time now seem like being pretty decent
exactly. you got the point
Exactly this. I was actually thinking this the other day, remembering past movies that I thought at the time were "meh" now seem like frigging masterpieces of cinema in comparison. Sadly I guess the standards have been lowered all around.
I guess it has something to do with the rise of the internet and social media. It democratizies things which isn't always a good thing. Basicly Hollywood can see first hand that a majority of the audience is content with low effort writing and narrative quality and the critics are easily pleased with inclusion of "progressive values/messages".
No joke, I set out to watch a deliberately bad movie a few months ago, but by the time I had reached midway through that CGI Scooby Doo movie, I was loving it. It used to be used as an example of a bad movie.
This is so true. I remmeber this movie was a total MEH when it was released, now compared to genysis it is decent lol
Then Terminator 6 comes out, Terminator 3 will look like pure Gold!
Especially if the rumor I heard turns out to be true, the same crap done to GB and Oceans *insert number here*.
*all female cast*
@@dalek9554 not really
Terminator 3 IS CANON ENDING TO ME
Dark fate will probably be at least better than Genisys and salvation and maybe terminator 3 James Cameron will be a producer though.
Just a small note: John doesn't have a drug problem in T3, he was in a motorcycle accident at the beginning of the film, but because he was living off the grid and didn't want any attention he broke into the vet's office to steal pain killers instead of going to the hospital where he could be tracked. Ever since the events of T2, he was cautious of whether or not he and his mom really did stop Judgement Day, he went off the grid specifically so SkyNet could not track him in the event SkyNet would come into existence, that's why the Terminator was sent to protect Kate Bruster, her location was known, but not John's location.
After all, his true objective was to take them to the safe house when they found him. There was someone else whom had an issue of why this Terminator didn't know John, was because Future Kate was the one whom rewrote this one and was in command of this T-800. Which is legit to me at least. After all, we did see the other one burn in the factory.
the t-850 was sent back to get both john and kate to safety, he tracked her down because her locations were in the records but not because that was his only objective. he followed kate's commands because kate was the one who reprogrammed him and sent him back, this model was developed and deployed to take advantage of john's emotional attachment to the t-800. although not explicitly stated in the film, it is made clear that the t-850 succeeded in his primary mission before being captured and reprogrammed. hence why kate programmed it and not john, john was already dead. it is also implied that kate programmed it not to answer certain questions from john to protect him from the knowledge that his protector was/is/will be his executioner.
Thx for pointing this out. I was like “drug problem? I don’t remember that in T3”
It was also sent by Kate Brewster because John was dead, the T-850 killed him. Kate reprogrammed it and sent it back to protect the two of them. This film was horrible.
@@Bitchslapper316 That doesn't make it horrible.
I always liked this movie, this is when the franchise ends for me. Plus the ending is awesome.
@Conrad Kujur after this ending, i really wanted to SEE the war or the aftermath of it.
EIN SWIFT salvation
@@WingsofHistory i saw Salvation as part of the start of the war but not the FULL OUT TOTAL WAR, like we saw in the intro of T1. cars burning, hundrads of T-800s marching and gunning down humans, John Conner Leading the last stronghold of Humanity in a bleek but hopefull battle for the future. not a fight, not a battle but a WAR lol
Exactly
I just finished watching it. I loved it, but I thought that the ending was quite depressing
I liked Terminator 3 because it had the balls to finally give us Judgement Day in one of the most powerful ending scenes I've ever seen on film.
Go an rewatch the T2 Sarah dream nuke and compare it to T3's sterile CGI Judgement Day scene and tell me wich scene is more impactful?
I think I'll skip T6, hold my nose, & see the disaster aka Star Wars episode 9.
stan broniszewski ...those 2 movies are going to be trainwrecks from the trailers i saw. Ill still go and see it but will know not to expect anything great
@@BishopGantry good point but still the ending was done well. And we got to see skynets takeover, although i could of a better scene for that
@@robdcollector2808 People like you are the reason why Hollywood is turning out crap. Stop giving them money.
"...[John Connor] is an adult now, with a drug problem..."
In other words, the character mirrors Eddie Furlong's life choices.
never had a drug problem he was trying to get pain pills although I'm surprised he hasn't turned to drugs or better yet killed himself after the all the shit he went through.
@@tryingbutfailing I always assumed pain pill, but antibiotics makes sense as well. Either way, not a drug addict like the narrator suggests.
Sad that this “reviewer” assumed he had a drug problem and couldn’t realise they were just being used to control pain and healing as he fell of his motorcycle and still needed to stay off the grid
@@gujit unbelievably pathetic that the "reviewer" didn't know that!!
So Nick Sthall's.
This movie was Citizen Kane compared to Dark Fate.
Amen
Dark Fate makes Teletubbies look like Citizen Kane
Amen
Na it sucked just as much if not more and this guy is looking back at it with rose tinted glasses. Also I doubt you even seen dark fate before typing this comment.
Not even this was the worst one.
I don't think it was that bad. When I saw the sequel, my reaction was "OK, they didn't have to, but if they're gonna do it, this is good enough". And with Salvation I actually got excited about the franchise. Then 5 and 6 happened.
I enjoyed the concept of salvation but not the execution. Had they kept the original ending that got leaked though I think it could have been incredible
Geçen günlerde bütün seriyi baştan izledim.Anlamadığım en büyük konu şu oldu,2.filmden sonra ne alaka mizahı bu kadar abartmışlar.Bu film biraz ciddi olsa terminatör emekli albay gibi davranmasa gayet okey aslında.Salvationın kötü olmama sebebi de bana göre 1 ve 2. Filmin ciddiliğine geri dönmeleri olması.Selamlar ve sevgiler
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Have you seen the Terminator Salvation Machinema Series? I owned it on DVD once, and BOY is it good....
@@ellugerdelacruz2555 I have it I thought it was ok. It was better than the game but still didn’t feel right
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Yeah, but it's still dear to my heart.
Imagine what it could've looked like if they used the Unreal Engine...
This and salvation are still more watchable than dark fate can ever hope to be.
Dark fate is deff the third best film in terms of these films. But salvation is my third fav of the films after t1 and t2. But even the reviewers who hate dark fate admit it’s the best since t2
Casey Moore is it crack u smoke?
@@MKultraInstinct
D Fate was the equivalent of trash
I hate T3 but at least it wasnt serious. This is why I hate Salvation more that movie is serious as a fuckin funeral.
T3 is the beginning of the "crap-quel" where no attempt is made to develop a good movie only Cash is the goal
I agree. T3 is underrated and over-hated.
Nope...Not UnderRated...But is better than Genysis ...
For me the franchise ends with T3 just me
Agreed, also the villainess is badass
@@ryans413
This was never supposed to be a Franchise...T-2 completed the Story with a Happy Ending...The Rest are complete Garbage...
Proper Duction Your right but T3 got made anyways and for me it’s a good trilogy cause the way T3 ends wraps it up nicely. T2 only postponed it T3 it actually happened at the end.
I liked this one. Don't understand the hate towards it.
It’s certainly better then most of the films that followed, salvation is the one I like that others dislike.
I liked it since it came out at the right time of my life to enjoy this kind of film. I think it's an OK movie with a great ending. That ending alone is enough to warrant a watch, at least once.
@@m.a.4500 Furlong was annoying as hell..hated him in T2.
@@m.a.4500 Its not entirely the actor's fault, he was scripted as a troubled guy, whining too much. Someone like Sam Worthington to play John would be nicer, tough.
Too much comedy for fans I guess. I liked it though
I love the ending , as the bombs drop John in his monologue reminds us that the mission (even in T2) Was never to stop Skynet but to survive the attack , a fact that we forget because we get so into the movie , bombs drop we get one last look at the T850 eyes goes black and so does the screen and Terminator Theme plays , perfect!
The ending has a feeling of dread and sadness but also hope , same as T1 when Sarah drives away in the jeep , yes , she survives and John will be born but the war will happen and people will die no matter what , i love T3 , im just glad people are now seeing how good it was , sad it took a bad reboot for people to notice
MrJ Pmosh the ending was done really well. I wish I could watch it for the first time again because when I first watched it, it was such a twist that I wasn’t even expecting.
MrJ Pmosh the ending was done really well. I wish I could watch it for the first time again because when I first watched it, it was such a twist that I wasn’t even expecting.
I enjoyed this movie watched it several times, Female terminator is stunning.
Not only stunning but also stunningly brave.
Did you just assume its gender?
@@yoyoyo3531 get off of that fucking feminist bullshit
@@3dpoollvr its called a joke moron, and your comment makes no sense either as what I said has nothing to do with feminism. More to do with the bs of people thinking they can be any gender you want.
@@somemedic8482 dude its a movie brave are you stuck on stupid how can an actor thats acting in a movie be brave its acting
I always liked it. The girl terminator was badass and so hot.
O ye😍😍
OMFG Soooooo HOT >8D
The Female Terminator's performance was MARVELOUSLY UNBELIEVABLE AWESOME! Kristian Loken should have been in the last Terminator movie! Loken set the new standard. Her performance can't be matched!
@@emmapeeljohnsteed3284 She was great yes... But Robert Patricks T-1000 is unmatched!
@@dukeboomer9282 Yes, you are correct!
it was okay. It was entertaining and good compared to today movies
exactly how I would summarize it
I believe the ending to T3 was one of the best endings in movie history. It’s good storytelling coupled with a certain perspective on life that we all can take away from.
It’s cheap and lazy
@@xyoungdipsetx It wasn't cheap at all.
I feel like the T-X and the actress playing it do a good job.
While Patrick had menace, especially given that he impersonated a cop, someone that is supposed to protect us, Kristanna had a creepy factor a la uncanny valley. Her dead eyed stare and slight smirk in pretty much all scenarios works, in my opinion. It's similar but slightly different to the T-1000. It assumes the shape of someone unassuming and seems to have a slightly sadistic side, juxtaposed to Arnold's matter-of-fact deadpan delivery.
Just look at any of the still shots of the T-X staring. Slightly unsettling.
I enjoyed T3 but please dont compare the TX actress compared to Robert Patrick
Patrick ironically was a 1000x time better villian
The T-X is basically all the multiple roles it's previous terminators fullfilled (being closer to Cameron's vision of what an infiltrator would be) plus a more effective way of controlling the polymemetic alloy (in the original timeline skynet had to discontinue the t-1000 production because he had no way to control it's AI from learning at a faster rate) plus it has blueprints of other Terminators and since it had a better connection to the internet (in the script to T3 it linked with Skynet via phone) it provided it with information on how to create the t-800 earlier and info about John and his resistance. So yeah plothole for Salvation solved.
The hybrids in salvation had a prototype of the chip that would become the learning computer of the t-800.
@@selemanecu i haven't watched past whatever the 4th one was called, and I barely remember it.
I won't be touching the new ones with a 10 foot pole.
@@Dilo22 I won't force you but I hope you check out the game Terminator Resistance and it's DLCs they are largely inspired by the first two movies but plot points, themes and a couple of ideas from T3 and Salvation are used there as well! If you didn't like the Feedback you've heard from Dark Fate this game might change your mind big time!
@@selemanecu you won't force me? You can't force me. Lmao
*T2:* Cool robot guys, badass chases & action scenes!👍🏾
*T3:* HOT Robot Chick!😎
And they should've stopped there
I actually liked salvation a lot. Wasn’t perfect, but I liked that they tried a new direction.
@daryl howard Bale made a decent connor
For me salvation is tied with dark date for the 3rd best film. Salvation is the only film to truly give us something new and every fan wants to see a legit future war movie. Salvation isn’t the future war they always tease in cut scenes but it’s close enough.
And the director had Stan Winston studios plus tons of practical effects on their side.
Kristanna Loken was a great terminator for the most part, and Claire Danes did a good job despite that silly Mike Kripke's basement connection. It is a masterpiece, compared to what came after it, although Salvation was entertaining.
except for genesis cus fuck genesis
He didn't develop a drug problem, he fell off a motorcycle and broke into the veterinary clinic because he needed to take something for the pain but didn't want to show up on any grid
I totally agree with this assessment i enjoyed T3 and have rewatched it many times. What the franchise did afterwards is the real turkey's.
I agree as well. It isn't a great film, but it is solid and doesn't destroy what came before it. Plus, I prefer the idea that you can't change the past. You can only tinker at the edges. So, Skynet and Humanity are really playing a game where the result is ordained even if the methods and causes change some.
One problem I had with two, and it was continued in three and Genisys, is the use of Terminators in flashbacks as ubiquitous soldiers. The original movie had all sorts of other types of HK's and Terminators were simply infiltration units. I always had the feeling they were meant to be extremely expensive to make and not something you build thousands of.
Yet this movie negates John's importance, and he could easily be replaced by a military boyfriend who witnessed the scenes at the base, and has had refresher courses in how to handle himself on a daily basis, weapons training, tactics, etc. Since John seems not only lacking in practice for quite a few years, but utterly forgetful of virtually everything he learned under his mothers tutelage.
It also corrupts and reverses the message. Going from you can change the future, "the future is what you make it," to, "the future is set." This message further negates the importance of John, as it implies he cannot stop his inevitable death, and as such, his very existence is assuring the cycle completes its full circle, giving all the more reason to tossing him out in favour of a joker's wild card of someone else with active tactical and weapons training, alongside other skills like hacking (or just coding)...which again would have been plentiful from the officer classes on the base her father worked on, and it wouldn't take rocket science to figure out what his new mission would be after they escape the bunker, let alone find motivation to hide in a bunker as there is no way to stop the launch.
Alexander Langella well its true what you said but its all a what if. The real story isnt about whether John poseses any skills at all. It all boiled down to chance and the fate of John being in the rigjt place at the right time. The whole story is totally about getting John into that specific bunker. Why is that not because he had skill it was because of what that particular bunker was. This bunker was suppose to be where the President and top leaders of the millitary were to lead in case of what was happening. John being the one there to answer the calls is what put him in charge of everything. So it was guided from the very beginning for him to be in that specific place to take leadership not because he had skills. It was a destiny or fate to be in the right place at the right time.
Ken Jett I know. Salvation is when it started to go downhill and Genesis would be the worst, but it wasn’t because he gave me what I wanted, Schwarzenegger as the terminator.
I always loved T3 and didn't understand why so many thought it was bad. I'll admit, it did suffer from "been there, done that," and sitting in theaters, I was much more impressed with T2 in 1991 than I was with T3 years later. But I still thought it was very good and there is one important aspect that I think it actually does better. I find the characters in T3 very likable. In T2, I was naturally compelled to cheer on the humans trying to hold off the apocalypse, but honestly, Sarah was kind of crazy, and John was a smart ass punk. I didn't dislike them, per se, but I didn't find them endearing either.
She was wonderful as the Terminatrix. Completely underrated and deserves a critical reassessment.
On the other hand you got Arnold being totally dumb and not funny as T800. Its even worse when you realize how much he developed in T2 and became more human
T3 just show what a bad re-hash of 2 it is
Genisys made Terminator 3 look good.
Dark Fate: "hold my beer"
Too bad visuals is all it has going for it
They are equally bad?
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John Conner : *Cough* *Cough*
@@socksman9968 Dark fate is sadly worse than terminator 3. You have to fully turn your brain off to enjoy dark fate at all.
Genisys is a million times worse than dark fate
My only real problem with this movie is that it completely changed the theme from the previous movie. T2's theme was "There is no fate but the one you make", but T3 turns around and says, "Nope! You have no choice in the matter." Once I was able to accept that change T3 became a much more enjoyable experience for me. I actually like the idea of Skynet being the virus that ultimately became the reason Skynet was turned on. Plus, this movie gets a huge boost in entertainment when you watch it with the RiffTrax commentary!
More than just that. It also negates the entire value and point of John Conner. Think about it. Given fate is absolute, he's unable to control the terminator, and we know he'll eventually lead to his inevitable death, that his wife is actually the TRUE savior of mankind, and that John merely serves as her trainer, something that any military man from that base who witnessed the events and escaped with her could have trained her in...and quite a bit better I might add given John is clearly out of practice for years, has forgotten much of what he was trained in, and is kind of a louse compared to the more self-determined version of himself we left off with at the end of T2.
His very existence, and that the war is clearly ongoing and inevitable means the only way to assure anything can change is to throw a veritable monkey wrench into the mix and remove him and replace him with a different guy who has similar training but a different mindset going in. Granted that could mean the death of humanity, but being a gamble, it could mean skynet actually dies.
It also makes zero sense that John was picked up before his wife when it's his wife who is the target, and the T-850 should have no idea what model he's up against. The T-X's abilities are also too perfect to fill in obvious gaps in the continuity, and while cool and make for some great story as a standalone film, it's just in poor taste as it means skynet is its own savior and builder, not really humans who invoke and create it themselves...though with its own technology.
Nevermind there wasn't an inkling of solid explanation for why skynet still exists. Plenty of options they could have gone with, even for the time. Recovered data from Dyson's shot up hdd which is possible in the 90's at the consumer level. Or the owner of the company, being under military contract had data files copied and stored elsewhere that Dyson wasn't aware of, offsite, likely linked to the military, which would have served as the best explanation for continuity purposes.
John Conner being the savior of humanity was always the weakest and silliest plot point of the Terminator movies. If John gets bumped off, there won't be a single worthy man on earth left to fight the machines? Come on... When you think about it, the only two people who talk up John that way are his own mother and father. What parents don't want to think highly of their own child?
@@thomasn3882 that was actually answered well in Genisys. Conner had knowledge of the future.
@Bimbo Jimbo can't argue with that.
I actually preferred the time travel concept in T3 over T1 and T2 because it makes more sense to me that the timeline changes each time you send a Terminator back. I thought the opening line of T2 was not truthful. "Skynet sent 2 Terminators back." Well, why stop at 2? Why not send an entire army to kill Sarah Connor in 1984? Why not send the T-1000 to 1984 if they had the technology already? Reese would not be able to beat the T-1000 for sure but might beat the T-800.
It makes more sense that Skynet only sent one Terminator back in the original timeline to 1984 and Reese being sent back changed John's father to Reese.
Then the events of T1 changed the timeline and when Skynet was about to lose again, they have a newer model in the T-1000 so they try again in T2.
The T-1000 fails and it changes the timeline resulting in the events of T3 with the TX being sent back in time.
Terminator 3 is The Return of the Jedi to Terminator 2s Empire Strikes Back.
Not as good as the second movie but gives a finality to the trilogy.
Yeah just like your example says it had a lot to live up to .
@@johnglue1744 T3 also finally explains what type of time travel theory they were using. T2 ended with the thought that victory in the past would just make an alternate timeline without judgement day.
Yet T3 was like; Nope. Closed loop timeline. Judgement day will happen no matter what. In the words of Thanos, " It is inevitable."
Except that ROTJ is a much better film than T3. So comparing ROTJ to T3, is doing a disservice to ROTJ imo.
@@Romans8-9 This is true but T3 isnt nearly as bad as most make out.
@@johnglue1744 I think its because the bar has been lowered so much that it doesn´t seem too bad now. I remember seeing it back in 03 thinking it was mediocre, I´ve seen it a few times since and never liked it tbh.
After T6, any terminator movie with John Connor in it is a good movie.
This doesn't have John Connor in it, they replaced him with That Yellow Bastard.
TX was smoking. Movie holds up well especially compared to the trash films that followed including the new one.
I liked Terminator 3. It enjoyed its humor in the face of hopelessness.
"Your levity is good. It relieves tension and the fear of death." - The Terminator, from Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines
I liked T3, it's definitely more and more worth watching after T4, Genysis, and eventually Dark Fate. I like T3's story, the idea that Skynet was postponed but inevitable just adds to the helplessness
Dark Fate was shit, watch the spoiler reviews that were just released, it's a fucking flaming dumpster.
terminator 1 and 2 are the only terminator films we needed anyway .
Unfortunatelly yes. Maybe Only 1 more in the future paradox , but directed and writen by Cameron 10 years ago
not enough
Well true. To bad it couldn’t have been better done but that’s show biz.
@@tryingbutfailing EXACTLY! Plus we didn't need the whole "Robo-dad" stuff in Terminator 2 either. People slam Terminator 3 for some of the out of place humor, yet they forget how Terminator 2 also had ridiculous humor in it and it fact was the film that started the slapstick humor that followed in the later films.
If T1 was canon and nothing else I'd be fine with it. Trying to change the future just doesn't work. If humans have to survive the apocalypse, they'll have to, and they can survive again and not be so lazy and careless in result waking the fuck up. T2 has a special place in my heart but I'll agree it's in some ways no different from the sequels after it that people dread.
Frankly, the T-X was far more T-Sex for me.
She was damn hot for sure.
The T-X "Terminatrix" was the entire point of the movie, really.
Damn straight man. She was Mega Hot!!
@Akelo I do hope she's fully functional in all areas, if you get my meaning.
She was great, more original tnen cameron i never heard of in that tv show
The main problem that I have with this movie is that it completely changed the narrative. Both T1 and T2 were based on the idea that the future isn't set in stone and humanity holds its fate in its hands in every single moment. This was a strong motivator for the human characters and made the viewer want to root for them, becasue it seemed their success is being decided in every single scene they are in. In T3 this idea was totally abandoned, and because of that the human characters had no agency, they were like people riding on a rollercoaster through the story, because it was all predefined and set in stone. "Judgement Day is inevitable", as the T-850 clearly stated to John. This completely removed John's agency as a hero and turned him into a helpless victim of his surroundings and of history that has been already written.
Agreed. T3's message was "shit happens, we just deal with it". Which means that any stakes in future movies are gone. No matter what they do in the present, Skynet will happen, John Connor will die, and the Terminator will be sent back to try and kill him. But even if they do, it doesn't matter, as further established in Dark Fate when a new savior arises. All of it is just destiny and there's no point in trying.
As bad as Genesys and dark fate was T3 always take the prize of being the worst in the franchise.
I loved the T-X as an adversary they shouldve done more with her.
I thought this film was just ok, but more to the point is it was completely unnecessary for it to be made. The first two films were perfect on their own
There's actually a great fan edit of this called "Terminator 3: The Coming Storm" that fixes the tone by removing all the cheesy humor. It's great.
Where I can find it?
@@justaloner9033 There may or may not be a copy on TPB.
Sounds good. But the cinematography was OP in T2.
Damn I’d literally miss the stripper glasses
Aww but I liked the cheesy 🧀humor 😁
The Sunglasses were a bad idea.
The ending was a brilliant idea.
I think Terminator 3 is a great film and boy that badass girl was so gorgeous and brilliant at playing the part. Just watched it last night and for it to follow the 2nd film was more than enough eyecandy, action, special effects, great acting and great story.
This movie was amazing the twist ending wow brilliant
Now the twist ending is "you dont need no man, wahmen power!"
@@Sixstringman hahaha I hate that shit honestly
@@neoluthuli3254 The only people who like that shit are Hollywood, Rottentomatoes critics, and those 30 or so SJW weirdos on Twitter who are offended at literally everything.
@@asdf51501 Well said mate
@Requiem4aDr3Am Hahaha...honesty I can't say I remember tis been a while since I've watched T3 but atleast it didn't shit on the lore
I liked T-3 and it’s Plot twist
Sue me
I did too, I thought it was better than T2's conclusion. Humanity should just deal with their fuck up, not try to undo it.
nope. I'll be in court to help pay yr costs 😅😅
*After* *watching* *Dark* *Fate* *:*
HOLY SHIT!!!
This Movie ( T-3 ) is a Gift from Heaven just because it didnt kill John Conner...
The Game did, but future John was killed instead of past john
Honestly the killing of John really made a lot more sense then people are admitting. They stopped the skynet future in t2 so it makes sense that he isn’t important anymore and a new future was set in motion. It’s like nukes. The world was guaranteed to have nukes developed, if it hadn’t been us it would have been someone like the Germans. Hell even day to day tech is always a race to get the new gen out before the competition. Even if you stop Sony from making the next gen tv..... another company is developing the same type of next gen tv
@@caseymoore4759 yea, but I love the approach of t3 about how you can't stop your fate and it must continue one way or another, wish they remaster t3 and continue from there
Miguel GC Gamer dark fate has the same plot though but in a more realistic way if you think about. I’ve been using the nuclear bomb analogy.
In t3 it comes down to no matter what is done some how skynet gets developed. Makes no sense. It’s like saying no matter what happened the iPhone would have been developed even if you got rid of its creators. That’s nonsense.
Dark fate t2 successfully stopped skynet. But the same road was taken in terms of technology which just created a new future with a completely diff ai intelligence which technically is more realistic.
Back to the nuke analogy I mentioned. We weren’t the only ones trying to develop nukes. If the American team who created the first wasn’t successful for whatever reason someone else would have been but it wouldn’t be the same nuke design as our team because it would have been developed by someone else. Which of you think about it makes the d day caused by legion and a new resistance leader more realistic
I honestly wouldn’t have minded if they kill John Conner however I hate how they killed him off like he meant nothing as if they hadn’t spent the entire past 5 movies making his survival and existence the most important thing
Well terminator 3 was 10 time better then this last one.
Really wasn’t lol
S G i agree. Terminator: Rise of the Machines is WAY better than Terminator: Bark Fake.
@@caseymoore4759 it really is..
What people forget is that the first two movies were rated for adults whereas every other sequels are suitable for kids. This is one of the reasons they aren’t as good.
Terminator 1 had a lengthy sex scene and Terminator 2 had a lot of swearing. So yes you're right. They were far more "mature".
Terminator 1-2 was rated R. The rest are PG13. Nuff said
@Joel Hicks Indeed. How quickly people forget.
Terminator 3 was rated R you moron they showed the T-X's ass & tits, her arm shoved thru a guys chest similar to terminator 1 etc....
In the UK, T3 was rated 12, while The Terminator was rated 18 and T2 was given a 15 rating (with cuts) when they came out. R rated movies usually range between 15 and 18 but never 12. I have no idea how T3 got an R rating in the US.
If T3 wasn’t that funny,and a little bit darker,it would be almost like T2
Better than Genisis...
na too easy... ;-)
SideshowBoB44 yeah that movie was trash
i only got about 15 mins into it before i couldn't watch that shambles any longer
I disagree
why
John didn't have a drug problem, he was injured in the bike crash and stopped at the surgery to steal painkillers/antibiotics.
Yeah. I never understood people complaining about that. He clearly was hurt after he crashed. He needed medicine. I don't know how people miss that he wasn't a druggie.
Screw the haters, I thought T3 was awesome.
Same here
I only think Dark Fate sucked
Kristian Loken's performance was UNBELIEVABLE MARVELOUS. She set the new standard like Allan Rickman did for "DIE HARD 1"!
Guyincognito - YOU SPEAK THE TRUTH THAT T3 WAS AWESOME. THE HATERS ARE IGNORANT.
Cameron should not ignore T3 imo, it is still part of the original terminator trilogy and it wraps up the whole story. Because really, T2 shows a hopeful ending that to me just felt too good to be true. T3 comes full circle by showing Judgement day was not avoided but just moved back. And it ends by showing for the first time the Actual judgement day. Bad or good as a movie, storywise it feels integral to the overall plot.
Salvation I don't care about and Genesys I prefer to believe is just a joke.
skynet should dial back a couple generations, eliminating the grandparents of connor.
I bet if you do a cut where the bar and "talk to the hand" scenes were taken out and just have Arnie turn up out of the blue (we don't need to know how he got this clothes for the 3rd time) it would actually make for a better film. The scenes where an awfully misjudged comedy moment that completely killed the movie for me when I saw it all those years ago.
I agree with all of that Kevin, but would also like to add that I feel that making arnie's a more advanced version of the previous 2 iterations of him greatly hurts the film.
The inclusions of the nuke powercells is just bad as it only really serves to be a maguffin to allow him to win at the end [which also required that he be hacked in the first place to corrupt his programming as otherwise he couldn't have self-terminated,] but also really messes with both T-1 and T-2 as if the powersource had been used in that model skynet would have won both times [would have nuked when crushed in the press, or when the T-1000 pierced it in the foundry.]
There is a fan edit called The Coming Storm that fixes all those issues. Removes all the goofy bits and makes the film flow smoother like a long chase film almost.
The Video Game Terminator 3: The Redemption also re-did many scenes including that one.
@Crow550: That edit is a vast improvement.
Rod Bowler Yeah it is.
Akinokaze Haruichiban : can we get rid of the “you’re a good terminator, not a bad one! Remember!” Moment too?
John Connor: But you'll find a way to stop her, right?
The terminator: Not likely, I'm an obsolete design.
But I enjoyed terminator 3, it's the third best movie in the series.
To me, the best part was how machines and humans behaved how they were supposed to. Arnold's character mantained an emotionless and serious face throughout the entirety of the movie and he realized the true danger of Skynet. While on T2, the robot still shows some human traits, in this one both Arnold and the woman don't even show signs of pain. To me, the fight on the bathroom was one of the best I'd ever seen.
And the ending of Terminator 3 was flawless. Though I'd want to see a proper sequel to it. What happens 30 years from then? Will there be any survivors? Will the machines be hunting them like T2 predicted it? Or both machines and humans were practically wiped out and Brewster and Connor are the only survivors plus their children? What do they do for entretainment in the bunker (besides sex)? How long did their rations last?
Honestly, amazing ending but still leaves a lot of questions that could be explored in a proper sequel
Genesys: Hey, wanna see me vandalize the legacy of a beloved franchise?
Dark Fate: Hold my lady drink.
Can’t wait terminator 7 blank blank garbage.
Rachel&John Hyatt can’t wait for James Cameron to retcon Dark Fate while promoting T7
So uhh.....why do you hate women
@@VadersFist95 what makes you ask that? Sarah Conner was brilliant, Cameron was brilliant, Kristina Loken and Shirley Manson were brilliant. We don't hate women, just bad writing. Don't be that person
I enjoyed 3 as a kid but the thing about the future being “inevitable” does contradict the idea of “There’s no fate but what we make for ourselves.”
New..clear. New...clear. Nuclear. Not nukular, for Pete's sake!
It is a common mistake. Probably an extrapolation of the word 'nuke' with 'leer' dumped on the end. Two words that both have negative connotations. The words 'New' and 'Clear' both have positive connotations that don't appropriately describe such a thing.
ye, except it is a derivation from a word "nucleus" which describes scientific principle behind the weapon
Knuckler?
If you type nucular into Google, the first thing that pops up is a picture of George Bush. Hilarious.
Different people pronounce different words differently. Ffs, are people even getting offended about accents & pronunciation now?
i didnt think the movie was that bad, but the thing that did bring it down alot was the girl terminator. she just wasnt as scary as the t-1000 from judgement day.
that terminator just made me think, when i first saw this movie, "bro, how are they gonna beat this thing? " it just seemed completely unstoppable. the girl seemed like kinda a pushover.
one of my favorite things about this movie was the scene where she killed those kids, because its the first time in the series i remember seeing how ruthless the terminators were.
edit: he did bring up the point about this terminator not being as scary, which is cool
I quite liked T3.
But the worst thing about it was the lack of action music during the action scenes! These scenes just felt empty!
exactly what i thought
I thought Terminator 3 was the last good Terminator movie, although not as good as the first two.
In both versions Linda Hamilton play's herself as a corpse. Now she looks like the walking dead!
The Sentinel
Com'on, that almost anorexic body in T2 was sexy as fuck.
@@Pube83 Nah. Not with those pancake tits. Too skinny for me.
I always really liked this film and felt like I was in the minority at the time. I definitely cringed my way through salvation. I always thought that Nick Stahl was a more convincing John Connor than the "I'm a badass, accept it" actors for this part. He actually struggles with this future he clearly states that he doesn't want. He does everything in his power to stop the apocalypse and even says that "He couldn't live with himself if he didn't at least try to stop it". For some reason I think the audience perceived this as weak (which to me is the total opposite if what it actually was). There is something strangely haunting about the end of this movie and I think it's actually a really good sequel. I would of preferred. My favorite character/actress is Claire Danes/Kate Brewster and thought she was a great addition to the story. I really wished they would of kept the actors in the franchise but I think Nick Stahl has burned out. This movie was right about the time his career peaked (there can always be more than 1 peak) with shows like Carnivale etc. I think claire danes has just flat moved on. Anyway, this will always be a cult classic for me anyway.
I watch this movie a lot of times when i was a kid
I actually liked it myself.
It's better than the ones they made after it...
I actually enjoy this one more than genysis. Salvation was not that bad either, just different.
Salvation is boring.
I missed it in theaters but caught it on cable in 2005 -- I didn't mind it. I felt it's ending brought the whole story full circle, especially that moment at the end where John is on the Ham radio and people are calling in ("This is Montana Civil Defense, is anyone there?" Etc.) And John answers "This is John Connor...I'm in charge."
John's life had raced to his destiny.
This now seems like an Oscar winner after dark fate
Terminator 3 is a fun time. It doesnt stand up to the first two obviously, but its not a bad movie at all, very underrated.
Its also a masterpiece compared to everything that has come out since.
I agree. I never understood why there was so much hate against this movie. I had a thoroughly good time watching it in the theatre
Why is it only the original that ever showed the Terminator looking the most bad ass, with no skin?
?????
there were scenes from the future in T2 and T3 that showed swarms of skinless T-800's
@@ericallen789 I meant the Terminator as in THE Terminator. But yes, they did show that. I just meant the one starring in the movie. The one the audience cares about.
If the last three films were bad dreams then Dark Fate was a fucking nightmare.
I loved this movie. She's my favorite terminator. I loved the crain scene just ripping up the asphalt and I love her ability to form into complex machines.
(Some spoilers here!) One of the problems with the sequels, especially after 3, is that they were too disjointed and disconnected from the first three. While they use many of the same themes and devices, and actually do improve on some, they get too wonky on how they're implemented and it doesn't make sense the timeline of things. For instance, in Salvation, they completely skip over John and Kate's emergence from the fallout shelter, and how they managed to create a resistance. John was, afterall, credited in the first movies as the one who started the resistance, prevented humans from being extinguished forever. To me, that's such a significant part of all the stories that it's a travesty to just skip right over it. It would also been interesting to see how the world military leaders managed to connect, and how they managed to connect with John. For me, Salvation wasn't that bad, either, it just had some connectivity problems. Genisys' biggest downdrop is the subversion of John in turning him into a terminator, that was really lame.
I'm curious to hear what you think about Sarah Connor Chronicles, have you seen it? I thought it was quite good and was cut off way too soon.
Please review Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles. I think it was better than everything that followed T2.
oh man I forgot about that show. Agreed. Some good material there.
That's not saying a lot lol
Ah yes, Cameron Phillips.
I loved that show . Shame they cancelled it for Dollhouse
That last episode tho..
John Connor did not have a drug problem in T3. He only broke into the vet shop for medication to remedy his wound from the motorcycle crash.
Kristana Loken & all her beauty saved this movie
Da
I actually loved it. It was fun, funny, action packed and the ending threw everyone at opening day for a loop. Ultimately it had far too much to live up to.
Indeed, the time I understood what was going on and could comprehend the ending it hit me like a ton of bricks. Where instead of helping them get to Skynet's core, the 850 got them to a VIP shelter since he knew trying to shut SN down was futile.
Tx is not a cyborg shes just a robot cuz she has no human tissue
ROTM was a masterpiece compared to Genisys and Dork Fate.
All I remember this is.
Fans after T3: This suuuuckkksss, give us something different.
HW: Okay, here is T4 Salvation.
Fans after T4: This suuuuucccckkkksss, you had a good formula, why change it?
T3 is the Star Wars Prequels of Terminator movies, it was bad until we could see how bad the series could actually get
T3 and salvation = star wars prequels
Genisys and dark fate = TFA and TLJ.
Thank you. In some ways I think number three hits the right balance, the Terminator in number seemed too human and too much of a friend to young John Conner.
As discussed, I did enjoy how this shows the beginning of judgement day and John leading the resistance from the bunker.
Fun fact: He's a T-850. You got that right, but it's a model 101 version of the T-850, which is Arnie's skin/face/body tissue over the endoskeleton. It's not a T-101. It's a model 101. Kinda like a Lariot model of the F-150 truck. Same chassis, different package.
To be fair, the movie itself screwed up the distinction. Arnie's line in the movie, when talking about the "Uncle Bob" Terminator from Judgment Day: "That was a different T-101."
The movie solved the otherwise paradoxical nature of 2's ending giving us a finale and making the whole series up to that point a loop which i think is cool. The acting was good and the Action was even better. Other than some of the disgusting looking cgi scenes. The Graveyard scene in particular is pretty kickass. I actually liked the talk to the hand gag as stiff robo arnie does it funnily and i find it to fit in and have a purpose as it shows us that the new T is more capable of mimicking human behavior from the get go without being rebooted or whatever. Which is further built upon in later bonding scenes. But i do agree that the ones after deserve lots of the hate they get. To me, I think it was a good movie and experience overall and dont see any reason for the hate it gets except maybe the not so good CGI. Im pretty sure the hate was just caused by bandwagoning and group think. It was cool to say it sucks so now it does. for me its a solid 4/5. The new cheesy Arnie one liners it produced alone make it good in my book. Shame that since this is a hated movie not everyone would get "talk to the hand".
I like the film, but the end left me wanting more.I wish the movies would focus on the beginning of the war. I just wish the end would have given us some of that part of the story. I read an old Terminator comic that was narrated from Skynet's perspective and it was very interesting. I liked the subtle facial expression from the TX that made me like her.
I like the time travel idea in this movie. It's like the whole time is a river thing. You can't change it, any attempt merely causes ripples that eventually sort themselves out.
Terminator 3 made sense tho, it brought the story full circle, you can't have t1 and t2 if t3 didn't happen
Outside of the Internet, I’ve never encountered someone who actually thought this film was bad.
because everyone on the internet considers themselves an intellectual superior to everyone else.... when honestly they're just the cyber version of the stereotypical pretentious art critic that wears the french beret
OMG, you took the words out of my mouth. Consider that it was a box office success, it doesn't fit the angry nerd "bad movie" narrative at all.
Terminator 3 was meh, not great, but not a bad movie. My only real issue with the movie is that I think it brought very little to the series that hadn't already been established, there was a lot of repackaged information and lore and almost nothing new. The best part of it for me was showing how Skynet came to be in control. At the end of the day if it is on TV, I will probably watch it, but I won't go out of my way. I do think Salvation was needed to wrap up the series because they left 3 without the correct closure but I wish it would have been done better. Genesys on the other hand was an utter shit show and not needed in any way shape or form, it was a pathetic attempt to try and reboot a series that frankly needed to end, the story was told, far too often we see entertainers beating a dead horse, some stories are best if they are short installments and all they do is milk it, end on a good note and move on to the next project.
i thought there could be no terminator movie as bad as genesis until dark fate came out
Rise of the machines is the only "new" Terminator movie that can be compared to T1 and T2, number 4 was a complete mess and now with part 6.... wtf....
Fully agree with this review.
T3 was a pretty good movie
I liked Terminator 3. While the first two were the best, it was a decent follow up.
I have a few issues with the third. But they are casting more than story. It’s supposed to be Linda Hamilton’s story and they killed her offscreen. Shameful.
I also think they should have kept Furlong as John Connor. Nothing wrong with dude who took over the role. He’s not a great actor but he’s serviceable.
The core story is good in my opinion. It felt like a good closer to the modern story.
I think some didn't like T3 because John's character seemed like such a wimp compared to the bad ass he was in T2.
Didn't Furlong have some rather unfortunate real-life problems btw? Can't recall offhand if it was booze, drugs or somesuch.
Furlong is something Arnold had to avoid due to his political ambitions of the time. Edward Furlong was junkie that isn't someone politicians want to associate with.
Ah so it was drugs that was the issue, thought it was something like that. Shame how some child actors seem to get destroyed by the movie industry. Perhaps we'll find out more about the why of this when Corey releases his docu/movie about the sordid inner workings of Hollywood.
The dialogue wasn’t thought out. “Are you here to kill me?” Ridiculous
Even if I never thought it was the greatest movie I thought it was an enjoyable flick and I did thoroughly enjoy Kristana as the TX. The TX design overall was pretty slick and a decent advancement of the concepts left behind with the T1000.
Dave, I enjoyed the film when it came out and really had little problems with it then and while it was not T2, it was its own movie, a continuation of the story, and a product of its time. I have enjoyed each of the first 4 Terminator films for various reasons. This one I feel gets a bad rap because it was following up a great cinematic achievement that was T2. Keep making the great videos!
I'm gonna guess before I watch this that your answer is no.
The villain is underwhelming in her abilities, the film kind of falls apart at the end, but the actual ending is fine. Arnold is good in it. And Nick whatever his last name is, is a likeable enough lead. Plus the car chase scene with the firetruck is savage as hell.
I walked out of the theater pissed off and wanting a refund.
No movie can give you childhood magic back. And that is people's biggest problem with this movie. I saw T2 when I was 11 nothing can compare to that. So don't compare. Just let it be its own thing.
Terminator Dark Fate: *Releases*
YT recommendations:
7:00 if you are curious, this is actually covered in Terminator 3: The Redemption (a video game). It also has a way better ending.
You gave a fair review. T3 is a good way to continue the franchise. What's done with that continuation is beyond the scope of the T3 makers. I wonder if the lighting had something to do with the results? The first two Terminator movies had much of the action, and the climax at night. In T3 the climax and a lot of the significant action happened in daylight.