IL-62 - an ideal option
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- Ilyushin Il-62 is a narrow-body long-range passenger aircraft developed by the Ilyushin design bureau in the early 1960s. It was the first Soviet long-haul jet airliner, performing this role until the 1990s.
Applying the best technological solutions, the aircraft retained the ideology of design and systems simplicity, which made it optimal for long-distance transportation in the USSR and one of the best aircraft of its time.
We will get acquainted with the history of this aircraft and visit one of the planes at the Central Air Force Museum in Russia.
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The design of the wings of this aircraft are perhaps the most brilliant aircraft design I've ever seen. That shape deflects debris away from the engine intake and also from interfering with the elevators. It's really such a shame that we had (have and I hope not) the Cold War because imagine the amazing planes we would have built had we been smart enough to work together instead of against one another!
You obviously know absolutely nothing about aviation.
It is precisely because of the need to work AGAINST each other that allowed to create innovative solutions.
The other Soviet made well designed in my point of view is Tu 154.
UK had this design as well
Edit : Vickers VC-10
Sorry but the Wings of the Airbus 380 are a Masterpiece of Engininiering.
Look so fragile and still can hold on that Behemoth of an airplane.
But you are right,this Wings look Awesome,and are Awesome.
I flew as a passenger in 1993 from Stockholm to St Petersburg and landed on a really snowy airfield. On the return trip, we had the fortune to fly with her Oslo before returning to Stockholm. I remember it as being a charming flight, even though I was feeling really ill. It wasn't air sickness or something like that. I got searched by airport security in St Petersburg with them pointing AK47 at me. I was understandingly nervous after that. I got a pretty glasfiber lamp in a shop and it showed as something bad on their x-ray machines. At least they laughed at the guy that screamed bomb after seing the tv screen. I wasn't laughing. I thought, well,at least I got to be 18 years old. The staff aboard the Aeroflot machine treated me very nicely and switched me to first class. It was a cool experience after all.
Holy shit!
@Danilo Metzger
Well live and learn, don't bring potentially disturbing items in your luggage.
I like the Russian mindset in the west they would have been on alert during that discovery and search but even after it was found there was no danger the officials still would be pricks (especially in the USA) while the Russians showed deprecating behavior and a sensor humor after they learned no danger was present.
@@christophercook723 yes I did. I was like "cool, russian helicopters. Like a trash museum"
@@watershed44 it was supposed to be checked luggage but we arrived late since my ticket was missing. We searched everywere and didn't find it. We had to buy a new ticket for me to get aboard. After all this, my father wanted to buy a burger at a local burger place in the airport in Sweden. He reached for his wallet, opened it and found my ticket. D'oh. So I didn't need to go through all this after all. I could laugh at it anyhow. I agree that the russians have a sence of humor that the us doesn't. But I have made a US agent laugh. I returned from my home country Chile via Miami and needed to stay at a hotel for a night. Dirt cheap flight but the agent thought I might stay. He asked me wy I didn't choose to stay in London for a night instead. I asked him, whay would you do? Stay in rainy London or sunny Miami? Hmmm. He laughed and let me in. Next day I continued to Sweden, about 30 hours later.
They most likely used AK-74, as AK-47 didn't used in 1990 as it was outdated
I always loved the simple, straightforward reliable engineering solutions of Soviet vehicles.
British engineers carefully balanced the VC10 and found solutions to problems that were caused by solutions to other problems which were in turn caused by solutions to initial problems.
Soviets balanced the IL-62 for handling, found the c.o.g. was behind the main gear and instead of redesigning everything they simply said "Just put a retractable support in the tail"
A direct solution that didn't cause other problems.
I think people who called it a crutch were just envious of the incredibly simplistic solution to what they thought was a complex problem lol
The 727 had an even simpler solution: The engineer installed a four foot aluminum pole into a fitting under the tail and this prevented the tail from touching the ground if the CG were to shift aft during loading or unloading.
Simple solutions to complicated problems are usually the most clever, cost saving and more difficult to imagine.
@MrLewisbate Obviously you didn't watch the video.
space-race: they needed a instrument to write aboard the capsules in outer space...
The Americans spend a fortune inventing and developing what became the Fisher space-pen (with a tiny cartridge go CO2...)
The Russians just brought a lead pencil...
@@GAUROCH2 while it would seem the sensible thing to do, the lead pencil will fragment into miniscule particles spreading through the capsule. Could these particles cause issues?...they wouldn't want to find out the hard way. The Yanks ultimately` did a brilliant job in getting to, landing on, and exiting the Moon first go. Their attention to detail is to be admired, not that I am denigrating the Russians though. The BBC did a superb audio series about the Moon Landing called 13 Minutes To The Moon - a magnificent series of 7 or 8 programs showing the ppl and obstacles overcome. It is really worth listening to.
Quad rear-engine layout was so cool. Love the IL-62 and VC-10!
These planes were beauties
There's also the lockheed jetstar
Did you ever hear a VC10 takeoff? DAMN! they made a ton of noise. Very impressive and memorable experieince.
The engine layout was its Achilles heel. One engine catastrophic failure wood knock off the other 3. This happened a lot more often than expected. The engine placement and Soviet rush to keep the plane in the air by cutting corners contributed to fatal crashes. I flew one of those in 1984.
@@notyou6950 This engine layout seems like a workaround to me. You design the supports for a certain weight and thrust and then you only need to adjust the nacelles to put more or less engines, depending on what you have at the time. Some ekranoplan vessels had this layout with 8 engines!
I wonder how it would behave with two more modern engines instead of the 4 original ones
As always I learned a lot. As a youngster, I dismissed the iL-62 as a “Commie” VC-10 imitation. Instead you show it to be a successful and pragmatic solution to Aeroflot’s needs. Excellent!
Me too, I always thought IL63 was shamely copying the VC10 but this video just changed my perspective .
Oh god, grow up.
Same with the Tu-144. Actually, the Tu-144 flew higher, faster and had a lower stall speed. However, the egos of the two governments and ideologies behind their designs meant that Concorde's one crash killed it off 3 years after, whereas the Tu-144's crash turned it into a mostly cargo-carrying aircraft and then slowly retired after 20 years.
@@akshaygowrishankar7440 TU-144 was a nasty unbearable piece of rushed trash. Loud as hell, constantly requiring maintenance and ended up being used for post at one point. The Concorde was based on people, whereas the 144 remained as an ego booster.
@@bmc9504 but in several aspects, it was better. It was cheaper, wider, faster, flew higher, and could fly with minimal reduction in range. But in most aspects of refinement and aesthetics, Concorde is better.
Great video! In the mid 1990s I began my own journeys to Russia, and eventually went into an aircraft brokerage business. In 2001 I met Nikolai Talikov who eventually became head of the Ilyushin OKB. In 2002 while in Farnborough a friend from Russia pointed out Mr. Genrich Novozhilov to me. A month or so later while at an event opening the Gidroaviasalon at Gelendzhik I spotted Mr. Novozhilov watching the entertainers from Rostov. Introducing myself in Russian, he switched the conversation to English with a very good Oxford accent. He passed away a year or so ago. It's a small world, and I got to meet the man who was Ilyushin OKB General Designer when the IL-62 was developed. Rest In Peace sir!
"The main gear steadily endured this mockery..."
Very well-said.
Never knew about the 'crutch' feature! Such a simple solution rather than the overly complex Vickers, both stunning aircraft. Thanks for an amazing insight into this Soviet wonder!
I really liked this aircraft. The fact that it was simplified, yet airworthy and sturdy, showed that there were less things to go wrong while in flight with all of the fancy equipment that the VC-10 had. This meant less maintenance. This was a strong air frame and could land on surfaces that would have damaged the jets of the West. This jet is a classic and has proved itself going the distance. Hopefully the MC-21 sees success throughout the world in the single aisle market.
Probably the only large Western aircraft capable of rough-field operations from that period (a bit later) was the Airbus A300, and likely not to the same degree. I rememver a lot was made about this when they entered service in Australia with TAA.
@@shebbs1 "Probably the only large Western aircraft capable of rough-field operations from that period (a bit later) was the Airbus A300, and likely not to the same degree."
A bit later Airbus introduced double-bogeys on the smaller A320. Although Air India was the only carrier that purchased that option.
I think the Il-62 is a nice aircraft too, but I suspect there were a lot more things to go wrong on it than on the VC10, probably a lot more maintenance as well for the Il-62.
Both the Boeing 737-200 and the Boeing 727 have been used in rough-field situations that the Il-62 never saw. The Il-62 was only ever flown from normal large airports.
Even the vic-10 was apparently pretty reliable
In Poland there was a saying about Ilyushin - 'Chcesz być pyłem, lataj iłem'. Which translates 'If you want to be dust, fly on IL'.
One of them crashed near Warsaw after a turbine in its engine cracked under stress, cutting through second engine and its tail on way out
Not one but two crashed for same reasons. First one crashed in 1979. It was IL-62. The second one crashed in 1987, IL-62M. Copernicus, and Kosciuszko. RIP.
@@sanderus421 The first one actually crashed in 1980 not 1979
Or even better : „lepsza kiła od Iła” - „better syphilis than Il”
*The French upgrade thier republic to the 5th version.*
To be honest, that's just how France works. You need to install periodic updates to keep the firmware running. If you keep using the old version for too long without updates, it slows down initially with strikes, then you start getting protests & eventual revolution.
Ha ha. Computer jokes, but not a complete computer joke.
It’s like CSGO
Thankfully newer versions are backwards compatible, which reduces the need to continually upgrade legacy systems, especially for enterprise users.
Plus Parisians need the odd catalyst to burn their old furniture in flaming barricades
Also France is not backwards compatible.
This is a fantastic video. Great internal/external detail on the plane itself and the story of how Ilyushin successfully dealt with the various engineering trade-offs in the design of the aircraft was especially interesting, especially contrasted with their British counterparts. A fascinating look at the history of a plane not so familiar to those of us in the West.
I flew on it in 2000 in Domodedovo Airlines ;)
It must have much higher take off speed than Boeing's because I remember this plane accelerating on a tarmac for so long while engines scream until its almost a tunnel vision outside. And oh the leg room on those!
It's a great thing that three of Interflug's IL-62s have been preserved. It's such a cool jetliner!
@Timothy Simpson Lady Agnes had one go around on landing. She landed on the second attempt.
3? One is Lady Anges on that field i northern Germany, the other one is in Leipzig, and the third one is where?
@@KamilMB The third one is DDR-SEC in Merseburg at the Luftfahrt-Technik-Museumspark.
Some other Interflug jets are also on display there.
Other IL-62s are Lady Agnes in Stölln (registration DDR-SEG) and the one in Leipzig. (registration DDR-SEF)
@@jkarhiaho Thanks for this info. So two of them are close. Do You know why DDR-SEF is not on google street-view? It is on the satelite view, and in 3D even, but as You go down to street-view it is not there. The photos are from early 2000' (old cars on parking where Il shoud be), and they have it on them that they are from 2017...
@@KamilMB Well, DDR-SEF stood for a long time at Leipzig-Halle airport and was moved to it's current location in 2010. So the street view is from before 2010. The "2017" means nothing in Google Maps/Earth.
In the 1980's and 1990's I flew as a passenger many times on IL62s...specifically the IL62Ms. First , a couple of times Montreal to Moscow and return on Aeroflot and later, many times, Toronto to Havana and return, Toronto to Veredero and return and Toronto to Santiago de Cuba and return on Cubana. It was a truly wonderful and beautiful aircraft....fast, long ranged, smooth and extremely quiet inside, with nicely appointed interiors and unlike most modern airliners nowadays, with very comfortable seating with plenty of legroom. I definitely miss the IL62 and am sad to see that most of them are now etired.
Except when they crashed and killed everyone
@@goclunker "Its total hull loss rate (7.7%) is lower than those of the Boeing 707 (16.4%) and DC-8 (14.9%), and near that of the VC10/Super VC10 (= 7.8% if one excludes the three examples destroyed by terrorists) although the VC10 was only in civilian service for 16 years (versus 48 years for the Il-62, as at 2015)"
Cubana still flies very CLASSIC former Soviet-era aircraft! One day we parked at a hardstand in Cancun right next to a Cubana de Aviacion YAK-40-D. My first officer and I went outside to do the walkaround and we asked the Captain if we could come aboard and see his airplane. The Cubana crew was very obliging and we had a tour of this rare bird. I offered to reciprocate and show them our B737-700W, but their "political crewmember" did not permit it. Instead we offloaded several bags of Coca-Cola products and gave it to the Cubana crew. I still enjoy flying into HAV and seeing the IL-62Ms in various stages of dismantling on the maintenance ramp.
@@goclunker il62 was far safer than Boeing 707, stop spreading lies you overpatriotic american
I thoroughly enjoyed this presentation. I've known for a long time that the Ilyushin design bureau were at the top of their game.
You did great homage to the IL-62. Well done! I thoroughly enjoyed your presentation, and learned a few things along the way too.
I love this guys voice so much. It is the perfect amount of Russian accent. I can listen to him all day.
@Gallant Zodiac The man is Russian! END OF STORY! HAHAHAHAHA!
He has an excellent English vocabulary, too. Very talented content creator! I wish I understood more Russian to see what his videos in Russian are like.
@@RobJaskula they are quite good, just as detailed, and very balanced presentation
He even has a dedicated channel in russian ROFL !
This guy, along with Bobby from "sailing doodles", are the coolest guys on TH-cam!
Been fortunate to see a Rada Cargo IL62 operating recently in Otopeni, Romania. A blast from the past.
I managed to upload it.
The IL62 was very much loved at LHR during the 1960s and 1970s while I was there (On noisy Comet-4Bs) albeit thought of as a VC10 copy, I now learn it wasn't. Great very helpful video. Thanks for posting :)
Excellent video, thanks! My wife and I flew on a LOT IL-62 back in 1985, non-stop from Chicago to Warsaw and back. As an aviation buff, I was fascinated and will always remember that flight.
You were fortunate. Two Il-62 crashed near Warsaw in 1980 and 1987.
I love this channel. I particularly enjoy the reviews and walk-throughs of the Russian designed planes. This narrator guy, "Sky", really knows his stuff and his ability to describe and explain all the features and specific details of each plane is impressive. Another great episode from Skyships Eng! Thanks...
Spasiba! Sky this by far is one of my favorite videos. I thought it was the CSA aircraft that did the grass landing. The IL-62m from CSA was my very first flight from Czech to US. I love that you have a great museum to add to your videos. Your archive is great but, to see one and show us what you want to see is one of a kind. Keep up the great work my friend!
Back around 1990, I worked at Toronto Intl Airport and used to attend when Polish LOT airlines used to fly their IL-62s in. We learned the most important rule: always stand on the outside of the gate, even if it was pouring rain. When the door swung open, an overwhelming stench of sewage and what smelled like rotting food would blast out, leaving us gagging. As I was a recreational pilot, I used to talk to the station chief, who was a former Air Canada pilot. I was a little concerned about the halo of small cracks around EVERY rivet - I asked the SC how many cycles the airframe had on it, and he snapped something in Polish at the engineer, who brought out a huge leather-bound book. I forget the number, but it was WAY up there. I also almost started an international incident on one belonging to Aeroflot. We boarded in full dress uniform because it was a new “welcome to Canada” measure. My partner said the Aeroflot F/As were attractive, so we boarded just after the passengers got off. We were giving the girls (who, yes, were easy on the eyes) some of the baseball caps and pins we had been given to give to kids, when a guy in a rumpled suit, who was not either an FA or a pilot/engineer, but the girls were clearly afraid of (a political officer, perhaps?) stepped out and saw us and went nuts. When we explained that we were RCMP officers, he started screaming “Federal Police?! GET OFF! GET OFF!” The FAs scattered in terror and we let ourselves be ushered off the aircraft with him yelling “Forbidden! Send official protest!” In broken English. So I didn’t get a date, but I’m sure that I was the subject of a report to Moscow. ;-))
That is hilarious. The FA's on these flights were most likely daughters of some politburo pricks, since going out to the west was a highly prized job. Most certainly the whole crew was under the watchful eye of a Zampolit (ever seen "Moscow on the Hudson" movie with Robin Williams?). I flew to the US in 1984 via Montreal on one of these things. The flights to NY were suspended at the time due to Reagan's sanctions against Poland for the Martial Law coup. We might have passed each other then;-)
The sexiest Commercial aircraft Russia ever produced.
Agreed. Possibly even the sexiest narrowbody airliner IMO. And I say this as an American, proud of the US aviation industry.
I disagree. TU-154 is prettier and sexier.
the USSR*
haha no kidding. It's definitely one of the sexiest aircraft out there.
Tell it to people who lost their life in it.
Great video, I remember a IL 62 would take off out of San Francisco every Sunday going to Vladivostok. Loved the black smoke exhaust trails and the sound of those loud engines. Great memories.
17:31... After a single engine failure, 2 neighborhood engines were damaged too... together with non-doubled steering - see LOT crashes from 1980 and 1987.
Agree. It’s so sad that the creator of this video did not mention about design flaw of the engige shaft and promote this plane as super secure which back than was not, due to design flaw and horrible maintenance. 2 biggest plane crash in Poland happend beacause of this plane.
i flew in 1992 from Moscow to Mexico City via Shannon and Miami (coming from Rome with a Tu.154) really a great experience. on return trip I flew again the Il-62 and from Moscow To Rome a Il-86. So happy!!!
Thank you for giving us this video in English!
My first flight to US in 1982 coming back I did the IL-62 of CSA from New York to Prague ( the outflight was a TAROM Boeing 707 from Vienna to NY) as I remember back it was no problem flight and thinking back I am really happy to organized that flight from Budapest which was really unic in that time. As later from mid-90-ies working for a US multinational many planes I used countlessly ....but the first sunrise I have seen during a transatlantic flight that was that IL-62 flight from NY to Prague ........never forget...
Excellent use of the English language and clearly presented information. Two thumbs up!!!
I agree!
Especially since this channel is originally Russian
I never realized how utilitarian the IL62 was. I love this.
THANK YOU! I have been waiting for you to make a video about the Il-62; you exceeded my expectations.
I was working on IL-62 and IL-62M for Polish Airlines. The plane was not terrible and was liked among crews in 70-ties and early 80-ties, even outdated compared to western designs, especially in electronics. On the transatlantic trip, the plane was burning 11 tons of fuel in the first hour. Only after 5 hours of flight, it was reaching economical 5 tons per hour consumption. Fully loaded (and that how it was usually operated by Polish Airlines), it needed the full length of the runway for a takeoff. The really serious problem was (of course you cannot hear anything other from Polish Airline employee), quality of engines, both Kuznetsov and Soloviev (second used later on M version). Serviced exclusively in USSR only, both designs were plagued by scandalous lacks in quality and precision of manufacturing and nothing short of critical lacks in quality control. As two Polish disaster investigations revealed, those lacks ranged from, nonmetallic inclusion in the material of critical parts, lack of any finish besides coarse on part requiring micro-metric finish precision, unorthodox violating technical norms modifications, negligence in manufacturing, and nonexistent quality control. Interestingly, the Soviets had denied faults and the role of those faults (in their engines) in two Polish disasters for a considerable time. The official position was, that discovered by Polish Disaster Commissions engines faults were not the cause of the disaster, but it results. Even it was an obvious lie since the beginning, as Soviet explanation, despise of a number of signatures of important “scientific” and government officials, could not explain things like, finding parts of the engine over 150 km from the disaster site, Soviet denial was finally and fully withdrawn only after, in two separate incidents (in Polish airlines), engines suffered catastrophic explosions while in flight, which did not end in disaster. Both planes landed safely. As disaster did not happen, engine faults simply could not be blamed on disaster anymore. In yet another interesting twist of fate, after surfacing of the following video on TH-cam: th-cam.com/video/-xltGZk4aHY/w-d-xo.html (ground inspection after a successful emergency landing of Cuban IL-62M in April 2008), when it seemingly became apparent that despise Polish disasters, engine problems were never corrected, even 20 years after, another campaign of denial took place, involving this time internet trolls, forcing untruthful claims on international Internet forums (Wikipedia and other), even what appears to be the clandestine operation of Russian intelligence agencies. This time on public forums, Russians attempted to claim, that presented by them record (which according to them is 100% trustworthy), of operation of IL-62 and IL-62M, indicated both planes as considerably safer than any western counterpart of the same time. To explain Polish disasters, 20 years after disasters, all of the sudden some documents of Polish Secret Police of communist-era were “discovered”, which claimed, Polish Airlines in unorthodox agreement with the manufacturer (which grant it a free hand in decision making), decided to extend the time of operation of engines between checkups, beyond originally recommended by the manufacturer. The story itself is constructed neglectfully revealing serious lacks. For instance, as a manufacturer it lists Ilyushin Bureau, which did not produce engines, it produced plane body hence it would not be the one making the decision. That would be a job for Kuzniecov than a Soloviev factory. Matter of fact Polish commission found very little to complain about the body of the plane and described Ilyushin Bureau findings in regard to disasters - “objective”. Problems in investigation cooperation (or its lack) were since beginning with engine manufacturers and particularly bearing manufacturers. Anyway, the problems of such claims are as follow. As Soviet disasters were kept secret from public opinion and records were kept by the Soviet state only, it is only unverifiable say of new Russian now government that presented records are full and truthful. While IL-62 was still operated in 2008, revelations coming from the Cuban incident were quite unfavorable for the reputation of the plane, which does create an agenda for the Russian government to be less than fully revealing. Revelations regarding engine operating time limits come not from work of official Polish Disaster Commission, not in the time of the investigation, but from records of communist secret police which not that much had ties with Soviet intelligence (KGB and GRU back in communist times), but were rather composed of operatives of both. On top, the timing of “discovery”, 20 years after disasters, coincides with the time of the Cuban incident. Even Secret Police theory was never publicly addressed by any serious investigation by Polish state to my knowledge (they simply ignored it), the existence of such practice would have to be common knowledge in Polish Airlines, reflected not only in vast volumes of documentation but vast accounts of human witnesses memory. Hours of servicing of engines were not kept secret in Poland. Every, even basic level worker could have easily check them, or actually, to say more precisely, did check them, as knowing and operating with those numbers were part of normal work routine for a vast number of people from of all levels of the company. Those hours were listed in numerous places, starting from a tag on engine or box with the engine itself, kept on the ground, where anybody passing could have simply read it, to documentation in various departments of the company. As following and keeping those hours was part of a job, the work of many people required constant checking and familiarity with them. From my side, as a former employee, even not directly involved in engine servicing itself, I can only say, such records or accounts,... are simply not existing. So here they are. My two pennies, while on the subject. Was not trying to make it an attack on Russia. My sympathy simply goes not to people who manufacture the engines, but to common, average people who fly them, including Russians. They are the ones whose lives will be affected (hope note) by flying them. There is one more aspect of the story, purely speculative. Are the Russian engines really that bad? Hard to tell for sure! For sure the Cuban incident happened. For sure Soviets were aware of engine lacks way before they admitted it, as they were sending “special” engines to service official delegation flight of Polish Communist Party to China (which they demanded back after their return). The plane suffered no disasters or incidents in Polish Airlines for 8 years. Two disasters (and two additional incidents without disaster) happened in the time of “Solidarity” in Poland, where Poland definitely was perceived in the USSR as an enemy. Could it be this perception played role in Polish disasters??? I don't know the answer to this question. Who knows.
In my teenage spotting days at LHR, i considered the most exotic types to be Aeroflot Il-62 (and Aerolineas Argentina DC-8.)
Didn't you spot the water being ejected from the nose tank on takeoff? This was to stop it sitting on its tail when full of fuel. The water was filled by the Heathrow fire section who thought it was a pain. The water was dumped after takeoff.
I agree with you. Not only is the writing great, but the video is extremely well produced. There are lots of statistics but we don't drown in them. This guy is first-rate. I would love to know more about him.
Always liked the look of this plane . My first flight of my life was on Czechoslovakian airlines in the early 80’ from Prague to JFK NY with stopover in Montreal.
As you probably know, the Il-62 was literally forced upon the state-owned ČSA during the political aftermath of the Russian invasion in 1968.
@@petr7694 you’re right it was very obvious that even with ČSA titles they kept the registration CCCP-86666 until ČSA bought another one entirely OK-YBA
When my family and I left Cuba at the end of the 70s, we left on a Cubana Airlines IL62. It was the flagship of the Cuban airline for many years
I really like your presentation Sky. Lots of details and history. Great job! I would love to visit this museum some day. Is one able to enter these aircraft?
I served aboard the USS Constellation (CV-64) in the mid 1980’s. Our Tomcats intercepted TU-95’s and TU-16’s and TU-22M’s. All were of concern with their anti-ship cruise missilery but especially the TU-22M’s Mach 1.2 speed. My favorite will always be the TU-95 (I called it the flying eggbeater). What a great engineering achievement, the apex of turboprop aircraft. Must have been long loud missions out of the Khorol East Soviet Naval Aviation base.
Always liked all the Soviet airliners too. Love the pragmatic engineering the design team employed for the IL-96.
The C-130 Hercules would like to have a chats with you - a turboprop used all over the world and has spent some 60 years in production and is still being made.
Sky, you must be the best aviation channel around. Very informative, never boring, a good dose of humor and that pleasant accent of course!
Along with the B727 I think this is one of the best looking jets!
I don't agree, I don't like aircrafts with a T-tail. I always thought it's ugly (just as much as it's dangerous). Give me a A-340 or a DC-8 instead any day (preferably the former of course).
I think its ugly. I dont think t tail planes look bad just the quadruple rear engine ones
All of mine KC-135s were built between 1957 and 1964. We still fly them and we still plan on flying them for a long time. Now, that’s a successful design. Sometimes time stamps don’t really impress me, but that’s just an opinion. However, my grandpa flew IL-28s for 33 years and never complained. So there is bias.
Calling an extra landing leg a crutch isn't far off, since it helps something unstable not fall over. But insisting there's a more sophisticated solution it is like sticking a big flywheel onto your grandpa to replace a simple walking stick. Sometimes simple is good, and any engineer who states otherwise is likely working under a sunk-cost fallacy, and doesn't want to admit their overly complicated solution wasn't the best use of resources.
true
Kinda like how NASA spent a ton of money developing a pen that works in zero G. The Soviets just used pencils in space!
@@therealsnow I'm pretty sure the myth has been debunked dozens of times
@@nottoday3817 a more correct analogy is the time someone tried to create a continuously variable bike transmission to solve one problem: the minuscule inconvenienece of the gear change
Spaceeba :). I wish my Russian was as good as your English! Thank you for your analysis of the Ilyushin design. I would like to point out that the VC-10 was really designed for "hot and high" operation to various areas of the British Commonwealth and thus had to have a very complex wing design to have adequate short take off performance. I do appreciate the Soviet-era designs for their simplicity of operation and maintenance.
Man I love learning about these old Soviet aircraft. It's freaking awesome thank you for sharing with us.
SO happy to see people shooting at Monino. I was lucky enough to visit there a few years ago and it was one of the most unique things I've had the chance to do. I was so happy there!
Also when I was there they were also testing the raising and lowering of the nose on the Tu-144.
I am Indian and reside in Austria. My father served in Indian Airforce.therefore passion for Aircrafts is family affair. I see your videos. today first time i saw you. My regards to you from Vienna, Austria.
Excellent review. I flew in the IL-62M once on August, 1978 aboard CAAC. I loved the sound of the Soloviev D10 engines.
Ohhh boy this is the best aviation channel I' ever seen and the anchor is so well documented that makes him an authority on the matter
Make a detailed video about Il-76, I always feels like it deserves more attention. People ignores coz its a cargo and in military it stays in the shadows of bombers and fighters. But IMO its the true beast and will be the longest serving aircraft in Russia when Tu-95 retires.
I would also love to see an Il-76 video. It's not just a cargo plane. It's also used as a tanker for in-flight refueling and as an engine testbed.
@@skyem5250 I know, I think there's a version for VIP passengers as well. To carry them in rough airfields. I remember Putin landing on Arctic airfield on an Il-76!
@@skyem5250 As well as an AWACS version, adapted by Beriev.
I remember seeing these in Berlin schonefeld in the late 1990s. Fantastic planes and deserved their success.
Thing is in Russia during the 1960's there was no competition between airlines. Whereas the VC10 had to win customers, the IL62 was given customers by the state.
It is sad to see so many of the Soviet era planes outside in the weather.
Very good video.
That aircraft, for its engineering as well as esthetics, really is like art. She’s gorgeous and smart.
The West always had a tendency to look down on Soviet-made airplanes due to the Cold War. When Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev first visited the US on 15th September 1959 for a 13-day visit, his airplane was the large Tupolev TU-114. President Eisenhower and US officials were embarrassed that when the step ladders were brought to the plane, they were too low ! They did not expect the Soviet aircraft to be bigger, higher, modern and more powerful than US passenger jets. This was a slap in the face then for US aviation.
serve them being so cocky not thinking through the problem something might be bigger
Y r brilliant at putting these programs together - great skills and thank you for doing to. You supply more diversity of the history and tech data than anyone else I know of on YT. Great!
0:21 Did you dub yourself? Nice.
Finally!! Been waiting a long time for u to do the il-62. Thank you!!
Oh my god, that’s what you look like! Great to see the man behind the voice finally. You look about 30 years younger than I expected. Fantastic video, please keep them coming and PLEASE PLEASE do a video on my favourite aircraft, the AN-12.
“IL62, report to the principal’s office!” LOL
Eccellent video! What a sweep angle on those wings!
Thanks so much for this great video
I don't know why but I like the idea of engines in the back, for all purposes. They say planes are more agile, they take off sooner, you can have bigger wings, more fuel, and, in case of an emergency landing, engines won't touch the floor, you can better ditch or land without gear if it fails. Just seems all advantages foe all purposes, even emergency ones. Plus I'd never even imagined four engines at the back like this one has. Amazing. That decreases the noise in the cabin, except at the back. Sure.
As usual, this was a well organized and well delivered video. I always enjoy watching your videos. Thank you !
I love the way describe a potential not so lively trap & then states the amazing features...okay this beaut with those wings...it’s got me hooked :-)
At rotation for takeoff, the engines at the rear would have been in direct line with debris from the main gear wheels. Also a fire or explosion of an engine could severely damage the rear section including flight controls rendering the airplane uncontrollable.
No surprise that this layout was abandoned for a spaced underwing detachable nacelles.
But far higher above the ground. On balance I suspect that underwing engines are far more likely to ingest debris.
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Above the wings layout is safer and aerodynamically advantageous. Such layout can be found on the Beriev200 hydroplane for example.
The main drawback is a less practical position for engine maintenance and check up between flights.
@@QatarVegan Not so. Where shoud the debris come from?
Always had a soft spot for this type. Used to see Uzbekistan IL62s at Manchester airport, fantastic sound from those whining Solovievs.
Your Channel is probably the best Aviation channel I could ever find
Flying coffin :
The "Nicolaus Copernicus" aircraft (non-modernized version Ił-62, registration number SP-LAA) crashed during the approach to landing at the Warsaw Okęcie airport on March 14, 1980, at which the leading Polish music star Anna Jantar was killed. On May 9, 1987, the "Tadeusz Kościuszko" aircraft crashed (modernized version Ił-62M, registration number SP-LBG), whose disaster in the Warsaw Kabacki Forest, in terms of the number of victims, is the most tragic accident in the history of Polish aviation. Due to political conditions, it was impossible to change the supplier of the aircraft, therefore technical and operational changes improving the level of safety were carried out in LOT operated by LOT Polish Airlines. The changes were based on experiences from two previous disasters and included:
Duplicate aircraft control system.
The use of a more extensive (compared to the original) engine shaft vibration detection system.
The use of non-combustible materials in the cargo hold.
The use of smoke alarms in the luggage compartment (instead of fire alarms) - faster warning of possible danger.
Laboratory engine oil check after each flight.
Exceeded vibrations of the engine shaft during one of the Il-62M flights resulted in the decision to turn off the engine in flight with passengers (flight No. 015 from Warsaw to Toronto on March 11, 1990 [2]) and start for a return flight without passengers, on three engines and arrival at the Okęcie airport (commander captain Dr. Eng. Tomasz Smolicz). These procedures prevented another tragedy; the disassembled engine was sent to the USSR, where the shaft support bearing failure was found. This decided to abandon the use of this type of aircraft by PLL LOT.
I could say the same about Max 8
It had to be a real nightmare having to carry out that amount of work. As well as having to schedule replacement aircraft.
Sky, your videos are getting So much better! In the beginning I did not like them, but now I enjoy each new episode.
A brilliantly informative video, with a dash of humour, a beautiful use of English and an inbuilt nostalgic fondness for the old USSR. Great work
When they get it right, they get it right. Beautiful bird, one of my favorite. And a cobra maneuver for deceleration, hah gotta love it, that is outrageous in the best way. If it works it works.
As well as popping the flight reversers 15 feet off the runway. Russian pilots have a different approach from the West but their stuff sure works!
@@deltavee2 Russians need to land of all kinds of airfields. Many areas were built only using airplanes as connection with the rest of the country due to the inhospitable conditions making it impossible to travel by road and extemely impressive and dangerous to travel by train.
@@nottoday3817 I hear you. Here in Canada we use ski planes in winter and float planes in the summer. Canada has the most natural lakes on record and holds 50% of the world's lakes so runways are nice but not necessary at all since there is always a place to land regardless of the season.
Thank you for using the metric system when giving measurements. Some people forget or directly dont know that there are only 3 countries in the world not usin metric. Myanmar, Liberia and the USA. Its just a fact of quantity and education. One more time, thanks.
Thanks for including more engine details in this video. Thanks for the info on the center of gravity stuff.
Wow, the Aleutian Design Bureau (voice-to-text). Those Alaskans were very technologically advanced.
I flew on an Aeroflot IL-62 from Heathrow to Colombo, Sri Lanka via Moscow & Abu Dhabi out and Karachi, Tashkent & Moscow back in 1982. It was a very cheap way of getting there and back. £200 return as my memory serves me correctly which even for then was cheap. The one thing I initially found alarming but then got used to was the constant change in pitch in the engines on the final descent and slight roller coaster approach during descents. Unlike most western contemporaries like the VC-10 there were no extendable leading edge slats so I assume they didn't have this additional tool to control lift, hence the constant changes in engine power. It was iconic but didn't have the grace, elegance and sophistication of the VC-10.
In mid 90th I was sitting in KLM lounge in JFK enjoing drinks and quietness. Suddenly incredible roaring from the airfield shuttered the airport. Keep culm a guy told me, that's IL 62 taking off.
The first Soviet-built airliner I ever saw was a LOT IL-62 at Toronto's Pearson Airport in 1977. Since Warsaw Pact countries didn't fly to the USA very much, it was quite the opportunity.
He explains aviation and aircraft really well.
The power of a ‘simple’ design.
Thank you!
Rule 1 of engineering design: keep it simple stupid!
Very interesting video the weakest link on this otherwise highly competent aircraft appears to have been its comparatively poor engines. I would love to have seen one of these fine machines fitted with Rolls Royce Conways. That really would have been interesting.
Remember going to Russia as a tourist in the late 1990s, flew in domestic airliners, and the descent was like a dive bombing run :-D. Service pretty decent though. On Aeroflot asked the pretty attendant for a blanket; she said "it'll get warmer when we take off", and walked off :-D . Must have been the Soviet training 😀
Almost killed my grandpa, a LOT Polish airlines captain.
What almost killed your Grampa?
@@paulazemeckis7835 the IL-62
@@paulazemeckis7835 Here's one of the Polish Iluyshin crashes: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Flight_5055
I really love this airplane!! And thanks again for a fabulous video!!!
worked on the vc 10 for 5 years,, it was a great aircraft and fantastically built,,, il 62 very similar,,, both great designs
I flew a lot with this one under Uzbekistan Airlines colors! I totally love that plane !! Miss it !
Always found the cockpit funny looking as a kid. Now as an older man, I find this bird gorgeous
*Excellent video. Once in the late 80 I flew IL-62 from Bangkok-Bombay-Moscow. Seated in front the so called KGB class. Excellent service, only six of us. I recall the takeoff tremendously powerful. Russian Champagne and Beluga caviar all the way. Soviet Airlines. Bangkok-Johnnie*
It is always enjoyable to watch your channel. Well presented and full of details. Thank you so much!
Do the Embraer Bandeirante and Brasília Please!!
LOT Polish Airlines lost two of them - one IL-62 and one IL-62M. In total 270 (87 + 183) people died :(
Flew London to Warsaw on one in 1983. It was perfectly up to standard for its time, and notable for the aluminium interior panels and wool upholstery, much more fire resistant than the plastic on most Western airliners. The two crashes near Warsaw were a blemish on both the maintenance and construction of the engines, and on their location in the airframe, a problem for both the DC-10 and L-1011 also.
Maintenenence was according to manufacturer standards, russians sold to Poland faulty engines.
@@Bucefal76 - I cant help thinking this would have been one hell of an aircraft if fitted with the Rolls Royce Conway engines as used on the VC10.
@@Bucefal76 Sure, sure.
I was an aircraft engineer based in Vancouver , Canada, in the seventies, and a number of times I was tasked with handling visiting Il-62 aircraft operated by LoT (Polish Airlines). I considered it a privelege to have the opportunity to service these aircraft.
Hello from Aspen Colorado. I enjoyed the narration and story of this graceful looking bird. Thank you!
Thia ia an excellent video.. Well done, you did some very good work with this.. I have a friend that works at Monino. I get regular photos of the museum. its fantastic.. I will hopefully visit this year... Keep up the great videos....
Making a retractable 4th. wheel in the rear to solve the aft weight problem was a good idea. Even today, the Boeing 737-800 sometimes needs a brace placed back there to keep from tipping backwards.
belfast had same problem fill with fuel then load
Congratulations. An interesting critique is always interesting to here. Thank you for an interesting video.
Great plane n great documentary! Thank u...make more pls....
Honestly, Russian/Soviet aircraft are underrated. Sure, they're a bit irrelevant for the time they were in v. time they were made for, but to be honest, for me, comfort and utility are THE most important aircraft design aspects, and Soviet/Russian aircraft have both. Honestly, Russia needs more attention for their aircraft, because what they churned out in their time is fucking good stuff.
Great video! Your production quality and depth of information is improving tremendously.
Great video! IL62 was a beautiful machine