This is gonna be very informative and entertaining. BTW bro Star Wars Theory and Stupendous Wave mentioned you, Jensaarai1, and Antoine Bandele again during one of their podcast episodes. They know you man, and they spoke very highly of you. Just thought you should know. 👍🏼
You have no idea how much I appreciate that you still upload. I've been subbed to you on 3 different accounts, starting over 10 years ago when I was still a child. Thank you, Evan.
I remember I used to watch your stuff maybe 5-7 years ago, stopped for a long while for whatever reasons (new interests and stuff), and rediscovered your stuff months ago. I am very glad I did.
32:53 Have you ever thought of doing a Top 5 or Top 10 list of your favourite Expanded Universe duels (either specifically in novels or including all formats such as comics, the SWTOR Cinematics and 2003 Clone Wars)?
This may sound odd but I’m actually glad that Disney isnt working on the EU. They’d just ruin, I’d much rather have the EU continued by someone who really knows the lore and is passionate about like Evan.
Hey Evan! To not make it overly sappy and cringe, Star Wars is my home away from home. My favorite thing in the entire world outside of my loved ones and I just wanted to thank you for uploading this and all your other content. My friends are casual Star Wars fans at best so conversations about the books and Legends content takes place between me, myself and I lol. This channel and community make me so happy because it’s so fun to hear and talk to other people who are just as passionate about these characters and this universe as I am. Long story short, keep it up and may the force be with you!
Not cringe at all my friend. I too am the only one in my social life who loves Legends Star Wars. Only got like 2 friends who know a bit about legends, but not enough for a whole conversation about legends. *sigh* if only my dad liked Legacy of the Force instead of the Sequel Trilogy. But yeah, that’s the beauty of Versus Series. It’s the safe haven for us Legends fans to discuss Legends Star Wars.
I def get the feel. Not cringe. These videos are always great listens and the comment sections are always great. There have been some crazy conversations that Ive had over the years. Even though my interested in legends has waxed over the years, I still come back.
@@WeaponsRemorsehe dropped the prequel Jedi council ranking video on my birthday😂😅 you are now the second person in this comment section I’ve seen whose birthday is on Dec 11th
Thank you, Evan. It’s my birthday and waking up to see this is genuine surprise, I’ve been looking forward to this one. Thank you for still making videos, it’s a blessing, truly
Fantastic video as usual! Would you ever be interested in doing one of these ranking videos for Vader's apprentices? I don't think people realize just how many he had in legends and I think it'd be neat to rank them even if everyone knows Galen Marek and Lumiya will be at the top of the ranking
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubnerand I guess the Dark Apprentice clone? While the non canon ending is…non canon, the unlockable cutscenes showing his training are so he does exist in legends canon
Evan I was just annoyed about not having enough time tonight to watch an entire Star Wars film and you bless me with this. Perfect time before work. 12 hour shift ahead 😅. In the future could we get a few more down to coruscant match ups? Lighter powered characters compared to the sithari gods and skywalker powerhouses in the latest show downs. If I could make a few suggestions I would be over the moon to see match ups like: Aura Sing Vs Kamari Vosa Rahm Kota Vs Ferus Olin Star Forge Bastila Vs Barris Offee Sharad Hett Vs Yaddle Kir Kanos Vs Proxy
Just never forget, we could've had films/stuff about this council, one that aren't ignorant of the force/are emotional - IF they were adapted faithfully - instead we got rey palpatine and high republic.....
My plan is to start reading the New Jedi Order books the exact same day that Disney’s New Jedi Order movie is released. The biggest 🖕I can give Disney. Begin the true NJO the day their njo movie comes out
Congratulations, your videos are always exceptional! You research every single thing, and always justify your view or your decisions. It's always a pleasure listening to your ranking or versus videos! Congratulations and greetings from Greece 🇬🇷
Great video as always, Evan. I agree than Mara is a bit more powerful than Corran and I do think she’s a slightly better duellist since she was able to stalemate Lumiya twice who could injure GM Luke (I also think she should have won the lightsaber duelling skills round in your VS video of her and Cade Skywalker since he only crossed blades with Krayt once). Something that should be mentioned about Kol Skywalker is that he killed several Stormtroopers and Sith and has no visible injuries implying he did it with ease.
I think people really low ball Mara Jade. She’s really powerful. Like a lot more powerful than Jedi of the clone wars. She had an actual sword fight and then a hand to hand fight in her duel with lumiya and was going to win had the ship not interfered. Lumiya is someone who could swap blades with a pissed off Luke in their last duel before he killed her. Not Ventress, Not Savage, Not Maul would be able to do that. maul tried killing obi wan on florrum and he dodged his attacks and kicked maul twice and then fended both of maul and savage off while being trapped in a tunnel. Obi wan had to create space and maneuver in the limit space he was given outmanned and out sabered. If people think maul is all that, then why didn’t he choose to kill him instead of running away after force pushing him? Nah people trip when they say maul fought Palpatine for a few moments. Mara would crush those Sith.
K'Kruhk with hat not in S Tier? This list is ass. But seriously, thank you Evan for continuing to upload another great video. And for giving NJO the respect it deserves.
Video is so well made as usual and the rankings are so fleshed out again! I guess I personally would have the same order except I would have jaina in the A tier behind Saba, her combat skill as sword of the Jedi would be top tier but she’s never shown power feats to really put her over those 3 there, if the series continued she could have shown more power but since they ended I don’t think she got to that point
I agree with the entire list except I do think a reasonable argument can be made that Kyp is in S tier with Luke and Jaina. At the bottom of the list. However I feel like the black hole feat is enough to put him in that same degree as the Skywalkers in S. But I respect your opinion!
It would be interesting to see a ranking on the Order of the Sith Lords (Bane through Palpatine/Vader), the Emperors Hands, the One Sith and the Lost Tribe of the Sith. And if doing a non Force-based (Jedi/Sith) ranking is interesting to you, perhaps a ranking of greatest pilots (Han Solo, Wedge Antilles, Soontier Fel, etc) or admirals/fleet commanders and possibly other ideas
*sigh* the second time in the past 2 years that you've dropped an hour+ long video the day before I have a huge final exam. Well, that hour of Star Wars lore was well spent, so now I better study harder today. My personal ranking goes like this. S+ Tier - Full Potential Luke Skywalker - Full Potential Jaina Solo Fel - Full Potential Kol Skywalker S Tier - Luke Skywalker A Tier - Jaina Solo Fel - Kyp Durron - Kyle Katarn - Corran Horn - Mara Jade Skywalker B Tier - Kol Skywalker - Saba Sebatyne - Grandmaster K’Kruhk - Tresina Lobi C Tier - Kam Solusar - Kenth Hamner - T’ra Saa D Tier - Cilghal - Octa Ramis E Tier - Tionne Solusar F Tier - Barratk’l - Tili Qua So ultimately, the only big differences I notice is that I rank Mara, Corran and K’Kruhk higher than you do, and I rank Kenth and Saba waaay lower. Otherwise, I generally agree with most of the rankings here. Another well researched and informative video. Merry Christmas, Evan.
Jaina's showings against Caedus is heavily misrepresented in this video. Caedus was multiple cuts above her, Jaina admitted multiple times that her brother would kill her in a force duel if he wanted. In the first duel, Jaina didn't win, because at the end she could barely swing her saber while Caedus could still deflect blaster bolts with ease, and she admitted herself that the fact that her brother was still standing is proof that his force powers far exceed hers. She was massively amped by Luke, such that when she felt the loss of the amp, she became a shadow of when she engaged her brother. In the second duel, Caedus basically ragdolled her. She cheapshotted him with a saber to the gut, which would have killed or at least incapacitated literally any other human (Caedus did the same to Katarn and it ended the fight instantly), yet Caedus remained conscious enough to send a force wave that made Jaina wish she was dead. The only reason why it was close was 1. Caedus was seriously injured, and 2. Caedus was more focused on saving his daughter. Take away either of his physical or mental advantages, and Caedus would stomp her. The fact that it was a draw at the end of it (Caedus could have taken her down with him) is proof that Jaina dosen't stand a chance against her brother in a fair fight. Jaina is at best a low A tier character. Any character who stands at the apex of the food chain would slap her into a coma.
True Jaina ecan said that when Jacen was meditating he got so intunned with the force that it looks like he was fading in and out of existence and he was growing more powerful rapidly only flew force users had archive that such as exar kun vitiate papaltine luke Jacen solo anakin solo and anakin Skywalker
I was thinking the same and I say peak Jaina in FOTJ when she becomes Jedi Master pulled off her best feats like fighting 1000s of Lost Tribe of the Sith members for days with little sleep which also Corran Horn pulled off as well whom is a high C tier I think she too belongs A tier, Kyp Durron should be S Tier demonstrating planetary lvl Feats in the NJO only second to Luke Skywalker they just kinda Gohan’d him having him sidelined during LOTF and FOTJ cause he’s not a main character or a Skywalker/Solo, Jaina was clearly dead sub average in LOTF Jedi Knight level only getting a amp between LOTF to FOTJ to be average Council level at best even then Kyp ragdolls her in Dark Journey novel with ease we clearly know she was beneath him the entire NJO and LOTF you mean to tell me she can become stronger than him in that one power amp that suggests she is mid level Council level at best with a character that can rival Darth Krayt, Darish Vol, Sarasu Taalon, Shimrra Jamaane and stronger than Darth Caedus, Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Reborn, Darth Plagueis? I don’t think so. I would put Saba Sebatyne over Kyle Katarn and Jaina because I don’t know how’d they hold off against a Avatar of Abeloth acknowledged it’s only a fraction of true Abeloth’s power even then speaks volumes, well I know Jedi Master Jaina wouldn’t pull off what Saba did maybe Kyle could so I would say peak prime FOTJ Jaina is little below Kyle Katarn if not equal. In conclusion fair assessment to place FOTJ/Crucible Jaina A tier definitely above Mara Jade and Corran Horn, LOTF Jaina is a mid C tier at best not near Council level.
I would also add Darth Krayt, Kyp Durron, Darish Vol these are all characters that directly scale off of GM Luke Skywalker and few characters that can actually rival him.
A blessing, a blessing from the Lord! Evan be praised! Very informative video, though I admit I thought Saba would be higher than Kyle! Love your work and have you thought about doing a Sith scaling video? Maybe top 10 strongest?
Hell yeah I been waiting for this one I think Kyp Durron should be S Tier maybe being that I’m a Kyp fanboy, but the Black Hole feat during the Yuuzhan Vong is a planetary feat in the Force this was NJO Kyp he does kinda get thrown to the curb during FOTJ which is a shame cause he could’ve gotten stronger more skilled well never know I would put him above Jaina that isn’t hypothetical Full Potential achieved I always figured him being second to Luke in the NJO with his Feats and fierce sparring duels with Luke Skywalker, dude was a secondary threat to Yuuzhan Vong behind Luke, I also think in LOTF if it was Kyp instead of Kyle going after Darth Caedus the results would’ve been much different since Kyp has real OP Raw Connection to the Force you would’ve had a defeated and detained Sith Lord since Kyp is more aggressive than Luke and wasn’t emotionally distressed during his clash with Caedus. I would also prolly have Saba Sebatyne over Kyle due to her show in FOTJ Apocalypse facing off an Avatar of Abeloth and brutally executing it possibly high A tier while Kyp is high S Tier second to Luke with Jaina low S Tier at third place imo. Great vid as always Evan love the content was wondering if you could do a general ranking of Power in Sith Lords I think that be kool. Some Versus ideas I had are. - Kyp Durron vs Darth Krayt - FOTJ Jaina Solo vs Reborn Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious from Dark Empire - Yoda vs Emperor Vitiate - Shimrra Jamaane vs Darish Vol - Vestara Khai vs Bastilla Shan - Saba Sebatyne vs Mace Windu - Raynor Thul vs Plo Koon
I might have put Mara a tier higher, but this is legit! Also does anyone else feel like Kyp got wasted as a character in the later NJO/legacy books? Like they set him up to be this heavy hitter and even potential Sith candidate but he just fades into the background.
Dude is like Chozen from Cobra Kai in Season 6. So overpowered that they had to limit how many fights he had against major opponents in later stories so that he wouldn’t end the plot right then and there. Had Mara or Kyle brought Kyp to fight Caedus, Caedus would’ve been killed so easily. Kyp can’t solo Caedus, but him assisting Mara or Kyle would’ve certainly guaranteed death for the Sith Lord
True the jedi academy guide said sith kyp durrun was already in darth vader range of raw force power, but later on they nerfed him to put anakin solo Jacen and Jaina on top
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner I don't quite buy that but I get it. I'd agree with you had they handled him consistently from the start. Caedus pretty much low diffed Kyle, which is crazy in itself, and apparently in FOTJ Kyle and Kyp were about the same level?
@@kirtmanwaring3629by feats, Kyle is a much better duelist but kyp is a much better force user. If Caedus had to deal with Kyle in a duel while also defending against kyp’s force attacks, he’d probably lose. The speeder move he used to hit Kyle in the back and into his lightsaber wouldn’t have worked if Kyp was there to throw the speeder at Caedus
As a huge Kyp Durron fan he is my second favorite Jedi in all of canon SW that is 6 George Lucas movies and the EU right behind Luke Skywalker. With all that said I agree they what I like to call Gohan’d him see cause he was built up to be a prodigy in the Jedi Academy Trilogy even with Gantoris before him whom we knew was killed by Exar Kun’s spirit important part as it is a pivotal moment of Luke doubting his capability of a Jedi Master but anyways there is lot of promise to be showed in the Climax of Champions Of The Force, we seen what a monster he is in the NJO novels really true threat to the Vong seeming second to Luke and then LOTF and on he gets sidelined possibly cause he is not a Skywalker/Solo character because Jaina unfortunately becomes the main protagonist and Luke with Anakin Solo and Jacen whom became Caedus dead and FOTJ more so Luke and Ben as Father n Son and Jaina as a collective but I would argue that Kyp is not the only one as are Kyle Katarn where he was front n center in Dark Forces and key character in Jedi Knight games, then you also got Saba Sebatyne, Cilghal that never had central focus since Kyp, Kyle, Mara and Corran all had their moments in a given novel or series. I personally would have Kyp at S tier and drop Jaina as of FOTJ as a Jedi Master in mid or low A tier, put Saba Sebatyne highest A tier over Kyle with her show in during the end of FOTJ Apocalypse having brutally ripped an Avatar of Abeloth part a feat I know Jaina couldn’t pull of and questionable if Kyle can. Nonetheless the NJO did exceed its predecessors that came before since all the Jedi A tier in this list or my list are Yoda tier and stronger. My ranking top 5 are 1. Luke Skywalker 2. Kyp Durron 3. Saba Sebatyne 4. Kyle Katarn 5. Jaina Solo as her Jedi Master FOTJ version huge emphasis because it’s a significant power amp from her LOTF and prior iterations from Knight lvl to Council lvl which would be C tier to low A tier.
I think my only issue with this is your assertion that Kyle and Caedus’s fight was close…it was not. Overlooking the text in the fight, Kyle was unable to land a single hit on Jacen. In fact, the text makes it very clear that twice over, trying to hit Jacen nearly resulted in him being murdered outright.
Agreed. Kyle had a team of Jedi helping him, they had prep time to strategize, had the element of surprise, and Caedus was recovering from injuries from his Luke fight. And yet even with those advantages, Kyle still got defeated in a few pages
Spectacular Video👏🏿🌹🎆 My Vid Request:;All Sith Lords From Weakest to Strongest including Honorable Mentions so we don't have to leave out ppl like The Old Sith Lords on Korriban & Maul & The Lost Tribe,... & Valkorian....... & Anyone who could've easily been a Sith Lord but has never officially held the title⚛️
What if the old republic jedi council and the new republic Jedi council swapped places how would they handle the crisis of those times? Who would do better?
And then we have to consider that there were implications that Allana Djo Solo might surpass them all (though since she wasn't in Star Wars Legacy we can't even speculate)
@@baki484 that's the part that's got me anxious, since i'm planning to do another matchup with Malak, i want to see what he does and use that as a [template]
Exar kun spirit was drained and depleted couldn't used many force abilities he possessed and his mind controlling abilities got weaker with isolation yet corran horn stated that exar kun was far more powerful luke Skywalker leia also confirmed that also said it when luke faced krueller wro was revealing papaltine, kyp durrun said that exar kun was far beyond himself, remember exar kun wasn't at full power as a drained spirit, also tom veich confirmed that alive exar kun was more powerful, also the luke Skywalker that kun defeated by controlling kyp durrun was 2 times stronger than dark empire luke Skywalker who defeated emperor papaltine reborn who also wasn't at full power due to the clone bodies not been stronger enough to contain his dark raw force power, yet kun has statements to be a threat to the cosmic force and the entire universe.
Make a video about characters that never reached their full potential like exar kun was only 26 when his body was destroyed ulic qel droma never reached his potential was cut off from feeling the force, anakin solo died young age 17, darth caedus died young, revan rushed to fight vitiate, vaylin was nerfed by her dad kal vastor never had jedi or sith training papaltine reborn couldn't use his full power because the clone bodies were weak.
In the EU the jedi of luke Skywalker era were far more powerful than the prequels era jedi, want to know why? Luke Skywalker had more knowledge of the force than many prequels jedi, he not only possessed the teaching of obi wan kenobi by scrolls but also yoda and many ancient jedi holocroms he had luke also was trained in the dark side of the force by been trained by papaltine reborn his most powerful version, luke learned how to used dark side abilities without falling, also he learned some ancient sith abilities and lightsaber skills from watching what exar kun taught some of his students that he possessed, exar kun possessed the knowledge of over 100,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills echani and rakatas teaching as he absorbed the knowledge of the dark holocrom which was the most powerful sith holocrom in the mythos, luke also was wasn't as restricted as the prequels masters , his jedi grew far more powerful, and faster unlike the prequels era that only grew stronger by fighting at war training and by the time past by, even the ancient jedi possessed abilities that the prequels era never had like force sever force the wall of light force harmony battle meditation, even ulic qel droma master who wasn't the most powerful jedi master of that era held thousands of extremely powerful sith spirits from consuming entire systems, power scalers need to do more research ood bnar tanked the explosion of 10 exploding super novas
He was never on the Jedi council though, so that’s why he’s not included. From what I know about Evan’s scaling, he’d probably place Cade on A tier either above or below Saba. When he did the Skywalker ranking almost 2 years ago, he had Cade a whole tier above Kol, so I don’t see him ranking Cade a whole tier below Kyp, Kyle and Saba.
So Mara technically beat Jacen (minus the posion) without her lightsaber (just a vibroblade and newly made Shoto) while injured, and tied Kyle Katarn at his peak without much training... but she's weaker than them. Yeah, hard disagree. You got that one wrong. She's A tier. What Mara Jade is, is a character who hates tapping too much into the force as she fears its corrupting potential. She'd just rather listen to its guidance, than spam her powers. This leads to people constantly underestimating her, both in the lore and audience.
Eh there's lots of context you're missing behind Mara's near victory over Caedus. Mara had a great prep time advantage over Caedus in that fight. Yes both knew each other's styles well and they had time to think of how they'd fight each other prior to the fight, but time to strategize is all Caedus had. Mara meanwhile used her prep time advantage to twist the environment massively in favour. For starters, she chose to set the fight inside some super cramped tunnels for a number of reasons. 1) These tunnels would force them to fight in a CQC battle. Mara herself acknowledged that in a standard environment, Caedus would certainly defeat her due to significantly greater force abilities. Forcing the fight (pun intended) in the tight tunnels meant that he wouldn't be able to properly use the force against her. No large objects for him to ragdoll at her, not enough space to effectively fight at a range, etc. Mara choosing to fight in the tunnels meant that Caedus's force advantage was severely crippled. 2) You mention how Mara was without her lightsaber and was instead just using a vibroblade and a shoto. However, this actually gave Mara the ADVANTAGE rather than Caedus. Caedus was using a standard length lightsaber, which had a blade that was much longer than Mara's. In a standard environment, Caedus having a lightsaber and Mara just having her "secondary" blades would be a problem for her. But again, thanks to the environment she chose, Mara's shorter blades worked way better in the tight tunnels, while Caedus couldn't exactly move his blade around properly properly. Imagine you're fighting inside a closet. Would you rather have a shotgun or a pistol? A spear or a dagger? In the tight space, Mara using a shoto and vibroblade gave her the advantage, while Caedus's limited mobility with his lightsaber was a disadvantage. Anyways, now I've established how the tunnels played to Mara's benefit, but there's more. Because Mara was the one waiting for Caedus to come to her, Mara had time to properly analyze the environment and familiarize herself with the environment in a way that Caedus couldn't. This is important because it meant that Mara's advantage as a spy and assassin helped her greatly by allowing her to leverage her stealth advantage. In a standard environment that neither of them know better than the other (say the throne room of the death star, the docking bay in Mos Eisley, the platforms of Kamino, the swamps of dahgobah, etc), Mara can try to use stealth. But when she has time to study the environment beforehand (especially one perfectly suited for stealth), it gives her an unfair advantage. This leads well into my next point which is the unfair injuries she inflicted on Caedus before the fight truly started and her traps. While Caedus was looking for Mara before the fight started, she used her stealth to sneak attack Caedus when he couldn't see her, kicking him in the shin hard enough to crack his knee, greatly hindering his mobility. Already Caedus is more injured than Mara due to her sneak attack. But then after that, Caedus continues to try to find her, where he falls into another trap she'd set up beforehand. Mara had destabilized a portion of the bricks in the shaft, so that when Caedus went right under them, she was able to activate her trap with the force to cause lots of rubble to collapse on him, injuring Caedus severely. Last thing I want to talk about is Caedus's victory. Many people call it a cheap shot, but I call it a tactical use of the force. Creating an illusion to stun an opponent long enough to kill them with a poison dart is a completely valid win in a battle. Caedus's illusions are things he can use at any time without needing any amps or prep time to charge up, so all he did was use his powers effectively to defeat her. So at the end of the day, Mara had a huge environment advantage that limited the effectiveness of Caedus's lightsaber and force powers while improving the effectiveness of Mara's chosen weapons, she had a superior knowledge of the environment that allowed her to use stealth to injure Caedus and hinder his mobility with a surprise attack, and she set up a trap beforehand to give her an even bigger advantage to injure him. Despite all these factors working into her favour, Caedus still ended the fight in victory while Mara died. Had the fight been in a standard environment like in those examples I gave you, Caedus would have full use of his force powers (which Mara admitted would be enough to kill her), full use of his lightsaber, Mara's stealth would be severely less effective, and there'd be no surprise attacks or traps to injure Caedus. Standard environment, Caedus would've smoked Mara. As for Kyle vs Mara, that's a much more debatable topic. I wouldn't say though that Mara was further from her peak than Kyle though, as that's objectively wrong. Mara was born in 17 BBY and was trained by Sidious from a very young age after he took her from her parents. Kyle was born in 23 BBY. He started his Imperial training in 5 BBY, but his only combat training would've been in hand to hand and blasters. He didn't begin his Jedi training until 5 ABY from Qu Rahn's ghost. By the time Mara and Kyle met after 9 ABY, Mara already had at least a decade of training in the force and lightsaber combat over Kyle. So throughout Mara and Kyle's friendship up until LOTF, Mara always had more training and experience than Kyle thanks to her time as the Emperor's Hand. And keep in mind that after LOTF, Kyle grew in skill, experience, knowledge, and power until he reached his peak in FOTJ (well you could argue Crucible, but he does literally nothing in Crucible). Not by a ton, but he still did grow in combat ability. I will say though that Mara > Kyle, while not a take I agree with, is certainly a valid one that I can understand. The thing we have to remember is that Mara had tons of unfair advantages against Caedus (as I already highlighted) and lost Insane Diff, while Kyle had unfair advantages as well (help from some fodder Jedi, prep time to strategize, Caedus was still recovering from his injuries from his fight with Luke in the previous book, element of surprise) and got Mid Diffed. Mara's feat look more impressive, but we have to remember that not only was Kyle fighting a superior version of Caedus (Caedus continually grows in power, skill, knowledge, and experience throughout the series, so LOTF Sacrifice Caedus < LOTF Inferno Caedus < LOTF Fury Caedus), but Kyle wasn't at his FOTJ peak yet. But yeah, Mara is easily ~ Kyle no matter what and I too have her in A tier with Kyle. Bottom of A tier imo, but 2 tiers below Kyle seems unfair.
Oh Evan. Timestamps pre-made on release? You spoil us!
For real 😂
We are blessed to have timestamps.
This is gonna be very informative and entertaining. BTW bro Star Wars Theory and Stupendous Wave mentioned you, Jensaarai1, and Antoine Bandele again during one of their podcast episodes. They know you man, and they spoke very highly of you. Just thought you should know. 👍🏼
Not too much of a fan of SWT but glad he gave the GOATs a shoutout
Well that's mighty kind of SWT. Despite being the biggest SW content creator, he recognizes the OGs
Which video if you don't mind me asking?
Mara already held an advantage against Kyle Katarn during Mysteries of the Sith. Katarn was closer to his prime than Mara was at that time.
Star Wars Theory is a narcissistic loser
You have no idea how much I appreciate that you still upload. I've been subbed to you on 3 different accounts, starting over 10 years ago when I was still a child. Thank you, Evan.
I remember I used to watch your stuff maybe 5-7 years ago, stopped for a long while for whatever reasons (new interests and stuff), and rediscovered your stuff months ago. I am very glad I did.
32:53 Have you ever thought of doing a Top 5 or Top 10 list of your favourite Expanded Universe duels (either specifically in novels or including all formats such as comics, the SWTOR Cinematics and 2003 Clone Wars)?
I have. I definitly think it would be a lot of fun.
@EvanNova95 cool.
On my BIRTHDAY? You bless us!
Happy Birthday, and may the force be with you!
Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday!!
@@EvanNova95 Omfg thank you! You always inspired me to push myself when it came to literary analysis and as a writer. You're the best dude!
Congratulations and happy birthday
I see new vid, I like....but I am still waiting impatiently for Darth Malak VS. Count Dooku!!!
it's cool learning about the niche masters never used in battle videoes.
Very well put together video my man. Once again you have proven that the Star Wars OG EU surpasses the Disney version.
Every single time you drop is a blessing G.
Truly one of the OGs of the Game🔥✊
My escape from the politics and war on TH-cam….
Thank you Evan!
Now, time to snack on some Jedi Force essence.
This may sound odd but I’m actually glad that Disney isnt working on the EU. They’d just ruin, I’d much rather have the EU continued by someone who really knows the lore and is passionate about like Evan.
“Somehow Plagueis has returned”
Disney star wars writers aren't talented enough to keep continuity consistency and power scaling intact
Hey Evan! To not make it overly sappy and cringe, Star Wars is my home away from home. My favorite thing in the entire world outside of my loved ones and I just wanted to thank you for uploading this and all your other content. My friends are casual Star Wars fans at best so conversations about the books and Legends content takes place between me, myself and I lol. This channel and community make me so happy because it’s so fun to hear and talk to other people who are just as passionate about these characters and this universe as I am. Long story short, keep it up and may the force be with you!
Not cringe at all my friend. I too am the only one in my social life who loves Legends Star Wars. Only got like 2 friends who know a bit about legends, but not enough for a whole conversation about legends. *sigh* if only my dad liked Legacy of the Force instead of the Sequel Trilogy. But yeah, that’s the beauty of Versus Series. It’s the safe haven for us Legends fans to discuss Legends Star Wars.
I def get the feel. Not cringe.
These videos are always great listens and the comment sections are always great. There have been some crazy conversations that Ive had over the years. Even though my interested in legends has waxed over the years, I still come back.
I've been looking forward to this
Oh I miss the EU I would have loved the future stories of all these Jedi
waking up to a birthday gift from even is awesome! thanks
Happy Birthday!
@ thanks!
@@WeaponsRemorsehe dropped the prequel Jedi council ranking video on my birthday😂😅 you are now the second person in this comment section I’ve seen whose birthday is on Dec 11th
@ well mine is on the 12th lol
Thank you, Evan. It’s my birthday and waking up to see this is genuine surprise, I’ve been looking forward to this one.
Thank you for still making videos, it’s a blessing, truly
@@blaynerotycoon8821 Happy Birthday!
Happy Birthday, and may the force be with you!
It’s someone else’s birthday in the comments as well
OHHHHHH this is great! I have something to look forward to when I get home tonight. 10/10 man, very excited to see this!
Fantastic video as usual! Would you ever be interested in doing one of these ranking videos for Vader's apprentices? I don't think people realize just how many he had in legends and I think it'd be neat to rank them even if everyone knows Galen Marek and Lumiya will be at the top of the ranking
Don’t forget the Starkiller Clone
@@Wes_Bradley-Taubnerand I guess the Dark Apprentice clone? While the non canon ending is…non canon, the unlockable cutscenes showing his training are so he does exist in legends canon
That sounds interesting. :)
Evan I was just annoyed about not having enough time tonight to watch an entire Star Wars film and you bless me with this. Perfect time before work. 12 hour shift ahead 😅.
In the future could we get a few more down to coruscant match ups? Lighter powered characters compared to the sithari gods and skywalker powerhouses in the latest show downs.
If I could make a few suggestions I would be over the moon to see match ups like:
Aura Sing Vs Kamari Vosa
Rahm Kota Vs Ferus Olin
Star Forge Bastila Vs Barris Offee
Sharad Hett Vs Yaddle
Kir Kanos Vs Proxy
This is where the fun begins
Heck yeah! Love the videos Evan
I'm really glad this content is getting made, because when it was coming out I was not very fond of it. But I think it's valuable info.
41:03 Love the Ultra Ego reference 😏🫡🤝🤜🤛
THIS WAS SO GOOD THANK YOU FOR THE VIDEO!!
Just never forget, we could've had films/stuff about this council, one that aren't ignorant of the force/are emotional - IF they were adapted faithfully - instead we got rey palpatine and high republic.....
My plan is to start reading the New Jedi Order books the exact same day that Disney’s New Jedi Order movie is released. The biggest 🖕I can give Disney. Begin the true NJO the day their njo movie comes out
Congratulations, your videos are always exceptional! You research every single thing, and always justify your view or your decisions. It's always a pleasure listening to your ranking or versus videos! Congratulations and greetings from Greece 🇬🇷
Haven"t even got through the intro and I know imma watch this like 3 times lol.
Thank you Evan !!:)
Hells yeah, thank you for another video D
Great video as always, Evan. I agree than Mara is a bit more powerful than Corran and I do think she’s a slightly better duellist since she was able to stalemate Lumiya twice who could injure GM Luke (I also think she should have won the lightsaber duelling skills round in your VS video of her and Cade Skywalker since he only crossed blades with Krayt once).
Something that should be mentioned about Kol Skywalker is that he killed several Stormtroopers and Sith and has no visible injuries implying he did it with ease.
I think people really low ball Mara Jade. She’s really powerful. Like a lot more powerful than Jedi of the clone wars. She had an actual sword fight and then a hand to hand fight in her duel with lumiya and was going to win had the ship not interfered. Lumiya is someone who could swap blades with a pissed off Luke in their last duel before he killed her. Not Ventress, Not Savage, Not Maul would be able to do that. maul tried killing obi wan on florrum and he dodged his attacks and kicked maul twice and then fended both of maul and savage off while being trapped in a tunnel. Obi wan had to create space and maneuver in the limit space he was given outmanned and out sabered. If people think maul is all that, then why didn’t he choose to kill him instead of running away after force pushing him? Nah people trip when they say maul fought Palpatine for a few moments. Mara would crush those Sith.
It is always a blast when you upload.
Thanks for uploading in this drought.
Just made my day! Can’t wait! 👍😊
Oh ho! I’ve been looking forward to this!!!
Glad to see u back Evanm awsoma as always
Been waiting a long time for this one congrats bro!!
Great video! Love it
Glad to see peak as ever, thanks a bunch Evan!
K'Kruhk with hat not in S Tier? This list is ass.
But seriously, thank you Evan for continuing to upload another great video. And for giving NJO the respect it deserves.
You’re truly and OG Evan
Happy early Christmas for us!!
Video is so well made as usual and the rankings are so fleshed out again! I guess I personally would have the same order except I would have jaina in the A tier behind Saba, her combat skill as sword of the Jedi would be top tier but she’s never shown power feats to really put her over those 3 there, if the series continued she could have shown more power but since they ended I don’t think she got to that point
About time!
Love your videos so much, keep em coming!!!! ❤
Great summary! It's a shame we didn't see more out of Octa Ramis, nor post redemption Kyp.
I agree with the entire list except I do think a reasonable argument can be made that Kyp is in S tier with Luke and Jaina. At the bottom of the list. However I feel like the black hole feat is enough to put him in that same degree as the Skywalkers in S. But I respect your opinion!
When it come to stats and skills, you are the best TH-camr out there
Hyped for the vid although it does go without saying who will be the top dog in this ranking as well lol.
Mesa so happy to be seeing this today.
Yo he’s back!
Awesome! 1 min after posting 😊
Thank you!
I’m a come back and listen when I work
It would be interesting to see a ranking on the Order of the Sith Lords (Bane through Palpatine/Vader), the Emperors Hands, the One Sith and the Lost Tribe of the Sith. And if doing a non Force-based (Jedi/Sith) ranking is interesting to you, perhaps a ranking of greatest pilots (Han Solo, Wedge Antilles, Soontier Fel, etc) or admirals/fleet commanders and possibly other ideas
May the force be with you!
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*sigh* the second time in the past 2 years that you've dropped an hour+ long video the day before I have a huge final exam. Well, that hour of Star Wars lore was well spent, so now I better study harder today.
My personal ranking goes like this.
S+ Tier
- Full Potential Luke Skywalker
- Full Potential Jaina Solo Fel
- Full Potential Kol Skywalker
S Tier
- Luke Skywalker
A Tier
- Jaina Solo Fel
- Kyp Durron
- Kyle Katarn
- Corran Horn
- Mara Jade Skywalker
B Tier
- Kol Skywalker
- Saba Sebatyne
- Grandmaster K’Kruhk
- Tresina Lobi
C Tier
- Kam Solusar
- Kenth Hamner
- T’ra Saa
D Tier
- Cilghal
- Octa Ramis
E Tier
- Tionne Solusar
F Tier
- Barratk’l
- Tili Qua
So ultimately, the only big differences I notice is that I rank Mara, Corran and K’Kruhk higher than you do, and I rank Kenth and Saba waaay lower. Otherwise, I generally agree with most of the rankings here.
Another well researched and informative video. Merry Christmas, Evan.
Jaina's showings against Caedus is heavily misrepresented in this video. Caedus was multiple cuts above her, Jaina admitted multiple times that her brother would kill her in a force duel if he wanted. In the first duel, Jaina didn't win, because at the end she could barely swing her saber while Caedus could still deflect blaster bolts with ease, and she admitted herself that the fact that her brother was still standing is proof that his force powers far exceed hers. She was massively amped by Luke, such that when she felt the loss of the amp, she became a shadow of when she engaged her brother.
In the second duel, Caedus basically ragdolled her. She cheapshotted him with a saber to the gut, which would have killed or at least incapacitated literally any other human (Caedus did the same to Katarn and it ended the fight instantly), yet Caedus remained conscious enough to send a force wave that made Jaina wish she was dead. The only reason why it was close was 1. Caedus was seriously injured, and 2. Caedus was more focused on saving his daughter. Take away either of his physical or mental advantages, and Caedus would stomp her. The fact that it was a draw at the end of it (Caedus could have taken her down with him) is proof that Jaina dosen't stand a chance against her brother in a fair fight.
Jaina is at best a low A tier character. Any character who stands at the apex of the food chain would slap her into a coma.
True Jaina ecan said that when Jacen was meditating he got so intunned with the force that it looks like he was fading in and out of existence and he was growing more powerful rapidly only flew force users had archive that such as exar kun vitiate papaltine luke Jacen solo anakin solo and anakin Skywalker
I was thinking the same and I say peak Jaina in FOTJ when she becomes Jedi Master pulled off her best feats like fighting 1000s of Lost Tribe of the Sith members for days with little sleep which also Corran Horn pulled off as well whom is a high C tier I think she too belongs A tier, Kyp Durron should be S Tier demonstrating planetary lvl Feats in the NJO only second to Luke Skywalker they just kinda Gohan’d him having him sidelined during LOTF and FOTJ cause he’s not a main character or a Skywalker/Solo, Jaina was clearly dead sub average in LOTF Jedi Knight level only getting a amp between LOTF to FOTJ to be average Council level at best even then Kyp ragdolls her in Dark Journey novel with ease we clearly know she was beneath him the entire NJO and LOTF you mean to tell me she can become stronger than him in that one power amp that suggests she is mid level Council level at best with a character that can rival Darth Krayt, Darish Vol, Sarasu Taalon, Shimrra Jamaane and stronger than Darth Caedus, Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Reborn, Darth Plagueis? I don’t think so. I would put Saba Sebatyne over Kyle Katarn and Jaina because I don’t know how’d they hold off against a Avatar of Abeloth acknowledged it’s only a fraction of true Abeloth’s power even then speaks volumes, well I know Jedi Master Jaina wouldn’t pull off what Saba did maybe Kyle could so I would say peak prime FOTJ Jaina is little below Kyle Katarn if not equal. In conclusion fair assessment to place FOTJ/Crucible Jaina A tier definitely above Mara Jade and Corran Horn, LOTF Jaina is a mid C tier at best not near Council level.
I would also add Darth Krayt, Kyp Durron, Darish Vol these are all characters that directly scale off of GM Luke Skywalker and few characters that can actually rival him.
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Very informative video, though I admit I thought Saba would be higher than Kyle! Love your work and have you thought about doing a Sith scaling video? Maybe top 10 strongest?
K'kruk, is my favorite along side Luke.
Great video! You should make a video comparing it to its cannon counterpart, oh wait…
Hell yeah I been waiting for this one I think Kyp Durron should be S Tier maybe being that I’m a Kyp fanboy, but the Black Hole feat during the Yuuzhan Vong is a planetary feat in the Force this was NJO Kyp he does kinda get thrown to the curb during FOTJ which is a shame cause he could’ve gotten stronger more skilled well never know I would put him above Jaina that isn’t hypothetical Full Potential achieved I always figured him being second to Luke in the NJO with his Feats and fierce sparring duels with Luke Skywalker, dude was a secondary threat to Yuuzhan Vong behind Luke, I also think in LOTF if it was Kyp instead of Kyle going after Darth Caedus the results would’ve been much different since Kyp has real OP Raw Connection to the Force you would’ve had a defeated and detained Sith Lord since Kyp is more aggressive than Luke and wasn’t emotionally distressed during his clash with Caedus. I would also prolly have Saba Sebatyne over Kyle due to her show in FOTJ Apocalypse facing off an Avatar of Abeloth and brutally executing it possibly high A tier while Kyp is high S Tier second to Luke with Jaina low S Tier at third place imo. Great vid as always Evan love the content was wondering if you could do a general ranking of Power in Sith Lords I think that be kool. Some Versus ideas I had are.
- Kyp Durron vs Darth Krayt
- FOTJ Jaina Solo vs Reborn Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious from Dark Empire
- Yoda vs Emperor Vitiate
- Shimrra Jamaane vs Darish Vol
- Vestara Khai vs Bastilla Shan
- Saba Sebatyne vs Mace Windu
- Raynor Thul vs Plo Koon
A suprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Of course Luke Skywalker would obviously be high on the list, being Grand Master and all.
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I woud also place Mara above Saba given her performance against Lumyia.
Facts. Mara was beating someone who could fight against Grandmaster Luke. That’s way better than what Saba did
Here we go!
I like to believe that there is only one Chosen One. No more than that.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
I might have put Mara a tier higher, but this is legit! Also does anyone else feel like Kyp got wasted as a character in the later NJO/legacy books? Like they set him up to be this heavy hitter and even potential Sith candidate but he just fades into the background.
Dude is like Chozen from Cobra Kai in Season 6. So overpowered that they had to limit how many fights he had against major opponents in later stories so that he wouldn’t end the plot right then and there.
Had Mara or Kyle brought Kyp to fight Caedus, Caedus would’ve been killed so easily. Kyp can’t solo Caedus, but him assisting Mara or Kyle would’ve certainly guaranteed death for the Sith Lord
True the jedi academy guide said sith kyp durrun was already in darth vader range of raw force power, but later on they nerfed him to put anakin solo Jacen and Jaina on top
@Wes_Bradley-Taubner I don't quite buy that but I get it. I'd agree with you had they handled him consistently from the start. Caedus pretty much low diffed Kyle, which is crazy in itself, and apparently in FOTJ Kyle and Kyp were about the same level?
@@kirtmanwaring3629by feats, Kyle is a much better duelist but kyp is a much better force user. If Caedus had to deal with Kyle in a duel while also defending against kyp’s force attacks, he’d probably lose. The speeder move he used to hit Kyle in the back and into his lightsaber wouldn’t have worked if Kyp was there to throw the speeder at Caedus
As a huge Kyp Durron fan he is my second favorite Jedi in all of canon SW that is 6 George Lucas movies and the EU right behind Luke Skywalker. With all that said I agree they what I like to call Gohan’d him see cause he was built up to be a prodigy in the Jedi Academy Trilogy even with Gantoris before him whom we knew was killed by Exar Kun’s spirit important part as it is a pivotal moment of Luke doubting his capability of a Jedi Master but anyways there is lot of promise to be showed in the Climax of Champions Of The Force, we seen what a monster he is in the NJO novels really true threat to the Vong seeming second to Luke and then LOTF and on he gets sidelined possibly cause he is not a Skywalker/Solo character because Jaina unfortunately becomes the main protagonist and Luke with Anakin Solo and Jacen whom became Caedus dead and FOTJ more so Luke and Ben as Father n Son and Jaina as a collective but I would argue that Kyp is not the only one as are Kyle Katarn where he was front n center in Dark Forces and key character in Jedi Knight games, then you also got Saba Sebatyne, Cilghal that never had central focus since Kyp, Kyle, Mara and Corran all had their moments in a given novel or series. I personally would have Kyp at S tier and drop Jaina as of FOTJ as a Jedi Master in mid or low A tier, put Saba Sebatyne highest A tier over Kyle with her show in during the end of FOTJ Apocalypse having brutally ripped an Avatar of Abeloth part a feat I know Jaina couldn’t pull of and questionable if Kyle can. Nonetheless the NJO did exceed its predecessors that came before since all the Jedi A tier in this list or my list are Yoda tier and stronger. My ranking top 5 are
1. Luke Skywalker
2. Kyp Durron
3. Saba Sebatyne
4. Kyle Katarn
5. Jaina Solo as her Jedi Master FOTJ version huge emphasis because it’s a significant power amp from her LOTF and prior iterations from Knight lvl to Council lvl which would be C tier to low A tier.
I think my only issue with this is your assertion that Kyle and Caedus’s fight was close…it was not.
Overlooking the text in the fight, Kyle was unable to land a single hit on Jacen. In fact, the text makes it very clear that twice over, trying to hit Jacen nearly resulted in him being murdered outright.
Agreed. Kyle had a team of Jedi helping him, they had prep time to strategize, had the element of surprise, and Caedus was recovering from injuries from his Luke fight.
And yet even with those advantages, Kyle still got defeated in a few pages
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Man I wonder who the number one spot might be, couldn’t guess.
You can’t forget Rosh Penin 😂
What if the old republic jedi council and the new republic Jedi council swapped places how would they handle the crisis of those times? Who would do better?
has Saba ever had a versus video?
Not to my knowledge, that need's to change.
I've never made one with her, but I would like to use her someday.
After seeing this I wonder how she’d measure up to a KOTOR Sith like Malak or Traya, or perhaps further back like Exar or Ulic
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And then we have to consider that there were implications that Allana Djo Solo might surpass them all (though since she wasn't in Star Wars Legacy we can't even speculate)
Ben Skywalker was going to be the strongest as he got a especial training from luke after he defeated abeloth
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Make one of Anakin Skywalker. God of the force my friend.
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okay, not trying to push or maybe it's because i'm impatient, but when is the Malak vs Dooku matchup coming?
Jensaarai one has his part to do.
@@baki484 that's the part that's got me anxious, since i'm planning to do another matchup with Malak, i want to see what he does and use that as a [template]
Will there be a follow up with dark side users in these eras ?
Can you do how poweful were the Yuuzhan Vong?
Evan. How would you Scale the S tier prequel council characters if they were in this video?
Luke Skywalker vs Darth Krayt?
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Exar kun spirit was drained and depleted couldn't used many force abilities he possessed and his mind controlling abilities got weaker with isolation yet corran horn stated that exar kun was far more powerful luke Skywalker leia also confirmed that also said it when luke faced krueller wro was revealing papaltine, kyp durrun said that exar kun was far beyond himself, remember exar kun wasn't at full power as a drained spirit, also tom veich confirmed that alive exar kun was more powerful, also the luke Skywalker that kun defeated by controlling kyp durrun was 2 times stronger than dark empire luke Skywalker who defeated emperor papaltine reborn who also wasn't at full power due to the clone bodies not been stronger enough to contain his dark raw force power, yet kun has statements to be a threat to the cosmic force and the entire universe.
Desann would be on the Bottom of A tier
Make a video about characters that never reached their full potential like exar kun was only 26 when his body was destroyed ulic qel droma never reached his potential was cut off from feeling the force, anakin solo died young age 17, darth caedus died young, revan rushed to fight vitiate, vaylin was nerfed by her dad kal vastor never had jedi or sith training papaltine reborn couldn't use his full power because the clone bodies were weak.
And pretty much most Skywalkers as well due to either premature death or Disney ending the continuity
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I think you used titular incorrectly
In the EU the jedi of luke Skywalker era were far more powerful than the prequels era jedi, want to know why? Luke Skywalker had more knowledge of the force than many prequels jedi, he not only possessed the teaching of obi wan kenobi by scrolls but also yoda and many ancient jedi holocroms he had luke also was trained in the dark side of the force by been trained by papaltine reborn his most powerful version, luke learned how to used dark side abilities without falling, also he learned some ancient sith abilities and lightsaber skills from watching what exar kun taught some of his students that he possessed, exar kun possessed the knowledge of over 100,000 years of sith magic archemy rituals lightsaber skills echani and rakatas teaching as he absorbed the knowledge of the dark holocrom which was the most powerful sith holocrom in the mythos, luke also was wasn't as restricted as the prequels masters , his jedi grew far more powerful, and faster unlike the prequels era that only grew stronger by fighting at war training and by the time past by, even the ancient jedi possessed abilities that the prequels era never had like force sever force the wall of light force harmony battle meditation, even ulic qel droma master who wasn't the most powerful jedi master of that era held thousands of extremely powerful sith spirits from consuming entire systems, power scalers need to do more research ood bnar tanked the explosion of 10 exploding super novas
Bro sparring is not a measurement of ful skills and raw power they hold back massively expecially luke kyp leia anakin solo and jacen
You ever done Fencing or anything like that, you "hold back" as not to hurt etch other but it's still a good measurement of skill.
Wait I thought Cade would also be included I'm guessing he would be B tier
He was never on the Jedi council though, so that’s why he’s not included.
From what I know about Evan’s scaling, he’d probably place Cade on A tier either above or below Saba. When he did the Skywalker ranking almost 2 years ago, he had Cade a whole tier above Kol, so I don’t see him ranking Cade a whole tier below Kyp, Kyle and Saba.
Lets be honest. We all know who number 1 is.
So Mara technically beat Jacen (minus the posion) without her lightsaber (just a vibroblade and newly made Shoto) while injured, and tied Kyle Katarn at his peak without much training... but she's weaker than them. Yeah, hard disagree.
You got that one wrong. She's A tier.
What Mara Jade is, is a character who hates tapping too much into the force as she fears its corrupting potential. She'd just rather listen to its guidance, than spam her powers. This leads to people constantly underestimating her, both in the lore and audience.
Eh there's lots of context you're missing behind Mara's near victory over Caedus.
Mara had a great prep time advantage over Caedus in that fight. Yes both knew each other's styles well and they had time to think of how they'd fight each other prior to the fight, but time to strategize is all Caedus had. Mara meanwhile used her prep time advantage to twist the environment massively in favour. For starters, she chose to set the fight inside some super cramped tunnels for a number of reasons. 1) These tunnels would force them to fight in a CQC battle. Mara herself acknowledged that in a standard environment, Caedus would certainly defeat her due to significantly greater force abilities. Forcing the fight (pun intended) in the tight tunnels meant that he wouldn't be able to properly use the force against her. No large objects for him to ragdoll at her, not enough space to effectively fight at a range, etc. Mara choosing to fight in the tunnels meant that Caedus's force advantage was severely crippled. 2) You mention how Mara was without her lightsaber and was instead just using a vibroblade and a shoto. However, this actually gave Mara the ADVANTAGE rather than Caedus. Caedus was using a standard length lightsaber, which had a blade that was much longer than Mara's. In a standard environment, Caedus having a lightsaber and Mara just having her "secondary" blades would be a problem for her. But again, thanks to the environment she chose, Mara's shorter blades worked way better in the tight tunnels, while Caedus couldn't exactly move his blade around properly properly. Imagine you're fighting inside a closet. Would you rather have a shotgun or a pistol? A spear or a dagger? In the tight space, Mara using a shoto and vibroblade gave her the advantage, while Caedus's limited mobility with his lightsaber was a disadvantage. Anyways, now I've established how the tunnels played to Mara's benefit, but there's more. Because Mara was the one waiting for Caedus to come to her, Mara had time to properly analyze the environment and familiarize herself with the environment in a way that Caedus couldn't. This is important because it meant that Mara's advantage as a spy and assassin helped her greatly by allowing her to leverage her stealth advantage. In a standard environment that neither of them know better than the other (say the throne room of the death star, the docking bay in Mos Eisley, the platforms of Kamino, the swamps of dahgobah, etc), Mara can try to use stealth. But when she has time to study the environment beforehand (especially one perfectly suited for stealth), it gives her an unfair advantage. This leads well into my next point which is the unfair injuries she inflicted on Caedus before the fight truly started and her traps. While Caedus was looking for Mara before the fight started, she used her stealth to sneak attack Caedus when he couldn't see her, kicking him in the shin hard enough to crack his knee, greatly hindering his mobility. Already Caedus is more injured than Mara due to her sneak attack. But then after that, Caedus continues to try to find her, where he falls into another trap she'd set up beforehand. Mara had destabilized a portion of the bricks in the shaft, so that when Caedus went right under them, she was able to activate her trap with the force to cause lots of rubble to collapse on him, injuring Caedus severely. Last thing I want to talk about is Caedus's victory. Many people call it a cheap shot, but I call it a tactical use of the force. Creating an illusion to stun an opponent long enough to kill them with a poison dart is a completely valid win in a battle. Caedus's illusions are things he can use at any time without needing any amps or prep time to charge up, so all he did was use his powers effectively to defeat her. So at the end of the day, Mara had a huge environment advantage that limited the effectiveness of Caedus's lightsaber and force powers while improving the effectiveness of Mara's chosen weapons, she had a superior knowledge of the environment that allowed her to use stealth to injure Caedus and hinder his mobility with a surprise attack, and she set up a trap beforehand to give her an even bigger advantage to injure him. Despite all these factors working into her favour, Caedus still ended the fight in victory while Mara died. Had the fight been in a standard environment like in those examples I gave you, Caedus would have full use of his force powers (which Mara admitted would be enough to kill her), full use of his lightsaber, Mara's stealth would be severely less effective, and there'd be no surprise attacks or traps to injure Caedus. Standard environment, Caedus would've smoked Mara.
As for Kyle vs Mara, that's a much more debatable topic.
I wouldn't say though that Mara was further from her peak than Kyle though, as that's objectively wrong. Mara was born in 17 BBY and was trained by Sidious from a very young age after he took her from her parents. Kyle was born in 23 BBY. He started his Imperial training in 5 BBY, but his only combat training would've been in hand to hand and blasters. He didn't begin his Jedi training until 5 ABY from Qu Rahn's ghost. By the time Mara and Kyle met after 9 ABY, Mara already had at least a decade of training in the force and lightsaber combat over Kyle. So throughout Mara and Kyle's friendship up until LOTF, Mara always had more training and experience than Kyle thanks to her time as the Emperor's Hand. And keep in mind that after LOTF, Kyle grew in skill, experience, knowledge, and power until he reached his peak in FOTJ (well you could argue Crucible, but he does literally nothing in Crucible). Not by a ton, but he still did grow in combat ability.
I will say though that Mara > Kyle, while not a take I agree with, is certainly a valid one that I can understand. The thing we have to remember is that Mara had tons of unfair advantages against Caedus (as I already highlighted) and lost Insane Diff, while Kyle had unfair advantages as well (help from some fodder Jedi, prep time to strategize, Caedus was still recovering from his injuries from his fight with Luke in the previous book, element of surprise) and got Mid Diffed. Mara's feat look more impressive, but we have to remember that not only was Kyle fighting a superior version of Caedus (Caedus continually grows in power, skill, knowledge, and experience throughout the series, so LOTF Sacrifice Caedus < LOTF Inferno Caedus < LOTF Fury Caedus), but Kyle wasn't at his FOTJ peak yet.
But yeah, Mara is easily ~ Kyle no matter what and I too have her in A tier with Kyle. Bottom of A tier imo, but 2 tiers below Kyle seems unfair.