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In mhabharta math was played iike a game. King kanse was told the 7th born from your sister will kill you. then Rishi nard told him he placed 7 no.s on a circle asked him that 7th no. can be any no. so King killed all the six kids, butksisna was changed with girl.
Despite the overwhelming frustration I felt at the host's handling of the discussion, I can see its value. As someone who similarly felt alienated from the universe of mathematics I believe the host's reactions expose the many flaws in the way we are taught to understand and view mathematics which lead to these very misconceptions. It is human nature to mock, undervalue and (passive) aggressively ridicule what makes no sense to us, even when sense can be made of the thing which we do not understand. I admire how expertly these guests salvaged the discussion with neither arrogance or rudeness. They maintained control of the discussion at all times and manipulated it rather beautifully. This conversation was like watching a game in which the guests, in collaboration, used the most abstract parts of the host's blabbing to pretend that they weren't insulted and that a good point was just brought up with a very interesting answer which could be related back to mathematics. Is there a math castle in the math reality... They should rename this video "the defending of mathematics."
i know this is old but wow you very elegantly put into words exactly how i felt about this. now i have a better understanding of myself and i how i desire to communicate and the tools to do so.thank you.
I thought the same way too. People in the comments are too aggressive towards the host while initially he admitted that he has very little knowledge about the subject. It is commendable that atleast he is trying to question and keep his focus while sitting between such esteemed experts of their fields. As a rookie in a subject, it is natural that you ask stupid questions and come out as buffoons coz you are a buffoon in that subject. There is nothing to shit about on that person for this matter. During the talk I had to rewind back and forth to understand what they meant about the stuff they spoke about so casually. This just shows the depth of their knowledge. I had to stop the video at 29 minutes coz it started going over my head. Maybe I will come back to this video some other time. But seriously, people these days need to be more accepting and less aggressive.
I had to give up half way. The host completely derailed what could have been a very interesting discussion. Through his own lack of understanding, he repeatedly coerced the speakers into somehow "defending" mathematics. It can be interesting to have a lay moderator, but they must be willing to sit back and allow the experts to tell their passionate stories.
This all draws in people like SeaFran who can't see where it leads. Why don't you try negating some terms and see if you can't work out the me-you comment.. If you try to build too much, too quickly, with true/false logic then you end up with robots who deliver quintessential TH-cam comments. TL;DR MeYou comment is very much a frequency graph of English words used in comment sections mixed with some good trolls aimed at nerds who seek to appear exceptionally intelligent
This is like overhearing unstructured banter in a bar. The moderator tried to make every response into a joke. He wasn't versed enough to moderate effectively. For a math panel, there was no structure.
If you were referring to Robert Krulwich, note that he is a journalist, not a mathematician. You may have judged someone too harshly and on the wrong basis.
56:56 - Of *course* we know how the computer reached the answer. That's something we know *exactly* in the sense that it is following a program written by a human. The process might be longer than any human can hold in their head as a single idea, but it's a specific set of steps that are well defined (and were defined by a human). If you wanted to you could drill this down to the sequential action of every transistor in the computer, or even to the semiconductor physics inside the silicon. All of this is perfectly well defined, and is a product of *design*. I apply this claim to *all* computer algorithms, including those we call "artificial intelligence." The computer *still* followed the set of steps it followed because it was directed to by a human-designed algorithm. We have a tendency to think of things that involve "enough complexity" as being somehow different - some how not as "purely algorithmic" as processes that we can hold in our minds, but there's really no difference. Computers do exactly what they are told, and *nothing* more. Absolutely nothing we've created to date breaches this principle in the slightest bit.
I first read the comments and description before commenting. I found value in this video. It is educational. One will walk away with more information/understanding than they started with. Target audiences may include a youngin who is on the cusp of being intrigued by and interested in pursuing studies and/or a career in mathematics. The video feels like a teaser / buffet of what could be a main course. The host certainly facilitates stop/start of topics. Perhaps, that was intentional.
I do not understand why, after collecting three professional mathematicians on stage, a huge portion of the time is spent on how mathematics is taught and graded in, essentially, K-12. If people feel deprived of story telling and context in math, this was the place to get it. Instead, the host and an audience member vented their frustration in the general direction of their guests, not providing any fodder for their expertise or anecdotes.
Pretty entertaining, host had some funny twists on his questions and to my sense of humor it bite effectively well! Always enjoyable to see Keith and Marcus talking, but also pleased to find out new names to me like Simon and Jonathan. Together they can easily show you, why mathematics is so fascinating.
Miss-titled? Yes it is, but it does show a wonderful insight into some of the greatest Mathematicians that have lived and that are still living. Thanks guys for a very interesting video. (More please)!
Tristan describes mathematical truth while explaining 'what is a fixed point?' While Tristan is drinking his morning coffee, he drops a spoonful of powder, and stirs, and watch the powder settle, finding a single grain at the center that did not move while stirring. That is a mathematical 'fixed point'. Mathematical reality is distinct from physical reality, defining a premise that churns out the correct answer, that gives mathematics its intrinsic beauty.-!!!
Krulwich keeps interrupting and changing the subject before his previous question can be answered fully. Krulwich looks like Seinfeld's TV mother, Ann Sheridan.
Maths governs..., maths set in motion...Maths doesn't "do" anything. It can be used to describe a lot of physical processes with various degress of accuracy and can in many cases be used to predict results of physical experiments we have not yet perfomed. E.g., whether a bridge will stay standing once we have built it or whether a Higgs boson can decay into fermions. Maths also has a great deal to say about various mathematical objects which have no counterparts in physical reality. I.e., they only exist in the minds and papers of mathematicians, such as that there is no largest prime number, or that a non-empty complete metric space is not the countable union of nowhere-dense sets.
Too little justice was done to the most important subject of all that have been referred to in this series. Please, dedicate another panel to Mathematics. Hosts of this kind of series should have a knowledge and understanding of the subject matter they are dealing with, that goes at least beyond grade school. This person never understood that mathematics is not arithmetic and his questions and comments prevented interesting topics to be addressed. I also would have loved to see more pure mathematicians that don't have anything to do with journalism. What a disappointment.
Depending on the level you want there are some like - the Numberphile videos, with many short videos by mathematicians - the 3Blue1Brown series has many beautiful short videos - "The Code" documentaries (3) for the history of Mathematics - Some lectures from Stanford, or from the Clay Institute, or some other famous institutions.
There is something very twisted out there in this universe which have always left our minds from very early times full of unfulfilled curious questions which keeps on growing. If only our mind untwists the twisted universe we would surely become the unquestionable beings (beings without any queries left), the Eternal equations if solved and we are one equivalent with the outside existence. The liberated one. So these are one of the mere tools used at the very basic levels to untwist the eternal universal curiosity filled questions.
The same story as with Wiener happened to my late friend a Ukrainian mathematician. He got an apartment from his university, and his wife did all the moving. One day she told him she plans finally move to the new apartment and he is to come after work there. As a result, he came to the old apartment and was very distressed seen nothing and nobody there
@Hypatia4242 I get you, I suppose the main mystery they discussed was how people get inspired to do/love math. Otherwise, the panel was still pretty insightful/intriguing. "When you find a proof in math, and it's true, it's true forever."
Absolutely fantastic. I love maths though am far from it now, I loved what Simon said and appreciate the efforts of many youtubers like 3B1B, mathologer n numberphile to show that ‘aha’ perspective. One particular thing about this panel which I liked is that, unlike several academic panels, here the discussions were very fluid and easy to grasp. I don know if the panel targeted the audience to include non-mathematicians but if so, it certainly par succeeded doing that.
The World Science Festival does host numerous and enlightening guests. It is often that from these discussions, I am pressed to explore the speakers via their personal websites, talks, and writings. What I find deeply troubling is the host. He does an exceptionally disheartening job of representing the character of someone who does not know about a topic. One positive thing that I can say about the host is that he helps me to build a much needed ignore filter which is applied whenever the host is engaging in what comes naturally to him. I am not saying that the host is not a thoughtful and passionate gentleman. He may simply be not well-suited for hosting public events.
I was a good swimmer but unfortunately in highschool sports there none of it. I was put as a goalie in football because my height and the fact that instead of ducking the ball that the coach kicked at me i captured it. Suddenly when pair orienteering was put as an option everybody and their uncle wanted to pair with me. Somehow I was the only guy who could read a map. In class I always sat in the first row because I was myopic and it was easier to see what was written on the blackboard, but every exam I was sat into the backrow so that no-one could read over my shoulder what I answered. In lower classes I made lots of money letting people sat behind me. About infinitesimals: Try real numbers. There is no such animal in the universe. In the universe everything is quintified and thus can be described with rational numbers all the way through. But the equiations look so much better on real numbers so we approximate rational world with real numbers.
Love the quote: "If you can lay down, close your eyes, and work like hell...then you're a mathematician." Well, by that definition, I am definitely a mathematician. I have not had a spare moment in my thoughts from mathematical formulations since I was 21 years old...working like hell indeed
...listen up, this is the first time i've found someone who as a commentator can represent the "common" man in such a forum, like i'm pushing 70 and was always in awe of mathemeticians and never could grasp some of the more basic ideas. Are you a math-man?, can you follow stuff like this without a moderator?, if so, why is it you don't move on to a higher, more intelectual ground and take your negativity with you? Personally, he did a great job!
36:00 Spot on! In the 8th grade I had a math teacher who literally did not know how to spell 'algebra' and had no college degree either. Needless to say I was not in that school much longer.
...could your teacher (your word) teach maths ( yuk inglish) or not? You don't say. i taught the language without a college degree very successfully for thirty years to adults and i earned a load of bread, and i still use spellcheck... the inglish language is murder to master, mate.
That's what exactly happened with me. I was interested in Maths till Junior High. Then, A year of bad Math teacher later....I went on into Biology. I still love whole of the science, I am a dentist, but I could have been a scientist I believe. A cosmologist. Is it too late to start now??...I wonder.
I was questioning how numbers function if we hadn't got math with us and here are some findings I got. As a kid, we don't know how to count. We only have the concept of few and many. Even as a child, if you are not taught numbers and counting, you would tell your mom or dad "Look, there are many leaves on the ground." Or "Look, there were plenty of nuts, I ate a few of them but still many are left." Also, if there are say 20 peanuts with you and you group them, with say, one peanut in one group, 15 peanuts in second, 4 peanuts in 3rd, as a kid or animal, you would interpret them as 3 different entities. But my question here is since you don't have concept of numbers, how can you tell there are 3 different entities. It might be possible that automatically, every living being is able to interpret small numbers. You have to be trained to understand bigger numbers. I heard somewhere that it has been researched that chimpanzees can count till 7. So, it just shows that untrained brain can interpret numbers but in small quantities. Once things start increasing in quantity, more abstract and analogous thinking comes into picture. You might group things to make it interpretable for yourself. This also proved to me that math is not something inherent in nature or something we are born with. This kind of abstract thinking has to be trained by us. There might be a few exceptional kids who might be able to interpret bigger numbers too automatically but that would be genetic. I am not sure if there is such a research there. Second reason why math can't be inherent is that base 10 numbers are being used today. It might be possible that for some people some other base might be possible. For example, for me, I think base 3 would make much more sense coz for me, I can notice 3 things only at a time. Anything above that becomes too overwhelming. So, if in my world, counting worked like this - 0, 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc. math would've been easier for me. If you have read till here please share your thoughts in reply.
WebGuy1000 - Domino Entertainment Yang-mills theory. You ask a poignant question. To the uninitiated, it looks absurd that the human mind could ever stumble on to such a horrible beast. But if you plod along and put the time in - it becomes obvious and is not nearly as foreboding as it looks. You just aren't familiar with the symbols and what they mean. I'm not saying it is a cakewalk to get there....you really DO need to invest the time and effort.
The language of mathematics is beyond human imagination. That is why I discovered not only new theories of time that the motions of Tropics are faster than the Temperates, but also two recording technologies of time governed by three categories of four years. Faster motions of three categories of four years called Ethiopian calendar , where simultaneously slower motions of three categories of four years called Gregorian calendar.
Jesus, this interviewer. To him Maths = numbers. That's all he knows so he keeps talking about it. That's ignorant for a layman, and staggeringly stupid for an interviewer in WSF. I hope the organizers never make this mistake again.
28:00 In language there IS a wrong way to spell something, but there can be MORE than one RIGHT was to spell it. Color and colour for example. 2X2=4 in England, the US, Mexico, Iran, and even in the Andromeda Galaxy.
***** Translate this into Spanish, "Be careful, that chili is really hot." To translate "hot" into Spanish, do you use caliente" (temperature) or picante (spicy) It could be ether one. This sentence doesn't contain enough information to know which Spanish word for "hot" should be used. You have to guess, and it's 50-50 if you get it right or wrong.
+Eric Taylor your reply is useless with a language tool memories fadehm tender is be one piece now I lazy it my problem and I really leave you with the rest.
Concepts supposedly exist that we then give names to. Those names often have definitions that are attached to those names. What if our basic notion of what a concept actually is, is flawed? How would we ever know?
+cgm778 I think I would have to disagree with one at least in part. Some concepts seem to transcend even humans which would mean they exist outside of humans. Some concepts humans only discover and then they give names to them. Humans invented the name "concepts", but not necessarily all the concepts that actually exist. And what concepts might still exist that are beyond our current human perceptions that have yet to be named? We truly do not know what we do not know.
Charles Brightman I think we agree on at least your last statement; we do not know what we do not know. I take that a little further and say what does not affect us we can not know (and we don't need to know). Remove the negatives from that and we get: we can only know what affects us. We know how things affect us, it's through physical interactions, light and motion. Physics, biology and the related sciences gives us a perfectly useful explanation of how we sense and perceive things. All of that can be accounted for with just four fundamental forces gravity, electromagnetism and the two nuclear forces (although the nuclear forces may not be needed to understand perception). Given that, where are these concepts that exist apart from us? And through what force do they have an effect on us?
+cgm778 Well, a few things: 1. I yet still have to disagree with you on a point. " I take that a little further and say what does not affect us we can not know (and we don't need to know)." Electromagnetic radiation has supposedly existed in this universe since day one. It certainly affects us. We only discovered it's existence just a couple of hundred years ago or so. It's discovery has led to not only a better understanding of the environment we exist in, but even of ourselves. 2. Yes, modern science recognizes four fundamental forces of nature. The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electro-magnetic radiation energy. I propose that there are only three forces of nature and not four as follows: a. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them. b. Electrons and protons are both charged particles that each have a magnetic field associated with them. c. In school, we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. d. When the electron is in an atom at close proximity to the nucleus, it in essence generates a 360 degree spherical magnetic field. e. Like charged protons stick together inside this magnetic field while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field. f. There are no such thing as "gluons". g. Two of the forces of nature, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, are derivatives of the magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons. h. The nucleus is probably a magnetic field boundary. i. Quarks, which also supposedly have a charge, would also probably have a magnetic field associated with them. Possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different quarks. j. The quarks magnetic field interactions are how and why neutrons and protons are formed as well as why neutrons and protons stay inside the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do. k. There is probably a Magnetic Field Theory to the Atomic Structure. 3. I believe chemical element #119 (8s1) exists and can be found inside black holes and chemical element #120 (8s2) can be found inside stars. Knowing this helps us to better understand the environment we exist in. 4. Personally, I believe energy, energy frequency, and the interactions of energy and energy frequencies are what consciousness actually is as well as what thoughts actually are. If these concepts are really true, that could also help us better understand ourselves including the very thoughts we think right now. 5. I will be the first to admit I could be wrong as I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know.
Charles Brightman That certainly a very different theory than any theory held by physicists today. You should formalize it, test it and show it does a better job than current theories. If you do I think you're sure to get a Nobel Prize and 1x10^6 dollars. Good Luck!!
18:29 Most historians of mathematics admit that the evidence --essentially for calculating the volume of a truncated square pyramid in the Moscow Papyrus---is not solid
We don't have words for more than 3, if we were the bird without numbers we could do "hunter", then "another" and finally "next one" or "even another" but beyond 3 it really is just an ambiguous "group" or "more" estimate. So if the Amazonians wanted to raise their price, they would simply say "more" until the estimate looks good. We do this with sharing candy all the time. Sharing M&M's I'd say more if my wife gave me 2, but I wouldn't want an entire handful.
[Mathematics and Physics - Ideal and Actual Worlds]: Mathematics is often called a language that describes nature or its changes or movements, and is also used as a tool to model logic and judge their right and wrong. Is mathematics simply an artificial thing created by human beings? Even its representing symbols are artificial, is a concept or a logic inherent? If it is inherent, does it exist only together with nature, or does it exist more priory and originally than nature? The various symbols and expressions used in mathematics must have been defined by humans. But it can not be said that the concepts and theories in it are also artificial things created by humans. For example, when describing a natural law with an expression, the law can not be said to have been created by a human being, and when any right logic is expressed by a formula, the logic itself can not be said to have been created by man. The law of nature - if the law is right, regardless of whether it is good or bad to human beings - is a description of mathematical modeling of the causal relationship that the same phenomenon always occurs in the same condition in the physical world. It is a logical problem that human beings can not intervene. The main task of physicists is to find these laws or principles that exist in nature. And engineers - even though they find such laws or principles themselves - make them available as machines or products mediated through matter, so that the found laws or principles can be used in real life. However, the individual cases that occur in nature or are applied in real life correspond to special cases of actual cases that - can be expressed as numerical values - are infinitely possible in these mathematically modeled natural laws and principles. Thus, realization in nature and everyday humans life can be said to be the realization of some cases of mathematics based on matter. In this case, if the mathematical logic is wrong, the behavior of the manufactured product will not work consistently with the corresponding principle as it is predictable, and - especially for satellite or missile - remote observing, monitoring, control, adjusting, management and maintenance will not be possible. The question is that if there is a perpetual logic that human beings have found or thought out through thinking, even not in nature, that is always judged to be right for anyone who thinks right, transcending the physical space and time, anywhere, anytime, then who made the logic and how can it always remain right? Examples of such logic include the consequences of reasoning proven through various pure mathematical axioms or rational thought processes. As an example, the logic of the most basic arithmetic rules (addition, subtraction, multiplication and division) has been found and used separately in different parts of the world in the past when traffic and communication never developed, and the logic that the physical world is finite and always changes has never been denied and confirmed right in natural daily life. Thus, mathematics, logic, and philosophy are more primitive than physics, and they are independent of the physical world - or have no relevance to physics - and have been able to study independently. Concept or right reason has been felt to exist before the physical world. Plato felt mathematics as the domain of the Idea world and the God’s world. Mathematics deals with infinity, but physics rejects infinity. This is because the world of matter is fundamentally a finite world, and mathematics can handle any logical world away from the physical world. For example, the theorem that the sum of two sides is greater than the other side in a triangle - corresponding to the pure concept of logic that the straight line distance is shorter than a certain curve distance - is right in the ideal world, but it is impossible to realize it perfectly in the actual world where refraction occurs even in light. Repeating the process of bisecting each line of the oblique sides and attaching them to the base side on an equilateral triangle in an infinite number of turns, results in the final that the sum of the two oblique sides becomes equal to the base, and the above theorem becomes wrong. This means that it is not possible in the actual world to repeat the bisecting without any loss and infinitely. The Pythagorean theorem that the square of the base of a right triangle plus the square of the height equals the square of the hypotenuse, and the mathematical formulas that determine the circumference or width of a circle are also ideal cases. In he actual world, we can not make perfectly right triangles or circles without error. This is why some industrial products (eg, construction, machinery, electronics, etc.) used in the actual world can not be completely perfect, and - this is because the physical world is ceaselessly and interchangingly changing as a whole - have limited performances and life spans. And we may understand that the fact that the natural exponents and cosmological constants (eg, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter π, natural exponent e, light speed c, Planck constant h, Difference between mathematics and physics in 0 and infinite handling: Physics deals with the physical world. And mathematics deals with the logic world. Physics deals with a world in which material existence exists, and mathematics deals with a logical world that may not require any material existence. Therefore, in physics, zero (0) and infinity are not handled. The physical world treats the change mainly on the assumption that there exist somewhat physically in finite space-time, and it does not handle the case that existence is infinity. In other words, physics deals mainly with the existence of certain physical beings in a finite world. However, mathematics can treat zero (0) without physical existence, and also treat infinity. The world without a physical being is a primordial world, and the world of infinity means to contain all possible cases. Thus, physics corresponds to special cases of mathematics and can be explained based on mathematics. In other words, the laws of physics appear as mathematical expressions in special cases in various cases in mathematics. This shows that the physical world is a realization of a part of the logical world. (Extracted from OnCharm Lee’s book “Humans & Truth”)
If the universe is fundamentally mathematical then black holes are most likely the consequence of the universal equation fracticly expressing itself as the remainder of the equation, black holes may appear separate & in different locations in space time but fundamentally they might all be connected leading to the source of our dimension or maybe even to the source of creation itself. I do not think mere flesh & blood could ever penetrate through a black hole, I imagine the only way to pass through the event horizon unscathed would be to create an existential bubble detached from the universe itself, I do not think this would ever be possible in the near future but it's mind blowing to think about.
Correction: The word is "maths", an abbreviation of "mathematics", which is clearly a plural word. Those who say and spell "math" are thought to have a speech impediment. Cheers, Bruce.
Math is the greatest achievement of the human mind. Math can break every logical and illogical boundary. With Math you can be like a God, playing with a universe that you haven't really created it and it haven't really created you. Its still a mystery, maybe the greatest one.
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I think There's just Something about Math that is much more easier to understand more than science bcuz Math is all about patterns and symmetry and it's a kind of Language that's what make it more easier to understand than any kind of languages.
Gord Davison It took me 3 times to finally get calculus. The third time I had a teacher that explained it in a way that I understood. It's odd how some fields of mathematics I got right off the bat (linear algebra and statistics) and how some were a complete struggle that took a long time to sink in (trig and calculus).
Mediator definitely ruined the potential of a very interesting talk... Hopefully WSF will do another conversation on the subject only with actual depth of conversation this time (like the 'Exploring Hyperspace' video)
I have an interesting question on infinity: If I have an infinite number of peanuts and I eat just one, would I still have an infinite number of peanuts left?
Lino Ventura I am a mathematics phd student. Infinities are unbounded concepts. If you take any infinity and take away a bounded amount what is left is unbounded. Your algebra on the statement with I-1=I does not hold as infinities do not have the algebra you want them to have. Example 0*infty can be any value depending on what 0 and what infinity you have. Now this may blow your mind, there are infinities such that if you take away a particular infinity then you are left with a smaller infinity.
Imagine an elevator going up into infinity (infinite number of floors). You are on the ground floor. Now you somehow remove that ground floor. Just hack it away or cover it with dirt - whatever. How many floors does the elevator have left? Look up - it's still infinity, isn't it? So the literal, short answer to your question is - yes. And I'm just trying to demonstrate in simpler terms what another poster already told you. (Although I must say he was a little bit sloppy in the part about taking one infinity from another but that's far beyond our today's lesson ;-) sorry).
can any one tell who developed compounding formula ............. A=p(1+r/100)^N .............. eienstien called it eight wonder of the world ............... it changed my life ........ now I know if I compound my stock portfolio by 25% it will be 100 times in 20 years......... this formula is very important for stock market investors
It's really very simple...If you want to have a great group discussion about mathematics...CHOOSE A MODERATOR WHO'S A REAL MATHEMATICIAN! Brian Greene leads these great discussions on physics because he's a real physicist. Sean Carroll does great interviews with scientists because he's a scientist. But these geniuses let a guy moderate a mathematics roundtable whose first admission to the audience is that he knows next to NOTHING about mathematics. I'm up here smfh...
frustrating host questions could have been a lot better not just ask dumb questions that are not really interesting to answer but also interrupts others
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In mhabharta math was played iike a game. King kanse was told the 7th born from your sister will kill you. then Rishi nard told him he placed 7 no.s on a circle asked him that 7th no. can be any no. so King killed all the six kids, butksisna was changed with girl.
Glad to see you remembered to include Marcus in the list of participants. You forgot him on the one about genius
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there are infinite numbers.... for a crow, its 4 lol
Despite the overwhelming frustration I felt at the host's handling of the discussion, I can see its value. As someone who similarly felt alienated from the universe of mathematics I believe the host's reactions expose the many flaws in the way we are taught to understand and view mathematics which lead to these very misconceptions. It is human nature to mock, undervalue and (passive) aggressively ridicule what makes no sense to us, even when sense can be made of the thing which we do not understand. I admire how expertly these guests salvaged the discussion with neither arrogance or rudeness. They maintained control of the discussion at all times and manipulated it rather beautifully. This conversation was like watching a game in which the guests, in collaboration, used the most abstract parts of the host's blabbing to pretend that they weren't insulted and that a good point was just brought up with a very interesting answer which could be related back to mathematics. Is there a math castle in the math reality... They should rename this video "the defending of mathematics."
+SHI atheatricalpiece That's why I liked it, and yep its been mis-named.
📚☕🥡 more bodily inspections damnit
i know this is old but wow you very elegantly put into words exactly how i felt about this. now i have a better understanding of myself and i how i desire to communicate and the tools to do so.thank you.
I thought the same way too. People in the comments are too aggressive towards the host while initially he admitted that he has very little knowledge about the subject.
It is commendable that atleast he is trying to question and keep his focus while sitting between such esteemed experts of their fields. As a rookie in a subject, it is natural that you ask stupid questions and come out as buffoons coz you are a buffoon in that subject. There is nothing to shit about on that person for this matter. During the talk I had to rewind back and forth to understand what they meant about the stuff they spoke about so casually. This just shows the depth of their knowledge. I had to stop the video at 29 minutes coz it started going over my head. Maybe I will come back to this video some other time.
But seriously, people these days need to be more accepting and less aggressive.
He interrupts so much. My god
I had to give up half way. The host completely derailed what could have been a very interesting discussion. Through his own lack of understanding, he repeatedly coerced the speakers into somehow "defending" mathematics. It can be interesting to have a lay moderator, but they must be willing to sit back and allow the experts to tell their passionate stories.
Ditto
@me you I strongly recommend proof reading the structure of your comment before attacking the competence of others.
This all draws in people like SeaFran who can't see where it leads. Why don't you try negating some terms and see if you can't work out the me-you comment.. If you try to build too much, too quickly, with true/false logic then you end up with robots who deliver quintessential TH-cam comments. TL;DR MeYou comment is very much a frequency graph of English words used in comment sections mixed with some good trolls aimed at nerds who seek to appear exceptionally intelligent
@@TheJayhawkjoe thank you for sharing that with me, it's expanded my outlook on things a little more than yesterday.
@SeaFran Sorry about the personal @. Harsh, I admit it.
I'm falling more and more in love with mathematics. I also understand the importance of theoretical physics.
Very motivating talk thank you panelists
This is like overhearing unstructured banter in a bar. The moderator tried to make every response into a joke. He wasn't versed enough to moderate effectively. For a math panel, there was no structure.
Fantastic panel answering questions of no consequence by a child who cannot understand the answers he recieves
what who is a child there?!
@@v3le Maybe he's referring to himself.
If you were referring to Robert Krulwich, note that he is a journalist, not a mathematician. You may have judged someone too harshly and on the wrong basis.
56:56 - Of *course* we know how the computer reached the answer. That's something we know *exactly* in the sense that it is following a program written by a human. The process might be longer than any human can hold in their head as a single idea, but it's a specific set of steps that are well defined (and were defined by a human). If you wanted to you could drill this down to the sequential action of every transistor in the computer, or even to the semiconductor physics inside the silicon. All of this is perfectly well defined, and is a product of *design*.
I apply this claim to *all* computer algorithms, including those we call "artificial intelligence." The computer *still* followed the set of steps it followed because it was directed to by a human-designed algorithm. We have a tendency to think of things that involve "enough complexity" as being somehow different - some how not as "purely algorithmic" as processes that we can hold in our minds, but there's really no difference.
Computers do exactly what they are told, and *nothing* more. Absolutely nothing we've created to date breaches this principle in the slightest bit.
When you feel you have something to contribute, when you are "onto something" Time starts to tick loudly.
This was a great exercise in listening to five people talk at the same time and trying to get something out of it.
I loved the host! 😂 He is hilarious, very friendly and left the guests completely at ease. Great video!
I first read the comments and description before commenting. I found value in this video. It is educational. One will walk away with more information/understanding than they started with. Target audiences may include a youngin who is on the cusp of being intrigued by and interested in pursuing studies and/or a career in mathematics. The video feels like a teaser / buffet of what could be a main course. The host certainly facilitates stop/start of topics. Perhaps, that was intentional.
I first started to understand - and get good at - mathematics after I learned algebra.
I fell in love with it for life after calculus.
Tried watching this again . . but the moderator is just too horrible.
I can't stand hearing him ask such stupid questions.
me too, after i've learned and understood tigonometry i felt in love with the arithmetics
I do not understand why, after collecting three professional mathematicians on stage, a huge portion of the time is spent on how mathematics is taught and graded in, essentially, K-12. If people feel deprived of story telling and context in math, this was the place to get it. Instead, the host and an audience member vented their frustration in the general direction of their guests, not providing any fodder for their expertise or anecdotes.
Pretty entertaining, host had some funny twists on his questions and to my sense of humor it bite effectively well! Always enjoyable to see Keith and Marcus talking, but also pleased to find out new names to me like Simon and Jonathan. Together they can easily show you, why mathematics is so fascinating.
Miss-titled? Yes it is, but it does show a wonderful insight into some of the greatest Mathematicians that have lived and that are still living. Thanks guys for a very interesting video. (More please)!
Tristan describes mathematical truth while explaining 'what is a fixed point?'
While Tristan is drinking his morning coffee, he drops a spoonful of powder, and stirs, and watch the powder settle, finding a single grain at the center that did not move while stirring. That is a mathematical 'fixed point'.
Mathematical reality is distinct from physical reality, defining a premise that churns out the correct answer, that gives mathematics its intrinsic beauty.-!!!
Krulwich keeps interrupting and changing the subject before his previous question can be answered fully.
Krulwich looks like Seinfeld's TV mother, Ann Sheridan.
Say what you want about the host, but I thought he did an excellent job. He kept the conversation lively.
Maths governs..., maths set in motion...Maths doesn't "do" anything. It can be used to describe a lot of physical processes with various degress of accuracy and can in many cases be used to predict results of physical experiments we have not yet perfomed. E.g., whether a bridge will stay standing once we have built it or whether a Higgs boson can decay into fermions. Maths also has a great deal to say about various mathematical objects which have no counterparts in physical reality. I.e., they only exist in the minds and papers of mathematicians, such as that there is no largest prime number, or that a non-empty complete metric space is not the countable union of nowhere-dense sets.
Too little justice was done to the most important subject of all that have been referred to in this series. Please, dedicate another panel to Mathematics. Hosts of this kind of series should have a knowledge and understanding of the subject matter they are dealing with, that goes at least beyond grade school. This person never understood that mathematics is not arithmetic and his questions and comments prevented interesting topics to be addressed. I also would have loved to see more pure mathematicians that don't have anything to do with journalism. What a disappointment.
Are there any lectures on TH-cam that you would recommend with pure mathematicians? I'm genuinely interested.
Depending on the level you want there are some like
- the Numberphile videos, with many short videos by mathematicians
- the 3Blue1Brown series has many beautiful short videos
- "The Code" documentaries (3) for the history of Mathematics
- Some lectures from Stanford, or from the Clay Institute, or some other famous institutions.
I absolutely agree,, "math is important." WOW! What a revelation. This video is a complete waste of time, for all the reasons you just gave.
Salvador Gutierrez You don't get to just play with numbers without discussing the philosophy behind it. I find you comment ignorant and revolting.
There is something very twisted out there in this universe which have always left our minds from very early times full of unfulfilled curious questions which keeps on growing. If only our mind untwists the twisted universe we would surely become the unquestionable beings (beings without any queries left), the Eternal equations if solved and we are one equivalent with the outside existence. The liberated one. So these are one of the mere tools used at the very basic levels to untwist the eternal universal curiosity filled questions.
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Well now I'm feeling melancholy. Because it's over and I absolutely loved it, wanted this talk to go on and on and on.
The same story as with Wiener happened to my late friend a Ukrainian mathematician. He got an apartment from his university, and his wife did all the moving. One day she told him she plans finally move to the new apartment and he is to come after work there. As a result, he came to the old apartment and was very distressed seen nothing and nobody there
Wow, That introduction proved that MATHEMATICS and Physics and other science exists in everything.
@Hypatia4242 I get you, I suppose the main mystery they discussed was how people get inspired to do/love math. Otherwise, the panel was still pretty insightful/intriguing. "When you find a proof in math, and it's true, it's true forever."
Abstract and Linear Algebra, my new frontier.
Absolutely fantastic. I love maths though am far from it now, I loved what Simon said and appreciate the efforts of many youtubers like 3B1B, mathologer n numberphile to show that ‘aha’ perspective. One particular thing about this panel which I liked is that, unlike several academic panels, here the discussions were very fluid and easy to grasp. I don know if the panel targeted the audience to include non-mathematicians but if so, it certainly par succeeded doing that.
What!? You found this easy? I lost track mid way man
Are you preparing for JEE?
The World Science Festival does host numerous and enlightening guests. It is often that from these discussions, I am pressed to explore the speakers via their personal websites, talks, and writings. What I find deeply troubling is the host. He does an exceptionally disheartening job of representing the character of someone who does not know about a topic. One positive thing that I can say about the host is that he helps me to build a much needed ignore filter which is applied whenever the host is engaging in what comes naturally to him. I am not saying that the host is not a thoughtful and passionate gentleman. He may simply be not well-suited for hosting public events.
I was a good swimmer but unfortunately in highschool sports there none of it. I was put as a goalie in football because my height and the fact that instead of ducking the ball that the coach kicked at me i captured it. Suddenly when pair orienteering was put as an option everybody and their uncle wanted to pair with me. Somehow I was the only guy who could read a map. In class I always sat in the first row because I was myopic and it was easier to see what was written on the blackboard, but every exam I was sat into the backrow so that no-one could read over my shoulder what I answered. In lower classes I made lots of money letting people sat behind me.
About infinitesimals: Try real numbers. There is no such animal in the universe. In the universe everything is quintified and thus can be described with rational numbers all the way through. But the equiations look so much better on real numbers so we approximate rational world with real numbers.
Love the quote: "If you can lay down, close your eyes, and work like hell...then you're a mathematician." Well, by that definition, I am definitely a mathematician. I have not had a spare moment in my thoughts from mathematical formulations since I was 21 years old...working like hell indeed
Some work like hell, others are having fun like Richard Feynman.
Confusion between concept and expression (or tool, or realization). Changing of the basic hypothesis.
They ought to remove all the "hosts" from these WSF discussions, and just let the experts talk. The hosts ALWAYS just detract from the discussion.
Maybe you just don't like his agressive and mocking style, but he was able to catch all the flaws in the answers.
...listen up, this is the first time i've found someone who as a commentator can represent the "common" man in such a forum, like i'm pushing 70 and was always in awe of mathemeticians and never could grasp some of the more basic ideas. Are you a math-man?, can you follow stuff like this without a moderator?, if so, why is it you don't move on to a higher, more intelectual ground and take your negativity with you? Personally, he did a great job!
36:00 Spot on! In the 8th grade I had a math teacher who literally did not know how to spell 'algebra' and had no college degree either. Needless to say I was not in that school much longer.
...could your teacher (your word) teach maths ( yuk inglish) or not? You don't say. i taught the language without a college degree very successfully for thirty years to adults and i earned a load of bread, and i still use spellcheck... the inglish language is murder to master, mate.
That's what exactly happened with me. I was interested in Maths till Junior High. Then, A year of bad Math teacher later....I went on into Biology. I still love whole of the science, I am a dentist, but I could have been a scientist I believe. A cosmologist. Is it too late to start now??...I wonder.
Thanks from Denmark
I watched all your documentaries move professor Marcus du Sautoy, thank you
I enjoyed this conversation thank you!
life is not fair but it is just. just, right on time. perfection
It’s nice to hear the word maths and mathematics apposed to “MATH”
It is all the same to me..shit.
WHEN A BODY IS IN MOTION THAT EVENT CAN BE DISCRIBE IN MATH AND THEN THE MOTION BECOMES EMOTION I UNDERSTOOD THE SECRET OF THE UNIVERSE :D
Presenter: Robert Krulwich (Radio & Television Journalist)
Panelists: Keith Devlin, Jonathan Borwein, Marcus du Sautoy, Simon Singh
J.Borwein died 1 year later. R.I.P J.Borwein.
His dad, David Borwein now 97 years old.
I was questioning how numbers function if we hadn't got math with us and here are some findings I got.
As a kid, we don't know how to count. We only have the concept of few and many. Even as a child, if you are not taught numbers and counting, you would tell your mom or dad "Look, there are many leaves on the ground." Or "Look, there were plenty of nuts, I ate a few of them but still many are left." Also, if there are say 20 peanuts with you and you group them, with say, one peanut in one group, 15 peanuts in second, 4 peanuts in 3rd, as a kid or animal, you would interpret them as 3 different entities. But my question here is since you don't have concept of numbers, how can you tell there are 3 different entities. It might be possible that automatically, every living being is able to interpret small numbers. You have to be trained to understand bigger numbers. I heard somewhere that it has been researched that chimpanzees can count till 7. So, it just shows that untrained brain can interpret numbers but in small quantities. Once things start increasing in quantity, more abstract and analogous thinking comes into picture. You might group things to make it interpretable for yourself.
This also proved to me that math is not something inherent in nature or something we are born with. This kind of abstract thinking has to be trained by us. There might be a few exceptional kids who might be able to interpret bigger numbers too automatically but that would be genetic. I am not sure if there is such a research there.
Second reason why math can't be inherent is that base 10 numbers are being used today. It might be possible that for some people some other base might be possible. For example, for me, I think base 3 would make much more sense coz for me, I can notice 3 things only at a time. Anything above that becomes too overwhelming. So, if in my world, counting worked like this - 0, 1, 2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, etc. math would've been easier for me.
If you have read till here please share your thoughts in reply.
in my point of view ,math is the god of universe and logics are angels around him...and higher category theory is the math of mathematics
I was just explaining the universe is always moving they say at the speed of light
Keith is wearing the same shirt I saw him wearing in one of his lectures
1:27 How do you ever come up with this??!!
WebGuy1000 - Domino Entertainment Yang-mills theory. You ask a poignant question. To the uninitiated, it looks absurd that the human mind could ever stumble on to such a horrible beast. But if you plod along and put the time in - it becomes obvious and is not nearly as foreboding as it looks. You just aren't familiar with the symbols and what they mean. I'm not saying it is a cakewalk to get there....you really DO need to invest the time and effort.
The hardest thing in mathematics is in qualitative analysis like unit of measurement which is the greatest human creation
The language of mathematics is beyond human imagination. That is why I discovered not only new theories of time that the motions of Tropics are faster than the Temperates, but also two recording technologies of time governed by three categories of four years. Faster motions of three categories of four years called Ethiopian calendar , where simultaneously slower motions of three categories of four years called Gregorian calendar.
Was Simon Singh on numberphile, talking about Fermat’s last Theorem and the simpsons??
Jesus, this interviewer. To him Maths = numbers. That's all he knows so he keeps talking about it. That's ignorant for a layman, and staggeringly stupid for an interviewer in WSF. I hope the organizers never make this mistake again.
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You think that's bad, my secondary school teacher referred to Maths as "Sums"
don't use the name of Jesus in vain, the name of Jesus is salvation
David Aragon Jesus isn't real
@@davidaragon687 The name of Jesus is Jesus lol wtf are you on
28:00 In language there IS a wrong way to spell something, but there can be MORE than one RIGHT was to spell it. Color and colour for example. 2X2=4 in England, the US, Mexico, Iran, and even in the Andromeda Galaxy.
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A rose by any other name.
I can say 2x2=4 or two times two equals four.
No matter what symbol you use, 2x2 is ALWAYS 4.
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Translate this into Spanish, "Be careful, that chili is really hot."
To translate "hot" into Spanish, do you use caliente" (temperature) or picante (spicy)
It could be ether one. This sentence doesn't contain enough information to know which Spanish word for "hot" should be used. You have to guess, and it's 50-50 if you get it right or wrong.
+Eric Taylor your reply is useless with a language tool memories fadehm tender is be one piece now I lazy it my problem and I really leave you with the rest.
Is there any Chance to meet one of these People? I´m not a Student but I want to know how with a little advice it might help =)
What is the size of a point and how many points does make a circle?
Concepts supposedly exist that we then give names to. Those names often have definitions that are attached to those names. What if our basic notion of what a concept actually is, is flawed? How would we ever know?
+Charles Brightman Humans invented the concepts and the names so they only flawed when the concepts stop being useful.
+cgm778 I think I would have to disagree with one at least in part. Some concepts seem to transcend even humans which would mean they exist outside of humans. Some concepts humans only discover and then they give names to them.
Humans invented the name "concepts", but not necessarily all the concepts that actually exist. And what concepts might still exist that are beyond our current human perceptions that have yet to be named? We truly do not know what we do not know.
Charles Brightman I think we agree on at least your last statement; we do not know what we do not know. I take that a little further and say what does not affect us we can not know (and we don't need to know). Remove the negatives from that and we get: we can only know what affects us.
We know how things affect us, it's through physical interactions, light and motion. Physics, biology and the related sciences gives us a perfectly useful explanation of how we sense and perceive things. All of that can be accounted for with just four fundamental forces gravity, electromagnetism and the two nuclear forces (although the nuclear forces may not be needed to understand perception).
Given that, where are these concepts that exist apart from us? And through what force do they have an effect on us?
+cgm778 Well, a few things:
1. I yet still have to disagree with you on a point. " I take that a little further and say what does not affect us we can not know (and we don't need to know)." Electromagnetic radiation has supposedly existed in this universe since day one. It certainly affects us. We only discovered it's existence just a couple of hundred years ago or so. It's discovery has led to not only a better understanding of the environment we exist in, but even of ourselves.
2. Yes, modern science recognizes four fundamental forces of nature. The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electro-magnetic radiation energy.
I propose that there are only three forces of nature and not four as follows:
a. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them.
b. Electrons and protons are both charged particles that each have a magnetic field associated with them.
c. In school, we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel.
d. When the electron is in an atom at close proximity to the nucleus, it in essence generates a 360 degree spherical magnetic field.
e. Like charged protons stick together inside this magnetic field while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field.
f. There are no such thing as "gluons".
g. Two of the forces of nature, the strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force, are derivatives of the magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons.
h. The nucleus is probably a magnetic field boundary.
i. Quarks, which also supposedly have a charge, would also probably have a magnetic field associated with them. Possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different quarks.
j. The quarks magnetic field interactions are how and why neutrons and protons are formed as well as why neutrons and protons stay inside the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do.
k. There is probably a Magnetic Field Theory to the Atomic Structure.
3. I believe chemical element #119 (8s1) exists and can be found inside black holes and chemical element #120 (8s2) can be found inside stars. Knowing this helps us to better understand the environment we exist in.
4. Personally, I believe energy, energy frequency, and the interactions of energy and energy frequencies are what consciousness actually is as well as what thoughts actually are. If these concepts are really true, that could also help us better understand ourselves including the very thoughts we think right now.
5. I will be the first to admit I could be wrong as I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know.
Charles Brightman That certainly a very different theory than any theory held by physicists today. You should formalize it, test it and show it does a better job than current theories. If you do I think you're sure to get a Nobel Prize and 1x10^6 dollars. Good Luck!!
I'm actually watching this to the end because of the host, it gives the discussion new dynamics.
i listen to this when i do my homework and sometimes i wonder why 4 men are arguing over a mystery of the mathematical universe
Negative accelerates time. Positive slows it down. Reduce the weigh in your hand and less weight to carry. Hence: i = -1
That history dropout blew my mind: virtue particles.
Alpha Omega
18:29 Most historians of mathematics admit that the evidence --essentially for calculating the volume of a truncated square pyramid in the Moscow Papyrus---is not solid
We don't have words for more than 3, if we were the bird without numbers we could do "hunter", then "another" and finally "next one" or "even another" but beyond 3 it really is just an ambiguous "group" or "more" estimate. So if the Amazonians wanted to raise their price, they would simply say "more" until the estimate looks good. We do this with sharing candy all the time. Sharing M&M's I'd say more if my wife gave me 2, but I wouldn't want an entire handful.
[Mathematics and Physics - Ideal and Actual Worlds]: Mathematics is often called a language that describes nature or its changes or movements, and is also used as a tool to model logic and judge their right and wrong.
Is mathematics simply an artificial thing created by human beings? Even its representing symbols are artificial, is a concept or a logic inherent? If it is inherent, does it exist only together with nature, or does it exist more priory and originally than nature?
The various symbols and expressions used in mathematics must have been defined by humans. But it can not be said that the concepts and theories in it are also artificial things created by humans.
For example, when describing a natural law with an expression, the law can not be said to have been created by a human being, and when any right logic is expressed by a formula, the logic itself can not be said to have been created by man.
The law of nature - if the law is right, regardless of whether it is good or bad to human beings - is a description of mathematical modeling of the causal relationship that the same phenomenon always occurs in the same condition in the physical world. It is a logical problem that human beings can not intervene.
The main task of physicists is to find these laws or principles that exist in nature. And engineers - even though they find such laws or principles themselves - make them available as machines or products mediated through matter, so that the found laws or principles can be used in real life.
However, the individual cases that occur in nature or are applied in real life correspond to special cases of actual cases that - can be expressed as numerical values - are infinitely possible in these mathematically modeled natural laws and principles. Thus, realization in nature and everyday humans life can be said to be the realization of some cases of mathematics based on matter.
In this case, if the mathematical logic is wrong, the behavior of the manufactured product will not work consistently with the corresponding principle as it is predictable, and - especially for satellite or missile - remote observing, monitoring, control, adjusting, management and maintenance will not be possible.
The question is that if there is a perpetual logic that human beings have found or thought out through thinking, even not in nature, that is always judged to be right for anyone who thinks right, transcending the physical space and time, anywhere, anytime, then who made the logic and how can it always remain right?
Examples of such logic include the consequences of reasoning proven through various pure mathematical axioms or rational thought processes. As an example, the logic of the most basic arithmetic rules (addition, subtraction, multiplication and division) has been found and used separately in different parts of the world in the past when traffic and communication never developed, and the logic that the physical world is finite and always changes has never been denied and confirmed right in natural daily life.
Thus, mathematics, logic, and philosophy are more primitive than physics, and they are independent of the physical world - or have no relevance to physics - and have been able to study independently. Concept or right reason has been felt to exist before the physical world.
Plato felt mathematics as the domain of the Idea world and the God’s world. Mathematics deals with infinity, but physics rejects infinity. This is because the world of matter is fundamentally a finite world, and mathematics can handle any logical world away from the physical world.
For example, the theorem that the sum of two sides is greater than the other side in a triangle - corresponding to the pure concept of logic that the straight line distance is shorter than a certain curve distance - is right in the ideal world, but it is impossible to realize it perfectly in the actual world where refraction occurs even in light.
Repeating the process of bisecting each line of the oblique sides and attaching them to the base side on an equilateral triangle in an infinite number of turns, results in the final that the sum of the two oblique sides becomes equal to the base, and the above theorem becomes wrong. This means that it is not possible in the actual world to repeat the bisecting without any loss and infinitely.
The Pythagorean theorem that the square of the base of a right triangle plus the square of the height equals the square of the hypotenuse, and the mathematical formulas that determine the circumference or width of a circle are also ideal cases. In he actual world, we can not make perfectly right triangles or circles without error.
This is why some industrial products (eg, construction, machinery, electronics, etc.) used in the actual world can not be completely perfect, and - this is because the physical world is ceaselessly and interchangingly changing as a whole - have limited performances and life spans. And we may understand that the fact that the natural exponents and cosmological constants (eg, the ratio of the circumference of a circle to its diameter π, natural exponent e, light speed c, Planck constant h,
Difference between mathematics and physics in 0 and infinite handling:
Physics deals with the physical world. And mathematics deals with the logic world. Physics deals with a world in which material existence exists, and mathematics deals with a logical world that may not require any material existence.
Therefore, in physics, zero (0) and infinity are not handled. The physical world treats the change mainly on the assumption that there exist somewhat physically in finite space-time, and it does not handle the case that existence is infinity. In other words, physics deals mainly with the existence of certain physical beings in a finite world.
However, mathematics can treat zero (0) without physical existence, and also treat infinity. The world without a physical being is a primordial world, and the world of infinity means to contain all possible cases.
Thus, physics corresponds to special cases of mathematics and can be explained based on mathematics. In other words, the laws of physics appear as mathematical expressions in special cases in various cases in mathematics. This shows that the physical world is a realization of a part of the logical world.
(Extracted from OnCharm Lee’s book “Humans & Truth”)
thanks I was looking for a video online for people to interpret what they love about math :) I'm 14
If the universe is fundamentally mathematical then black holes are most likely the consequence of the universal equation fracticly expressing itself as the remainder of the equation, black holes may appear separate & in different locations in space time but fundamentally they might all be connected leading to the source of our dimension or maybe even to the source of creation itself. I do not think mere flesh & blood could ever penetrate through a black hole, I imagine the only way to pass through the event horizon unscathed would be to create an existential bubble detached from the universe itself, I do not think this would ever be possible in the near future but it's mind blowing to think about.
What are some good books on math of nature way science and Definition what anything is and its way of being.
Correction: The word is "maths", an abbreviation of "mathematics", which is clearly a plural word. Those who say and spell "math" are thought to have a speech impediment. Cheers, Bruce.
Mathematics isn't plural, though, it's an uncountable noun.
great mathematics conversation
sqrt((36*(x**2)-6*(y**2))/x*y)
koi stock market ka formula batao sir ji
Math is reality... you're always there... always in it whether you like it or not.
That intro was epic
So many examples given here are incomprehensible to me.
Nice but the session would have been more interesting if they had people from other disciplines like philosophers of maths historians of maths etc.
Math is the greatest achievement of the human mind. Math can break every logical and illogical boundary. With Math you can be like a God, playing with a universe that you haven't really created it and it haven't really created you. Its still a mystery, maybe the greatest one.
you must have not heard of the incompleteness theorem.
Javier Wagner Not actualy..! what is it?
That there are theorems that cannot be proven true within the rules of logic.
Javier Wagner Nice I have to find more on this.
Yeap, id encourage you to do so. it is awesome.
Mathematicians are delightfully sane and grounded. Other fields of science are corrupted with egotism. Mathematics leaves no room for it.
Well hosted and fascinating. Thank you.
Why is it illegal to ask questions?
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せぅヴぇstろいt a full stop or a comma wouldn't kill you my friend
I think There's just Something about Math that is much more easier to understand more than science bcuz Math is all about patterns and symmetry and it's a kind of Language that's what make it more easier to understand than any kind of languages.
It's Newman, when he's not delivering half of the mail at best: 3:11 and 14:24
The concept of infinity must be invented. When did it come into being among human civilization?
Interesting, I thought the host has trouble expressing, but I still enjoyed.
I have BS in MATH/ Compt
When I first started learning calculus I could do it, follow the process, but it didn't sink in what I was doing for about half a year.
I've never been able to soak in calculus. Guess it wasn't meant to be for me.
Lori Gil It's a great language because you can say so much with so little and very precisely.
Gord Davison I like researching medicine. Math at young age was great for me but, as I got older I just couldn't read it.
Gord Davison It took me 3 times to finally get calculus. The third time I had a teacher that explained it in a way that I understood. It's odd how some fields of mathematics I got right off the bat (linear algebra and statistics) and how some were a complete struggle that took a long time to sink in (trig and calculus).
+Todd Goul I like trig and calculus but stats piss me off.
Mediator definitely ruined the potential of a very interesting talk... Hopefully WSF will do another conversation on the subject only with actual depth of conversation this time (like the 'Exploring Hyperspace' video)
I have an interesting question on infinity: If I have an infinite number of peanuts and I eat just one, would I still have an infinite number of peanuts left?
Yes.
I am not sure. Consider this equation:
I - 1 = I
If I solve this equation, I end up with -1 = 0 which is false. So, maybe I -1 does not equal I.
Lino Ventura I am a mathematics phd student. Infinities are unbounded concepts. If you take any infinity and take away a bounded amount what is left is unbounded. Your algebra on the statement with I-1=I does not hold as infinities do not have the algebra you want them to have. Example 0*infty can be any value depending on what 0 and what infinity you have. Now this may blow your mind, there are infinities such that if you take away a particular infinity then you are left with a smaller infinity.
Imagine an elevator going up into infinity (infinite number of floors). You are on the ground floor. Now you somehow remove that ground floor. Just hack it away or cover it with dirt - whatever. How many floors does the elevator have left? Look up - it's still infinity, isn't it?
So the literal, short answer to your question is - yes.
And I'm just trying to demonstrate in simpler terms what another poster already told you.
(Although I must say he was a little bit sloppy in the part about taking one infinity from another but that's far beyond our today's lesson ;-) sorry).
Lino Ventura Yes.
Great conversation !
can any one tell who developed compounding formula ............. A=p(1+r/100)^N .............. eienstien called it eight wonder of the world ............... it changed my life ........ now I know if I compound my stock portfolio by 25% it will be 100 times in 20 years......... this formula is very important for stock market investors
Best intro clip ever!!
Version française pls !
Wouldn’t 1 + 1 in binary be 10?
It's really very simple...If you want to have a great group discussion about mathematics...CHOOSE A MODERATOR WHO'S A REAL MATHEMATICIAN! Brian Greene leads these great discussions on physics because he's a real physicist. Sean Carroll does great interviews with scientists because he's a scientist. But these geniuses let a guy moderate a mathematics roundtable whose first admission to the audience is that he knows next to NOTHING about mathematics. I'm up here smfh...
is/there/is mathematics be mother tongue language, where every communication is in maths.
some of my maths talk:
13.82 , 3.55 , 299792458, 67
Mr. Anchor, please do not interrupt the guests.
If you listen very closely at 0:28, the guy riding the exercise bike makes the gasping sound effect from Goldeneye 007 when you get shot.
I think I might be autistic
frustrating host questions could have been a lot better not just ask dumb questions that are not really interesting to answer but also interrupts others
beautiful Doc
Math is a Languages of patterns, numbers and symmetry.
Another take on fractions. Has anybody here tried out to calculate that a/b+c/d = (a+c)/(b+d) and what follows from that?
yeah he looks like he's an expert on pie
John Dow this is the funniest comment here
Pi
@planet42 lol. I didnt pay attention to anyones weight. Touche
Host seems to be completely at sea?
I study pi also, my favorite is cherry!
Plz, add cc this vid
thank kiu, thank very much 🙁
Good material, and some insightful comments!
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