STAY ❌ or GO ✔️? Picking a FINAL England WC Squad | Saturday Social ft Thogden & Nicole Holliday

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    Smithy and Joe are joined by Thogden & Nicole Holliday this week on Saturday Social. With the final international break before the World Cup underway, we asked our guests to predict the final England squad for Qatar 2022.
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  • @adamthomas8077
    @adamthomas8077 ปีที่แล้ว +2019

    Thogden: Can't take Phillips because he's not playing. *Adds maguire to the board*

    • @richardellis4262
      @richardellis4262 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      who are we taking over maguire then? many players to take over phillips

    • @joshdias4966
      @joshdias4966 ปีที่แล้ว +109

      @@richardellis4262 Dier for form or coady for leadership 😂 both are an improvement on Maguire

    • @raypeet5777
      @raypeet5777 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@richardellis4262 Warwick Davis over MC Dire👌I would have put Lisandro Martinez, but unfortunately he's Argentinian.

    • @siyabongatshabalala8431
      @siyabongatshabalala8431 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      @@richardellis4262 white, Guehi, Tamori, Kilman

    • @dscho5626
      @dscho5626 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂 so dumb

  • @rmrm9191
    @rmrm9191 ปีที่แล้ว +694

    The tantrum Thogden was about to have if he didn't get his way 😂😂

    • @heroicDale
      @heroicDale ปีที่แล้ว

      Proper spoilt bastard

    • @jc3342
      @jc3342 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      I know 🤣 can't stand him. Sounds like a spoilt brat

  • @georgecobbold2234
    @georgecobbold2234 ปีที่แล้ว +584

    Would of been an interesting watch, if Thogden actually let Nicole get a word in

    • @josephbailey501
      @josephbailey501 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      She didn't shut up

    • @Sunsets-nr6lv
      @Sunsets-nr6lv ปีที่แล้ว +6

      She spoke way too much

    • @dylanhunt6764
      @dylanhunt6764 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      After she questioned about walker going I didn’t wanna hear anymore

    • @integrito3323
      @integrito3323 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What! She said plenty, let me tell you!

  • @idt369
    @idt369 ปีที่แล้ว +484

    I’m sure this is just a one off but Thogden made that a proper hard watch.

    • @jeffjeff3872
      @jeffjeff3872 ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Nah he makes everything hard to watch

    • @jordanphillips8959
      @jordanphillips8959 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Definitely not a one off

    • @archie0955
      @archie0955 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      mate not a one off imo no disrespect to him but dislike his content and his personality

    • @eleaevan6416
      @eleaevan6416 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know why but I can't stand his videos...he's like a spoilt brat

  • @PharmacyAve
    @PharmacyAve ปีที่แล้ว +1279

    Thogden really chooses players by Popularity. Reminds of an excited child

    • @mrwabbit9576
      @mrwabbit9576 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      Nah, come on. He was the only one singing the praises of Reed and Toney. They other lot visibly cringed at the thought of having players who aren't at big clubs. Quite pathetic really.
      Reed at the moment is the best performing English CDM and Toney is levels above Abraham at the moment, performing better in a weaker team and showing a far more complete skillset.

    • @xcf5587
      @xcf5587 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Maguire is literally the ‘least popular player’ out there…

    • @Anonymous-xr8hx
      @Anonymous-xr8hx ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@mrwabbit9576 Toney isn't levels above Abraham. They bring different things and you could argue either way. It's not as cut and dry as you're making it seem.

    • @rosscleary9110
      @rosscleary9110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What a load of rubbish. Sancho, Maddison are popular. Maguire definitely isn't.

    • @ChazTB
      @ChazTB ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Anonymous-xr8hx they both should go and dont take maddison, i just can't see how maddison will play when mount and ward-prowse are ahead of him and only one of them will play at a time.

  • @Cyrus-rodn45
    @Cyrus-rodn45 ปีที่แล้ว +877

    Nicolle makes more sense than the dude who is creating the team

    • @GIBBO4182
      @GIBBO4182 ปีที่แล้ว +49

      She is the best female pundit/guest I’ve ever seen!

    • @benjamincorbett
      @benjamincorbett ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@GIBBO4182 that’s an insult to women pundits, she knows absolutely nothing, there are much better women

    • @GIBBO4182
      @GIBBO4182 ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@benjamincorbett sorry for having an opinion different to you…

    • @cherzo71
      @cherzo71 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      @@benjamincorbett she still knows more than Thogden

    • @benjamincorbett
      @benjamincorbett ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cherzo71 true

  • @philtaylor5592
    @philtaylor5592 ปีที่แล้ว +266

    Thogden said do you think Brazil will be concerned when they see Dier starting CB.. then proceeds to put Maguire in and asked for a Harrison Reed pic 😂

    • @mrArod376
      @mrArod376 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      brazil would be giddy if they see maguire in the lineup

    • @Yeah.316
      @Yeah.316 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Brazil after seeing Maguire in the starting lineup: Giggity Giggity Giggityyy

    • @sokola_id
      @sokola_id ปีที่แล้ว

      Brazil will be more concerned to southgate and say thank you

  • @justthetwoofus.
    @justthetwoofus. ปีที่แล้ว +135

    When Thogden said people are concerned about Maguire’s “recent” performances I audibly laughed. People been concerned about Maguire’s recent seasons.

  • @gluestix17
    @gluestix17 ปีที่แล้ว +772

    I had so much respect for thogden until he said maguire should start for england, when he hasnt even won a game for Utd this season
    Nicole is spot on with how much hypocracy there is in his squad selection

    • @kevinconway2965
      @kevinconway2965 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Really? SO MUCH RESPECT for him? Why exactly? Just because he has a youtube channel? He's just a lad who watches football, just like you and I. Why is his opinion respected anymore than other football fans?

    • @gluestix17
      @gluestix17 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@kevinconway2965 no because he put trippier as his backup LB lol it's not that deep

    • @Armed-Forever
      @Armed-Forever ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kevinconway2965 true, ppl forget that, most of these ppl on tv are just as dumb as the ppl at the job centre, only diff is they got a lucky break

    • @allensilson648
      @allensilson648 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Indeed, Shaw is in the same situation as Maguire but he got dropped

    • @gluestix17
      @gluestix17 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@allensilson648 shaw is arguably in a better situation than maguire, he isnt acting delusional in the press and he hasnt been as terrible when he's played

  • @jallan1027
    @jallan1027 ปีที่แล้ว +330

    Thogden saying “5 games started this season” for Stones when there’s only been 7 played is so embarrassing

    • @Sam-rf6ev
      @Sam-rf6ev ปีที่แล้ว +20

      He’s missed every England game in the last day!

    • @r4h4al
      @r4h4al ปีที่แล้ว +40

      Acting like it's 5/38 when it's 5/7.

    • @TezKingboom
      @TezKingboom ปีที่แล้ว

      Thats 3 games too many? After all he added maguire 🤣 0% win rate is it not so far in games he started?

  • @paulpritchett
    @paulpritchett ปีที่แล้ว +112

    Thogden is Southgate's secret lovechild

    • @UstashaMe84
      @UstashaMe84 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think Thogden is on the FA’s payroll.

  • @thefutbolapex6307
    @thefutbolapex6307 ปีที่แล้ว +67

    Tammy scored 27 goals last year; leaving him out is wild

    • @asteri8638
      @asteri8638 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Serie A

    • @thefutbolapex6307
      @thefutbolapex6307 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@asteri8638 Serie A is a great league

    • @andyh323
      @andyh323 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mmm but he's only scored like 2 goals this season?

  • @DoFi12
    @DoFi12 ปีที่แล้ว +1556

    Any chance of Thogden of letting Nicole speak?

    • @caihuws9382
      @caihuws9382 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      He’s so serious all the time as well😂

    • @PharmacyAve
      @PharmacyAve ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Like father like Son

    • @ThMindFdr
      @ThMindFdr ปีที่แล้ว +45

      @@caihuws9382 Because hes crippled with anxiety compared to the other three..You can see it hes on the edge non stop and forcing while others are not!

    • @mrwabbit9576
      @mrwabbit9576 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      She has no good takes.

    • @bence7432
      @bence7432 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Nah she spoke too much imo

  • @erik7066
    @erik7066 ปีที่แล้ว +259

    They forgot the most important to stay at home: SOUTHGATE

    • @r4h4al
      @r4h4al ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd like to see Poch. I think that would suit out team to a tee.

    • @joshkooga7204
      @joshkooga7204 ปีที่แล้ว

      😎

    • @ashrit1993
      @ashrit1993 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂

    • @anujvarshney3486
      @anujvarshney3486 ปีที่แล้ว

      💯

    • @integrito3323
      @integrito3323 ปีที่แล้ว

      The whole squad can stay at home! They are winning NOTHING!

  • @Bulskee
    @Bulskee ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Thogdan when he sees Southgate….
    “Did I do good Daddy?” 😃

  • @namansirohia
    @namansirohia ปีที่แล้ว +220

    We need more Nicole !!!!!
    tell her to take the lead !!!!

    • @mister_M.
      @mister_M. ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Get the host OFF ANS REPLACE HIM WITH HER. PLEASE

  • @jonlamb6980
    @jonlamb6980 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    That boy just loves the sound of his own voice

  • @Uzityessir
    @Uzityessir ปีที่แล้ว +165

    This has to be thogdens last time on Saturday Social. It’s not one of your own videos now mate, your opinion matters the least out of everyone in that room so let the others speak first - hard watch this morning Sky 😓

    • @ibraheemmonks8866
      @ibraheemmonks8866 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      He's like a spoilt child talking over everyone and ignoring good criticism about how hypocritical the selection is.

  • @jacklane3679
    @jacklane3679 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    Eric Dier is a natural born leader, in the form of his life and clearly miles ahead of Harry Maguire in every conceivable way. Much better passing range, playing every week, dominant in the air, scoring goals.
    Maguires World Cup performances over 4 years ago are irrelevant.

    • @dmitrikemp2341
      @dmitrikemp2341 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Lewis dunk is better than Eric dier he is in the best defence so far in the Premier League Lewis dunk has been the best English centre-back this season

    • @jacklane3679
      @jacklane3679 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@dmitrikemp2341 that might be true to be fair, I haven't watched a lot of Brighton to be honest, but see Dier every week. Both certainly have more right to a call up than Maguire on current form. Eric Dier at least also has the experience of playing and scoring at tournaments as well.

    • @dmitrikemp2341
      @dmitrikemp2341 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jacklane3679 yes I agree with that but if you where the England manager would you not look at the best defence in the league and then see who you can call up if you want to make a great difference 🤔

    • @jacklane3679
      @jacklane3679 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dmitrikemp2341 I've already said you might be right mate, you honestly don't have to convince me of anyone potentially being better than Dier. I know his flaws all too well and I'm sure Dunk has better qualities to his game 🤣
      A topic of conversation in the video was Eric Dier or Maguire, which is why I made the original comment. I'm more than open to picking the best player first and foremost, so if that's Dunk I'll think about it. It's difficult for me to have a discussion about whether or not Dunk is better than Dier with the sample sizes I have watching them both, however it is a fact that England know Dier is someone that isn't too phased by being called up and Dunk only got picked years back and played one friendly.
      My point was kind of based on the idea that I can't blame anyone for not taking a risk on Dunk for the World Cup and Dier is clearly the closest to Maguire in terms of experience.

    • @MrLewbaah
      @MrLewbaah ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both dier and Maguire should be nowhere near the squad 😂😂 Jesus Christ

  • @Milnos106
    @Milnos106 ปีที่แล้ว +142

    Stones and Tomori starting, White backup and Dier if we want to play 5atb. Guehi unlucky to miss out be Nicole gave valid reasons, Thogden's reasons were 'He was good before'. By that same logic, lets include Rio and Terry in the squad

    • @TheLeechaolan15
      @TheLeechaolan15 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Foden Kane
      Gallagher
      C.Taylor Tomori JWP Walker
      Burn Dunk Maguire
      Pope
      Henderson, Ramsdale, Dawson, Dier, Tarkowski, R.James, Trippier, Targett, Westwood, Shelvey, Bellingham, Grealish, Sterling, Toney, Antonio

    • @SuperXcaliber
      @SuperXcaliber ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@TheLeechaolan15 well it’s a good thing your not manager then 😂

    • @dmitrikemp2341
      @dmitrikemp2341 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What about Lewis dunk playing in the best defence in the Premier League so far this season doesn't even get a look in the England squad he is so much better then white and Eric dier Ben white isn't even playing centre-back this season🤔

    • @TheLeechaolan15
      @TheLeechaolan15 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@dmitrikemp2341 exactly. Brighton had the best defense last season also, and before that Dunk carried Brighton all the way from League Two. Dunk is one of the best CB in the world for years with Rüdiger and Matip. And England's best CB obviously.

    • @robbiearrowsmith6006
      @robbiearrowsmith6006 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@TheLeechaolan15 my brother in christ it's the world cup not league one 🤣

  • @ronkoko3969
    @ronkoko3969 ปีที่แล้ว +193

    I saw him hold Maguire saying he was so vital in Russia WC and he scores goals. This is the reason England have a trouble winning anything major titles. Always picking players on reputation rather than current form. so sad.

    • @markgallagher2045
      @markgallagher2045 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, he was vital when he had more form back then. Now his confidence is shot.
      England are now adding players like Toney and potentially Abraham to the mix. Players who can get their head on the ball and are natural finishers. They don't need a slow liabilitybat the back.
      Coady amd Dier are capable of stepping up with headers aswell.

    • @ronkoko3969
      @ronkoko3969 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@markgallagher2045 calling up players and starting them aren't the same. Mcguire can't even get a game for utd but he starts for England . Shocking.

  • @chibifirestorm
    @chibifirestorm ปีที่แล้ว +549

    it doesn't even matter who is in the squad, Southgate could make a front 3 of Mbappe, Prime Messi and Ronaldinho look bland. There's no system, tactics or anything. I have literally zero optimism for the World Cup, none.

    • @HarryKanee
      @HarryKanee ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Bare in mind his first 2 tournaments are a world cup semi final and Euros final say what you want he's our best manager since 66

    • @chibifirestorm
      @chibifirestorm ปีที่แล้ว +48

      @@HarryKanee Raymond Domenech made the WC Final with France and he's regarded as one of their worst managers of all time.

    • @HarryKanee
      @HarryKanee ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@chibifirestorm this is England not France

    • @chibifirestorm
      @chibifirestorm ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@HarryKanee it's ironic that' your username is Harry Kane because like him England will win nothing

    • @Flygono03
      @Flygono03 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Southgates only managerial experience outside of England was getting Boro relegated 🤣

  • @upunderhunting3872
    @upunderhunting3872 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thogden talks about Brazil not being worried when seeing Dier and then goes ahead and puts Maguire on the board 😂

  • @callumgardiner16
    @callumgardiner16 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Thogdens ball knowledge and football opinions absolutely baffle me 😂😂

    • @looocooo1470
      @looocooo1470 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thogden is a joke. I'm not even British, but his knowledge is a complete joke. I honestly dont like him at all. Adds Maguire that is ridiculous. Dier or Coady are better options. Leaving Abraham is criminal. Serie A is one of my favorite leagues and he definitely one of the best.

    • @mattvanemden7573
      @mattvanemden7573 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@looocooo1470 Serie A is a poor league. Very weak other than Napoli, AC Milan, Inter, and Juventus. The rest are horrendous. Tammy Abraham not good enough compared to the other strikers mentioned such as Toney, Wilson, Watkins, and others. Abraham had to leave the best league in the world at a top club to get game time in a weaker league and weaker team.

    • @looocooo1470
      @looocooo1470 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mattvanemden7573 🤡

  • @jasonmillsom2981
    @jasonmillsom2981 ปีที่แล้ว +172

    To give Jack Grealish credit, he was never 100 Million, maybe 40 or 50 Million Aston Villa was just over pricing him bc they wanted to keep him

    • @ash_ish1447
      @ash_ish1447 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Yeh ppl seem to forget that he had a release clause 🤦‍♂️

    • @brianboru8858
      @brianboru8858 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      They didn’t over price him, they set a high release clause thinking it wouldn’t be triggered and then it was

    • @bluesEvanskro
      @bluesEvanskro ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yeah I’d still take grealish defo, he looked okay when he came on last night

    • @r4h4al
      @r4h4al ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Plus with how rich City are, why does it matter if they overpay for him?

    • @Bulskee
      @Bulskee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He had the second most goal involvements in the PL in his final Villa season. Only KDB did better. Players with those stats don’t go for 40m!!! 🤦‍♂️

  • @guywakeford3259
    @guywakeford3259 ปีที่แล้ว +63

    As a Brighton fan I'd love to see Graham Potter get the England job 🤣😆

    • @gutiadim8028
      @gutiadim8028 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Chelsea is not part time job mate

    • @theemperor6413
      @theemperor6413 ปีที่แล้ว

      I am a Newcastle supporter and I agree, I believe that Potter at Chelsea is perfect because it’s a test, if he does well then we have a perfect replacement

    • @russian5470
      @russian5470 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@gutiadim8028 seems as tho it is. Managers come and go

    • @marcothorsen950
      @marcothorsen950 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'd love to see Steve Bruce as England Head coach. 🤣🤣

  • @chess_things
    @chess_things ปีที่แล้ว +31

    Dier for Maguire, Sancho for Grealish

    • @yamcha111
      @yamcha111 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      sancho for rashford and tammy for philips

    • @chess_things
      @chess_things ปีที่แล้ว

      @@yamcha111 I agree

  • @stevennicholson5707
    @stevennicholson5707 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    I thought SouthGate was clueless but the fact the guy picked almost the same team tells you that more English fans are naive like him 😂😂😂

    • @emoslayer9025
      @emoslayer9025 ปีที่แล้ว

      We don’t claim them

    • @UstashaMe84
      @UstashaMe84 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@emoslayer9025 We don’t but he has a point. Us English fans are some of the most naive, never think outside of the box.

  • @chillpanda9960
    @chillpanda9960 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    For conor coady's argument with putting him on the plane, just hey him as an assistant in the euros and not in the squad in this case !!

    • @liamefc97
      @liamefc97 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Coadys been rock solid at Everton along side tarkowski

    • @chillpanda9960
      @chillpanda9960 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@liamefc97 for me its just a case of a lot of ppl being here

    • @reezellthia
      @reezellthia ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Exactly just have him as part of the staff

  • @jenniferdelgado1535
    @jenniferdelgado1535 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Bad news... after last night... Southgate will be bringing another 3 more defenders to Qatar, so that'll be 15 defenders in the squad

  • @footballmattersfc4690
    @footballmattersfc4690 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    People won't agree but I would start Trippier at RB he's been brilliant this season & his free kicks are unbelievable 👌

    • @whiteblack4562
      @whiteblack4562 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      personally i believe trippier can do everything. hes more well rounded compared to someone like trent who is creative offensively but lacks defensively. trippier can play in any system really

    • @kojob7787
      @kojob7787 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He can play LB so i will use him there

    • @EmmaUwU69
      @EmmaUwU69 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why not play him LB tho when James/Trent/Walker are better rightbacks

    • @dagotowka9191
      @dagotowka9191 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EmmaUwU69 because just because they can play there means they should.. hes obviously going to be worse and aying on his wrong foot

  • @rishabh3150
    @rishabh3150 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The squad should have be:
    GK: Pickford, Ramsdale, Pope
    RB/RWB: TAA, James
    LB/LWB: Shaw, Chillwell, Trippier
    CB: Tomori, Stones, Walker, Dier, White
    CM/DM: Rice, Bellingham, Phillips (if fit, otherwise Henderson), Ward-Prowse
    CAM: Mount, Maddison
    Wingers: Foden, Saka, Sterling, Grealish
    Strikers: Kane, Abraham
    26th slot is debatable between Sancho, Rashford and Toney based on who is best in form before the world cup..
    I haven't seen a more hypocritical team selection.. the guy ignores Shaw but picks Maguire.. Abraham has been one of the best stikers last season but doesn't get picked... Shaw is arguably the best LB we have right now.. Chilwell lacks defensively and is too injury prone.. Henderson is decent but others are better unfortunately...

  • @tomic7493
    @tomic7493 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    NIcole can't even complete most of her sentences because Thogden is just 🗣🗣

  • @cvmgaming568
    @cvmgaming568 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I think abraham is more likely to score in 90 mins than toney but toney is just so much more of a handful for defenders and its a nightmare when you see him coming onto the pitch

  • @abongile464
    @abongile464 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Thogden guy is a most confident clueless person

  • @ankshu3482
    @ankshu3482 ปีที่แล้ว +85

    Tammy Deserves to selected
    And I will choose Sancho over Mount

    • @wee6331
      @wee6331 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Agreed

    • @rizinhokasa
      @rizinhokasa ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shouldn’t even be a choice

    • @jaggydproductions
      @jaggydproductions ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Should've switched out Maddison for Abraham

    • @yeahyeah9869
      @yeahyeah9869 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nah mount has been consistent and would take him over sancho unless sancho shows his Dortmund stats and game play

    • @ankshu3482
      @ankshu3482 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@yeahyeah9869 right now Sancho is doing better than mount that's why I'm picking him over Mount

  • @abelshiferaw8567
    @abelshiferaw8567 ปีที่แล้ว +73

    Jaden sancho not being there is criminal

    • @blackpilltv4388
      @blackpilltv4388 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      saka over him all day, saka has been better in the league and for england.

    • @fabriciocostaa
      @fabriciocostaa ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@blackpilltv4388 Sancho over mount not Saka

    • @tipufitzherbert1088
      @tipufitzherbert1088 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@blackpilltv4388 saka is better but it doesn't mean sancho can't be called up as well, mount doesn't deserve the call up for me or we could do with not having so many defenders

    • @jacob4690
      @jacob4690 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For scoring 2 goals 😂😂

    • @AryanKumar-wo3if
      @AryanKumar-wo3if ปีที่แล้ว

      Saka and mount better

  • @joshbehan8245
    @joshbehan8245 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thogden's had a shocker there icl

  • @willdemaray774
    @willdemaray774 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'm bummed about the idea of Sancho not getting to go. I think he's about to have his best season this year and could help England a lot.

  • @win-nufc
    @win-nufc ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’ve been waiting all morning for this

  • @Brickhazard
    @Brickhazard ปีที่แล้ว +47

    This kid is almost as bad a Gareth Southgate. Leaving Tammy and Sancho at home but takes Chillwell instead of Shaw and Slabhead who can't even get a game for his club.

    • @taylorjames14
      @taylorjames14 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They do these things for reactions. Can't just pick all the right players 😂

    • @josephharrison7914
      @josephharrison7914 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Thogden has minus IQ I think that's why hes like this

    • @Wow-hr1gl
      @Wow-hr1gl ปีที่แล้ว +1

      sancho is no way near and Tammy aint even that great

    • @Hi5GhostMUFC
      @Hi5GhostMUFC ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Wow-hr1gl ur ball knowledge is appalling. Sancho and Tammy are great additions to the England squad and anyone would rather players like them over the likes of Grealish and Slabhead.

    • @Wow-hr1gl
      @Wow-hr1gl ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Hi5GhostMUFC have you actually watched Roma, Abraham has been good toney has been better especially in build up and in a much worse team. sancho has a good moment then goes invisible for a few games, grealish has been great for England off the bench, and slabhead is overhated, for England he is class and can chip in with goals.

  • @jackryan3800
    @jackryan3800 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would have liked to see a tier between the two. One for if the nailed on players are injured, who would be primed to step up into the team

  • @elliotmasters9342
    @elliotmasters9342 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thongden playing fifa with this, downplaying dier, was our best defender against Italy, playing well for his club, has a lot of England experience why on earth would we not take him over maguire rn?

  • @archiewall124
    @archiewall124 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Only person in discussion in relation to ‘stay or go’ is Southgate, and by the way, the answer is go.

  • @Gron_SA
    @Gron_SA ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The fact that Thogden only thought about a reason to leave Sancho out only after he had already made the decision says it all.

  • @dribblesbarbax7570
    @dribblesbarbax7570 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    His point about bringing Rashford because he was there involved and helping Man Utd turn things around is hilarious when you think about
    Maguire. They dropped him to the bench and things turned around. Yet he brings him.

  • @giovanniebrady966
    @giovanniebrady966 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This girl totally destroyed Thogden with that Luke Shaw bit 😂😭

  • @2723cadd
    @2723cadd ปีที่แล้ว +30

    If they offered me Maguire to play as a 12th man against 11 I’d still say no.

    • @rhj107
      @rhj107 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👌🤣🤣

  • @stuartswanton1676
    @stuartswanton1676 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Joe: "You've got to come to some sort of agreement."
    Thogden: "I'll put my team up then we'll decide"
    Shows how Southgate isn't creative with England if Thogden is arguing Maguire goes because he gets goals.

  • @sadifrahman9288
    @sadifrahman9288 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thogden was really adamant about his selections

  • @clarkmackintosh891
    @clarkmackintosh891 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The fact that Maguire going and actually playing is even a conversation shows you that England are bound for another disappointment.

  • @305Solo
    @305Solo ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can Southgate be left at home? If that happens then the squad itself would be able to play some sort of football that isn’t based on ignoring the ball more often than not and an abundance of defenders in the squad

  • @young_raymond47
    @young_raymond47 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Thogden didn't even have a real reason for Sancho's omission. He's so invested in being pro Southgate that he's even making the same unjustifiable decisions. Why would you take 4 right backs, and then leave out Sancho?
    You can also argue that Dean Henderson should go because he is a penalty specialist. It's highly unlikely that you'll need more than one keeper throughout a tournament, so you might as well use one of the spots for a penalty specialist; he's also about as good as the others overall anyways. Not too fussed about the keeper though, for me all 4 are about the same level.
    To rectify the egregious decisions, take out Trent and Maguire. Replace them with Dier and Sancho.

    • @jc3342
      @jc3342 ปีที่แล้ว

      Because he's an idiot

    • @kingdaymon6433
      @kingdaymon6433 ปีที่แล้ว

      Alexander Arnold as a fullback is more productive offensively than Sancho has been for the past year. I agree Sancho deserves a chance to go but not if it’s between him and AA.

  • @chuck-1423
    @chuck-1423 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Formation for England must be 4-3-3 and our starting 11 must be:
    GK: Pickford
    RB: Walker
    RCB: Stones
    LCB: Tomori
    LB: Chilwell
    CDM: Rice
    CM: Bellingham
    CM: Ward-Prowse
    LW: Grealish
    RW: Foden
    ST: Kane

  • @liamanderson6191
    @liamanderson6191 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Coady is more than just a leader I realised this watching him this season for us

  • @CIC77
    @CIC77 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Where is Southgate picture?? Lol
    Definitely got to stay at home!

  • @Callmedelulu_
    @Callmedelulu_ ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Man it was hard watching this video because thogen💔

  • @tommywalsh8286
    @tommywalsh8286 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wilson is a great option if he's fit. Poor lad could have been a top player without his persistent injuries

  • @pawn9261
    @pawn9261 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the first time I agree with all the picks. Well done.

  • @dessiparis3553
    @dessiparis3553 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sterling. Kane. Saka
    Grealish. Tommy. Sancho
    Rashford.
    Foden
    Mount
    Bellingham. Henderson
    Rice. Phillips
    Chillwell. Maguire. Stones. James
    Tripper. Tomori. White. Tren
    Shaw Walker
    Ramsdale
    Pickford
    Pope

    • @justthetwoofus.
      @justthetwoofus. ปีที่แล้ว

      Imo Dier over Maguire by a lot and send Maguire on the next flight to Antarctica. Maybe Shaw too and bring another mid or forward but otherwise the rest is fine

  • @MuhammadAli44444
    @MuhammadAli44444 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You can't say this is Nicole's squad. She didn't get a say.

  • @tipufitzherbert1088
    @tipufitzherbert1088 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    mitchell deserves a call up. all that is missing from his game is his ability to perform under pressure, but I think if southgate can coach anything in a player it's exactly that

  • @jackrobinson780
    @jackrobinson780 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maddison so underrated man had better season than all midfielders in a really bad Leicester team

  • @human_error1
    @human_error1 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    This should be of been called The Thogden Takeover. Let Nicole have a choice in this. come on! 🙄

  • @jabriljamal
    @jabriljamal ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My 26 Man England squad:
    Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale
    Walker, James, TAA, Chilwell, Shaw, Trippier, Maguire, Stones, Dier, Tomori
    Rice, Bellingham, Grealish, Mount, Foden, JWP, Henderson
    Kane, Abraham, Wilson, Sterling, Sancho, Saka

    • @jamesh1597531
      @jamesh1597531 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Completely agree. Thats the same team I will pick for worldcup.

    • @Iron-Bridge
      @Iron-Bridge ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gk :
      Pickford, Ramsdale , Pope
      Def :
      James, Walker, TAA, White, Trippier, Stones, Tomori, Chilwell, Dier
      MId :
      Rice, Bellingham, Mount, JWP, Maddison, Foden, Sancho, Henderson
      Att:
      Kane, Abraham, Sterling, Saka, Toney, Grealish.
      My more realistic selection.

    • @richardweiss3931
      @richardweiss3931 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Iron-Bridge makes more sense to me

  • @c.d714
    @c.d714 ปีที่แล้ว

    You bring players in who are in the best form, only exception to that are for exceptional players.

  • @Kaigu_b.f.2508
    @Kaigu_b.f.2508 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Do you think Dier will be feared by the other team in such a big stage?"
    Comming from the guy that picks maguire 😂😂

  • @L45456
    @L45456 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Saturday Social ft Just Thogden

    • @kevinconway2965
      @kevinconway2965 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Edit: Thogden ft Saturday Social

  • @DS-ty2nb
    @DS-ty2nb ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Thogden shouldn't feel bad for henderson as he hasn't played well except for his penalty saves but his reactions after are completely unneeded and childish as his team was losing and get he was celebrating like he'd won the world cup. Also henderson didn't play last season so tough luck and imo he hasn't even been that good for me he has let in a few goals that shouldn't have happened

  • @sinethembatyuluba1416
    @sinethembatyuluba1416 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do you have to pick three goalkeepers in these internationals

  • @Jack-dg9sd
    @Jack-dg9sd ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Not bringing Dier is insane, he’s not just had a good start to the season he’s been class since Conte came in.

    • @ColinZeal01
      @ColinZeal01 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too late mate thogden has made up his mind already!

  • @makumbakatete2163
    @makumbakatete2163 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Even in the former colonies we mourn Southgates choices 🥲

  • @spongebabe27
    @spongebabe27 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If I'm honest I'd want Tammy on in the 87th minute for a late winner over Toney. Would probably take Toney as a starter over Tammy (neither over Kane obviously)

  • @matheogarrett4384
    @matheogarrett4384 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Harrison Reed great shout. Underrated

  • @tianco.moneyhouse
    @tianco.moneyhouse ปีที่แล้ว +8

    *Walker and Reece James both miles ahead of Trent defensively
    *Both play on the right side and proceed to ball watch and concede and lose the game, which no one will talk about
    Not to slander anyone, but Trent is the probably the best footballer in the English squad technically, he isn't as bad as people make him out to be defensive and going forward his on his on level. Stop listening to what the internet tells you, Trent would win so many games for England, just as his done for Liverpool.

    • @taylorjames14
      @taylorjames14 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They're extremely protected. Look at the goal yesterday they're at fault but everybody blamed maguire even though he was on the opposite side 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @B_razzer
      @B_razzer ปีที่แล้ว

      I don’t know how it’s even a question about whether or not he makes the squad.

    • @Damon-xr6zf
      @Damon-xr6zf ปีที่แล้ว

      Trent plays in a back 4 for Liverpool and would be in a back 5 for England which would possibly have walker as the RH of the 3 centre backs. Therefore he wouldn't need to be too focused on defending.

    • @lucask841
      @lucask841 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      He is definitely as bad as people think defensively. He’s proved that consistently. But if we’re playing back 3 then he should def start at RWB with James as a backup, and I’m a Chelsea fan

    • @Ibrahim-nf6yh
      @Ibrahim-nf6yh ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lucask841 He just needs cover ffs Last night I bet my life that if he started instead of RJ then The result would’ve been different bcz Both Walker and Bellingham could’ve given him the cover he needs when he goes forward

  • @danielfaboyede8319
    @danielfaboyede8319 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    It feels so nice as a man UTD fan to hear because Maguire isn't playing for his club when we've been crying out for it since

    • @hq..
      @hq.. ปีที่แล้ว

      😅 Sancho playing well and being left at home whilst maguire on the bench and on the plane lol.. Well its not my country, Goodluck England.

    • @Anonymous-xr8hx
      @Anonymous-xr8hx ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hq.. those two things aren't linked. You can say Dier playing well and being left at home whilst Maguire on the bench and on the plane is hypocritical because they both play in the same position. But the fact that Maguire should be left at home is completely irrelevant to whether Sancho should go. You can make arguments for Sancho going like Sancho va Grealish or Sancho vs Rashford or an extra winger instead of a midfielder like Kalvin Phillips. But you can't compare a winger to a CB to justify taking the winger. Hypothetically we may have had to take an out of form CB Maguire but leave an inform winger like Sancho at home simply because we had an abundance of good wingers and fewer options at CB.

    • @dunkno69
      @dunkno69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hq.. sancho had good 4 games, hes been anonymous for over a year

    • @hq..
      @hq.. ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dunkno69 bro selection is by form

    • @dunkno69
      @dunkno69 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hq.. imo he should go, but he's way too inconsistent to even be considered a starter. sterling and saka start easily

  • @mikeunsworth775
    @mikeunsworth775 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a man utd fan my changes would be dier in for maguire and sancho in for rashford. Tho i'd take out one of the defenders for an attacker probably. Wouldn't be taking rashford he's had like 4 decent games in a year and half and was downing tools 5 months ago.

  • @jameshanley9418
    @jameshanley9418 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thogden going "ill go over to the assistant in a second" at 4:15 really tells you all you need to know about whos england squad this is..

  • @coolestseun8521
    @coolestseun8521 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    SAKA is the best player in England squad without him England team just looks like Zombies running after balls, is the only player that’s confident enough and take players on and create havoc in the defense of the opposite team!

    • @ChalkyNathan
      @ChalkyNathan ปีที่แล้ว

      We just going to forget about Harry Kane?

    • @mattvanemden7573
      @mattvanemden7573 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hes massively overrated and gets overhyped just because he is young and people said mean things to him online lol. Bellingham and Foden are the best players in the England squad and Saka is so far behind them its scary.

  • @deanmalone1568
    @deanmalone1568 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    loved the part he was so proud of the hes only started 5 and they said yeah out of 7 aha thogden is a google search stat merchant and doesnt actually understand what hes saying

  • @hamzathebeastgaming3339
    @hamzathebeastgaming3339 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would probably make alot of changes
    For example I would put (1) Kyle Walker Peters over chilwell going on current form (2) Eric Dier over Harry Maguire (3) Conor Coady over Ben White I mean Coady is just a leader in the dressing room and this team full of youngsters so they do need some experienced players to help them out

  • @jordanharris5013
    @jordanharris5013 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My thing is we are struggling to score goals. Players like Grealish are super creative but not a goal threat. I think we need more scoring threats on the pitch even if they hurt us in other areas. Kane last night was super selfish. There were a few scoring opportunities and he just shot. Like later in the game we had 4 players in the 6 yard box being covered by 1 defender and kane shot from a terrible angle. That was just poor from me because he's usually so unselfish.

  • @sandeshrai1936
    @sandeshrai1936 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    out: Maguire Phillips
    in: Dier Abraham

  • @joepublicnpc8998
    @joepublicnpc8998 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Can't take that 🤡 seriously disrespecting Dier but taking Maguire 🤦‍♂️

  • @Al-oy3pk
    @Al-oy3pk ปีที่แล้ว

    I get why he used Saka in LWB in that game in some ways. Hard to choose the winger and he has experience playing there from before so would have been good to get him in aswell. From the Germany game its clear he needs to be a winger and is completely wasted as wingback

  • @Anonymous-xr8hx
    @Anonymous-xr8hx ปีที่แล้ว

    GK: Pickford, Pope, Ramsdale
    RB: Walker, James, Trent
    CB: Stones, Tomori, Dier, Maguire
    LB: Chilwell, Trippier, Shaw
    CM: Rice, Bellingham, Henderson, Ward Prowse, Mount
    LW: Sterling, Grealish, Rashford
    ST: Kane, Tammy, Toney
    RW: Foden, Saka
    Only reason I'd take Maguire over White is because you have to think about the logistics of how England play. We play with a back 3 and have multiple players comfortable at RCB (Walker, Stones) and CCB (Dier, Stones) but only 1 really at LCB (Tomori). And even he hasn't played there a lot. From our 4th CB we don't need another RCB/CCB so there isn't really room for a White, Coady, Dunk etc unless you took 5 CBs which is pointless. The choice for 4th CB is really between Maguire and Kilman. I'd have loved for Kilman to go to the world cup but he hasn't been integrated into the England team. As a backup LCB we have to rely on Maguire and I think Southgate knows this. You can't just hrow defenders that are playing well for their club into the squad because you defend as a unit. That's why we see a lot more rotation in the forward positions than defensive positions. Your average England fan will never think I'm this much depth when complaining about Southgate's choices but these are the things he has to think about. And there's a reason we haven't been getting knocked out in the group stages or round of 16 under him like we were before he came in.

  • @mahamudhassan7522
    @mahamudhassan7522 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I honestly believe Foden needs a player like Sancho for that intricate 1-2 play that he loves. I would take Sancho.

  • @glennmaidment3377
    @glennmaidment3377 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Pick any team u want it's the manager that we need selecting hence a new one

    • @watchlfcwintheucl1693
      @watchlfcwintheucl1693 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      We have to give him one last chance this WC there’s not much point changing it now especially as with a new manager they’ll probably do the same if not worse

    • @HarryKanee
      @HarryKanee ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@watchlfcwintheucl1693 watch these lot start praising Southgate after he gets us to a semi final or Final

    • @archiewall124
      @archiewall124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@HarryKanee we won’t get to the final or the semis, and if we did it’ll be because we got a nice run to that stage, and then we’ll face a good side and get beat. That’s all we’ve done under Southgate.

    • @tianco.moneyhouse
      @tianco.moneyhouse ปีที่แล้ว

      Never🤣🤣

    • @watchlfcwintheucl1693
      @watchlfcwintheucl1693 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@archiewall124 what do I want us to do lose the easy games we’ve only lost to teams better than in us at euro and WC

  • @harrytwood
    @harrytwood ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would be looking forward to the World Cup more if England wasn’t managed by Southgate, even though I appreciate what he’s done over the last two tournaments. 👍🏻

  • @Haavis97
    @Haavis97 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why is Thogden arguing Maguire has important goals? He doesn’t, and that’s not why you pick a defender for England. You pick a defender because you need a solid backline, Maguire is the opposite of solid

  • @ljunyreona9882
    @ljunyreona9882 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    GS is like a restaurant owner who doesn't let his chef do his own thing but only let them serve the same old menu every menu.

  • @miikky9999
    @miikky9999 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I’m watching exactly why England won’t win the World Cup😂

  • @thebluepython7400
    @thebluepython7400 ปีที่แล้ว

    how has ruben loftus cheek, not even get a mention!! so underrated

  • @NK-xd6xv
    @NK-xd6xv ปีที่แล้ว

    Rashford scored , Sancho has not been better but has scored vital goals at vital times.with more composure than anyone. Some players you picking on form and then when it comes to certain players it doesn’t matter.

  • @Ccccc-mi3tr
    @Ccccc-mi3tr ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Blinded by nostalgia of Maguires world cup goals 😂 same reason united paid £80m for him. Take a step back and look with fresh eyes

    • @Hi5GhostMUFC
      @Hi5GhostMUFC ปีที่แล้ว

      Slabhead is League 2 lvl at best

  • @chess_things
    @chess_things ปีที่แล้ว +6

    1:10
    Theo: If it was a tournament just for penalties I'd start him every year
    Me: If you got goals for missing Werner would've won the golden boot

    • @benjamincorbett
      @benjamincorbett ปีที่แล้ว

      He didn’t take him though. Do you have learning difficulties?

    • @chess_things
      @chess_things ปีที่แล้ว

      @@benjamincorbett I am very sorry I meant it as a joke please don't be offensive as i may have certain difficulties I don't wan't to expose

  • @aberjack92
    @aberjack92 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Coady needs to do a basic coaching badge or something so he doesn't have to be listed in the squad but can go.

    • @ancelottiseyebrow5206
      @ancelottiseyebrow5206 ปีที่แล้ว

      Harsh, he’s been solid this season and I’d much rather have him playing over Maguire

  • @f1n9er71
    @f1n9er71 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    toney for sure his confidence is on an other level

  • @dmitrikemp2341
    @dmitrikemp2341 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Why is Lewis dunk not here best England centre back: part of the team which has conceded the fewest goals in the Premier League how is he not even being considered

  • @shahrukhjoomun1173
    @shahrukhjoomun1173 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Pick anyone... It will not be coming home... End of story

    • @Bulskee
      @Bulskee ปีที่แล้ว

      Another English hater. Go cry