Are You Listening? | Mixing Meets Mastering
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ส.ค. 2024
- Legendary record producer, mix engineer, and author Sylvia Massy (Tool, System of A Down, Johnny Cash) and iZotope’s Director of Education and professional mastering engineer Jonathan Wyner (David Bowie, Aerosmith) sit down for a special episode of 'Are You Listening?'
Watch as they discuss pain points in the mixing and mastering process and work through innovative ways to solve them in the box with iZotope’s powerful audio tools.
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This is the most helpful, non-ego based discussion on mixing I've ever heard. Thanks Sylvia and Jonathan.
@@patchybeardopinions9340 a little bit of ego is allowed, they have done some stellar work. But nevertheless, they didn't come across as up they're own asses. I personally found that helpful and inciteful. But it also illuminates the fact that Izotope actually DO care about quality music production. For me it's, Izotope, Waves, Plugin Alliance, UAD and Slate, with a smattering of other quality gems that are out there.
by the way, have you ever heard any ego based discussion on mixing on TH-cam?
@@1alexanderkup1 No, are you interested in one?
More like visible sexual tension lmao
@@rohannagarkar608 - 😨🤣
Hey, smart chicks are hot!
That's an INSANE dip on the master buss eq. Holy shit.
12:20 The biggest misconception in mixing/mastering is the idea of leaving headroom in the mix for the mastering. This is where people confuse headroom with dynamic range. The more important issue is the dynamic range...how much did the mix get compressed/limited/etc. This cannot be undone the way headroom can be. Your headroom can be fixed immediately at any stage in 32bit float by turning down your mix. This can be done at the mixing stage or the mastering stage. Lowering your mix by -6db or any other arbitrary number isn't actually doing anything for the mix other than lowering the volume. As long as you are not clipping the mix, the mastering engineer can turn the volume down themselves even if you leave the mix at 0db. So you turning in a mix at -X db does nothing for the mastering engineer. Instead, pay attention to how much your are compressing the tracks and the busses, especially anything on the stereo bus (overall mix). Allowing the mastering engineer to use their own compressors, limiting, room/environment, fresh ears and experience can benefit the final project immensely. However, there is a great point that was also made in the video about applying some of these things to your own mix yourself before mastering to achieve the initial sound you're looking for so that you don't leave too much of the art/decisions to the mastering engineer. So I also believe in adding your own flavors to the overall mix before sending it off. Just don't overdo it to where the mastering engineer has nothing left to compress/limit with their tools/room/technical expertise.
1000x yes! It's really quite simple, but unfortunately not well understood.
Well explained .. Thank you
waaoooh check out the big brain on brad
what in the world are you talkin about?? i was just wondering the other day where you been. i hope all is good and glad your still grindin
True, but I find that the more headroom I have the less I have to limit. That is ultimately better for the mix.
I love this. And she was sooooo humble. No ego detected.
I love how the most knowledgable artists and engineers are also extremely humble. Sylvia Massy is a perfect example of this. Respect her deeply!
@Ariel Schlichter agreed. It’s akin to the old adage you hear about how people that have to brag about how much money they have, don’t have shit compared to people with the real money. If I didn’t know who bill gates or warren buffet were, they could walk by me on the street and I wouldn’t know if they were worth $40 or 40 billion. I think these two are both geniuses, and even though she obviously knows everything he is saying to her, she politely listens as though she’s actually learning something new. That is the epitome of humble right there. 👍🏻
There's an exception to every rule. In this case, I might point to Chris Lord-Alge. Arguably one of the finest mix engineers in pop/rock for decades. Yet also arguably a man who is unable to comprehend the idea of humility.
@@michaelweinstein3056 yep I like him but he's definitely ego lvl 1000 😂
Rookie Producer, here. This channel is seriously a God send. Thank you so much for sharing all of this incredibly in-depth information freely with us.
I love how Sylvia isn’t afraid to ask questions. In this field we are always learning. I’m so happy I got into music.
It's very comforting that even someone at the top of the game like Sylvia can use some clarification on things like gain structure. And how humble of her to ask such questions. This stuff is hard! even the pros never stop learning.
Stubborn pride and fragile egos everywhere would stop most people from admitting they don't know something. Most would say something wrong and stick to it rather than admit they don't know. She's openly recognising her faults and is willing to address them. That's smart!
I think she knows all this stuff but she is just doing it for the audience. Took the back seat what a legend.
The pic of her on the motorcycle in the studio.. was my project that she produced and sang back ups on. (yes, we revved a live running motorcycle in the studio to capture real sound!) Here's the song Motorcycle Mania: (and yes, the cover art is a painting by Sylvia herself) th-cam.com/video/kORSVkJ9J0U/w-d-xo.html
for real ?
Man, that is one of the most refreshing, honest conversations about mixing, etc. on all of TH-cam (that’s, what, 10 million videos?). I run into the “all tracks recorded at 11” problem all the time. It takes some extra time to set-up an initial gain staging across an entire mix, but I find it’s actually a good way to familiarize myself with each project. Thanks, Izotope!
When i started doing AB with reference material often.. It really changed things. Mixes are consistent now and it is kind of hard to fail. It is brutal at first but it is also the fastest way to learn.
I liken it to "tough love". It can be ego destroying, but necessary.
facts!
Actually, I only started doing AB with reference tracks with my last song. And... it was a difference like a day and night.
i’m hitting this point myself too.. and idk if anyone can sympathize with this, but it feels like a bit of a catch22 when things start getting easy.. because now, every single improvement to my skills yields MAYBE a 1-2% return, and the way i’ve learned up to this point has been pretty much online/youtube/reading, and nobody teaches this stuff online past a certain skill level. though, it’s obviously not the end, because i have all the tools i need to keep progressing. my ears, in my monitoring environment, listening to my favorite records. but it’s just such a bittersweet feeling..
I want Silvia Massy on a record in my lifetime! Not enough women producer/engineer's! Great video!
I like how she took the back seat even though she's a genius
She the GOAT
Big facts
@@StanYouCrazy on the same page
she clearly has no clue how to use commonly used techniques like gain staging and sidechain compression, widening sounds with delay's and other simple tricks actually. sorry to inform you, she may have worked with some genius bands but she probably ruined their songs.
@@DROPNATIONsol Meh...
Sylvia Massy!!
This was a great video. I love the insights of two people that love their craft and never stop learning.
I wish this entire platform was like this. You couldn’t pay for a better education than this.
I love how these two have a really natural flowing conversation
This is a fantastic series, Sylvia is always amazing to get her take on things and hearing them both talk "shop" together and ask questions of eachother is something you normally don't hear! Thank you izotope, makes me want to get the mastering suite!! I have Nector 3 and love it!!!
Another superb one to one conversation with real world talent
This ‘Are You Listening’ series just gets better and better! Thank you 🙏
Thanks all around. To Sylvia for being so open. To Izotope for making this happen. Overall great video about the hands-on implications of mixing and mastering from the mixer's perspective.
Thank you Sylvia and Jonathan. I have been doing this since 1982 and I learn something new everyday...the concepts are limitless which generate such imagination. thank you for the inspirations.
Very classy interview - it’s so easy to follow a discussion when egos are checked at the door and there is just a calm, intelligent exploration of the subject at hand. Thank you so much to both of you.
Thanks so much for this. It's a pleasure to hear pros explaining things with such clarity. Good comments as well. Good job on the video itself -- very nice camera, lighting, sound, edit. :-)
This was one of the most helpful episodes so far, Sylvia's great! :) thank you both!
I am grateful for both of you sharing these precious insights into the art. Lots of love.
Thanks to iZotope!!!
Great Conversation. I could listen to her for hours. For me Sylvia is by far the most inspiring person in the music industry. A great engineer and such a humble and down to earth person.
I love these videos so much! Really great work everyone and keep them coming please!!!
this was so amazing. Seeing them pick each others mind answered so many questions.
That was absolutely incredible. Thank you.
Great video! You can really learn something out of every video you upload! Loving it
these are 2 people I definitely respect. Listening to them talk is great, no egos at all.
Trust me there is an ego there
loved this series and this particular video was super helpful
Thoroughly enjoyed this educational session. The experience of learning "alongside" a legend like Sylvia Massey made it special.
I'm actually surprised Silvia didn't understand "gain staging" it's nice to hear her be vulnerable and ask questions basic or advanced for the pursuit of understanding.
Excellent video. Both engineers are very good and have a great deal of experience.. My production experience has shown me that if you are going to master your own mix, get away from the mix and do not listen to it for at least 2 to 4 weeks. Then you will have fresh ears to start mastering. Ozone 9 is a great starting place.
Great video, you both are amazing ! Such a pleasure to listen a conversation of this level ! thanks !
Fantastic video. Thank you both so much.
This is the most I’ve learnt from any TH-cam video. Very nice thanks
Wyner you are a boss!!. You know your work!!.very great feedback you input👍
U ear that. She went back 3 times! Sometimes u have to go back and fine tune adjustment when you think its proper. Love the fact that she went back and was not lasy too say oh yea that can work. Good job Sylvia.👍
Incredible valuable information for free. Thank you for that.
Love your honesty Jonathan!
This is absolutely fascinating. I know next to nothing about mixing and mastering, but I did just buy the iZotope Music Production 3 and Creative Suite 2 software bundles and I am going through all the Groove3 Tutorials before I begin using any of this. These TH-cams you put out with great people like Sylvia Massy (I just subscribed to her channel) are really great for someone like me who is trying to learn as much as he can. And, hey, if I can learn something (and I am a disabled Vietnam veteran) then anyone of you out there can certainly learn a lot. Thanks for posting this. Cheers.
Excellent interview with a wonderful, knowledgeable guest. Thank you!
Great discussion and eye-opening in places. Thank you!
Sylvia asked some great questions & they really helped me understand the confusion around headroom & where to start a mix level wise! Thanks for sharing the knowledge, everything from Jonathan is very informative & helpful. =)
Pretty obvious that they are dumbing it down for educational purposes. Sylvia knows her stuff. She could explain synthesis, audio-electronics and advanced recording tricks in her sleep. Are you telling me she doesn’t understand digital gain structure and basic concepts such as floating point, headroom, dynamic range and gain staging ITB? I don’t think so. 😉
pretty obvious she isn't desperate to prove anything. just teach
100% Finally a logical comment lol.
Right, side chain compression is explained with a compressed with a side chain out put. She knows about it.
exactly what I felt
I was wondering this. I’m not familiar with her at all, but to me it seemed like she didn’t understand some really basic principles. It makes more sense that she was just asking questions that they thought the viewers may be asking.
Great video!!! Thank you so much
ASHLAND OR ! Oh hells, makes me smile. I owned a house in Grants Pass with the idea of retiring from El Lay up to there back in the day. Now here I am in the Wasatch foothills of Utah. What a long strange trip...Anyway, this is one of THE most useful vids I have ever viewed. Thanks, you two.
Another Great video , thank you so much...waiting for more
So many different ways of how to mix and set your gain structure.. thanks for this video!
Wonderful discourse. Thank you.
Loved this conversation! 👍🏻😊🎶🎵❤️🔊
Great informative convo between these two cool people👍🏾. It displays the contrast of the mixing and mastering mindset very well
This was so informative. Thank you so much.
Great video! Love the interview!!!
This is remarkably well presented!
INCREDIBLE. one of the best music channels in TH-cam
Such a cozy vibe in this knowledge based ping-pong between these two proffesionals, who are of their own respective arts as proffesional as can be.
I know this video is old, but I never thought a plugin company would have this quality of a series. What a great find, and a great interview.
Sylvia Massy is delightful. Awesome stuff.
Thanks for this video. I learned a lot today.
Illuminating! Thank you for this...
This was really good, very insightful and detailed
Very cool and interesting episode, thanks for sharing this stuff with us "mortal" mix & mastering people ;) !!!
I had to pause this and learn more about her. I'm back now.
This is great. Thanks! 🎶
I learned some of what I do is effective (right) and some others that I will employ from now on. Great conversation. Sylvia is brilliant, and an icon to me. Good times.
Perfect Explanation -- You Just Have to Listen; Just Like Leonardo DaVinci; You Must Pay Close attention to your Frequencies..
This is such a great discussion.
great, informative video! Thank you!
awesome. Simply awesome.
Thxx keep them coming
This was amazingly fascinating.
Respect the mix and its your job to make the observations then to help. YES
Very interesting discussion! Thank you!
This is great !
More of these. Very interesting.
Great interview.
"A crushing mess..." Yes! The name of my next project.
Another good one.. tnx 4 tips...
just starting the video...and oh wow Oregon is so cool.
love this
Man this is some gorgeous dialog, great location sound recording!
Um, the interview was filmed in a control room.
Thanks for making this an amazing experience for people who are not as experienced as you guys are. Professionals lowering the level for people like us, gives me hopes on the stage of humanity at this moment ! XD
Very helpful video !
Great video!
This channel is very serious. It's so serious, I've now turned on the bell to get all notifications. Sorry for not doing this sooner.
“Crushing Mess, my favourite genre.”
2 great people had great discussion with a lot of ess :))
Oregon represent! ❤❤❤
Thanks you sooooooooo much. 😍🍻
This was great
Very, very interesting and educational..
What a great lady and what an awesome man. If all humans were like these two it would make it much more harder to leave this earth.
I work in Cakewalk and I find too that most projects are too hot right from the start. I bring all my gains to -18db right off to avoid any clipping. It's been working very well for me and has improved my mixes drastically.
Jonathan's t shirt is AWESOME
Great incites!
The problem Sylvia is (was) having is that she was bringing down the tracks using the channel faders instead of using the gain trim on the tracks or a gain plugin to that matter before beginning to mix. Using the faders will bring down the levels but won't touch the actual gain of the tracks, so you will continue to have hot signals but quieter in level (volume). This means you will still have problems with headroom as soon as you start to process the tracks, distorting things very easily.
The easiest way to solve this is adjusting the track gain using the trim faders directly on the track itself, not in the channel fader.
This works in Pro Tools, but I'm not shure if it's possible in any other DAWs. In Logic, for example, it doesn't. So I will have a gain plugin right in the first slot of every channel for this purpose OR I will use some channel strip plugin with input gain option built-in like the SSL channel.
Do this, balance all the mix using the gain trim or gain plugin in every track. Make shure the stereo bus won't peak above -6db. Now you're good to start your mix without ever worrying about headroom, as long as you level match EVERY processing you do on your tracks.
I did a masterclass with sylvia, nice person and inspiring sound engineer!