BJJ vs The Streets - My Biggest Takeaways From Bouncing
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2024
- Professional BJJ Athlete Andrew Wiltse shares his wisdom from his years of competing and working security at the local bar scene. What to expect from a street fight, how to manage it, and how to better prepare yourself for a fight scenario.
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I trained with a guy that was a fantastic fighter. He got in a street fight and knocked his opponent out. The guy didn’t wake up. He had a brain bleed and was in a coma. Didn’t make it. The guy I trained with is still in prison as I write this
Sometimes even if you win you lose 😢
For real? Dang. What country and city is this?
@@heymanhaha all over the world, I bet
@@heymanhaha Everywhere women are allowed to vote.
its a scary fact man- that why double leg takedowns are a no-no. Damn good way to crack someones skull open. Avoid fights if possible. Dominate if not and Be prepared for the next fight, the legal one.
Good, i hope he has a bad time in prison. He should know better.
I feel alot of bjj practitioners need to hear this. Delusion runs deep in this community.
Seems alot of Hollywood actors training BJJ and thinking they can take on anyone
I met a Marine vet, who was in a 1% club.
He told me that if I tried to RNC him, he would just start stabbing me in the thigh.
I think a lot of bjj practitioners should hear that, as well.
100%
@@Mr.SchitzengigglezI mean that doesn’t beat a rnc. He’ll go out in less than 10
@@icepenguin7278 rock on with your bad self.
I'd rather not get stabbed in the femoral artery, whilst putting a 5 second choke on a guy who can see it coming, and doesn't care whether or not I live.
When i worked as a bouncer a decade ago we could usually avoid a fight by just telling the offending party (before it got out of hand too bad) that there was a woman that was outside the door asking for him.
When he went out we would then tell him he is barred and then shut the door.
Worked about 80% of the time with no problem.
Great idea lmao
We did that in the 90's! Told em there was a call for them on the pay phone.
Killer advice -- just goes to prove you can avoid a lot of fights by communicating and using your brain.
80% of the time 100% of the time!
I saw a gym manager open the door for a TRex human hybrid after being invited to take it outside. He held the door open for him and then locked him outside.
I worked as a bouncer 18 years and have worked with a lot of other bouncers. All of the guys i've worked had gotten into a fight 5 times more than i had. Although i'm a judo black belt and a very big guy, i also tried my best to be polite with everyone. Polite and humble. I treated people with a lot of respect and that solved most of the issues that other guys felt they needed to fight about to solve.
Yeah, works when you are bouncing the wine pubs, not the rank bars/clubs where they aren't mutts.
@@sword-and-shield actually not true. Even the most hot headed guys will calm down if you treat them respectfully. Ask them what's wrong and why they are upset. If another drunk person asks it, they'll get mad. But if you're a big, calm, confident bouncer, they'll usually stay chill
@@maxk880 That hasn't been my experience. When I was polite people saw it as weakness and thought I was scared of them. Once I perfected the art of taking to them in a flat, expressionless tone, with eyes that weren't angry, but weren't friendly and simply said, you gotta go, in way that implied - you can go quietly or not, the choice is your but either way works for me, then people stayed very chill.
This was a long time ago though, and it was a version of me that no longer exist. I like to be nice, but sometimes you have become not nice. I don't like that.
Definitely the combo of being confident and polite helps deescalate. Polite to make up for confidence not so much. Confident but impolite also not so much.
@@maxk880 Its absolutely true, but this is BS " Even the most hot headed guys will calm down if you treat them respectfully" again bouncing at your local coffee shop, sure. Words work with the mutts, when you bounce rank bars there aren't many mutts, but there are experienced trouble makers. So it worked for the mutts YOU bounced, but stating it as a matter of fact, just proves your gross lack of experience.
As a practitioner of BJJ and Muay Thai I still think the best form of self defense is defusing the situation. Real fights come with dumb consequences and stupid injuries.
Yeah because of course you can just always defuse a situation right...
First day as a bouncer I was told, "It is not your job to fight. It is your job to maintain control. If you have to fight you didn't do your primary job correctly." I never had to fight anyone as a bouncer. I removed people from my bar but I didn't fight with them.
@@AmericanMadeMud You were lucky then. Some people are beyond sweet talk.
@@colnixon8989 Maintaining control starts at the door with who you allow in. Paying attention to what's going on is important. Having plans for different situations and a team approach was how we kept the peace. Luck had nothing to do with it.
@@canismajoris6733sometimes the best option isn’t available, doesn’t mean it isn’t still the best option
Not to even mention knifes, guns, bottles etc. I bounced to make some money while in college. I’m not really a fighter, just a tall dude who works out. Luckily the fact that I’m 6’7 kept most people away from trying to fight me. The most common issue was actually women getting way too drunk and causing issues. My biggest fear was always somebody trying to shank me. Doesn’t matter how big and strong you are - if somebody stabs you in the wrong place you’re dead.
This is 100% the truth. Always be weary of weapons, especially common ones like knives even if you’re well built.
Same situation in my youth. did bouncing for about 6 years whilst at university and a masters. Did BJJ just for fun, but its not great for actual self defence. on a door the last thing you want to do is roll with someone one on one, because often they are not on their own. that's not to say its completely unless, as it does teach great footwork and help with both physical and mental agility, but the truth is it has its limits like most martial arts. The best thing you can do when someone has a knife is stay on your feet and run when possible. Don't be the guy who gets sucker punched or worse stabbed whilst grappling with someone.
@@civiprepper yup. Never assume that honorable combat is a thing on the streets. The best thing is just to look intimidating if you bounce - it will end most situations before they begin - especially if you're a big dude. Luckily I don't bounce anymore - and haven't done so since I graduated in 2012.
@@civiprepperwhat happens when a person misses a punch? They clinch.
It's always a good idea to have a mixed set of training.
Teenage gang swarming-intervening to diffuse a bullying situation, where did all these young men come from all of the sudden? Good that I focused on verbal de-escalation…
“You’re gonna get exhausted.”
That sentence alone nails it. Pretty much every street fight I’ve ever witnessed was won by the person with the most stamina.
Long distance wilderness mountaineer/ski racer here, (135-150 miles in 4 days, unsupported is normal) most of my wins have been, not because I was faster than everybody else, no, usually the guys at the front of the pack are WAY faster than I am but in my normal mountaineering trips, I always solo, breaking trail in deep snow, pulling a sled. I've got endurance OUT THE ASS. When it comes down to the last 15-20 miles, it's a contest to see who has any gas left and can manage any kind of sprint. It's not uncommon for me to just be getting fully warmed up and really ready to ski the last day so I'm able to finish incredibly strongly where my competitors barely drag themselves across the finish line and basically die, they are completely empty and have been that way for the past day plus. First time I realized this was the race that I drove a guy from the # 2 finishing team (I was #1 and solo) most of the day back to his house (it was on my way) and he, despite being much younger and an actual racer, not just a mountaineer like I am, slept almost the entire trip, he was just absolutely, completely and totally exhausted whereas I had broke trail for over half the race and felt completely fine and drove all day without problem the day after we finished.
One of the things I've noticed some of the racers do is take stimulants, like energy gels and stuff. This might help in the short term but we're going to be at this for 4 days and nights and stimulants might help briefly unlock your reserves but they won't give you access to something that isn't there and no matter how powerful the stimulant, it won't help you on day 4 if you're not built up and prepared to still be putting out high energy.
Fights seem to last seconds, maybe a minute but those seconds are the longest seconds of your life.
I’ve been in dozens of street fights , won some lost some. Advice- don’t lose, im deaf in one ear, been stabbed and have damage to my brain. Having said that I will always win now. Avoid, if you can’t, be sober or at least not drunk, and when it comes to it hit them first, hard, use something nearby if you can ( ashtray, brick etc) fast, a lot, with your palm elbow knee or forehead, do not punch, you will fuc* it up, the only time I punch is to the solar plexus.This done right will end a fight be sure to bring your knee into his face as he folds, scan your area and then get the hell out of there fast. Above all if you have the confidence of being a good street brawler then you should avoid it. They will normally have friends around , unless it’s a group of squaddies people who can fight generally wont start one, so terrify their friends by being savage as fuck if you are not prepared to chew someone else’s face if you have to forget about street fighting. It’s not weak to avoid a fight.
You'll have a lot more stamina of you train bjj since it becomes muscle memory.
@@thenickwiszniewski A battle avoided is a battle won.
@@itsmatt2105 absolutely
Former bouncer here. It's all true. It's soooo damn crazy when you first experience someone who is going full Leroy Jenkins into the fight. I thought I was a badass. I got blasted my first bounce and was saved my the crew. I thought I could take just one guy who was a bit drunk but dear god it was like he was fully cracked out on some go go juice. I was tired and sweating profusely. Some fights were brutal. I took a belt with buckle across the back once. It dropped me to my knees. I never took on a person alone after that first time. It was always me and 2 or 3 other guys minimum. We had a job to do and we wanted to avoid getting hurt in any way at all. I've kicked people on the ground, I've broken their bones, I've stomped on hands. And yet some people would still get up and want more. Bouncing is not for the faint of heart. Granted, some days were great especially if your work picked up a zero tolerance reputation. But there was always someone new that thought they were top dog and wanted to fight.
BJJ was not as useful as I thought it would be. If they can reach it, they will attack it. Knees, groin, back, etc. I saw a guy think he had a good pin on one troublemaker only to find the guy gnawing on his shin. I saw a front mount get his groin beaten while trying to beat the other guy. One guy was getting choked out from the rear on the ground. The crewmember had his legs wrapped around the dude's waist. The troublemaker grabbed a leg and tried to pull it to his mouth to eat the crewmember's ankle. He ended up chomping down on the crewmember's shoe....crazy stuff.
Talk was your best friend. Deescalate deescalate as much as you could. Talking the person out of making a bad decision was the best way to bounce a person. Otherwise someone was going to get hurt and often it was both parties. The worst ones were domestic disputes. Women were my greatest bane as they would spawn some of the worst situations you ever wanted to get into. Of all of the fights, women were the reason for the majority. Separating her from him was high priority as you could calm down the man. Calming the woman was the hardest. Sometimes you had to be very direct about your threats to her. Forget the police angle. You had to let her know that her boyfriend might beat a crewmember, but the crew will make sure to go through her to get to the boyfriend. She would not come out unscathed. Sometimes that worked. Others were too entitled to believe it.
Such a well written comment, I enjoyed reading this more than I enjoyed watching the video
Friend of mine was a bouncer in Tallahassee, FL, a college town, back in the 90's. He also used to talk about how many problems were caused by women and how much pf a pain it was to deal with them.
That’s the problem with a lot of BJJ or grapplers. They think that’s the all art. You gotta be well rounded and be able to do mostly stand ups. On the ground and on your back is the worst way. People just want to study the easy way of fighting by just wrestling or grappling but yet, they don’t realize asphalt, concrete or gravel is your worst enemy!
NOTHING WORSE THAN A DRUNK WOMAN...
MANY WARS WERE STARTED THIS WAY...
FORMER LEAD SINGER, VERY POPULAR BAND...
WOMEN DON'T THINK RULES, OR SEXUAL ASSAULT APPLIES TO THEM...
THE FN WORST !!
Very well said 😵💫. That’s one crazy synopsis. Fair play to you for taking on those challenges. When alcohol or drugs come into the equation it must be insanely difficult for a sober guy doing a nights work to take that on.
This man's words are so true. I worked 0 years as a bouncer.
@Markone99 You guys are both wrong, and I also worked 0 days as a bouncer.
I worked 10 years as a Toyota Camry and I agree
You guys are not understanding this stands in a lot bigger issue that this guy fails to understand, what makes you guys all wrong. I have worked 5 years as an electrician
It's true. I wasn't the bouncer
I can't believe you guys are challenging my knowledge as someone who spent 0 days as a bouncer.
I was a 260LB bouncer in San Francisco at a high end club where we all wore Tuxedos in the early 2000’s. Deescalation was always my first choice because even when you win a fight you still lose (broken hand, torn up clothes, broken jewelry etc). Even when someone straight up told me they bet they could kick my ass and wanted to fight… I would deescalate by agreeing that they looked too tough for me and I agreed they could kick my ass. Then I would crack a joke and earn their respect. Win-Win because they didn’t try to fight others that night as well.
100 percent this! Wow, at 260 the fact that dudes would run their mouth to you just shows how dumb guys can be.
@@rdeloges7957 It's called alcohol and or drugs
Fuck the state for giving these degenerate subhumans any leg up. There's so many insecure scared dudes that want to dominate and hurt others to fill a void in their chest and if you destroy them you are fucked. The state protects them essentially
@@rdeloges7957Weight don't matter in a street fight. Humans objectively have fragile bodies.
Really? Weight doesn't matter? Oh ok. that's new to me. @@tubblestop414
I was a bouncer myself in college. Almost 50 now. Everything you said is true. And damn near impossible to explain to people that have been brainwashed by Hollywood TV shows and movies their whole life.
I am a former Marine, current bouncer and amateur MMA fighter. Most of the guys who actually get in the Octagon at my gym know what's up, but a lot of the hobbyist BJJ guys and even the hobby kickboxers who never go beyond light sparring would be in for a really rude awakening if they ever had to deal with a big, pissed off guy who genuinely wanted to hurt them.
The one on drugs are the worst. I use pepper spray and I get out of there.
@@michaelzero5278 doesn't always work, make sure you got the good shit and it's not expired, because someone tried spraying me with the camp store bullshit, maybe it was expired, but all it did was help me decide that I fully wanted to beat the dudes ass.
@Fire and Iron I've been training since 2015, and I still carry everywhere.
@@noway5266 I do as well. Doesn’t matter how good you can fight, if you got 3 guys attacking you, you’re probably fucked if you don’t have a gun.
So funny and informative. My bjj blackbelt buddy got in a bar fight while trying to break up a fight. He took a guy down but landed hard with his knee on the edge of an overturned bar stool. Broken kneecap. A year later he still has pain and has a hard time training like he used to. Any random thing can go badly in a real fight.
That hero middleman getting fucked up is terrible. I watched a two on two and didn't get involved i huge guy I knew said 'If I was there I would have...' funny coz in 5"5 and have no training. I've seen and heard the peace keeper getting injured or killed before. I didnt see anyone being taken advantage of in that scrap so I didnt feel bad about my position. I did talk to the police and gave one guy some ointment for his knee though. P S. A neighbourhood friend was assaulted meters away from me last night. That dude has just had brain surgery. They could have killed him. This video is a great reminder of reality.
@@adestickbaby I always assume the person has a knife. Always. It keeps you very humble.
"A brown belt that's been punched in the mouth is now a purple belt" 😂😂😂😂😂 whole thing was hilarious, good show and honest af boi
It's an old bjj saying that every punch to the head takes away one of your belts
@@mistersonnen848 lose your sonic rings every hit
@@vanivermo lol
Carlson Gracie quote
@@mistersonnen848 I heard this.
The best combat art is situational awareness. Being able to see trouble coming and avoid it or place yourself in an advantageous position is king.
100%. I got jumped and I saw the second guy coming. I didnt let on and threw guy1 into his friend. Had I not been paying attention that could have easily been a haymaker to the back of my head.
The battle avoided is a battle won!
This becomes easier the more you train other styles. Knowing when someone is throwing a punch is easier when you train boxing. Dancing is great for foot movement. Lots you can do outside of just a single style to improve knowledge which translates to situational awareness.
Fax. I’m undefeated. 2-0 in fights. But most impressive are the 15 or so fights I’ve avoided due to awareness. Life is to short for all that nonsense which could include hospital bills, jail and worse.
I always say this! I’m glad some others get it. Walking around like you’ve a S on your chest will only bring stress
This is the most honest and realistic assessment of BJJ in the streets. I come across a lot of mma fanboys that constantly think a street fight is no different than an mma match.
This paints Judo in a pretty good light. Clinching and hard throws, emphasis on takedown into submission transitions, explosive hit-and-go style of newaza, no guard work, focus on top positions only, good balance and fitness as a standard like in wrestling...
Defiantly.
Well put.
He is talking about Jiu-Jitsu but I guess judo is rooted in Jiu-Jitsu.
@@ItsMeTyScott BJJ is more a derivative of old school judo
@@ItsMeTyScott BJJ descends directly from Judo though, when Maeda came to Brazil he taught Kano's Jiu Jitsu, a.k.a. Judo, to the Gracies. What Andrew describes here as optimal grappling for self defense is closer to Judo and old school Gracie Jiu Jitsu than sports BJJ, that's why I said it's a sort of vindication for Judo.
I ended 4 fights just by knowing how to soothe the egos of the agressors. It's all about hurt egos. Once you understand that you can end most fights
I can see it. De-escalation is an overlooked art.
There’s a book called Verbal Judo, it’s amazing. As a teacher we are constantly de escalating, and this book really helped
Bro, I've been working doors since I was 19... I'm 41 now, you're 100% on point! Been saying it for years, yet only people who's been involved in street fights, actually understand this!
Something a coach said about the MMA stuff, is get good with one type of art (grappling, striking etc) and learn enough of the others to be useful. It then use those secondary arts to funnel opponents into your primary method.
Which sounded reasonable to me to solve the “not enough hours in a day to learn everything” issue.
That's good advice. And generally in MMA the best one to focus on would be either wrestling or boxing. Moreso wrestling. But those two are probably the best two to focus on. Then it's just a case of learning enough BJJ to not get caught in submissions too easily, and then it's not too hard to add some kicks to your boxing.
Yeah, have knowledge in all areas but specialize in 1. I cross train. I can't take anyone down in BJJ haha I just can't do it. I am terrible. But when I do complete mma I can take guys down because I use striking to set up a take down. So my kickboxing helps my grappling in a sense.
@@stephenhughes5156 why boxing? take kickboxing or western Muay Thai and wrestling and be sure to have some exposure to ground from time to time. done
@@Jaburu Well on paper kickboxing is superior to boxing because its more weapons. In reality, though, I think boxing tends to be more useful because you're gunna have much better hands than a kickboxer and better footwork too. Most strikes that are thrown are punches, most KOs are from punches, and the best way to set up kicks anyway are through having good punches. And then you have to be careful with kicking anyway when youre dealing with a skilled grappler. Besides, it's not too hard to learn to throw some leg kicks or whatever anyway- much less complicated than learning how to really box.
Muay thai vs kickboxing beats boxing in pure striking. But in MMA, I think boxing is generally superior. It seems like that has generally been the recipe for a good fighter: a wrestling base combined with boxing.
So if I had 100 'points' to allocate in making the ideal fighter, it would probably be something like:
Wrestling: 50.
Boxing: 30.
Kickboxing/Muay Thai: 10.
BJJ: 10.
@@Jaburu Boxing focuses purely on your hands, has really good head movement and other defensive tools, and is generally a lot “easier” to learn because of it’s specific focus. Anyone without physical disabilities can be trained to throw a half decent punch which is sometimes enough if the opponent is even less trained. Throwing punches is also way safer than kicks because you’re gonna stay on both your feet. Kicks are great, definitely, but punching can be used in any scenario and they compromise you a lot less. It’s easier to pull a punch than it is to stop a roundhouse that’s for sure!
These stories great in dire times like these.
And in my 18 years of training I have only met one person who could actually be semi effective in disarming knives; and he wasnt a martial artist, he was a paratrooper and willing to die.
Airborne... :D
That’s a skill I wanna possess but never get to use😂
Blagoi Ivanov is a guy that has a win over Fedor Emilianenko in combat sambo. Yet, he was stabbed in the heart in a night club. So trying to disarm people is a big no no.
The stupidity is in thinking disarm in the first place. I have been in two unarmed knife fights while bouncing, and stuck both time, but i am alive. it is always situational, but your overall experience, not training, will make the biggest difference. Most of the time you will feel it before you see it anyway, unless they are some mutt.
In the US army the two things they beat into your head about knife fighting are : 1) don't knife fight. 2) one or both of you IS going to be cut.
Airborne!
I unfortunately had to fight a roommate/coworker that weighs at least 75 lbs more than me last night. The small amount of training I had allowed me to get close, take him down, and choke him out without having to do any real damage. BJJ/wrestling allowed me to defend myself physically and legally. I haven’t trained in a couple years but I will definitely be going to a gym this week to start back up.
If you had to fight a roommate, de-escalation or awareness training is what you most likely need. That never happens without some fluorescent red flags flashing beforehand. Sometimes, it's worth moving out and finding better mates.
Practiced BJJ G training association and Judo in the 90's. Got into a fight with a huge football player. Tried a Judo throw but he had a t-shirt on and my grip slipped. I ended up on my back with him in my closed guard. I held his head in my chest and he panicked and nearly BIT MY NIPPLE OFF! With blood all over my shirt, I then put him in an armbar where his friends quickly broke up the fight.
Lesson was I stopped training in a gi for a while and concentrated on my Boxing, no gi grappling and lots of conditioning. I never forgot that and still have a nasty scar from his teeth.
You need wrestling to make judo work for the most part. Even when gold medalist Yoshida fought MMA he shot double legs to get the clinch.
Hahahahahahahahh why didnt you elebow him?
Judo throws are designed for large jackets not t shirts, just because you don't know how to use bjj in the street dosnt mean it's uslesss
@@Exoticho3 if a throw depends on what the other guy is wearing...idk...
@@mb2776 no it doesn't that's more judo, Greco-Roman wrestling is all cinch based where your grabbing the person and wrestling, look it up
I was a bouncer for 10 years in Toronto and I agree with 99% of what you said. Great take.
Southnarc's Managing Unknown Contacts article changed my perception of threats and body language. Articulating the threatening body language to explain to the cops why I was handing out naps has saved me from legal trouble , and a solid Muay Thai clinch game with some judo did me very well
I was a bouncer in germany, so yeah, jointlocks and judo throws would be total legal trouble.
Plum Muaythai Clinch, head control and head drags, dragging the opponent down Khabib style is the safest for a single attacker and controll both arms not just for punches so they dont pull a knife.
Deescalation is still king.
@Westphalian Stallion yes judo has to be done "for control" instead of "full ippon" on the door. I did however have to slam Harai Goshi a college football player at one point, and only because i got very lucky- sometimes things veer outside the realm of safe and technical, and you have to consider big judo throws as bordering on "lethal force", same as punching someone in the head
@@kcmacdonald I had my base in german "JuJutsu" / traditional JiuJitsu with a police officer as the trainer, so I learnd "Street grappling" before Competitive grappling. So I was always aware on what works in a violence scenario and especially whats legal.
German selfdefense law is funnily as liberal as Texas, in theory you can get away with very much, but the judges are more californian, so in reality you get in trouble for the smallest nonsense.
Every situations where the opponent is "at your mercy" can and will be seen as the end of selfdefense and everything after that is assault. So yeah jointlocks are pretty out of the picture and throws with air time (O goshi, harai, etc.) are inviting a lot of questioning by lawyers and police...
But I talk better than Chael Sonnen so I could talk myself out of most conflicts. I always made clear that I am doing my job, I am a good man and there is no gain or honour in escalating the whole thing. Nothing personal kid.
"Bro is this your first time partying?"
"No!? I am a regular guest and I know the owner"
"So you know there is always a guy arguing with the security and making a fool of himselfe because everone knows It doesnt work?"
"Yes! What a fool!"
"Look around and see if you can find this guy tonight?!?"
*Dude looks around, sees his error and walks aways frustraded but not angry and doesnt comes back with his brother*
what do you think about kick boxing in a street fight is it effective?
@george drolias
it's super effective
When I was on the door I was more familiar with the Thai style, so the clinch was my preferred range.
However the benefit of western boxing (including WITHIN kickboxing itself/dutch MT) is awareness of angles, centre line, defense and maintaining distance
All that being said the way to win on the street is to walk away if you can, and have a force equalizer if you can't
100% agree on not going to the ground. My first street fight after learning BJJ, I took one guy down into an arm bar and his buddy just kicked me in the head.
Where you KO’ed or did you get up and beat his ass? Don’t blame you if you got KTFO, many would
@@interestedparty7523 nah I got lucky and it didn't knock me out. I was drunk though so I think the nerve disconnect was blocked, lol. It did sober me up and I was able to walk away. They didn't follow.
Same (kinda). Took a guy down and thought I had it made easy. Little did I know he had some friends with him lol. Luckily the bouncers broke it up fast. It would have got ugly for me pretty quick. Lesson learned 😊
@@michaelwolejszo6445break his arm
Why didnt you just break his arm?
I started working as a bouncer on 6th Street in Austin Texas circa 1991. At that time, I had boxed (USABF/GG/AAU}, wrestled folk and Greco (never a great wrestler), and held a Brown Belt in Judo (competed AAU). I had also held a Black Belt in Kempo and Tang Soo Do. I had trained in Muay Thai in the Inansanto curriculum. I have been training in martial arts including BJJ/GJJ and submission wrestling my entire life.
I worked over a decade in total between the ages of 18-37 in clubs as security. Mostly to supplement my EMT and paramedic and carpentry incomes. Christmas money, vacations, etc. That sort of thing. With that predication, everything you have said is absolutely spot on! I have trained with Dog Brothers Kali and all sorts of 'guru' types. I have seen some effective weapons defenses, but never seen any that I really wanted to try. I have been stabbed twice, shot once (not a bar, but a party with other bouncers).
Everything you think you know is, for lack of better way to say it is--"F-ALL tits on a boar hog useless" if the other guy's motive is to kill you and you want to look 'cool'. I sincerely appreciate your video. It was genuine, factual, and accurate. Congrats on being 'undefeated on the streets' I wish I could say the same. But, even the worst grappling match, boxing match, or kickboxing match I've ever had. Even when I've been knocked out cold. Pales into comparison to the time I wrestled a meth head ex con, 40 lbs lighter than me, while on duty as a paramedic.
Truly a frightening experience. It was an actual life or death situation. I had zero back up! My partner was a petite young woman. The only that saved me was being fit and having a solid Judo and wrestling base mixed with my slightly above average boxing.
Again, just damn good video!
Nail on the head' all the fancy stuff wont save you from an amped up coke head or a speed freak i know been there knocked out Ect , one thing i learned dont go to the floor with your agressor you will always get kicked by his mates other thing was take the air away windpipe grab/choke-out stay on your feet follow up from there ...................
Ah yes...trying to control superhuman Demoniacs while alone with them in the back of a moving ambulance cab; been there, done that with FDNY in Washington Heights and Harlem and I had to rely on God's mercy and the reflexes He gifted me with. I was able to instantly "discover" techniques like "sticky palm" and various others to deflect and decelerate kicks and such and even made 'friends' with a "Savage Nomad" biker we found spread eagle on a liquor store floor after I finally convinced him to have a tube of glucose gel. Good Times...
Hey based, I tattooed down there in the early 00s, I am wiry, I like to carry a pistol at least a couple blades in those days. Hahah oh man auto knives and brass weights in those days, coming off a god damn neon fixed gear packing a .38 🥲 do you ever miss it?
@@paulbarclay4114 In my experience, the three arts that worked best for me were Judo, Greco, Muay Thai. I have a Black Belt in Kempo and my Kempo instructor, God rest his soul, was a Black Belt in Judo, Shotokan, Kyokushin, and Nippon Kempo. (I previously said RyuKyu, but that was me misremembering. That was my other Kempo instructor). He was an old cop from Texas (DPS???). We did Bogu for years! So, I sort of had that MMA background before it was cool.
Muay Thai is great art. I don't think its the only 'real' art that works. BJJ/GJJ has some effective stuff on the ground. Most of the self-defense curriculum for stand up is just plain idiotic! Get you killed stone cold dead. Knowing the guard and being able to control someone from bottom momentarily has its uses. But, my go to moves as bouncer was an arm drag to an RNC. Most people have no idea what is going on when you arm drag and have their back. If they squared up, it was boxing, Muay Thai, and old school Kempo Karate. Nothing fancy just front kicks, knees, punches. Although, I did chop a guy in the throat one time, but I was standing to the side of him when a huge fight just erupted. He was a giant football player from TU. Bigger than me and I'm a big dude. He had a reputation for busting up clubs and bars. So, I just delivered a shot right to the throat. No wasting time. Just 'whap'! And into the fray. To my surprise, he dropped and his screeching girlfriend drug his big ass out of their choking and wheezing.
We fought weeks later and that end with me having a black eye, busted nose, and he had a broken jaw, broken nose, and missing some teeth. I did not start it. Did not want it. But, I sure as shit finished it.
@@paulbarclay4114 We're more or less on the same page. I agree with you about Muay Thai's effectiveness.
I started bouncing in Baltimore in 1988. I also was a PPO ( personal protection officer) at psychiatric hospitals and at John’s Hopkins ER where we took in psychiatric emergencies 24/7 and had the rubber rooms to contain them when necessary. I am getting old now, but I have learned a ton and am much better at de-escalating then I used to be. That’s the most important skill set for bouncing/security. It doesn’t always work, especially with people who are literally insane. As far as martial arts: You must have exposure with all ranges, period. You must also be able to deal with more than one person and be cognizant that whoever you are confronting, isn’t alone. Most of this information is good. It’s definitely not a job for people that want to get into fights. Oh, you certainly will find opportunities to do so; but You will end up in jail, or fired, or worse. Thanks for the video.
RE multiple attackers: never get surrounded. If you're in a hallway with multiple attackers, always be ready to retreat backwards to prevent the surround.
When did you work at Hopkins?
That some serious resumee I'd love to read about what you learned about human behaviour and your own in relation to unstable people
I was born in 88, and have never bounced anyone beyond a child.
From my observations, the scrawny little coward in the group is oftentimes more dangerous than the big strong posturing alpha male because he flies under your radar and slips quietly around to sucker punch you from the side!
Notwithstanding the above, thanks for an honest and a top video!
Trained in Shotokan for just over a decade before leaving my dojo because of time/money constraints. I'll say this about street fights: knowing how to punch and kick is absolutely going to help you through many situations, but almost every altercation you will find yourself in will involve some form of grappling. Never underestimate a trip and dont forget to run once you pull one off.
Got in a fight with my daughters bullys mom and I slammed her into her car and tripped her backwards. We both went down and I was on top of her but her kid started pulling my hair and my daughter launched through the air and tackled her, but the mom rolled on top of me and is twice my size and I couldn't breathe and the panic was insane 😂 I scrambled out of it as she got off me or I'd be suffocated. I'm not in any kind of training but I was so proud of my tripping her until it went bad 😂😂😂
@Vivacomunismo 😂 it was funny cuz she dented her own car by being so big. She tried to press charges but the police wanted me to because of what her kids done to my daughter and she paid me $200 because her kid threw my daughters phone on the ground during the altercation. Was a W pretty much for us all around
The Mario music makes this perfect
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wild ranton spotted?
wtf????
“30 min snooze fest on flograppling” had me audibly laughing 😂😂
My favourite self-defense myth is the non-telegraphed punch - I've seen guys run 10 yards, with their right arm cocked fully back, while screaming at the guy they want to punch that they are going to knock him TFO, and they still connected.
Pure aggression can count for a lot
Fights are explosive, the person who freezes usually loses.
a lot of people have a death wish.
Yup. Notice how you don't go after a small dog even when it shows it's teeth. You can squish it but rather not get bit.
In a self defense scenario it's best to have both striking and grappling skills. Cardio training is crucially important. I once was a sparing partner for a CA Golden Gloves heavyweight boxer who ran 5-10 miles almost every day . I could go toe to toe with him for the first two 3 minute rounds but soon got exhausted dropped my guard and he would start landing blows. I was slender lean and cut. He was chubby and out weighed me by 50 - 60 lbs. So another important lesson don't judge a book by its cover or you could be surprised by someone who you mistakenly think looks out of shape.
Indeed
Yup, and the more muscle you have the greater the strain it places on your body's cardiovascular system. Fat does not require oxygen to function, though it does require energy (from muscles) to be carried. Moral of the story: a fat guy can have 15 good rounds in him while a guy with a BMI of 10 who looks like an Adonis might gas in five. Look no further than Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua for proof of this principle. The only muscle anyone needs in combat sports is functional, not, as Joshua still hasn't realised, aesthetic.
@@davesmith826 Sounds like anti -logic to me
There's a lot of that in society, a lot of fat-shaming people who are actually very fit but just thick-set, men or women.
People by and large, are stupid.
It's entirely logical - if the muscle is not functional, i.e. not used for the actual use of fighting. Everyone who has trained in martial arts for any amount of time knows this. Pack on too much muscle and you become slower, easier to hit, and stiffer. @@Sionnach1601
As a cop I agree with you, I entered the police academy as a well-trained 10-year veteran in martial arts. As a cop, I had an extra concern, every violent encounter I had during my career involved at least one gun. Trust me fighting for your weapon is on a different level. I agree with your advice on foot sweeps, that was a very important technique for me during my career. You also mentioned competition, very very important, I had a brief career in kickboxing in the early 80s, and despite training in multiple disciplines, kickboxing was the only player besides boxing for many of us who were trained also in Jujitsu not BJJ, boxing, and judo. The fighting competition gives you the ability to think and not panic during real fight scenarios. You are also correct about BJJ guys learning to strike. All martial artists need to feel a real kick and punch, on the same token, a striker needs to learn how to grapple. As a young martial artist 40 years ago I realized the need to train in multiple disciplines, I am grateful that I took this approach, it saved me during my law enforcement career! Thankfully, I survived a career in a very large metropolitan area, thanks be to God! Thanks for the video.
@@Elektroslag cool, thanks for your thoughts. Are you a construction worker? I agree with you construction is a dangerous line of work. The video I commented on was about street fights and bouncing. Not about the ranking of the world's most dangerous jobs. But is it safe to say that construction workers are normally not attacked as they build houses and buildings? th-cam.com/users/shortsSW838fITWYM
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Did someone say foot sweeps?? That my jam. And stomps to the knee.
I worked as a bouncer in college.
Broke a couple guys arms and both times they just kept fighting, it really doesn’t work the way most people think.
I’ve found hard takedowns, pins, and chokes work best and clothes grips work.
The weird thing is some people wake up really fast.
Takedowns and pins work better than striking, I did kickboxing for years and never used it.
Was safer for me to just close in, take down the big drunk guy pin him and cuff him.
Long story short, I switched to Judo after bouncing.
Aren't said guys barely threats after you breaking their arm?
@@raikasha8152 Breaking offenders arm(s) isn't really the best battle plan if you bounce for a living.
Not from a moral viewpoint, nor legal, nor effectiviness.
@tappajaav I got the legal shit before you even said it. But combat effectiveness. I guess it just doesn't trigger the pain nerves or some shit if the guy hasn't given up from the agony of having his arm kit kat'd
@@raikasha8152 They can still use the arm. One of the guys was still swinging after. Also both breaks happened while I was taking them down it wasn’t an armbar or anything.
Adrenaline has crazy effects, I have broken my elbow, ribs, and tore my MCL while competing and didn’t feel anything until hours later.
@@tappajaav 100% both times it happened while I was trying to take them down and cuff them. It wasn’t a armbar or kimura or anything.
As a bouncer for 10 years and a black belt I can tell you this video is 100%
"Non compliant slumber session" really got me.
This is one of the most balanced perspectives on street fights I've ever heard (probably because it comes from actual experience). Well done brother, love your content.
The exhaustion thing hits you like a ton of bricks. There is just no simulation or preparation for a real world full on resistance from another person who truly wants to hurt you. It wears you out mentally and physically insanely fast, like less than 30 seconds fast.
I remember being a personal trainer thinking I was hot shit athletically, got in 1 real fight and the first thing that hit me was “holy shit I’m worn out” like literally 20 seconds into it.
Yes. This!
You have to learn to breath...this is why we boxers exhale on every punch.
@@jadedpaladin6685 Oh God I would heartily agree with you but for that awful diction "Yes. This". Cripes, try a little bit of actual English expression for once.
@Sionnach1601 Yes. Also this!
Nah. A competition will prepare you for it cardio wise.
I found that my training in rugby was very helpful as a bouncer. I could grapple up to 3 grown men and MOVE them towards the door at a pace that I was able to control. It helped that there were a few handy steel columns holding up the roof to assist our impromptu scrum. Guys who thought they could break away found that bouncing off steel columns was much worse than scrumming with me. Good times. Oh, yah, that was in the early 80's when folks still respected human life. Guys could have a dust up, and later sit down and have a beer. Different times.
For real! I inadvertently got in the way of a bouncer taking a dude out in a bar in Wellington, NZ about 20 years ago. Bouncer was smallish but tough as nails Maori guy that rugby tackled the patron out the door from like the other side of the bar lol. I got in the way at the last second just before the doorway and went flying.
Can we all be thankful that might no longer means right? They’re not called ‘the Great Equaliser’ for no reason. 🙏🏻
Yeh man, you're right 👍
I love how frequently guys can point out a friend who started out as an enemy or opponent in a fight.
(e.g. - about the time I thought I'd won a fight with a solid liver punch, he caught my off switch with a clean rear uppercut. Started the day as strangers, and a few years later I was best man at his wedding. Women are missing out by not working that way ;)
Rugby is running Judo !
I worked loss prevention after getting out of the military. I'm a small guy 5'8", around 150lb, and one of the tricks I learned in taking down people much larger than me is grabbing anywhere in their waistline, and simply pulling up while rotating them in any direction. You cannot maintain your balance when you're not in contact with the ground. Be sure to land on them, and drive them into the ground slightly, not to hurt them, but to ensure you end up on top, and not the bottom. The real trick is to close the gap without getting into a fist fight.
Bear hug style around their waist? or grabbing belt with hands? Not sure what you're describing here...
@@jessec.8052 Wrapping around their waist, lifting them up and twisting them over to one side sounds like what he did. I’ve done that to a couple of my friends and similar stuff when I wrestled so I can see that working pretty well assuming you can actually get to the guy
The arm slip to rear naked choke is the very first thing I remember learing in Jiu Jitsu roughtly 37 years ago and it is the most useful bit of violence I have learned until today.
Can you please describe the arm slip?
@@progressthroughpainGet in a clinch and duck. Then, with the force of your legs standing back up and your hand on their elbow/triceps from beneath, step through and push/slip through under the arm/armpit so you can get their back and neck. There is nothing fancy about it but you need good timing and the right amount of off-balancing and pushing someone around.
This is awesome to hear. My dad did different martial arts his entire life and the one thing he told me was that the ground is often your closest weapon.
I’ve gotta say the take down thing is spot on.
I recently changed from a Japanese Jiu Jitsu gym to a straight BJJ gym. Anytime I’ve rolled with someone and started from standing, my opponent has been clueless. I rarely get a takedown on them because the moment we clinch, they pull guard. In straight BJJ it’s no problem (depending on the rule set of course), but on the street you can’t just pull guard. You have to learn how to take people down while avoiding their takedowns, let alone their punches!
Even in MMA, there is a much greater downside to pulling guard.
Guard isn’t for pulling guard and I don’t know anyone who proposes that in a street right. Guard however IS useful in a straight fight for when you somehow end up in bottom you can sweep or submit them. It’s about having options from any position you find yourself in
@@Arcadianx98 EXACTLY. BJJ was revolutionary in part because it was the first system that allowed you to be offensive EVEN IF you were put in a disadvantageous position. Nobody ever proposed putting themselves there on purpose in a fight.
@@tommym321 Is was only revolutionary in that it introduced the guard to a large number of people who didn't know about it. The guard and fighting from your back already existed in Judo and JJJ. BJJ just decided to concentrate on it
What the hell is with all these no-standing BJJ gyms??
Literally the best most concise advice you'll ever hear on real fighting and martial arts, and that'll waste the least amount of your time, also. Amazing job. Flawless.
I've worked as a bouncer and this is the best video I've ever seen on the topic. My knees being scraped up and slightly bruised, knowing that I was going to take some damage if a situation popped off. The adrenaline, etc. I've thought about these things and have actually asked John Danaher in person if he will come out with an instructional as he bounced for years. Such an important topic.
What did John say? 🙏🏻
This sums up why I NEVER engage in shit talk when I'm out. I do NOT want to be in a scenario where either I end up hurt or god forbid I drop someone, they hit the back of their head on the concrete and now both of our lives are going to be affected (brain damage or death for them, possible prison for me.)
This video hits the nail on the head better than any other! I have been in many fights as a young man but and it was and is very …. Interesting to say the least. As a man who’s nearly 60, I still train but I also realize my limitations, the potential of running into a young man who is also training but, is much younger and much more athletic… I avoid fights and I never place myself into those situations anymore, no bars, no concerts, nothing… I am not hiding in my closet by any means… I train for the potential situation that I can’t get out of…
Very good video!
You found your calling. I’ve been following your Daisy Fresh story for a couple of years now and this is the most entertaining commentary on real world BJJ ever.
yeah this is good. Not sure how much content like that can be done regularly though
agreed
This was great. I started Judo in 67 and ten years later was in a bar band across the Southwest. Judo saved me countless times. All of that practice became automatic throws when someone stepped in my circle, or I in his. Loved that phrase you said ..the ground wins every time. Lol
no u had the potential backup of your band mates if your in a place with no backup you have to stay mobile cardio and striking is king in that situation and that's the situation that's the most vital, to well your survival.
@@jasonmckay8793 I was a Nidan in Karate and had boxed as a kid. They always started with striking, few ended that way. As far as bandmates I can ask them if they would have ..I'm playing with them again after 42 years! But they were lovers, not fighters, never saw them in a scrap. Your points are valid, of course.
Did you ever play at the Rose in Muskogee, OK or Caravan in Tulsa, OK? I swear, I've met you. Maybe Cains in Tulsa? I worked event security there years ago.
It seems like you were instigating these events, or took people down when they weren't being physically violent yet. You know what I'm talking about.
Judo has also saved my life or at least kept me from getting my butt kicked.
Your experience makes you the best person to comment on this subject. Bouncers know what it’s really like. Thank you.
I was a bouncer for a decade. Stabbed once, kicked in the face a bunch of times, head butted in the teeth, punched in the face, elbowed in the face, slammed, buried under a pile of 6 people, etc. I agree choking someone out was by far the easiest way to stop them. Sadly in my State chokes are considered deadly force so you had to be really careful. So like you said about the ground being unforgiving we used a ton of hip tosses and leg sweeps and they worked amazing. I knocked out the majority of people with a hard bounce on concrete.
@Jermilli Vanilli in the arm, I actually didn't realize it until after the brawl was over. The cop looked down at my arm and said, "are you alright?" Then it started to hurt, and swelled up like a baseball.
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Active law enforcement officer here; @Wiltse Brothers BJJ is dead on the money with this one. Particularly about the difference in levels of resistance of a crackhead that doesn't want to be arrested vs 1 of your training partners in a gym setting. Not only do they have the motivation of a man/woman/whatever that is literally fighting for their freedom, but the drugs/alcohol in their system give them Crack Ninja Superpowers. Never mind a beautifully executed elbow escape, having someone literally writhing with superhuman strength trying to brute force you off them is SO MUCH harder to deal with than people think. And all those takedowns I execute perfectly at my gym, always end up looking so scrappy/messy on the street, simply because the other person is not reacting in a way you're not used to. The chaotic nature of them being untrained almost makes them harder to deal with than someone who is trained. Thanks for this video, Andrew- awesome perspective!
"Crack Ninja Superpowers" made me audibly LOL.
@@grandmasterfash7396 In reference to the legendary ‘PCP Crack Ninja’ video. If you haven’t seen it, you’re missing out.
Bouncer for decades in Riverside and San Bernardino,
1. Get control of their head
2. Find the hardest thing close by
3. Forcefully maneuver the head into contact with the hard thing
4. Done.
5. Go to prison for manslaughter
Horrific advice, unless you want to end up in prison for murder.
Finally a gentleman who tells the grizzly reality of fighting on the streets and chaotic circumstances multiple variables that come into play . It’s probably inherent to human nature to want to live in a fantasy world to a lesser or greater degree as it affords a sense of internal security. It is really hard for man to confront unpleasant truths , it truly requires courage. Dangerous encounters humbled me and put things into different perspective .
Absolutely the best talk on actual street encounters I've heard coming from a BJJ practitioner. Thank you.
This dude is the most down to earth and realistic fighter I've ever heard. He knows fighting elitists are very wrong when it comes to street fighting
I worked in night clubs for 8 years, I competed in both amateur wrestling and boxing and I've trained in Jeet Kune Do Concepts Filipino martial arts as well. What you said about weapons is spot on, even if you train with a knife you are going to get cut if there's a knife introduced into the situation. I loved what you said about the ground being "undefeated" it's amazing how many people do not realize how concrete or a crowded dance floor can change a ground fight dramatically. Thank you for the video, can't wait for the next one 🤙
It's all fencing boxing and FMA. Bruce didn't invent it. it's what his professor taught him.
Yep, slippery floors, tables etc. I've trained a lot with blades l, you can pull of movie like restraints, then take one in the heart the next time. In a facility (security job) I actually got stabbed in the chest by a psych patient with a McDonald's plastic spoon, didn't even know he had it. I was lucky it wasn't a real blade.
Easily the most informative video I’ve seen regarding actual street fights without showing one street fight. Good job, will be rewatching in case I missed something.
Bouncing was my first job and i returned to it briefly after leaving the navy. Tbh i felt like the huge guys were the most effective always. You know which guys i mean, the 6ft 4 to 6ft8 300+ pounders. These guys presence alone is enough to discourage most people. I'm not small at 6ft1 250 but these giant fellas just had an effect on people that normal sized guys do not and push come to shove they can simply pick you up and mostly effortlessly remove you from the premises 😅
Exactly. In Germany, there is a famous trainer for bouncers, and he says minimum size is 1,90 m and weight 100, better 120 kg. You simply don't have to take strong actions as when you are smaller.
The beautiful thing in real life is there are no weight classes. Your goal is to maximize your strength and size while being athletic enough to fight. As well as have good fighting skills.
@@JohnSmith-cz3us I'm not talking about professional fighting or street fighting here. I'm talking about BOUNCING which involves de-escalation and when that doesn't work physically removing people, not FIGHTING them. Very Large men are best suited for this because they don't need training of ANY sort when they are able to simply grab you , lift you off the ground and place you where they'd like. Life isn't Roadhouse where a 5ft 10 , 150lbs Patrick Swayze can kung fu his way through the bouncing world. And before we start talking about grappling arts (I'm a BJJ instructor for reference) that is a big time investment that most bouncers don't have or could afford. While martial arts are great and certainly effective they aren't cheap and more importantly when you are a mountain of a man they are superfluous. But yes I agree that everyone should train to be their best, martially and general fitness-wise.
@@michaelc9400 I agree with everything you said. I would only add that, larger stronger men, always are preferred whether it’s bouncing, street fighting, or mma competition. That’s why there’s weight classes. The larger, stronger person is always favoured assuming fighting skill is the same.
Any club/bar with a decent crowd should have 2 bouncers. One (strongman) at door and one inside never to far from door. 2nd should be real exp fighter.
Thank you for this awesome video. A blueprint on developing the correct mentality for self defense. I’m still new to BJJ, but I now have a new perspective on what to focus on. For me, closing distance, blood chokes, and escaping from bottom position are the key takeaways.
Mix BJJ with Boxing, Kick Boxing/Muay Thai and do functional strength training as well as cardio conditioning. Kettlebells are great to achieve both.
This is the greatest most complete street fight breakdown I've ever seen. Hilarious clips on the side.
The adrenaline dump after my first bjj comp roll was astounding. I was throwing up, heart rate just wouldnt slow down, could barely close my hands (gi lol) and was shaking for about 10 minutes. Worst part was I had my next fight in fifteen minutes time lol. Was a very valuable experience, if you train competing is worthwhile just to experience bjj at 100% exertion
Cross training will massively increase your chances of sustaining less damage in a fight and controlling the situation. Boxing can make you better at take downs in a sense that it forces them to keep their hands up so you go in. I always sucked at take downs in BJJ. When I went over to MMA my take downs were a lot better because they're not strictly focused on grappling anymore you set your take downs up with striking. It does make a world of difference.
The last point really hit home for me, been working on Muay Thai to get my striking since getting my blue belt for this exact reason
with a blue belt and decent muay thai you'll have better self defence than 99% of people
I train Muay Thai but haven't started my BJJ journey yet
Muay Thai is great. All fights start on the feet, and BJJ is a great supplement.
Even though I was a kid when I got into a lot of fights, I experienced the same thing. Even w/ random sparring sessions against friends, things rarely go the way you anticipate. I’ve only had 2 experiences where I ended a fight early. 1 of the 2 times, I got into it w/ 3 untrained opponents. I was lucky though, because the other 2 gave up after I significantly hurt their friend. After that, I became very good at deescalating potential fights. I’ve seen some people get f’ed up in street fights. It’s not worth it to me.
This is the exact philosophy I was taught in Shotokan in the 80's. BJJ wasn't around at the time for me, and this was the most extreme game in town and the only guys doing full contact. Our instructors used to teach us that you've only got about 30 seconds in a fight before you gas, and I was a lean back then. Most people don 't understand how quickly the exhaustion comes, especially if you get tagged, and I never had a sparring match that I didn't get tagged. Even if it's in the leg, it tires you out.
No I never got tired quickly I have no idea what you guys mean. I used to lift weights for 2 hours straight while hitting the heavy bags for ten minutes at a time in between.that helps. I did hang back and let the other guys waste themselves. It's the adrenaline dump that you need to be calm with that does that mostly.
The standard Shotokan straight punch (Choku zuki) has ended more fights for me than any other technique. The whole point of Shotokan is "if you have to counter more than once, you are doing it wrong" ...
I got attacked sitting in a chair and was able to use "sticky hands" Wing Chun to defend until I could get off a Shotokan punch ... the only target at my eye level was his hip so I turned him sideways and straight punched him into a pool table and put him down.
@@josephmeador1529 yes exactly. In shotokan we don't "spar". We pick a moment and go in.
@@edwardschmitt5710lmao. Ok bro.
This is why I always say I've used my Muay Thai and wrestling far more in street fights than I've ever used BJJ.
This is by far the most realistic funny yet entertaining TH-cam video I’ve seen regarding BJJ.
Thanks for sharing your experience. What I would say from my experience in street fighting is that, if you are going to take your opponent to the ground and mount, get a couple of good strikes in and get back up on your feet. I grew up collegiate wrestling from 8th to 12th grade, so I never had a problem with takedown, mount and striking my opponent. I came to this realization after being in 3 fights in bar parking lots, the first one I got booted in the side of the head be someone else, didn't see it coming. The second time I got booted in my mouth by someone else, didn't see it coming. The 3rd time, someone stomped on the top of my head and my forehead got bounced on the pavement
This needs to be an informational video for everyone single person whoever has or ever will learn BJJ. It only works if there are rules, and there are no rules in a street fight.
yep, images you’re trying put a angry bigger guy in arm in a triangle and suddenly his pick you and slam you on hard concrete 🫨 not mention they can punch, elbow, eye gouge or bite
There are tons of videos of BJJ working in the streets. The key is to learn BJJ at a class that mixes it in with wrestling
Excellent video and advice. Thank you for sharing. I’m a 49 YO BJJ blue belt with limited takedowns. I’m hesitant to spar takedowns because of injury risk but for you young bucks out there yes, absolutely learn to wrestle. I train to stay in shape and hopefully give myself an advantage if I’m forced to do something. 🤙🤙
42 YO blue who sucks at takedowns 😅😂🙋♂️👈🏻
that "whos line is it anyways?" reference mad me an instant fan of his takes lmao ! welcome to the real world and Where the rules are made and the points dont matter. legendary line right there
Not a BJJ practitioner but this video makes so much sense and is magnificently delivered. Thank you.
My lack of experience in the kind of scenarios you described are why I tell people who try my class that I do *not* teach self-defence.
Really good video.
I bounced for 10 years (just weekends). I practice Hapkido and Judo for a long time here in Canada (35 years now - I no longer bounce). My observations are a bit different.
1) joint locks do work but not due to pain compliance but because you have tied them up.
2) generally, dislocating an elbow won't get you in that much trouble as there is a fair bit of movement before it fully hyper extends. The courts here is certain jurisdictions have ruled that there was time for the trouble maker to comply (circumstances depending).
3) In Canada a choke is always considered Excessive Force if you get sued. If chokes are your go to move then you Will get sued or possibly arrested on the spot if police are called. Just make sure there are no witnesses, which usually isn't the case.
this is the best video i have ever seen on reality of self defense. i have bounced and also been a dumb person engaging in fighting and did well with one year of grade school wrestling about a year of karate and a library card, i just started training in a gym and it is great i love the training and the community aspect
This is why Judo has an advantage for a street scenario. You get good at what you practice. They train in a natural upright posture rather than hunched over. Drilling to throw and stay standing which is ideal. Maybe the most proficient at foot sweeps of the grappling arts, or at least from that upright posture. If you needed a fight ender, assuming you are some what proficient, you can do that big throw and control them so they don’t just go straight to their head. The Judo ground game and submissions isn’t as refined but definitely enough against an untrained person.
Completely agree. Judo newaza is more rudimentary compared to sport BJJ but that's ok for me, it's just what carried the Gracies through the early years of MMA. Besides, it's a matter of allocating resources, if you want self-defense all those hours learning fancy lapel guards and ground acrobatics aren't going to do much for you anyways
Agreed
Thank you for some of the most street-wise, and intelligent, commentary that I've heard from a BJJ guy.
100% to all of this. In judo you win on a confirmed throw, Ipon - that is usually true in the street as well. A full body slap on concrete with weight crashing on top of them often results in a KO. Just be sure to keep the idiot attacking you as safe as you can, since you are trained and excessive force is a thing even in self defense.
Not only that, but in Judo you must get the submission as fast as possible because the rules limit ground work, no time to advance the "hierarchy of positions" or to stall. That means you have to get good at throw-submission combos and be very explosive and efficient with your newaza. Sounds like an all-around better approach for self defense
Judo is the real deal. Real athletes too. All those dudes can toss anyone on their head or hit a foot sweep. A black belt in Judo would destroy a bjj black belt. And the bjj black belt may look like some obese trucker.
Yep. Have always told parents, judo is the best art for self defense if they ever wanted to enroll their kids in a martial art.
@@danielmontilla1197 Yea, I dunno how BJJ for self defense became more popular. Maybe because BJJ is more popular overall in the western world? But Judo is more popular every where else.
I was going to take BJJ for self defense, just cause I wanted to be able to neutralize strikers (street fighters), and we all saw how well that worked in the 1st few UFC events. And, we've seen it even in recent UFC events, when accomplished BJJ'er basically smothers a low level grappler/medium-high level striker.
And, I don't know what made me think about it, but I just thought to myself "why do I wanna do BJJ to neutralize someone on their feet by taking them down to the ground, when I can throw them to the ground and stay standing".
I planned on doing both either way. So, no biggie to me. Having both seems like the complete MA it should be.
@@shanehunsicker103 "would destroy"? You make it sound like we havent seen any evidence of this, and it's only hypothetical. You can find it on YT, and in BJJ/Judo gyms all over the world, cause there's always people who want to cross train.
It usually goes like this, from what I've seen. The Judo person always gets the takedown, of course. But, once he does, the BJJ guy either brings the Judoka with him, or the Judoka goes for one of their "quick ground submissions", and the BJJ counters and starts working his BJJ on him. And, eventually the BJJ gets the submission.
I know Judo lovers and BJJ haters like to claim "its just a subset of Judo, just train Judo. It has the BJJ ground techniques too". But truth is, once it goes to the ground the BJJ player has the advantage and gets the W
The reason I took my kids out of f BJJ and placed them in judo and wrestling. Balance on feet should be learned first before you learn to lay on your back. I wanted them to be able to dictate where a fight goes, and it will be a real challenge fore anyone to dictate the ground to them.
Do all three.
@@mikemcnut3204 actually for children, just do judo and wrestling, it’s how they do it in Russia. When they get to around 15 to 18 they can move more to submission base grappling. For adults, BJJ is the best for you because judo and wrestling is hard to learn and hard on the body. BJJ will teach enough practical aspects, without actually hurting you. No tapping in wrestling, and no tapping in the air in judo. So for adults, to learn balance on your feet is a horrible painful grind filled with concussions, and blown out knees. Judo especially is not for weak. It’s why most BJJ practitioners quit it in a month. The first hard throw they take makes them think about their life choices.
@@blitzthekraken9832 I mean judo is tough but your generalizations about bjj and bjj practitioners aren't based in reality. A lot of mma fighters with bjj backgrounds have done very well against judokas and wrestlers and I hope you don't say some braindead nonsense about mma fighters not lasting in a street fight.
@@serjarmen I wasn’t talking about MMA. I was talking about balance and staying on your feet in a streetlight. But since you brought it up, you know all those elite fighters like shavvenko and khabib all have judo black belts got them when they were kids, so judo does really well in MMA. Russia starts with foundation and then you learn cherries. USA just goes all cherries and wonders why the Russians are so good.
How about boxing? It's pretty good for quick footwork/balance/awareness
Best real-world advice, most of us will never know!
Worked as a bouncer during college. The head bouncer fought in Pride FC later UFC and he said never go to the ground in a street fight.
Edit: please don't choke anyone out. Tighten at most 3 MAYBE 5 seconds and let go. At the very least don't admit to touching anywhere near their neck or you caused "loss of continuous"
I’m 6ft 200 lbs, former wrestler now BJJ player. I’ve been bouncing 12 years I’ve used only BJJ & wrestling. Never had an issue but I will say this is where training in Gi helps a lot. Especially when judo is incorporated in your training. I’ve put many guys in an arm triangle choke while bouncing. BJJ does work if used correctly. But yes I agree using your words is definitely a better way to deescalate.
Indeed I always found it weird that conventional wisdom is no-gi is more "realistic" when in fact most people wear clothes, which can be grabbed. It's not just to take advantage of your opponent's clothes; it's mainly learning how to deal with them grabbing your own clothes
the sharpie/chalk test is the best for people to understand how easily it is to get cut in a knife fight. fighting an opponent with a knife is the absolute last resort option after you exhausted everything else
I like what Craig Jones said in a recent Lex Friedman podcast episode: the person who wins a street fight is the one who is willing to take it the furthest, the fastest.
I like Craig but thats a dumb take. Willingness to take it the "furthest, fastest" isn't the same as the ability to do so.
@@Somethingsomethinglol they're not mutually exclusive.
@@jeremyyap1714 I never said they were. Do you understand there is a massive difference between willingness to do something and actual ability to do something?
being in prison is not winning. it's extremely easy to be lethal, try some striking or throwing a dude, he'll hit his head on concrete and fkin die, happens allllll the time. u will get into shit in prison and extend ur sentence too. the whole art is neutralizing him without taking damage, meaning also legal and financial damage. that's why tactical flashlight is better weapon than a knife. just blind and run, how many BJJ ppl train sprinting? we all think we're such self defense masters but literally nobody trains sprinting
I don't think Craig has fought.
You had me at Mt Vernon. But seriously as a brown belt in BJJ and someone who trained in MMA. I do one thing well in the streets. I don’t fight !!! Walk away. And you can’t walk away. Runnnnn! And if you can’t run. Drive away! Fighting on the street is not fun and comes with legal ramifications if you end up beating the snot out of someone who doesn’t wake back up. And worst someone stabbing you , shooting your or any combo of those two.
Been a stand up fighter all my life. Got into BJJ beacuse I wanted to know what to do on the floor. You are 100% right on!
Great take, good experience. If anything about working in bars has sunk in for me.... its that monsters and freaks of nature exist among us, the strong, breakproof, choke proof are there. And thankfully, they arent normally the ones who start fights.
This should be played as a disclaimer at every martial arts school. There are people out there who go out there puffing their chest out after the first stripe on the white belt.
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH REALITY. Street fights are random act of violence, you can be a great fighter and get fucked up bc there is no rules or barriers set in place
This is the most honest and realistic guide to fighting in general and street fighting! I grew up fighting, I’m a Veteran, I’ve been training in American Karate and Japanese JuJitsu for 4 years now…you hit the nail right in the ducking head with everything!! Thank you 🙏🏻
When I was training, I found out pretty quickly that being 6'5", nearly 300lbs, and having a hypermobility condition made me an absolute nightmare to deal with. I also took training in regards to verbal deescalation and nerve strikes mostly so I could deal with people like me easier.
What's a hypermobility condition?
If you're 65 and 300lbs and moving like dynamite I ain't fuxking with ya lol
This video is a auto LIKE . THIS is one of the best street fight talks vs competition fights I've ever heard. Especially the nap- takes fight away and quick back take with a duck under . Perfect
This vid is funny and gives some good advice! I worked as a bouncer in a few places in the summers when i was younger larger/stronger and thought I was up for such things. The mangers liked me because I was able to talk people down from fighting every time, and never hit anyone or got hit. Other bouncers where often there to beat up drunk guys and such. One summer I was offered head of security because I always walked people out the door without drama. However, it was only a matter of time until my luck ran out and someone sucker punched in the back of the head or what ever, and I decided not to push my luck not being a fighter or someone was actually wanting to fight. Anyway, much of what this kid says, who has a lot more experience then I do, jibes with what I saw growing up in Brooklyn 70s/80s:
Very good video, too many BJJ nerds think that's how real fights happen and it's just not, spot on about the knife disarms too, I did a few years of eskrima and the biggest take away was that disarms never work, I also like to regularly show other martial artists how useless the knife defence they learnt is, love the look of suprise in their eyes when they realise blocking will just result in their death or that trying to grab and wrap up my arm just leads to me casually twisting the practice knife onto their wrist and start cutting, and on top of all that pretty much no martial art practices against how people will actually attack with a knife, no one is gonna do big wide slashes, they are gonna grab you by the collar with a stiff arm to you can't run away or move forward and then they are just gonna pop pop pop pop faster than you can possibly defend
8 years 10p JJ and now I do kickboxing. Been in tons of street fights as I used to sell drugs on the street decades ago. I so agree with everything you said. Great video.
This is awesome! As a former competitive combat sports enthusiast and former bouncer, I can completely relate to 99% of this ( except maybe the whispering of the semi - homoerotic messages, which is classic by the way and wished I had thought of it, lol.) I would also add that giving quarter to a female combatant in a bar is also risky; don’t do it. If they are going to ‘throw down’ in a bar, then you should grab them and throw them out down the stairs the same way you would a male. It sounds brutal, but it’s in your best interest. I’m very happy that I don’t bounce anymore but bouncing is a type of uber realistic training that challenges so many notions regarding ‘fighting’. For example it only took me about a week or two to stop using small joint lock manipulations and chicken wings, etc. before converting over to using predominantly standing rear naked chokes to escort an individual out of a bar. I would take a fist, usually my left hand, and dig into their lower back/kidney causing them to move to the tips of their toes so that I could walk them out in an easier fashion with less resistance or giving them an opportunity to sink their weight when we had to shift around a corner or throng of people. The drug use is no joke either as was stated. I had an easier time choking out a Chiefs linebacker than I did some scrawny little hopped up brat, onc, I’m basically saying no literally no amount of pain compliance would have worked on this kid.😂 Anyway, thanks for the solid information. This info should be placed on the same level ( if not higher as the bubishi or Sun tze’s Art of War manual, because it is real, and practical, and it works.
I will say as a law student who has done some MMA I found out from one of my law professors that anything that cuts off blood flow or oxygen to the brain is considered strangulation and suffocation in most states which is a FELONY
That’s why there’s blood chokes and air chokes. Air chokes being trachea based which are the dangerous ones to be careful with. Blood chokes by design don’t do the same legally.
Better to be judged by 12 than be 6 feet under.
@@rwdchannel2901 than trialled by 6
Does this not take into account self defense?
Best thing to do for street fights rule 1. is to avoid them.. never know if someones a shot in the pride away from snapping and using weapons. But for real, if you want to have real defense. Practice kickboxing offence, but mainly defence. Also hardcore train grapple defense and bjj defence. Should be okay for the most part. But rule 1 is important
Finally......a real fighter that has real life experience with using BJJ in a street fight! Thank you Mr. Wilste! I was a tactical police officer for 17 years. If you are in a tactical or front-line role you will get into a street-fight at least 4 times a night and you're always outnumbered. This leads to new strategies such as the number one rule is to control your distance... and ALWAYS. Next thing is that when on the street you're taking a big risk going to ground, this is why I later preferred boxing. Statistically if you end up on the ground you will lost in those crucial first 60 seconds. On the street you have to treat it as a fight for your life, no-ones coming to help you, statistically most fights are over in about 2 minutes, this means you opponent will be giving it everything, therefore you need to prepare that little dude suddenly have the strength and power of a really big dude. Also, read your opponents body language, again, statistically the one that connects with the first big punch wins. So read that body language and control that distance, even if you have to run! Everything Mr. Wiltse is 100% spot on. Thanks Mr. Wiltse. This is you're first video I've seen and I'm subscribing!
I fucking love Wiltse, based, hilarious and buzzsaw personified
Brilliant. This guy is the smartest guy I’ve ever heard on the subject of self defense. He is extraordinary. Watch this every day. 🙏🏻 thank you very much for speaking such common sense.
This is soo accurate. I worked at different places for about 8 years. Duck under the punch close the distance and the ground is hot lava. Also it took a little while but I realized descalation is key or you will be too tired to enjoy your shift drinks. Never raise your voice either.