DEBATE: Who Is The GOAT Winger? (Ft Ronaldinho, Neymar, Hazard etc) | GOAT Bracket
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- Ronaldinho, Neymar, Robben or Hazard? Who is the greatest winger of all time? Watch and find out who won in our GOAT Bracket style tournament!
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the mini debate about hazard made me feel like you guys should do a video about who you guys think wouldve won the ballon dor each year if messi and ronaldo werent there
it might be a bit difficult coz of the impact they had on their teams winning and how much the other possible winners of this hypothetical situation benefited from messi and ronaldo being on their team(eg would madrid have done the 3 peat without ronaldo and if not would that affect benzema's hypothetical chances of winning it in those 3 seasons).its a bit of a tricky one but whatever way you choose to look at it i think it would be an interesting topic to explore
I like it
2008 - Xavi
2009 - Xavi
2010 - Iniesta
2011 - Xavi
2012 - Iniesta
2013 - Ribery
2014 - Neuer
2015 - Neymar
2016 - Suarez
2017 - Neymar
2019 - Van Dijk
2021 - Lewandowski
@@akmalabrar7531 flip 2010 and 2011 winners and I agree with this
@@akmalabrar7531 2008 - Torres
Shite idea still
I can’t believe you guys are really debating Robben and Mahrez, Robben is clear fam
Nostalgia merchant
@@izz9267 ??
Yeah Robben is clear. There is honestly no comparison
@@NamelessKing_11 yeah clear at missing 1v1s in a world cup final
@@izz9267 robben is clear not even close
Omfg Robben is so clear of Mahrez it isnt even close
Robben was multible times in FIFAXI
He was top 5 players in the world in period of 2010-2014.
So right, these guys are clueless, Mahrez only good at leciester
nah fr robben is clear, don’t know what they are on about
Faxxxxxx
As a bayern fan i got so pissed
@@shaunsuper4485 smoking buuj
Faysal said it so great “dinho created it, neymar perfected”
Faxxxxx
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
That’s cap bro. Yes neymar has been doing it for longer but neymar hasn’t had a szn even close to the 2006 szn Dinho had.
Nah Ronaldinho perfected it 😂😂😂
@@hazz2620 yes he has... Neymar basically did what dinho did in terms of Flair, dribbling and pure fun to watch, but took the numbers to another lvl.
Dinhos best ever season number wise is 1 g/a per game. That's what neymar averaged throughout his entire career as a whole, let alone prime. Dinho is my favorite ever player, he made me fall in love with the sport but neymar took what he did and took it up a notch
Since World Cup is coming up do a World Cup winners bracket. Where all the winners are drawn and see which teams come out on top.
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World cup player draft works better imo
Not really gonna have a lot of teams tho..
Not to mention they wouldn't have a clue about any team or tournament before France 98
@@madmoxxi7397 they’ve already done it
2002 Brazilian team is best team i’ve seen at the world cup
Faysal stepping up to make up for the loss of Shaun is legendary
What happened to shaun btw
@@nemx2472 got cancelled
It's like Ansu Fati trying to replace Messi...He can't (Messi=Shaun and Ansu Fati=Faysal).
@@reikozi3471 is there a story or statement?
Yeah icl I mainly watch for Faysal now, he’s done well to replace Shaun
The debate between Ribery and Hazard is a lot closer than they made it seem. Ribery reignited Bayern's modern dominance. The year before he joined Bayern they finished 4th in the league, and within a couple years they made it to back to back CL finals and won the treble in 2013.
The 2012-2013 season Ribery was unplayable and was the best team player in the world.
As a Chelsea fan i think Ribery is clear. Having watched Hazard in all his years for Chelsea, there were times he was magical and other times he was just lazy. Ribery was almost on par with his dribbling, better workrate defensively, better passing and crossing and far more trophies. Ribery the more effective player, Hazard for the 14 year olds who just wants entertainment.
Ribery>>hazard and hazard is my top 3 favourite players ever
facts
Name one big game performance from Ribery? Unless I’m missing something? Never ever done it in big games in CL
@@patrickbateman9850 facts hazard carried chelsea on his back for years ribery had help🤷♂️
bring liban on please he makes the episode so funny. also big up faysal a regular now he’s sickk
commenting so this gets more attention
Faysal has more ball knowledge than everyone on this show combined tbh. He runs rings around them in debates, and the funny thing is they all attack him together after everything he says and the comments always agree with him 🤣
Fr we need Liban back
Fr get stars off his knowledge is shocking used to be better when he was just in vibes
Today Faisal showed us:
You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become suga shaun.
Robben was so good. Scores beautys angainst all the good defenders. So underrated
So good that he only needed one foot
Exactly Robben is the one player I can think of that does the same move all the time and defenders still can't stop it
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That discussion against Mahrez took too long. Mahrez is a baller but Robben is genuinely up there with the Neymar level for me. Incredible player.
@@Leo31291 he’s not as good as neymar but he’s acc one of the best wingers of all time. Big game player aswell
Do a bracket tournament like this for the last 20 champions league winners and try and work out the best team!
Let's be honest it's gonna either be a Barca or Real team, no one else (besides maybe Milan 03) really gets a sniff
@@De3dSh0t Most of them have obvious winners but the other rounds would be fun
Faysal’s comeback is the stuff of legends. From Triple F to being the ball knowledge reference on the pod. Especially when talking about the 2010 Ballon d’Or and Sneijder at the end, not many people say it these days
I like Faysal but on this episode he had some horrible takes. The recency bias and Prem bias is crazy. Neymar is a great talent but he's nowhere near Ronaldinho, let alone R9. Robben, Bale and Salah have achieved more in terms of the CL and played in much better leagues and showed up in the biggest games. Hazard isn't even close, Di Maria and Ribery are at least as good as if not better than Hazard.
My order would be: Ronaldinho, Figo, Robben, Bale, Neymar, Di Maria, Ribery, Giggs, Beckham, Salah, Hazard, Mahrez, Son, Mane, Pedro, Sterling.
@@affectiveteam6229 what are you on about? Neymar is very much close to Ronaldinho. Only Bale comes close to Ney out of the other names
Sneijder didn’t deserve it I’m tired of hearing this bullshit. Individually he wasn’t even top 3 that year but his team won the treble so everyone thinks he should’ve won it. If inter didn’t win CL nobody would say Wesley’s name which was the problem with the ballon dor in previous years as it prioritized team trophies. I’m glad they changed the ballon dor criteria
@@affectiveteam6229 Prem bias, I’ll give you that, but Neymar definitely should be winning this one, and as far as Brazilians go, ofc he’s not the greatest, but out of those I saw playing… maybe.
My ranking goes : Ney, Bale/Roni, Robben, Figo, Di Maria, Ribery, Salah, Hazard, Mahrez, Mane, Son, Sterling, Pedro, Giggs/Beckham
@@MM-jc7uv Litmanen was robbed by Weah in 1995, and I’m supposed to believe Sneijder should’ve beaten fucking Messi in 2010😭😭😭He was nowhere near the Top 2 for Inter or maybe even the Dutch but best player in the world apparently. Same goes for Jorginho in 2021 and Varane in 2018
I've never seen a guy look like he has as much fun playing professional football, as Ronaldinho did.
We miss Liban 😢
Swear bro
And Shaun
@@Tmbt10 and Shaun they both made this podcast
What happend to liban?
the disrespect Dinho gets from this pannel is ridiculous we're talking about a balon d'or, WC, UCL, Copa America winner. we're talking about standing ovations at the Bernabeu, iconic skills and goals. neymar hasn't achieved more than half of those things, he has bottled nearly every UCL KO match cos he wants to celebrate his sisters birthday and hasn't won a single trophy for his country. please for the love of god let's stop the disrespect on dinho's name
This sisters birthday thing is just a conspiracy atp, he just gets injured a lot. And one of the seasons where he managed to stay fit is when PSG got to the ucl final
The sister birthday thing is BS!
Faysalllll with the Eden prop love it. Also forgot to mention Eden's Belgium career, he carried them in Euro 2016 and WC 2018, Silver Ball in 2018 (robbed of Golden ball)
Big up Faysal !
Thank you. Read this crazy stat that hazard wasn’t tackled once in the World Cup without it being. A foul. 2018 World Cup he was the best player in the tournament. I don’t get why ppl compare him to salah. Hazard is clear
You are chatting rubbish. Belgium had an awful Euros. The lost vs Italy, beat Ireland, Sweden and Hungary before getting comfortably beat by Wales. That’s despite having amazing players around him.
Belguim were playing atrocious lol robbed my ass
@@mohamedelbaz3874 what are you talking about hazard was incredible World Cup 2018
son isn’t a winger but salah is😂😂😂😂😂😂sharky has 0 ball knowledge
I get what he is saying. He is saying Son's natural position is more through the middle than on the wing. Same way that Firmino is a more natural number 10 than a number 9.
@@garymaidman625 if son isn’t classified as a winger then there is no way you can class players like salah as a winger
@@Spliro Son was played as a winger, but Sharky is more natural through the middle. Gerrard played at right back early in his career, but he wasn't a right back. Thierry Henry is considered one of if not the greatest Premier League striker of all time but started playing on the wing. Gareth Bale started as a left back. Just because they get played in a certain position, that doesn't necessarily mean they are best suited to that position.
Faysal rates Hazard way too high. He hasn’t really won the UCL. Hasn’t come close to the Ballon D’or and had been a flop at Real Madrid for a few years (these years have to count too)
Ribery was robbed from Ballon dor in the prime time of Messi and Ronaldo while Hazard was never even in the top 5 debate in the world and he is somehow better than Ribery
Tell em..
Hazard was absolutely in the top 5 debate in the world but he was just never recognised by awards like the Ballon D'or because they have a very specific set of criteria. They favour trophies so whoever recently won the Champions League/Euros/World Cup etc. Especially when the domestic league was never guarenteed at Chelsea the same way it is for the likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid, Bayern etc. Hazard's best season numbers wise was 18/19 which is when Chelsea finished 3rd in the league meaning eventhough he had one leass goal involvement than Salah he wasnt even in the PFA team of the year (and we know how much more he does on the pitch than Salah). They won the Europa League so weren't even in the Champions League. And then the seasons where he does win trophies like the Premier League (like 16/17) his numbers weren't as good. Eventhough he played out his mind and we would never have won it without him and he scored incredible solo goals like the one against Arsenal it doesn't show up in the numbers. Basically for the Ballon D'or everything has to align - trophies and numbers. That happens at the top clubs in the league's where players score more goals. The top scorer in the Premier League rarely scores more than 30 goals so it will always go to a Laliga, Bundesliga etc player in which 30+ goals isn't that rare. And it'll always go to someone at the club that wins the Champions League etc like Real Madrid or Bayern. Hazard was top 3 in the world at points in his career.
@@Anonymous-xr8hx facts
Neymar's peak started from his last season at Barca and lasted till his 3rd season at PSG. Contrary to what most people believe, Neymar actually became a better player after joining PSG... Also during 2017-2020, Neymar was comfortably the 2nd best player in the world. In my opinion, peak Neymar vs peak Ronaldinho:
Dribbling: Tie (Even though, statistically Neymar is the more prolific dribbler)
Scoring: Neymar (Neymar is CLEAR)
Playmaking: Ronaldinho (Neymar is world class, but Dinho was slightly better)
Overall, I'd say it's almost a toss up. But I'd go with Neymar since he is more complete.
Some top top names however Ronaldinho had it ALL. Skill, flair, right foot, left foot, header, acrobats, speed, strength, power, agility, free kicks, EVERYTHING! The most complete footballer of all time I reckon! Top show lads!
To be the most complete footballer you have to be excellent in every part of the pitch he can’t be the most complete of all time
Literally described neymar and his weakfoot is better than R10
@@yslsex Dinho>> Neymar
@@calm123 oldhead take
Nothing but a smile merchant. Neymar clear.
Robben got most motm on WC (6) with Messi and Ronaldo, 4th in ballon dor, toty, CL final motm, bronze shoe on WC 2014. and a lot more and that with being one of if not the most injured prone player of the last 20 years. underrated as hell
Ronaldo fans always get exposed when it comes to comparisons with other “elite goalscorer vs elite technical baller”. They always seem to pick the elite tech ballers 🤔 but claim CR7 better than Messi. And what’s jokes is that Messi got better goal scoring numbers than him (6 European golden boots and better goal:game ratio)
Messi has played in La Liga and France, Ronaldo has had to play in PL too
@@gbart2devilish570 what point are you trying to prove ?
@@Shanzo1 it’s harder to score goals in the PL in comparison to Ligue 1 and la liga
@@gbart2devilish570 oh yeah because Haaland has been struggling quite a bit hasn’t he. The same mighty prem that I’ve seen the likes of Mitrovic, Danny Ings, Patrick Branford , Antonio, Callum Wilson Jimenez etc get 13+ goals in the prem
@@Shanzo1 haaland is an exception… there are countless names that have come and not replicated form. Lacazette was a comfortable 25+ goal player in Ligue 1 and didn’t get over 15 in the PL once. Jimenez had one good goal scoring season, Antonio has never had over 10 goals, Callum wilson has hit 14 once, Danny Ings and Bamford have both had 1 good goal scoring season and Mitrovic has never done it in the PL until the good start to this season…
Therefore all examples you said are invalid as none of them are consistent 13+ goalscorers in the PL
Btw guys last year for Hazard was 18/19 not 17/18, but numbers were similiar regardless.
Love the vid
They're weren't close in terms of the league which is what made them dismiss Hazard completely at that point. 18/19 was Hazard's best season in the league. 16 goals and 15 assists in 37 games vs 12 goals and 4 assists in 34 games in 17/18.
@@Anonymous-xr8hx exactly as Hazard got 21 goals and 17 assists in All Comps in 18/19 which is much more than in 17/18
Can’t believe this!! Love this podcast but you can’t say Eden is better than Ronaldinho of one season and also Ronaldinho changed the game. He’s one of the goats of the game not just as a winger. Love the podcast tho guys it’ll be good if you can get one of your subscribers involved. Love to put my input.
Saying Giggs is a Vince Carter with rings is so accurate.
Comment of the year Lmao😂😂
Nah because vince carter was atleast the best dunker in the game. The streets remember vince, streets don’t remember giggs
@@crackberry7902 tbf Giggs is the all time leader in assists in the Prem, with the most ever PL titles, so there's that
But yeah, he doesn't have the streets
@@De3dSh0t that’s cuz he’s played over 1000 games😂😂😂 look at his goal to assist ratio it’s not good. KDB gerrad lamps hazard Henry so many players above. One of the most overrated players ever
Vince was better at bball than giggs was at football
The giggs comments are ridiculous. Just admit you didn’t watch him. Look at his assist numbers. 41 clear of any other prem player of all time
The disrespect on giggs was outrageous walahi 😭😭
Deserved. Scholes belongs in that overrated list too.
@@Conaty Liverpool fan I'm guessing
@@matitolera8159 Stop being a nostalgia merchant, Scholes has been heavily overrated since retirement
@@matitolera8159 try again
@@matitolera8159 hundred percent
Amazing Video guys. Keep going sharky. You killing it on all your channels
Neymar overall, Ronaldinho for peak ability.
yeah R10 was great was only an elite player for 3-5 years ney has been elite for 10
Yeah at peak Ronaldinho is best, but overall i do think neymar lowkey a better play
Neymars peak is top 3 of all time, Ronaldinhos isn't
@@44nkk Neymar peak isnt even best in the world
@@44nkk top 3 is horror cant lie
Beckham - in this day of football he would either be a "good" midfielder in a midfield 3 or one of the BEST RWB in the world. he would basically be a football version of quarter back. a few years under a good coach to hone is defensive side and he'd of been incredible in that position
Nedved deserves to be in this list probably
He wasn't a winger more centre mid
Of course he deserves. There is Pedro in this list
53:00 Funny thing to say when Hazards highest ever Ballon Dor finish was 8th
Hazard should’ve won it in 2018 he had an elite year + his worldcup performance
@@aj3013 he was not better than ronaldo, messi and modric
@@aj3013 messi and ronaldo were by far the best in 2018. Messi had most goals, assists, MOTMs and so on. Ronaldo wasn't far off either and won the CL. Modric did well, won the CL and had a great wc.
No matter what you put as the most important aspect, be it pure individual performance(messi), trophies and wc(modric), or a mix of the 2(ronaldo) hazard never comes out on top
@@omkhetz3798 modric was so overrated in that year he won it cuz he got to a semi final hazard should have won it
Faysal honestly says the most stupidest things sometimes, Hazard’s possibly the most overrated footballer ever, man went a year without scoring a league goal but we’re meant to believe that he’d challenge neymar if Messi and Ronaldo weren’t there🤣🤣
Hazard is a tier below the likes of Gareth Bale let alone Neymar. I also don’t see what he’s got over Salah bar dribbling (Salah dribbling is still world class) and being more aesthetically pleasing, Salah’s best season is 10x than any Hazard season.
From 2009-2019 Robben only has 144 goals for Bayern Munich. For perspective Ronaldo got 100+ 3 seasons at Juve. Sometimes Messi and Ronaldo make this sport seem easier than it actually is😂
Look up robbens injuries he missed so many games lol
Ronaldo got 100 goals In 3 seasons at Juve not 2
@@Batman1998- regardless still sounds crazy compared to to Robbens
Robben is a winger and Robben had many injuries
@@LoyalFan9383 Ronaldo played on the left at Juve
Never thought I’d see this level of disrespect for someone as lovable as Ronaldinho. Saying Eden Hazard is better is criminal from Faysal
"Lovable" because everyone hates neymar people will not admit he is better than r10 as he is not "loved"
@@malz5596Exactly, I do not understand why everyone has an agenda against neymar
Robben is the one player I can think of that does the same move all the time and defenders still can't stop it
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“I don’t think Beckham has ever had a year like Ribery did” was one of the main players in the treble winning season and finished second on the ballon D’oro list that year
Not just that he also dragged England to the World Cup in 2002, and was arguably a more important National team player than Ribery who was one of the reasons France imploded in 2010
they don't remember how good Ribery was
Love Fays but he becomes a hot take merchant at times
Beckham is really disrespected. He was robbed of the balllon d'or in 2000 when he won the treble the season before and was the best player in that united team and arguably the world
no way he was best player in that united team chill out bro
You can segue for 98 in 2000 if anyone was robbed was figo
Exactly, the guy was heavily involved in every single important game United played that year
Hazard being better than Ronaldinho is a terrible shout, Dinho's peak was one of the best in football history. Neymar> Dinho>>>> Hazard. Hazard was elite and carried that Chelsea side but he's still below the 2 Brazilians.
the only right answer mate
TELL EM!!
These guys need to do a Top 10 best Brazilian players of All-Time. Faysal keeps insisting Neymar is better than all these Brazilians. I want to see if his delusion will put Neymar above R9.
If he does then he should never be allowed on the podcast again
17:54 I need paracetamol for the headache these guys have just given me
Ronaldinho was the complete package. Goalscorer, assister, playmaker, dribbler and possibly the player with the most flair in football history. He was easily the best player in the world at one point and his influence on the game was immense. Neymar isnt better than he was at his prime and Hazard's never even been close.
neymars career in terms of stats are better but dhino has a WC & Ballon d’or and is probably more naturally talented, also didnt really care one of the most unprofessional pros ever
Isn't longevity the biggest thing missing from ronaldinho. Isn't that an important aspect
@@SASMADBRUV7 why? he showed he never cared about longevity, he would show up to practices drunk, having sex before games. Crazy nights before games. Yea longevity is a factor but he achieved a lot in not much time if you really think about it… WC winner, UCL, Ballon D’Or, Leagues? what more did he need on his CV?
Neymar literally has everything you just listed and was an even better goal scorer. Peak Ronaldinho is slightly ahead, but overall there is definitely an argument for Neymar and he was the best player in the world outside Messi and Ronaldo for like 2 years
@@elijahvital2331 Him doing all those activities is his fault, and longevity is important in football. Neymar kills him when it comes to consistency and Dinhos prime is not that far ahead of Neymars
It's official now Faysal had the most ball knowledge
Cuase u r chelsea fan and he said hazard is better than dino 😂 bro cmon 😂
@@waryaosman4055 yes he is, like he said you’re letting nostalgia win you over
@@askedit2963 Say you never watched Dinho without saying you never watched Dinho. He was the complete package. Goalscorer, assister, playmaker, dribbler and possibly the player with the most flair in football history. He was easily the best player in the world at one point and his influence on the game was immense.
No way dinho 3lvls above Hazard. Neymar 1 lvl above dinho
The Hazard ballon dor take was horrendous and him saying Dinho’s best season “isn’t even close” to Neymar’s was brain dead. Faysal probably does have the best ball knowledge but some of his takes are just stupid, just because you go against the mainstream doesn’t mean you’re right all the time…
The prem bias must stop bro robben is way better than mahrez this is just disrespectful
This is so funny . Hearing sharky advocate for mane and when ask who do you go for ? “Robben” lol
Big man bring back the man that can’t be killed 😂
SDS has grown to the another level without that man.
@@mckennageno7053 Not really
Faisal just disrespects man who he barely watched play. If you played during 2010-2022 you qualify for his GOAT category 😂 first R9 now Dinho
Exactly he’s disrespecting players because He didn’t watch them. So that’s their fault for some reason
@@peterfrimpong3980 ignorance init. If you care bout ball so much go watch film 😂
@@mdptg1990 😂😂
Ronaldo and Messi are 1 & 2 cleeeaaarrr. No matter how you order them, they're clear. The gap between them is not a big one at all.
Yeah if you wanna say ronaldo messi whichever order, lets say they are at 1000, everyone else from 3rd going down is starting at 300 and thats being kind, not much wingers is close at all
Ronaldo with 5 ballondor's is closer to Neymar with 0 ballondor's than he is to Messi with 7 ballondor's?? At least make it make fucking sense😂😂 twitter is absolutely a dead space
How can you be on a football podcast and think Ronaldo is better than Messi
Because its factual as a winger he is
Ronaldinho = 2x Fifa POTY, 1x Ballon D’Or, 1x WC Champion
Neymar =0x Fifa POTY, 0x Ballon D’Or, 0x WC Champion
….it’s not even a debate…Neymar isn’t even on Kaka, Rivaldo, Romario level yet
Cherrypicked much? Ronaldinho isn't winning POTY or Ballon D'or in this era lets be real. In his peak years he had to compete with Prime Ronaldo/Messi/Suarez/Lewandowski, 2015/2020. He's still 30 as well
@@rijantamang8637 Yeah not like Ronaldinho had to complete with R9, Zidane, Kaka, Henry, Figo, Cristiano, Totti, Xavi, Gerrard, Lampard, Zlatan, Eto’o right? ..oh wait, he did…Ronaldinho was better than Kaka, Kaka was able to beat out Messi and CR7 in 2007 for the POTY and Ballon D’Or that says it all
@@CJVP99 Yeah beat them when they were much younger and not in their prime. Ronaldo only hit his prime the year after and Messi did so 2 years later. Ronaldinho's ballon d'or winning year was 44 G/A, to put it in perspective Neymar had 46 goals, 7 goals in UCL knockouts, joint UCL top scorer, scored in every leg I believe, won the treble, 19 assists and ended up 3rd in Ballon d'or in 2015. But Ronaldinho would beat a 90 G/A Messi right?
@@rijantamang8637 Messi and CR went on to win it the next two years what do you mean? Lol Also your view is very skewed mate, before it was much more difficult to put up ridiculous stats like it is today even average players like Kane put up crazy numbers. Before players had to deal with the likes of Maldini, Nesta, Cannavaro, Cafu, Vieira, Keane, etc even the keepers this past era were all time greats on Khan, Buffon, Casillas, Cech, etc. the previous generation really had it more difficult compared to what it is today
As a a Ronaldinho enjoyer, he is my favourite Football player ever. As a Chelsea fan I love Eden. As a Football fan I can admit that Neymar is 1 level above both.
Messi my favourite of all time then Ronaldinho but everything else u said 100% agree.
Ronaldinho 3 levels above hazard, neymar 1 level above dinho
but how? dinho is so clear of neymar it aint even a discussion
No prime dinho is better than prime neymar. Yes neymar has been on top of his game for longer but at their peaks dinho was clear. Neymar has never reached the level of 2005-2007 dinho. He was unplayable. Even real fans gave him a standing ovation cuz he destroyed them while smiling and dancing on the pitch. AT THE BERNEBEU
@@hazz2620 2007 dihno was so poor. dihnos best season isnt better than neymars 3rd best season the guy only got 48 g/a and neymar does all the tricks and the flicks with way more goals and assists
Prime Ribery over Hazard, Hazard had whole seasons where he would disappear, so much so it would usually get the manager there sacked at the time (it's chelsea but still). Ribery was class, CL winner where he was key, and I think Hazard's drop off in the last 3-4 years has knocked him down. Obviously an unreal dribbler but Ribery even at 35-36 was creating chances against RM in CL quarters and semis.
If it is prime against prime, like you said, you would factor out the seasons that Hazard ghosted and factor in the seasons he shined in. Prime hazard vs prime robben is easily prime hazard he was just different gravy.
@@blynko742 Prime Ribéry was a more consistent player than Prime Hazard. Ribéry also had greater longevity than Hazard, Hazard’s greatest strengths were his dribbling ability and clutch moments in the prem, giving Chelsea like 10 1-0 Ws to win the league. On a CL level, he never reached the levels that Ribéry, Robben, Neymar reached.
Ribery had better career, but Hazard had better peak
Ribery was averaging 10-12 goals a season in a shit league and with a way better team in his prime
And how do you knock down a player due to injury woes but that logic don’t run for R9 or Ribery himself who used to get injured a lot
@@deekafs1926 I don’t knock him due to injury woes, even before his injury he was not performing that well at Real. Have we seen a sharper decline from a world superstar in his prime the season after he makes a big move? Not many, Hazard in his prime I could see being equal to Ribéry, but not better and certainly not more consistent. Hazard also rarely broke the goals numbers you just mentioned in the prem, he had 2-3 outstanding season there and the rest he was inconsistent. Ribery’s injuries always came at crucial times so I agree with you there, but again I don’t think his drop off was as dramatic
i wanna take a moment to appreciate the beards of this table
One episode could be the “GOAT team” eg Spain 2008-12, Milan 07, peps Barca, zizou France
That would be very interesting
nice one.
but the problem is can u find 16 goat teams? i think there's only handful.
@@abdulrahmanalghamdi2307 I think they could make a list of 16 teams, not all of them necessarily having a chance of being the best. Maybe 4 or 5 teams who realistically have a chance of winning. Similar to this video with the likes of Sterling, son and Pedro.
Barca are going to win that’s boring
As someone that watched both Ribery and Hazard…… Ribery should have been picked. Ribery was better
He wasn’t. He had a better career but hazard was the much better player
Hazard would have to win the UCL to come close to the Ballon D’or. Faysal needs to remember that
Gareth bales first trophyless season when leaving spurs for Real was the season when he came back to to spurs on loan, Iconic Spurs 😂😂😂
Hazard put up Meady numbers at Lille? He hold record for most assist in a year for club which is 30 and his last season he had 22 goals 22 assist and we don’t even have to say eye test because we know it’s crazy
Prime ribery over hazard any day of the week. Ribery was more direct, two footed, better long shot, crossing with both feet. Ribery had that 1v1 dribble and pace not far off what hazard was doing. But to me ribery was better at almost everything else.
Feel like saying Ronaldinho only had 2 really good seasons Is kinda disrespectful. I've seen Ronaldinho and he was pretty much a world class player from 1999 until around 2006. 2004-2006 Dinho was unbelievable. Also feel like Ribery is really close if not on par with Hazard. Finally, just wanna say I am happy that Robben got some love, dude was a beast.
dihno was world class from 2003-2006
Cant wait to see the GOAT Coach bracket
Alex Fergie wins for sure.
I can definitely help with the lengest baller playlist 😂
Who’s the longest then?
People also forget Hazard at the 2018 world cup and how good he was. It took a combination of pavard and kante with pogba galloping on his heels to stop him. Belgium vs france was basically the final and hazard was the biggest threat to france all tournament. Also more context, of this generation hazard has the most motm performances behind messi and ronaldo. And thats coming out of the prem. He’s not a stat man and unfortunately not a lot of ppl are watching chelsea week in and week out. But those who did truly know just how much of an influence he was minus tehe goal or assist. I back Faysal’s dinho-hazard take as ludicrous as it may seem
Holy L
Exactly. Hazards world cup performance was elite. Best player of the tournament. Beligum were the better team in that match against France they were really unlucky to not get to the final.
Might be a shout to include at least one older Don maybe someone in the mid 30s who atleast watched half of the 90s when you’re doing these GOAT videos. Just so they can give their perspective on what they seen from a Beckham or R9
They only look at stats, football wasn’t only stats in the 90’s, they better add a 30+ for the ball knowledge
@@prinswillemmusic7117 it’s crazy cause let’s be real they’re not really educated on half of the players on the list. If we are being truthful, they only truly know about players who peaked from 2008 onwards.
No alexis Sanchez in here but you’ve got sterling and pedro? 🤣
24:57 that absolutely killed me lmao😭😭😭😭
the amount of horrible takes in this episode alone has left me in shock 🤦🏻♂️😂
Sharky should join espn I’ve never seen him praise Ronaldo always praising messi.
‘Mohamad salah ya basha’ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Where’s sugar Shaun … we need him back mahn
Finally Neymar getting the respect he deserves ❤
He doesn’t deserve it he’s not even a top 5 Brazilian
@@CJVP99 you responded five months later, you def don’t watch football 😂😂😂
personally think you guys should find a way to incorporate a best loser to go thru as well, some people lose way too early.
compare the best loser to who went thru and swap one out for the best loser if they're better
Nah the fun of it is seeing people advance far who shouldn’t be that far. They might as well seed it otherwise
Hazard’s last Chelsea season was 18/19.
That comment about bales best season being Neymar’s average season was so crazy I gotta leave ✌️
Elite vid, ilyas ball knowledge is horror tho
G I will find u, ily the goat 🐐
You need to do more drafts they are by far the most fun thing to watch
Robben vs Mahrez shouldn't be a debate, Robben is so clear of Mahrez it isn't even funny.
And I'm also Neymar over Ronaldinho, i was 9 years old during Ronaldinho's peak in 2005, so i guess you can make the argument that i didn't watch more of him, but still, Neymar is just a different player, i know a lot of people hate him but even they can't deny how good he is
Unbelievable we all forget about how hazard was destroying Ligue1
Gareth Bale was not even close to Neymar's Barcelona numbers. Bale had 41GAa t the most. Neymar had over 50 few times
Sharky’s takes are just getting worse each week 😢
You haven’t watched the video yet 😭
You havent even watched the vid💀
Shuush the video came out 2 mins ago
Hehehehehe Siu.
Starplayer is tripping if he thinks the gap between Neymar and any other winger is bigger than the gap between him and ronaldo. Ronaldo is astronomically clear of Neymar. Hazard and robben are much closer to Neymar and have had better seasons than Neymar in their career. Not one Neymar season had been better than a Ronaldo one
Faysal's riding was insane
Not including Rivaldo in the list is criminal
rivaldo was more an attacking midfielder/ second striker. He wasn't included in the top strikers video, but maybe because he is more famous for the 90s than the 2000s (in this list, i would rate him second just slightly behind ronaldinho)
He was at best in late 90s and won Ballon d or in 1999, so doesnt make list
@@footballchannel8430 Ronaldinho wasn’t really a winger either
Big up Faysal for stepping up and defending Hazard
Wrongly
For me Dinho is most loved for his skills and it's the same reason Neymar is most hated for🙂
Hold on, so a couple of them agreed that Ronaldo is closer to Neymar than he is to Messi, and then heavily debated that Salah was close to Neymar??? Which means they think Salah is close to Ronaldo lol, surely not. I know they said at the beginning that CR7 wouldn't be a part to it because he is clear, but they've contradicted themselves
maybe I interpreted wrong, but Im pretty sure that's how the conversation went
Nah you’re right, they’re just deluded
I think Bale might have been considered better than Neymar, if things did not go wrong the way it did at Madrid.
I agree but things went wrong
@@momotheone9700 I’m not denying that, I do think Neymar turned out to be a better player than Bale.
No way....Bale better than Neymar...it not Marathon or Track and field
@@ashubrandon9738 you don’t know ball
Oh hell no😂
Not an older gen, but Beckham and Ronaldinho are my two all-time favorite players. Beckham if he played today would just be Trent Alexander-Arnold, but probably with a higher defensive workrate. He would definitely be a right back though.
Y'all must do a ranking or bracket of the best teams of all time
Example- Barca 10/11 vs Real 16/17
Love the work u guys do
Keep it up
anything to do with history this pod should have a day off.. Goat wingers and players like mahrez and Salah make the list??
I agree with faysal’s neymar take. If he wins the world cup he will become the Brazilian goat
Di Maria should’ve beaten Hazard imo
Naaah
Salah is clear of neymar - Neymar is talent that never was never actually lived up to what he was supposed to be because of his bad attitude
The disrespect to Giggs and Robben in the 1st round. Only among these lot who read too much football twitter would playing long into their 30s be seen as a negative
Hazard has never finished top3 balon dor how can he say without Messi or cr, he'd have won one 😭. Faysal lost it with that one
ballon d'ors not all about finishing top 3 or being just behind the winner, there's a lot of factors going into the ballon d'or excluding football too
You have to think, without those two real and Barca wouldn’t win like they did it would impact everything, butterfly effect ting
@@FranciscoSilva-xk4hg exactly, it’s not as linear as this guys making it out to be
@@asianwarrior2193 Even then Hazard still wouldn't win it, he was nowhere near the best player any year of his career.
@@kingkong-oq8co ye true
“Neymar is closer to CR7 than CR7 is closer to the GOAT MESSI “
Sharky Speaking Facts
That's so wrong and ignorant on so many levels 😂
This just let's me know you've been only been watching football no more than 7 years.
@@mebarkiimad8999 its not Suarez is closer to Ronaldo,, Cruiyff is probably a better player than ronaldo
Nah , you can say Messi is the GOAT, but to basically say there isn’t a dicuss is MAD. They’re top 2 and it’s SO CLEAR between them and the rest.
@@gunnerrose8211 it’s not I can I could blah blah blah… It is .
Messi is the GOAT . Messi is the most complete player..
The David Beckham commentary on this one hurt to listen to. His celebrity has undermined his career. Everything said about ribery, Beckham accomplished. In 1999, David Beckham was the best player and lead comebacks in champions leagues and cups in biggest games on way to a treble and got robbed of a balon d’or by rivaldo. Beckham I’m the champions league, league, and international stage was top 3 in his position for better part of 12 years. Ribery could effect a game in a lot of ways but beckhams running, technique, vision, and leadership made him a staple in several of the best squads the game has ever seen
Star player lives in 2016 thinking Ronaldo is better than Messi😭