Pricing is redonkulous mate. Aorus Master $999 (USD +GST should be $800), Strix 870E-E $1049 (should be $800). Just need to wait for the Intel boards to come out and see what happens then. Also the first release will be airfrieghted so additional cost. Or just buy from O/S.
I'm curious on the MEG X870-E Godlike Motherboard. its prolly gonna be more like 1699 AUD or something for a Overkill motherboard, with alot of connectivity. Like USB's, USBC and 2x Ethernet Connector. But thats how the Crosshair suppose to have, with that much ports on USB and USBC Type connector (while still retaining the 2x Ethernet Ports)
Aus here too and recoiling at the prices I'm seeing on PCCG and Scorptec a bit especially coming from an x570 Hero. I like the Tomahawk and while it's so much cheaper $600+ is still a decent chunk of change and I hate the green on it. I'm thinking of just sucking it up and grabbing the Carbon if I'm already spending that sort of cash. Sure it's overkill for a 7800x3d but when I'm making any expensive purchase I'll often spend more if it means getting something I'm 100% satisfied with rather than having any regrets.
The MSI Tomahawk for me is what brought me here. I have always been a fan of MSI boards and I'm finally ready to jump on the AM5 platform. The X870 ticks all the boxes for me. I'm waiting for the 9800x3D to release before I make my build so maybe by then the b850 boards will be out. Either way, MSI Tomahawk boards have always been my go to.
They’re quite versatile, aren’t they? Personally, I find MSI boards to be rather friendly with alternative operating systems like Linux Mint or Ubuntu - even with the new chipsets now.
Pricing: No. They can keep every bit of it. All of it. I will keep my current system until it fails, attempt to find used parts to regenerate it or give up. It's time to find other things to do. Mini-ITX motherboards at $300 - $400.00 USD and over? No. No. And NO. And who wants all this craptastic billboard lighting, at a maker's insistence, not the consumer preference? It's passive advertising at the cost polluting your eye-space on their behalf.
Once again it's time for me to find a new motherboard and I won't make a decision until I've read and heard your position Tom. Exquisite work as always my dude, my first ever build was a 2500k with the NH D14 and a very basic Asus P mobo and it lasted me over 8 years, those choices were made from the backend of your hard work. Based on what I'm after (usb ports and some faster ethernet for internal networking) the MSI boards will suit me the best. Thanks again for the all the years of effort, love your work!
8:00 I almost always get 80GB/s here in Japan. My line speed is 10G, my ISP is 10G, my motherboard has 10G (an older TaiChi), cheap routers and switches in my house are almost all 10G. I can DL and install a 100GB game off Steam in about a minute or so. A 10 or 20G 4K movie file comes down in less than a minute most of the time - and so on. Internet browsing I don't really notice much difference. Backups to NAS or drive image transfers to other machines on the LAN take minutes instead of hours. You're operating in the dark ages bro. It may not be your fault though. Japan has implemented the infrastructure support and a lot of the US, most of the UK and almost all of Australia has not - shame on them!
I'm moving to Japan ;-) 10Gbps broadband!?!? Man, I live in a capital of a EU country and barely have 1Gbps :( How about broadband uplink? (I have only 100Mbps.... :((((( )
@@morgwai667 My current plan is about $40 a month given the current exchange rate and that plan has me at 1G uplink but there was an option which allow me to spend another $8 giving me 5G up. There was a "business plan" that cost about $100 (slightly less) that gave the full 10G/10G. This $40 plan I'm on also includes a good router with WiFi6, a telephone number (land-line), and some storage space for a website that I've never used - I think it's 250GB but I dunno for sure - just going from memory. I think there is also an E-Mail system that's available too but I haven't used that yet either. I contracted for this plan almost 4 years ago now and haven't looked at the newer options. This is what was available 4 years ago - but I'm pretty sure the specs have increased and not diminished. There were better deals in Tokyo with different providers. I'm in the outskirts of Nagoya City (4th largest city in Japan). ISPs in Japan are more like what was happening in the USA in the 90's where there are many small providers operating and competing with the larger companies. The cost of living in Japan is quite low though too. I pay $325/mo for a 4 room apartment (2LDK) with a LARGE shopping mall just a 15min walk away and a subway terminal a 5min. walk in the opposite direction. And the building is pretty new - all apartments are remodeled with every new tenant. Downtown Nagoya in the middle of the scene one might pay between $1,000 and $1,500/mo for something similar. Food is like that too; low compared to the USA - maybe half on average.
@@morgwai667 South Korea might be even better. That neck of the woods has been sprinting into the distance for 10-20 years now. It makes you want to scream!
I just started (within the past week) looking at AM5 boards and most mobo review videos are leading me to the Tomahawk. With a current price of $299 (pre black Friday), this will be the board I am choosing. Great review and great video!
Now having finished the video, I would like my 🥧 Very disappointed with the pricing based on the performance differences. Tomahawk - $639 AUD (330 pounds) Hero - $1299 AUD (672 pounds) More than double the cost for what? Asus seem complacent knowing people prefer their boards aesthetic I think, but after all the warranty stuff I've been looking to jump ship and there's no reason for me not to now. The Tomahawk performance is great for the price but honestly just looks awful in my eyes. Bright yellow is such an insane colour to use as a highlight colour and the Carbon has that bloody dragon on it which also looks silly to me. Will have to have a proper think about what to go with, but once again, thanks for the video and quick upload of course.
@@WayStedYou yeah it's just not worth it, especially given their warranty issues. I'm leaning towards the carbon at this stage. Also tossing up waiting for 9800x3d to come out instead of getting the 7800x3d, too many decisions
There is no reason to upgrade unless you like burning money. What is the point for majority of us gamers we are happy with what we have, it is the graphic cards we all want to be cut in half for price. The benefit of these coming out is that the 670 and 790 series boards prices will come down.
I've only used MSI boards since 2021 (B550 Carbon, B550i Edge itx, B650i Edge itx), and I've had zero issues with any of them. The bios flash does seem to favor old slow usb sticks for whatever reason (at least on B550), but once I figured that out, it's been smooth sailing.
Been very excited for this, thanks for the video! :) Just checked the links to the written reviews, I'm assuming they're not live yet because I'm just too early lol
Honestly with what’s been happening with the 7800X3D I’m really on the debate of waiting for the 9800X3D or get the 9800 X but I am getting the carbon wifi tho cuz that thing is dope
"18+2+2 phase" is Asus VRM speak for 9core+1soc+1misc phases. £10 says its an ASP2205 made by Infineon (nee international rectifier) but badged "ASP" for Asus. Edit: also 110Amp is a bit of a misnomer, they'll glow like a lightbulb at that point, the difference between 60A and "110A" is very little when actually populated on a board.
@@JaiMcMahon This is gonna look like an essay but don't worry, knowledge is power. VRM= voltage regulation on a motherboard, Typically more "phases" leads to cleaner power delivery. For the last few years VERY high end motherboards have had say 14 *phases* ish (its not just a phase mom!) Each phase would have 1 power "stage". However more recently motherboard makers have been having less phases and just having 2 stages on each (1phase=2 stage) because its cheaper. Before... 14 phases= 14 stages Now.... 8 phases= 16 stages It's more common on cheaper boards but Asus did it ALLOT even on their higher boards for the last few years. Some Asus boards would be triple teamed with 4phases= 12 stages. If I'm paying £400 for a super high motherboard I'd prefer more phases, but it seems Asus and MSI and Gigabyte are all doing it now, even the prior generation X670 boards did it. My Gigabyte X570s aorus master: 14 phases=14 stages New Gigabyte X870e Aorus master: 8phases=16 stages The overall power capability is very similar and because high phase controllers are expensive its cheaper for the brands to make. A company called *International Rectifier* used to make various VRM controllers like the 8 phase IR35201. But when Asus put them on their board they would have a name change to became the "ASP1405". Its fine, IR does the name change for Asus who pay a bit extra. Internetional Rectumfryer got bought by *Infineon* a few years back. So I'm guessing this motherboard (and others) has an Infineon 8-phase, which has 2 stages on each for.... "16 stages". Over 20 years doing PC's: Asus, Gigabyte, MSI all have good boards and bad boards. Sometimes a cheap board is great value, sometimes you get what you pay for. One year a brand will just make rubbish across the board.... the next year their lineup is fantastic. It's variable so read reviews like at OC3D. Don't buy biostar or asrock, I've *never* come across a good one (just because someone says they had no problems, that doesn't make it good).
@@tomstech4390right, I haven’t been in the pc game in years, I’ve got an 8th gen i7 + a maximus formula z390 from 2018. Might be switching to AMD this year and now don’t know what motherboard is solid and what brand to go for. I didn’t know that AMD has since taken over intel as the best for gaming performance for the price and I wasn’t aware of the large changes in the CPU and GPU game. What boards would you recommend for AM5 and potentially the 9000 series? I want a good board that will last and that I can drop a new AM5 cpu in 2026/2027 and it’ll still be future proofed.
@@tomstech4390also completely forgot to say thank you for the explanation bro! Saved me hours and dollars, had no idea what’s happened with PCs since i built mine in 2018
Smart thing to do anyway. We're pretty close to 16-core CCD which means 16-core x800X3D and 32-core x950X, and you'll probably get to skip DDR5 completely by waiting for it. Not like anything is stressing out a 5800X3D yet
before you jump in to a x870 I would wait at least 6m I bought my X670E MSI MEG Ace sept 2022 I could not use it for more than a year because of the BIOS state it FROZE the bios froze >< AND it retained only half of the settings you changed at random AND took ages to boot because of the DDR5 AND pbo didn't work at al AND AND AND AND completely unuseable so I shelved it for 2 years until my 13900k died and I tried it again 18 bios later same mb same cpu it's awesome now (msi is at it's 25th bios for this MB) and I would totally recommend it, main reason it doesn't share m.2 bandwith with sata or pcie DO NOT BUY motherboards that say if M.2 populated your pcie 1 goes to x8 because the multiplier is the only relevant value ! you get half the bandwith of your gpu actual pcie gen for example x8 pcie4 on a rtx4090 or x8 pcie3 on a gtx1080, this matters if you have a high end card and play 4K 100+fps or extreme fps 1080-1440p like 300-400, you can test it yourself using 3dmark pcie bandwith test that will tell you x8 is bad I made the mistake to buy a shared M2_1-PCIE1 bandwith asus motherboard don't fall for the same trap
Bro can't type a regular sentence, and expects to correctly configure bios settings 💀 Ok, this is a joke. The idea is that you really need to format your sentences ina way for other people to read it.
@@fredEVOIX yeah that's unlikely to be an issue. it's also the reason þits generally not good to immediately hop on a new platform in the first generation. the companies needed time to iron out the hardware and driver issues with AM5, and now that its been out an entire generation, there aren't anywhere near the same magnitude of issues. reviewers are also testing the boards specifically to see if those type of things remain. Hardware Unboxed already tested the boot times as well as what kind of memory speeds are actually achievable. and it looks like most X870 boards can hit around 8000Mhz and be stable. That being said, whether its actually worth the money to go buy RAM that expensive for AM5 is questionable. with AM5 and especially with X3D chips you dont really benefit from the faster clock speed due to the fact you can't increase the infinity fabric proportionally with the memory speeds. it won't really be worth it until AMD puts a better memory controller and IO die on Zen CPUs. Maybe with Zen 6, who knows.
It sucks they're so damn Expensive. No released pricing where I am (New Zealand) but I doubt there will be a single X870 under NZ$700, and I imagine the B850 ones will Start at $500 :( - X570 started at NZ$400, and B550 started out at like NZ$190
Everything is telling me the Carbon is the one (after years of always choosing Strix). Good rear USB for VR; looks nice; all the building convenience features. And I've already been online reading manuals and MSI's manual is very well laid out, which helps with understanding PCI lane tradeoffs and what I/O is wired through which chipset or directly to the CPU.
I've just watched like 5 video reviews of these x870(e) motherboards and this was the only one that didn't spend like 70% of time on listing specs from websites or on showing how easily radiators could be removed ;-] Given that as it was stated, the time for testing was limited, it's really a great video! Now given that Tomahawk is priced ~350EUR the winner here is clear. Nevertheless I definitely miss some ASRock models in this picture...
Would you test DDR5-8000 support on the X870E Hero and/or Strix-E boards? Can it at least pass 30 minutes of y-cruncher VT3? I’m wondering how effective their NitroPath technology is.
@@OC3D Yes, the perf difference is marginal, but dual CCD CPUs can benefit from the additional bandwidth in memory-bound production workload, and you can now synchronize the FCLK & the UCLK to reduce latency and lower idle power consumption with a low VSOC. If the X870E Hero does support it, it will be a selling point at least.
@@PowellCat745 All of them can do 8000 if running 2 DIMMs. What will really be interesting to see is if Nitropath helps with allowing 4 DIMM configurations to run at higher speeds. I'll be testing this soon.
@@PowellCat745 They've been stable on most boards since AGESA 1007c last year. I've been running 48gb at 8000 since early this year on an ASRock X670E Steel Legend.
There's no compelling reason for the vast majority of AM5 builders to buy an X870 motherboard at all. Almost everybody can buy a B650 or B650E, install the latest BIOS, and never lose out on performance.
so u need a better internet?and is good to know about DAC and Nahimic suport?and the testing is in 7.1 audio sistems enabled?all the testing is made with MSI /ASUS /GIGABYTE keyboard and mouse?the setup and testing vs OEM branding/sistems
We are paying big money for these brands the minimum should be a bulletproof customers services instead of them just trying to cashing in like predators !Nice video.
That MSI Carbon Wifi is a very nice-looking motherboard, my friend has the X670E version and can't say anything but good things it's a rock-solid motherboard. But The X870E Carbon Wifi is $919 Australian vs the X670E for $599 Australian doesn't really seem worth getting the X870E over the X670E considering their the same chipset.
@@Excalabur50 in our country lot of the sellers uses American tactics when they release new motherboards hiding the previous ones for 4 6 months to sell the latest ones during its the wave 🌊 of hype 🫤🫤🫤
Strange what you said about having a 1gig internet package but only getting around 945 meg download. That is the maximum thru-put you would get if you had a 1 gig ethernet port somewhere in the loop. I had this issue with my Virgin 1 gig package going to my 2.5 gig port on the motherboard. I was only getting 945 meg due to the fact that the port on the Virgin router was only 1 gig! I had them send me a new router that had a 2.5 gig port and hey presto!!! I now get around 1140 meg download and 104 meg upload 😃. Did you say you get 945 up AND down? I didn't realise that the symmetrical package was available yet.
No Asrock; no sale*. I nearly fell out of my chair @ the Hero non-recommend. That case at the angle you've got it at is messing with my vision! 🙂 You should have left "evil playing-field" uncorrected. LOL!!! Bakewell Tart I'm familiar with; Mrs Beeton did Bakewell Pudding; WTF is a Bakewell Pie? 🙄 Isle of White? Isle of Gone to the Dogs more like. 😁 Appreciate that rundown about the chipset drivers; it isn't just the cheeky gurning that keeps me here, honest! If you were a mobo, you'd be the one I bought. Overall the best feature set and bang for buck on the platform. 👌😉 * I might take a punt on the X870E AORUS PRO ICE though; only caveat the feature set is knocked down v the MASTER. IF the price differential isn't good enough, I'll NOT be bothering even with that. I want a white board with the SAME features as the non-white SKU or go away!
hmm: i think I've just spotted an error: in the video we can see a box for x870 Elite, while in the benchmarks x870e Elite is listed: which one is correct? while the name is very similar, from what I heard the quality of these 2 are completely separate classes: x870e Elite is allegedly not much worse than Master, while x870 Elite is more like GamingX...
Outside of *some* motherboards potentially having better memory tracing to the socket (where the IO die is) there shouldn't be any difference, *some* VRM's might be bigger OR more efficient. But the chipset at the end of the day is just way for the CPU to get additional PCIE and USB ports with X870 still using the same promontory 21 chip natively supports USB4, that is the major change. If you want a cheaper board and don't care about USB4 then B650/X670 is still available but the newer boards also give the board partners a chance to experiment with new PCIE latching techniques, IO covers and other styling changes.
The rear IO on the MSI Carbon does look really nice. The X670E version was about £200 cheaper then the ROG Hero so if it is the same this generation looks like a great choice with Tom thinking the MSI Bios is better.
I'm a really odd duck it seems. I'm leaning either towards the ASRock X870E Taichi....or the MSI X870E Godlike. And yes, I would be getting the Godlike because it just looks SEXY!!!
5:45 an OLED for that kinda money really crosshair hero is listed at an absurd $1299 AUD strix E is $1059 the gigabyte master is $999 and the elite wifi 7 is $569 Tomahawk is $639 and carbon is $919
I have always been a fan of Gigabyte motherboards but X670-X870 their slacking of on the quality as they lowered their PCB's to 6 layer from 8 layer on their higher end boards.6-Layer is mid loss signal for Memory, CPU and GPU where the 8-Layer gives you Low loss. Even their high end X870E AORUS PRO ICE only has 6-Layer PCB but at least they finally have a post code.
Depends on timings (not just primary's like 30-36-36, sorry). DDR5-6000 and DDR5-8000 will switch places depending on if the program is bandwidth bound and its easy to get a ddr5-6000 kit to perform better just by comparing it against a 8000mhz kit with super lazy timings. The chance for a reviewer (like the techpowerup article I'm betting you looked at) to take *every single kit* on test... and then dial down *every single timing* as low as it can go... and only *then* compare them, is pretty much zero. Best we get is whatever XMP/EXPO profiles are baked into the chips by default but in an effort of the ram kit maker to reduce RMA's from people who didn't have a memory controller up to running them that fast faster kits tend to have very loose timings which end up performing like generic cheap-ish slower kits. So I wouldn't worry about it and just focus on getting a non crap kit (no 4800mhz) that's likely to work, and 6000-6400 just happens to be relatively cheap and most likely to work, then you need to personally take the time to dial in your timings for best performance.
@@TheDaveyd29 Forgive this babbling that follow. I'm still wrapping my head around it as I haven't had an AM5 chip yet, but I think for the most part it's core2 duo all over again... Core2 at 1:1 = so 400mhz FSB _ 400mhz memory (DDR2-800) Core2 at 2:1 = so 333mhz FSB _ 666mhz memory (DDR3-1333) AM4 at 1:1:1 = 1800Fclk _ 1800mhz Uclk _ 1800mhz memory (DDR4-3600) AM5 at 1.5:1:1 = 2000Fclk _ 3000mhz Uclk _ 3000mhz memory (DDR5-6000) AM5 at 1:1:2 = 2000Fclk _ 2000mhz Uclk _ 4000mhz memory (DDR5-8000) With AM5 you can have your Mclk tied to your Uclk 1:1 (but Uclk at 3000 is +50% than IF) OR your Mclk is 2x your Uclk (which is dropped down to 2000MT equal to Fclk). Questions I still have yet to answer. 1) is it worth dropping Uclk down ~33% to Fclk speeds... in an effort to get 8000mhz RAM? 2) is it better to run Uclk at 3000 1:1 with Mclk and run DDR5-6000 (or 3200 DDR5-6400) 3) if the IF is running 2133mhz and not 2000mhz what then? (also I suspect 2133mhz to be a reason some reviewers had really strange Zen5 performance while others running 2000mhz had better results, those running 2000mhz said so, those hating zen5 didn't say.... so probably 2133mhz default). I'm so sorry! The only consistent thing is "faster clocks and lower latency is better" which is always a tradeoff.
18:29 you conclude the ASUS is faster because the average is slightly higher, but likely it falls within the margin of error. It would be good to indicate the standard deviation around the mean, and if you really want to make a conclusion then use a student's t-test (assuming a normal distribution)
Interesting how it was Shitsus RoGarbage boards were the ones who blew up highest number of X3D chips.
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For what I can see these companies are oversizing VRM's to justify their pricing. Another thing that I cannot understand is the lack of expandability in all X870(E) boards. The only ones that splits the PCI gen 5 from CPU (from 1 x16 to 2 x8) are the most expensive boards (>600USD). The other boards take PCI lanes from the chipset which is limited to PCI gen 4 X 4. This basically excludes the possibility of having dual GPUs in the system. I know that today dual GPU is not a thing for gaming, but it could change in one or two GPU generations. I don't know how challenging would be to split the gen 5 1x16 lanes into 2x8 lanes from the CPU, but I guess that it should not be something limited to the very high end motherboards.
Its getting to the point you have to make 100k a year to afford pc parts. The price creep isnt even creeping anymore. Its full on price-race, seems like the most adopted industry specs have became how much price tag they can slap on a component. I cant wait to see the nvidia 5060 at around $6-700
10:10 I don't know Tom, I just got the X870 MAG, moving to AMD finally and holy sh.... it seems to be training memory on every restart taking like 5-10min to boot basically, official website has 2 bioses - both are BETA... when setting PCI-E config to 8x-4x-4x ... it will freeze on boot - won't boot my optane drive in last slot - can't put it anywhere else because of my 4080, so I have to do Auto config and my GPU runs at 4x, PBO settings don't seem to work, the CPU just won't pull more than 85W no matter what I config....like this is hot garbage, I don't get why nobody talks about this, I watched multiple reviews, I'm so pissed off. Oh and my R23 multi score is like 17400... that's also trash (7800X3D).
Ryzen 9000 are similar price as 7000 in Argentina but... Mobos has 200 or more dollars. Yet I don't know why prices go Up when consume is going down 😂 Thank T!
Seems like at ASUS they have collective brain damage with their past years and current pricing. Up until now, I have been a ASUS fanboy for the MOBO and GPU, but that is over. MSI Carbon looks mighty good with honest pricing.
Great roundup. Amazon are selling the Hero for 683 euro and the Strix for 633 euro. The Hero manual is up on the Asus site. The Strix only has the quick start manual for now. Was comparing the m2 specs in the manual for the x670e hero against the x870e version and looks like the x670e has more usable M2's. According to the Asus manual, on x670e - you can populate M2_1, M2_2 (lanes from CPU) and M2_3 and M2_4 (lanes from chipset) GPU still runs at 16X. Lane sharing only occurs if you populate the 2nd PCI-E slot with the M2 add in card, which drops the GPU to 8X. So you can run 4 M2's (2 from cpu and 2 from chipset) with 16X GPU. The USB 4.0 ports on the x670e must be taking lanes from the chipset so you have 20 lanes for GPU and M2 from the CPU. On x870e you have more M2 slots. You can populate M2_1, M2_2, and M2_3 (lanes taken from CPU) and M2_4 and M2_5 (lanes from chipset) However by populating M2_3 it drops GPU to 8x but also disables M2_2 completely!!. So looks like you can run 3 M2's (1 from cpu, 2 chipset) with 16X GPU. The USB 4.0 is taking lanes from the CPU so this limits you to only 20 lanes for GPU and M2 from the CPU.
I would agree, but the Hero does provide overclockers with extra features such as asychronous eclk, which then offers 2 b-clks allowing oc'ing only the cpu and not affecting the other components. But if you don't need that, there are much better offerings such as the Carbon and TaiChi, especially for those prices!
I hate these big logos and writings and bling-bling lights on mainboards, and wish for more elegant and mature, plain designs. If i wanted anything to light up in my case, i'd add it separately - but these times for me are over.
Asus ROG STRIX X870-F GAMING WIFI is $899 AUD. They can keep it. Surely it's going to have some teething problems as well. No Thanks. PASS. That means the Hero will be probably $1300. They can keep that one too.. I can buy a 150cc scooter for that much.
When a Tomahawk FINALLY comes with a post code LED... It has an absolutely OBNOXIOUS accent color everywhere. 🤮 Well, I was ready to move away from MSI anyway. Where are the AsRock boards?
@@Dr.WhetFarts And "an absolutely OBNOXIOUS accent color everywhere." It wouldn't bother me, touch-up paint to the rescue even if it did, but it bothers this chap. We don't all have the same aesthetic values.
The price isn't important. You are paying for something that is an investment to everyday life. Plus these boards allow you to upgrade the CPU in 3-5 years. With Intel you can't do that..... you're stuck with the same cpu and motherbaord and when a new generation comes out you need cpu and motherboard again. I would never dream about trying to save money on a computer part. Ill do that with food or going out
@@Ladioz what areyou talking about? save money? 900+ dollars for a motherboard? I AM a owner of a Asus hero from older generations AM4, but this is too much.
@@OC3D they can each show different things? Wat matters most is what is used tho(which could mean ur viewership/market, who may b the lowered resolved* ) ? More data the better? 4k can b pretty uneventful? .3 or .4 fps or percent differences being substantial? Or even .1 ?! A referral to more-specific computational operations involving resolution differences in performance showing/elucidating how 1080p is better besides that it shows larger percentage differences may b helpful? Ty for everything! Time, effort, patience, benchmarks...
$1299 for the Hero here in Australia vs $639 for the Tomahawk, you'd have to have rocks in your head to buy the Hero, Excellent work again Guv!
Pricing is redonkulous mate. Aorus Master $999 (USD +GST should be $800), Strix 870E-E $1049 (should be $800). Just need to wait for the Intel boards to come out and see what happens then. Also the first release will be airfrieghted so additional cost.
Or just buy from O/S.
@@MonstaAU bizzare choice they even asked for air freighted x870 boards when the sales numbers aren't there anyway
I'm curious on the MEG X870-E Godlike Motherboard. its prolly gonna be more like 1699 AUD or something for a Overkill motherboard, with alot of connectivity. Like USB's, USBC and 2x Ethernet Connector.
But thats how the Crosshair suppose to have, with that much ports on USB and USBC Type connector (while still retaining the 2x Ethernet Ports)
@@EruKaze I think it'll be WAY more than $1699 considering the X670E Godlike is $2200
Aus here too and recoiling at the prices I'm seeing on PCCG and Scorptec a bit especially coming from an x570 Hero. I like the Tomahawk and while it's so much cheaper $600+ is still a decent chunk of change and I hate the green on it. I'm thinking of just sucking it up and grabbing the Carbon if I'm already spending that sort of cash. Sure it's overkill for a 7800x3d but when I'm making any expensive purchase I'll often spend more if it means getting something I'm 100% satisfied with rather than having any regrets.
The MSI Tomahawk for me is what brought me here. I have always been a fan of MSI boards and I'm finally ready to jump on the AM5 platform. The X870 ticks all the boxes for me. I'm waiting for the 9800x3D to release before I make my build so maybe by then the b850 boards will be out. Either way, MSI Tomahawk boards have always been my go to.
They’re quite versatile, aren’t they? Personally, I find MSI boards to be rather friendly with alternative operating systems like Linux Mint or Ubuntu - even with the new chipsets now.
Pricing: No. They can keep every bit of it. All of it. I will keep my current system until it fails, attempt to find used parts to regenerate it or give up. It's time to find other things to do.
Mini-ITX motherboards at $300 - $400.00 USD and over? No. No. And NO.
And who wants all this craptastic billboard lighting, at a maker's insistence, not the consumer preference? It's passive advertising at the cost polluting your eye-space on their behalf.
Once again it's time for me to find a new motherboard and I won't make a decision until I've read and heard your position Tom. Exquisite work as always my dude, my first ever build was a 2500k with the NH D14 and a very basic Asus P mobo and it lasted me over 8 years, those choices were made from the backend of your hard work.
Based on what I'm after (usb ports and some faster ethernet for internal networking) the MSI boards will suit me the best.
Thanks again for the all the years of effort, love your work!
8:00 I almost always get 80GB/s here in Japan. My line speed is 10G, my ISP is 10G, my motherboard has 10G (an older TaiChi), cheap routers and switches in my house are almost all 10G. I can DL and install a 100GB game off Steam in about a minute or so. A 10 or 20G 4K movie file comes down in less than a minute most of the time - and so on. Internet browsing I don't really notice much difference. Backups to NAS or drive image transfers to other machines on the LAN take minutes instead of hours. You're operating in the dark ages bro. It may not be your fault though. Japan has implemented the infrastructure support and a lot of the US, most of the UK and almost all of Australia has not - shame on them!
I'm moving to Japan ;-) 10Gbps broadband!?!? Man, I live in a capital of a EU country and barely have 1Gbps :( How about broadband uplink? (I have only 100Mbps.... :((((( )
@@morgwai667 My current plan is about $40 a month given the current exchange rate and that plan has me at 1G uplink but there was an option which allow me to spend another $8 giving me 5G up. There was a "business plan" that cost about $100 (slightly less) that gave the full 10G/10G.
This $40 plan I'm on also includes a good router with WiFi6, a telephone number (land-line), and some storage space for a website that I've never used - I think it's 250GB but I dunno for sure - just going from memory. I think there is also an E-Mail system that's available too but I haven't used that yet either. I contracted for this plan almost 4 years ago now and haven't looked at the newer options. This is what was available 4 years ago - but I'm pretty sure the specs have increased and not diminished.
There were better deals in Tokyo with different providers. I'm in the outskirts of Nagoya City (4th largest city in Japan). ISPs in Japan are more like what was happening in the USA in the 90's where there are many small providers operating and competing with the larger companies.
The cost of living in Japan is quite low though too. I pay $325/mo for a 4 room apartment (2LDK) with a LARGE shopping mall just a 15min walk away and a subway terminal a 5min. walk in the opposite direction. And the building is pretty new - all apartments are remodeled with every new tenant. Downtown Nagoya in the middle of the scene one might pay between $1,000 and $1,500/mo for something similar. Food is like that too; low compared to the USA - maybe half on average.
@@morgwai667 South Korea might be even better. That neck of the woods has been sprinting into the distance for 10-20 years now. It makes you want to scream!
I have 2 pidgeons lol.
I just started (within the past week) looking at AM5 boards and most mobo review videos are leading me to the Tomahawk. With a current price of $299 (pre black Friday), this will be the board I am choosing. Great review and great video!
Wicked, they were up for sale on Aus retailers but given the price increase definitely wanted reviews first. Thanks TTL
Now having finished the video, I would like my 🥧
Very disappointed with the pricing based on the performance differences.
Tomahawk - $639 AUD (330 pounds)
Hero - $1299 AUD (672 pounds)
More than double the cost for what? Asus seem complacent knowing people prefer their boards aesthetic I think, but after all the warranty stuff I've been looking to jump ship and there's no reason for me not to now.
The Tomahawk performance is great for the price but honestly just looks awful in my eyes. Bright yellow is such an insane colour to use as a highlight colour and the Carbon has that bloody dragon on it which also looks silly to me.
Will have to have a proper think about what to go with, but once again, thanks for the video and quick upload of course.
@@worldwed The ASUS tax stacks with the AUS tax and their prices on everything is usually absurd here, the gigabyte master is 999 for example
@@WayStedYou yeah it's just not worth it, especially given their warranty issues. I'm leaning towards the carbon at this stage.
Also tossing up waiting for 9800x3d to come out instead of getting the 7800x3d, too many decisions
There is no reason to upgrade unless you like burning money. What is the point for majority of us gamers we are happy with what we have, it is the graphic cards we all want to be cut in half for price. The benefit of these coming out is that the 670 and 790 series boards prices will come down.
I've only used MSI boards since 2021 (B550 Carbon, B550i Edge itx, B650i Edge itx), and I've had zero issues with any of them. The bios flash does seem to favor old slow usb sticks for whatever reason (at least on B550), but once I figured that out, it's been smooth sailing.
Not surprised; it has always been said the slowest speed for your use case will give the least upset and best fidelity.
Been very excited for this, thanks for the video! :)
Just checked the links to the written reviews, I'm assuming they're not live yet because I'm just too early lol
They are all live now
@@OC3D Checking them all out :D
Keep it up Tom! As usual OC3D TV is first out with info about new hardware!
Honestly with what’s been happening with the 7800X3D I’m really on the debate of waiting for the 9800X3D or get the 9800 X but I am getting the carbon wifi tho cuz that thing is dope
"18+2+2 phase" is Asus VRM speak for 9core+1soc+1misc phases.
£10 says its an ASP2205 made by Infineon (nee international rectifier) but badged "ASP" for Asus.
Edit: also 110Amp is a bit of a misnomer, they'll glow like a lightbulb at that point, the difference between 60A and "110A" is very little when actually populated on a board.
you win !
Have no idea wtf you just said but I would assume that I shouldn’t go ahead and order an Asus motherboard.
@@JaiMcMahon This is gonna look like an essay but don't worry, knowledge is power.
VRM= voltage regulation on a motherboard, Typically more "phases" leads to cleaner power delivery.
For the last few years VERY high end motherboards have had say 14 *phases* ish
(its not just a phase mom!)
Each phase would have 1 power "stage".
However more recently motherboard makers have been having less phases and just having 2 stages on each (1phase=2 stage) because its cheaper.
Before... 14 phases= 14 stages
Now.... 8 phases= 16 stages
It's more common on cheaper boards but Asus did it ALLOT even on their higher boards for the last few years.
Some Asus boards would be triple teamed with 4phases= 12 stages.
If I'm paying £400 for a super high motherboard I'd prefer more phases, but it seems Asus and MSI and Gigabyte are all doing it now, even the prior generation X670 boards did it.
My Gigabyte X570s aorus master: 14 phases=14 stages
New Gigabyte X870e Aorus master: 8phases=16 stages
The overall power capability is very similar and because high phase controllers are expensive its cheaper for the brands to make.
A company called *International Rectifier* used to make various VRM controllers like the 8 phase IR35201.
But when Asus put them on their board they would have a name change to became the "ASP1405".
Its fine, IR does the name change for Asus who pay a bit extra.
Internetional Rectumfryer got bought by *Infineon* a few years back.
So I'm guessing this motherboard (and others) has an Infineon 8-phase, which has 2 stages on each for.... "16 stages".
Over 20 years doing PC's: Asus, Gigabyte, MSI all have good boards and bad boards.
Sometimes a cheap board is great value, sometimes you get what you pay for.
One year a brand will just make rubbish across the board.... the next year their lineup is fantastic.
It's variable so read reviews like at OC3D.
Don't buy biostar or asrock, I've *never* come across a good one (just because someone says they had no problems, that doesn't make it good).
@@tomstech4390right, I haven’t been in the pc game in years, I’ve got an 8th gen i7 + a maximus formula z390 from 2018.
Might be switching to AMD this year and now don’t know what motherboard is solid and what brand to go for.
I didn’t know that AMD has since taken over intel as the best for gaming performance for the price and I wasn’t aware of the large changes in the CPU and GPU game.
What boards would you recommend for AM5 and potentially the 9000 series? I want a good board that will last and that I can drop a new AM5 cpu in 2026/2027 and it’ll still be future proofed.
@@tomstech4390also completely forgot to say thank you for the explanation bro! Saved me hours and dollars, had no idea what’s happened with PCs since i built mine in 2018
Remember when top of the line AMD Motherboard cost only $300 ?
times had change (for worse) 😓
240USD Gigabyte Aorus X370
Ye, now the cheapest one here (x870 tomahawk) is $300 on Amazon US. Ridiculous.
Jesus, gonna just stay on that am4 for a while.
Smart thing to do anyway. We're pretty close to 16-core CCD which means 16-core x800X3D and 32-core x950X, and you'll probably get to skip DDR5 completely by waiting for it. Not like anything is stressing out a 5800X3D yet
before you jump in to a x870 I would wait at least 6m I bought my X670E MSI MEG Ace sept 2022 I could not use it for more than a year because of the BIOS state it FROZE the bios froze >< AND it retained only half of the settings you changed at random AND took ages to boot because of the DDR5 AND pbo didn't work at al AND AND AND AND completely unuseable so I shelved it for 2 years until my 13900k died and I tried it again 18 bios later same mb same cpu it's awesome now (msi is at it's 25th bios for this MB) and I would totally recommend it, main reason it doesn't share m.2 bandwith with sata or pcie DO NOT BUY motherboards that say if M.2 populated your pcie 1 goes to x8 because the multiplier is the only relevant value ! you get half the bandwith of your gpu actual pcie gen for example x8 pcie4 on a rtx4090 or x8 pcie3 on a gtx1080, this matters if you have a high end card and play 4K 100+fps or extreme fps 1080-1440p like 300-400, you can test it yourself using 3dmark pcie bandwith test that will tell you x8 is bad I made the mistake to buy a shared M2_1-PCIE1 bandwith asus motherboard don't fall for the same trap
Bro can't type a regular sentence, and expects to correctly configure bios settings 💀
Ok, this is a joke. The idea is that you really need to format your sentences ina way for other people to read it.
I suppose you could use the chipset NVME slots(if available) instead of the ones coming from the CPU.
@@fredEVOIX yeah that's unlikely to be an issue. it's also the reason þits generally not good to immediately hop on a new platform in the first generation.
the companies needed time to iron out the hardware and driver issues with AM5, and now that its been out an entire generation, there aren't anywhere near the same magnitude of issues.
reviewers are also testing the boards specifically to see if those type of things remain.
Hardware Unboxed already tested the boot times as well as what kind of memory speeds are actually achievable. and it looks like most X870 boards can hit around 8000Mhz and be stable.
That being said, whether its actually worth the money to go buy RAM that expensive for AM5 is questionable.
with AM5 and especially with X3D chips you dont really benefit from the faster clock speed due to the fact you can't increase the infinity fabric proportionally with the memory speeds. it won't really be worth it until AMD puts a better memory controller and IO die on Zen CPUs. Maybe with Zen 6, who knows.
It sucks they're so damn Expensive. No released pricing where I am (New Zealand) but I doubt there will be a single X870 under NZ$700, and I imagine the B850 ones will Start at $500 :( - X570 started at NZ$400, and B550 started out at like NZ$190
Everything is telling me the Carbon is the one (after years of always choosing Strix). Good rear USB for VR; looks nice; all the building convenience features. And I've already been online reading manuals and MSI's manual is very well laid out, which helps with understanding PCI lane tradeoffs and what I/O is wired through which chipset or directly to the CPU.
Top review this Tom, a lot of work put in. Fair play to ya thanks
Appreciate that thank you dude
I've just watched like 5 video reviews of these x870(e) motherboards and this was the only one that didn't spend like 70% of time on listing specs from websites or on showing how easily radiators could be removed ;-] Given that as it was stated, the time for testing was limited, it's really a great video!
Now given that Tomahawk is priced ~350EUR the winner here is clear. Nevertheless I definitely miss some ASRock models in this picture...
If its ASUS who went to shit with customer service its a absolute no, Can't support a company that won't support clients. Bye Asus....
Would you test DDR5-8000 support on the X870E Hero and/or Strix-E boards? Can it at least pass 30 minutes of y-cruncher VT3? I’m wondering how effective their NitroPath technology is.
@@PowellCat745 I had 8000 running on the X670 ace - it's not really worth the faster memory tbh
@@OC3D Yes, the perf difference is marginal, but dual CCD CPUs can benefit from the additional bandwidth in memory-bound production workload, and you can now synchronize the FCLK & the UCLK to reduce latency and lower idle power consumption with a low VSOC. If the X870E Hero does support it, it will be a selling point at least.
@@PowellCat745 All of them can do 8000 if running 2 DIMMs. What will really be interesting to see is if Nitropath helps with allowing 4 DIMM configurations to run at higher speeds. I'll be testing this soon.
@@GameTechReviews they can run 8000, but are they stable though? From what I’ve seen, at least Taichi can’t do 7400+.
@@PowellCat745 They've been stable on most boards since AGESA 1007c last year. I've been running 48gb at 8000 since early this year on an ASRock X670E Steel Legend.
Your website looks nice and clean now 👍
There's no compelling reason for the vast majority of AM5 builders to buy an X870 motherboard at all. Almost everybody can buy a B650 or B650E, install the latest BIOS, and never lose out on performance.
Why would the motherboard affect FPS? I'd really like to get the Carbon, but it's nearly always at the bottom of the FPS charts.
When are the official reviews coming out or do you just go to the website for that
so u need a better internet?and is good to know about DAC and Nahimic suport?and the testing is in 7.1 audio sistems enabled?all the testing is made with MSI /ASUS /GIGABYTE keyboard and mouse?the setup and testing vs OEM branding/sistems
Im still in the center between the msi x870e carbon wifi vs the Asus rog strix 870e-e. Any options on their service?
We are paying big money for these brands the minimum should be a bulletproof customers services instead of them just trying to cashing in like predators !Nice video.
Here in Finland MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI is 325€ while ASUS ROG CROSSHAIR X870E HERO is 759€ so choice is kind of easy..
Thanks for the review.
I'm building a new PC now. I've been considering the X870 AORUS ELITE. Can the Aorus Elite handle a 9950X3D CPU, or do I need the X870E VRM?
Excellent content... very technical and detailed.
Great video and great info. Where's the MSI Godlike?
That MSI Carbon Wifi is a very nice-looking motherboard, my friend has the X670E version and can't say anything but good things it's a rock-solid motherboard. But The X870E Carbon Wifi is $919 Australian vs the X670E for $599 Australian doesn't really seem worth getting the X870E over the X670E considering their the same chipset.
I own the X670E Carbon myself but haven't used it yet as I'm waiting for the 9800X3D but I can't see the X870 being worth the extra that's for sure!
@@Excalabur50 so what to buy because here I have only x870e msi available 😭
@@icemangtr1 If that's your only choice you can't do much, unless you can get something else from Amazon or Ebay.
@@Excalabur50 in our country lot of the sellers uses American tactics when they release new motherboards hiding the previous ones for 4 6 months to sell the latest ones during its the wave 🌊 of hype 🫤🫤🫤
The GBP to USD exchange rate is decent. Would that make them somewhat cheaper in UK?
No, because VAT and other costs of trading in the UK. And because it's the money that's a different price, not the board.
@@RobFisherUK I suppose the tariffs etc. although I remember rtx 4090 dropping by around £100 due to exchange rate at some point.
Which X870E motherboard i can choice??
Strange what you said about having a 1gig internet package but only getting around 945 meg download. That is the maximum thru-put you would get if you had a 1 gig ethernet port somewhere in the loop. I had this issue with my Virgin 1 gig package going to my 2.5 gig port on the motherboard. I was only getting 945 meg due to the fact that the port on the Virgin router was only 1 gig! I had them send me a new router that had a 2.5 gig port and hey presto!!! I now get around 1140 meg download and 104 meg upload 😃. Did you say you get 945 up AND down? I didn't realise that the symmetrical package was available yet.
I want to know the boot times of every manufacturer. Did Asus and MSI fix the slow boot times they had with the x6xx and b6xx boards?
Do you have any boot to Windows times? Last gen boards have been extremely erratic with this, is it fixed?
No Asrock; no sale*. I nearly fell out of my chair @ the Hero non-recommend. That case at the angle you've got it at is messing with my vision! 🙂 You should have left "evil playing-field" uncorrected. LOL!!! Bakewell Tart I'm familiar with; Mrs Beeton did Bakewell Pudding; WTF is a Bakewell Pie? 🙄 Isle of White? Isle of Gone to the Dogs more like. 😁 Appreciate that rundown about the chipset drivers; it isn't just the cheeky gurning that keeps me here, honest! If you were a mobo, you'd be the one I bought. Overall the best feature set and bang for buck on the platform. 👌😉
* I might take a punt on the X870E AORUS PRO ICE though; only caveat the feature set is knocked down v the MASTER. IF the price differential isn't good enough, I'll NOT be bothering even with that. I want a white board with the SAME features as the non-white SKU or go away!
hmm: i think I've just spotted an error: in the video we can see a box for x870 Elite, while in the benchmarks x870e Elite is listed: which one is correct? while the name is very similar, from what I heard the quality of these 2 are completely separate classes: x870e Elite is allegedly not much worse than Master, while x870 Elite is more like GamingX...
There is only one X870 elite (X870e doesnt exist but it wouldnt effect performance if it did)
If im spending that much on a motherboard, i would expect it to at least have aesthetic coverings around the edge of the board like the X670E had.
I got a 10Gb internal house network ... these MB fabricators are LAZY with still 2.5Gb connections ...
Tons of them have 5G and 99% of people don't need more than 1GB
Were you able to compare them to the x670?
Is there any benefit in performance x870 vs x670?
Outside of *some* motherboards potentially having better memory tracing to the socket (where the IO die is) there shouldn't be any difference, *some* VRM's might be bigger OR more efficient.
But the chipset at the end of the day is just way for the CPU to get additional PCIE and USB ports with X870 still using the same promontory 21 chip natively supports USB4, that is the major change.
If you want a cheaper board and don't care about USB4 then B650/X670 is still available but the newer boards also give the board partners a chance to experiment with new PCIE latching techniques, IO covers and other styling changes.
Its the same chipset pretty much dude - zero benefit over a 670 other than actual board features and bios
The rear IO on the MSI Carbon does look really nice.
The X670E version was about £200 cheaper then the ROG Hero so if it is the same this generation looks like a great choice with Tom thinking the MSI Bios is better.
@@OC3D ty
I'm between x870e carbon wifi VS rog x870e-e , Which one do you think? In Addition, Is MSI Center stable?
MSI is a great board and I would go with it all day over the Asus offering at that price point.
@@RK-Red-Knight-Designs I went back to Asus, sound and RGB are better quality. I couldn't get used to the MSI motherboard
I'm a really odd duck it seems. I'm leaning either towards the ASRock X870E Taichi....or the MSI X870E Godlike. And yes, I would be getting the Godlike because it just looks SEXY!!!
The new Be Quiet Case looks almost like the Lian Li O11 Evo RGB case.
Hello 🙋♂ brother 😎, welcome back 😃, a hug of light and peace 😇☀
5:45 an OLED for that kinda money really crosshair hero is listed at an absurd $1299 AUD strix E is $1059 the gigabyte master is $999 and the elite wifi 7 is $569
Tomahawk is $639 and carbon is $919
The Tomahawk is listed for about EUR 300 here in Austria/Germany
ya 400 here in canada.
Hello I bought the msi carbon wifi, do you think I made the right choice?
That's a great board - best US-$500 board out there. And for US-$450 the ASRock X870E Taichi can't be beat.
@@RK-Red-Knight-Designs thanks 🙏
I have always been a fan of Gigabyte motherboards but X670-X870 their slacking of on the quality as they lowered their PCB's to 6 layer from 8 layer on their higher end boards.6-Layer is mid loss signal for Memory, CPU and GPU where the 8-Layer gives you Low loss. Even their high end X870E AORUS PRO ICE only has 6-Layer PCB but at least they finally have a post code.
I'd probably go for the Strix, although it all depends if Intel's 15th gen are any good.
where is the comparison with the x670 and b650???
How do you rate the x870 proart mainboard compared to the above 4 mainboards?
For creators it is great... the cheapest board with 10g LAN. They do need to put a debug readout on it at that price though.
@@RK-Red-Knight-Designs Thank you so much, I'm still deciding between X870 proart and X870 Taichi (I find Taichi's VRM very good). What do you think?
@@tuonglexuan5520 the vrm is overkill on just about every single am5 board.
been seeing that ddr5 6400 is actually better on these than ddr5 8000 , can you guys confirm please?
Depends on timings (not just primary's like 30-36-36, sorry).
DDR5-6000 and DDR5-8000 will switch places depending on if the program is bandwidth bound and its easy to get a ddr5-6000 kit to perform better just by comparing it against a 8000mhz kit with super lazy timings.
The chance for a reviewer (like the techpowerup article I'm betting you looked at) to take *every single kit* on test... and then dial down *every single timing* as low as it can go... and only *then* compare them, is pretty much zero.
Best we get is whatever XMP/EXPO profiles are baked into the chips by default but in an effort of the ram kit maker to reduce RMA's from people who didn't have a memory controller up to running them that fast faster kits tend to have very loose timings which end up performing like generic cheap-ish slower kits.
So I wouldn't worry about it and just focus on getting a non crap kit (no 4800mhz) that's likely to work, and 6000-6400 just happens to be relatively cheap and most likely to work, then you need to personally take the time to dial in your timings for best performance.
@@tomstech4390 cool , thanks mate
@@TheDaveyd29 Forgive this babbling that follow.
I'm still wrapping my head around it as I haven't had an AM5 chip yet, but I think for the most part it's core2 duo all over again...
Core2 at 1:1 = so 400mhz FSB _ 400mhz memory (DDR2-800)
Core2 at 2:1 = so 333mhz FSB _ 666mhz memory (DDR3-1333)
AM4 at 1:1:1 = 1800Fclk _ 1800mhz Uclk _ 1800mhz memory (DDR4-3600)
AM5 at 1.5:1:1 = 2000Fclk _ 3000mhz Uclk _ 3000mhz memory (DDR5-6000)
AM5 at 1:1:2 = 2000Fclk _ 2000mhz Uclk _ 4000mhz memory (DDR5-8000)
With AM5 you can have your Mclk tied to your Uclk 1:1 (but Uclk at 3000 is +50% than IF)
OR your Mclk is 2x your Uclk (which is dropped down to 2000MT equal to Fclk).
Questions I still have yet to answer.
1) is it worth dropping Uclk down ~33% to Fclk speeds... in an effort to get 8000mhz RAM?
2) is it better to run Uclk at 3000 1:1 with Mclk and run DDR5-6000 (or 3200 DDR5-6400)
3) if the IF is running 2133mhz and not 2000mhz what then? (also I suspect 2133mhz to be a reason some reviewers had really strange Zen5 performance while others running 2000mhz had better results, those running 2000mhz said so, those hating zen5 didn't say.... so probably 2133mhz default).
I'm so sorry!
The only consistent thing is "faster clocks and lower latency is better" which is always a tradeoff.
Just get the CAS 30 6000 stuff as that's the sweet spot.
My ryzen 9 9950x is good on Asus TUF gaming motherboard x670e and CL32 6400mhz
18:29 you conclude the ASUS is faster because the average is slightly higher, but likely it falls within the margin of error. It would be good to indicate the standard deviation around the mean, and if you really want to make a conclusion then use a student's t-test (assuming a normal distribution)
Interesting how it was Shitsus RoGarbage boards were the ones who blew up highest number of X3D chips.
For what I can see these companies are oversizing VRM's to justify their pricing. Another thing that I cannot understand is the lack of expandability in all X870(E) boards. The only ones that splits the PCI gen 5 from CPU (from 1 x16 to 2 x8) are the most expensive boards (>600USD). The other boards take PCI lanes from the chipset which is limited to PCI gen 4 X 4. This basically excludes the possibility of having dual GPUs in the system. I know that today dual GPU is not a thing for gaming, but it could change in one or two GPU generations. I don't know how challenging would be to split the gen 5 1x16 lanes into 2x8 lanes from the CPU, but I guess that it should not be something limited to the very high end motherboards.
Dual gpus are never coming back for gaming. There’s no actual need for that.
Also would love to see the most important part memory scaling.. how much ram actually does each board support
Techpowerup did an article recently comparing RAM speeds on Zen 5 and there wasn’t much difference between 6000/8000.
@@MrFilip121 so basically they are same as z670e. I dont care about usb ports.. i am interested in overclocking
I picked up the msi x870e carbon wifi , was shocked it was only £430 on amazon , I was told it would be in the 600 range .
I wonder if it’s to do with the exchange rate. The pound is quite strong recently.
@@MrFilip121 God knows, I'm just a happy bunny lol, was expecting alot more for an 8 layer pcb card .
@@MrFilip121 it sells for $499 in the US.
open the boxes and tell me wat board is best pls
Its getting to the point you have to make 100k a year to afford pc parts. The price creep isnt even creeping anymore. Its full on price-race, seems like the most adopted industry specs have became how much price tag they can slap on a component. I cant wait to see the nvidia 5060 at around $6-700
10:10 I don't know Tom, I just got the X870 MAG, moving to AMD finally and holy sh.... it seems to be training memory on every restart taking like 5-10min to boot basically, official website has 2 bioses - both are BETA... when setting PCI-E config to 8x-4x-4x ... it will freeze on boot - won't boot my optane drive in last slot - can't put it anywhere else because of my 4080, so I have to do Auto config and my GPU runs at 4x, PBO settings don't seem to work, the CPU just won't pull more than 85W no matter what I config....like this is hot garbage, I don't get why nobody talks about this, I watched multiple reviews, I'm so pissed off. Oh and my R23 multi score is like 17400... that's also trash (7800X3D).
684 usd for hero and 540usd for strix in china
but i bought giga b650e aorus elite ax ice
I got the X870E hero in Hong Kong for about £580 immediately they do not have vat here
Great comments section here today as usual. Lots of useful information from my enthusiast brothers & sisters.
MSI bios looks slick!
Evil playing fields are the best playing fields.
The Crosshair Hero is £666 here in Sweden
Does msi carbon wifi have a-sync clock gen eclk?
Ryzen 9000 are similar price as 7000 in Argentina but... Mobos has 200 or more dollars. Yet I don't know why prices go Up when consume is going down 😂
Thank T!
Calling yourself tiny is wild
No ASrock?
Dont really have a relationship with them. Havnt been asked about boards for years.
@@OC3D Ok thanks for responding, good brand IMHO.
we need WHITE msi tomahawk boards! =(
Nothing from Asrock?\
How about Asrock models?
They never even email me about samples
Save you money and go X670E, there is no difference in performance
Funny enough, the prices of x870 where im from cost less than the x670 series. I did notice local vendors hiking up 600 series prices here
Seems like at ASUS they have collective brain damage with their past years and current pricing. Up until now, I have been a ASUS fanboy for the MOBO and GPU, but that is over. MSI Carbon looks mighty good with honest pricing.
Great roundup. Amazon are selling the Hero for 683 euro and the Strix for 633 euro. The Hero manual is up on the Asus site. The Strix only has the quick start manual for now.
Was comparing the m2 specs in the manual for the x670e hero against the x870e version and looks like the x670e has more usable M2's. According to the Asus manual, on x670e - you can populate M2_1, M2_2 (lanes from CPU) and M2_3 and M2_4 (lanes from chipset)
GPU still runs at 16X. Lane sharing only occurs if you populate the 2nd PCI-E slot with the M2 add in card, which drops the GPU to 8X.
So you can run 4 M2's (2 from cpu and 2 from chipset) with 16X GPU. The USB 4.0 ports on the x670e must be taking lanes from the chipset so you have 20 lanes for GPU and M2 from the CPU.
On x870e you have more M2 slots. You can populate M2_1, M2_2, and M2_3 (lanes taken from CPU) and M2_4 and M2_5 (lanes from chipset) However by populating M2_3 it drops GPU to 8x but also disables M2_2 completely!!. So looks like you can run 3 M2's (1 from cpu, 2 chipset) with 16X GPU. The USB 4.0 is taking lanes from the CPU so this limits you to only 20 lanes for GPU and M2 from the CPU.
I don’t know what ASUS is thinking... I think the Carbon is as powerful as the Hero, if not better, and it costs $500. I’m personally done with ASUS.
I would agree, but the Hero does provide overclockers with extra features such as asychronous eclk, which then offers 2 b-clks allowing oc'ing only the cpu and not affecting the other components. But if you don't need that, there are much better offerings such as the Carbon and TaiChi, especially for those prices!
I hate these big logos and writings and bling-bling lights on mainboards, and wish for more elegant and mature, plain designs. If i wanted anything to light up in my case, i'd add it separately - but these times for me are over.
Start your own company then. The new Taichi doesn’t have any rgb.
@@TheSjuris What a stupid reply. And yes, the new Taichi does have RGB.
@@tourist6290 stupid reply to a stupider statement.
@@tourist6290 the Lite doesn’t dummy.
@@TheSjuris That's a different Mainboard. There's the "Taichi" and the "Taichi Lite".
Dummy.
$800 for Hero and $300 for Tomahawk in Indonesian 😅
Asus ROG STRIX X870-F GAMING WIFI is $899 AUD. They can keep it. Surely it's going to have some teething problems as well. No Thanks. PASS. That means the Hero will be probably $1300. They can keep that one too.. I can buy a 150cc scooter for that much.
When a Tomahawk FINALLY comes with a post code LED... It has an absolutely OBNOXIOUS accent color everywhere. 🤮 Well, I was ready to move away from MSI anyway. Where are the AsRock boards?
X870 Tomahawk has post code display.
@@Dr.WhetFarts And "an absolutely OBNOXIOUS accent color everywhere." It wouldn't bother me, touch-up paint to the rescue even if it did, but it bothers this chap. We don't all have the same aesthetic values.
Ask asrock..... Ive given up bothering with them.
Msi ❤
More than good enough, top sir. Your heartfelt 'love you sis' message at the end.
With these meme prices they will get zero sales. 😂😂😂😂 Ill have a cherry Bakewell instead.
Asus tax is bad with these 😂 if you want the best you have to pay for the best
Way overpriced. This World is crumbling.
Stupidly expensive
The price isn't important. You are paying for something that is an investment to everyday life. Plus these boards allow you to upgrade the CPU in 3-5 years. With Intel you can't do that..... you're stuck with the same cpu and motherbaord and when a new generation comes out you need cpu and motherboard again. I would never dream about trying to save money on a computer part. Ill do that with food or going out
@@Ladioz what areyou talking about? save money? 900+ dollars for a motherboard? I AM a owner of a Asus hero from older generations AM4, but this is too much.
@@diegotambor9283 Sorry i didnt know it's that much. I though they were like 250 dollar
Msi wins
Sik content
4k gaming benchmarks... Its Wat we use.. 7950x3d and 9950x benchmarks too?. Hit the top 2 cpu? 7800x3d if u want extra credit?
Ddr5 max / Bootable speed?
4k benchmarks is a GPU test - 720 or 1080 shows cpu/board limitations
@@OC3D they can each show different things? Wat matters most is what is used tho(which could mean ur viewership/market, who may b the lowered resolved* ) ? More data the better? 4k can b pretty uneventful? .3 or .4 fps or percent differences being substantial? Or even .1 ?! A referral to more-specific computational operations involving resolution differences in performance showing/elucidating how 1080p is better besides that it shows larger percentage differences may b helpful? Ty for everything! Time, effort, patience, benchmarks...
18:47 juicey Warhammer gaming benchmarks. Ty again. The minimum fps(1% lows?) r interesting too?.. 18:55 ff benchmark
ASUS fell off
If we don't get ITX boards we riot at midnight