20 Years of Spidey History, 1 spectacular film! - (Spider-Man: No Way Home Retrospective)
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- Spider-Man: No Way Home brings 20 years of Spider-Man film history together in a stunning spectacle, but this film has a TROUBLED production history. Uncover the secrets with me as we analyse the HECK out of this crazy film.
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Spider-Man: No Way Home is a 2021 American superhero film based on the Marvel Comics character Spider-Man, co-produced by Columbia Pictures and Marvel Studios and distributed by Sony Pictures Releasing. It is the sequel to Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017) and Spider-Man: Far From Home (2019), and the 27th film in the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU). The film was directed by Jon Watts and written by Chris McKenna and Erik Sommers. It stars Tom Holland as Peter Parker / Spider-Man alongside Zendaya, Benedict Cumberbatch, Jacob Batalon, Jon Favreau, Jamie Foxx, Willem Dafoe, Alfred Molina, Benedict Wong, Tony Revolori, Marisa Tomei, Andrew Garfield, and Tobey Maguire. In the film, Parker asks Dr. Stephen Strange (Cumberbatch) to use magic to make his identity as Spider-Man a secret again following its public revelation at the end of Far From Home. When the spell goes wrong because of Parker's actions, the multiverse is broken open, which allows visitors from alternate realities to enter Parker's universe.
A third MCU Spider-Man film was planned during the production of Homecoming in 2017. Negotiations between Sony and Marvel Studios to alter their deal-in which they produce the Spider-Man films together-ended with Marvel Studios leaving the project in August 2019, but a negative fan reaction led to a new deal between the companies a month later. Watts, McKenna, Sommers, and Holland were set to return, and filming took place from October 2020 to March 2021 in New York City and Atlanta. No Way Home features several actors reprising their roles from non-MCU Spider-Man films directed by Sam Raimi and Marc Webb, including previous Spider-Man actors Maguire and Garfield. The involvement of both actors was the subject of wide speculation and numerous leaks despite the efforts of Sony, Marvel, and the cast to conceal their involvement.
Spider-Man: No Way Home premiered at the Fox Village Theatre in Los Angeles on December 13, 2021, and was theatrically released in the United States on December 17, as part of Phase Four of the MCU. The film received generally positive reviews from critics and grossed over $1.9 billion worldwide, surpassing its predecessor as the highest-grossing film released by Sony Pictures. It became the highest-grossing film of 2021, the sixth-highest-grossing film of all time, the highest grossing Spider-Man film, and set several other box office records, including those for films released during the COVID-19 pandemic. The film received a nomination for Best Visual Effects at the 94th Academy Awards, among numerous other accolades. An extended version of the film, subtitled The More Fun Stuff Version, had a global theatrical release in September 2022. A sequel is in development.
Yes I meant geometry not geography. Cotton mouth moment.
Nice to see I'm not the only one who remembers when spidey was taken out of the mcu for like a month and the whole world flipped out
Bruh i laughed my ass off hearing how Tom holland saved Spiderman 😂
@That Movie Nitpicker you can delete it
I remember just walking out of seeing Far From Home and seeing this news. My heart shattered
I was one of those people
What info was out there broke my heart but it was clear Sony was not the bad guy, disney was for getting greedy but every bit of coverage painted Sony as the villain...and it seemed like everyone bought it.
20:00 something I liked that after Doc Ock mentioned his machine was missing, Peter said if Doc Ock calmed down, he would be happy to help find the machine. This shows he is always ready to first help or talk out with the villains, rather then start throwing punches, and it’s not all just by May.
This movie is a celebration of Spider-Man's history in film. I already love all the films but this one makes me appreciate them even more now knowing where it leads, No Way Home is truly something special.
its a overrated rushed crap imo😂
@@silverlovegunsso you didn't enjoy any of it?
Sony: "Venom is in the MCU now. So you gotta deal with it."
Disney: "Okay."
(Sends him back right away)
While the mid credits scene with Tom hardy was really, REALLY bad. I’m not convinced we won’t ever see Tom hardy and Tom Holland interact in the future. With the college trilogy in development, and marvel and SONY seemingly in a better relationship and Kevin Feige collaborating with SONY on the future Sony universe movies, I believe we will see Tom Hardy venom show back up into the MCU to finally face off against Tom Holland in Tom’s eventual symbiote saga. Weather it be madame web bridging the universe or Secret wars bridging the universes, we will have to see. It will be exciting to see though.
Sony: "You can't do this to me. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE SACRIFICED!?"
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t recall Octavius ever mentioning that Osborn died by his own glider. He just said that he died, which of course he would’ve had this knowledge in Spider-Man 2. Marko was the only one to mention how Osborn died, and since he was the only villain to survive post Spider-Man 3, it could be that he has that knowledge because when Harry’s butler Bernard Houseman told the truth to Harry, he must’ve also told the truth to news stations like the Daily Bugle. The only plot-hole from that moment is Octavius knowing that the Green Goblin was Norman Osborn. With the whole close friends telling each other secrets theory in mind, maybe Octavius had knowledge of the glider suit. The military in the first film knew about it, and maybe Osborn once told Octavius that he made that glider for himself or something (Octavius does say in this film that Osborn was misguided and greedy; he knows his dark side). Octavius must’ve put the pieces together that Norman Osborn was the Green Goblin, and he never told Harry the truth to protect him.
you are correct
It also could be that he didn’t know until norman was green goblin until he saw him on the bridge. I could easily see like y’all said that he knew of the tech but never put the two together until he heard his laugh. Then he started putting everything together.
19:04 Dr Strange has been well established as reckless with the scene of him experimenting with the Time Stone without reading about the consequences.
This character flaw was addressed in Dr Strange 2 with him being faced with the reality of what giving the stone meant for the rest of the world.
Plus I've always believed that Electro knowing Peter's identity doesn't mean knowing what he looks like
The one other thing I want from Spidey in the MCU for the next few years is Peter insisting to a cameo that he'll remain a vigilante cause he's too close to the ground and people get hurt.
One more cameo just before he returns, so he can properly kick some backside and then, alright he can be reintegrated.
Tom's Spidey deserves some solo time, at least a trilogy with his newfound obscurity
CinemaWins suggested Sandman is from the future of the Raimi films, mainly based on him seemingly trying to jog Peter's memories, and the implication from that is that the news came out later after Spider-Man 3 due to Harry's death firmly confirming the Osborns as the Goblins. Doc Ock mentions Osborn's greed, so it's likely he figured it out and as another comment suggested, kept quiet to avoid hurting Harry.
My theories on why Ock knows Norman was the Green Goblin:
1. He and Norman were friends and colleagues and Norman either told him about or showed him the performance enhancer, armor, and glider he was working on. When the Green Goblin showed up, Otto put two and two together and decided to keep it a secret out of loyalty to his friend.
2. Bernard told him about it while he was developing the Sun Ball experiment for Oscorp.
That's what I believe too. I also believed Otto didn't tell Harry to protect him from the truth.
No matter how I feel about the MCU Spider man movies, I will always disagree with the statement that Jon Watts doesn’t understand spider man. This man had to deal with constant studio and story mandates from Sony AND Disney, narrative decisions made with his version of spidey that he wasn’t aware of in other movies, constant script rewrites and scriptwriting decisions that he didn’t agree with, and scheduling overhauls just to name a few issues. Yet he still managed to put out some cohesive stories with some shining moments. Shoutout him. Real trooper
As someone who hated 2 of the mcu movies i came out of nwh thinking Jon watts is the perfect director for Tom holland's spidey the way they bounce off and work off each other is why their movies are so charming regardless if you like it or not
@@theoutsiderjess1869 I hope that he stays out of the MCU and makes a career of his own
Jon watts does get Spider-Man.
Toby: the Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
Andrew: the Amazing Spider-Man
Tom: the Avenging Spider-Man
Electro is basically the nutty professor in terms of concept. in TASM2 he is a loser technician that becomes this cool powerful villain. And in No Way Home that is why he is the opposite to who he was because of the electricity he absorbed. Its subtle but you can see the more electricity he absorbed the more confident he becomes while when he was having it drained in the apartment he says he doesn't like how it feels, as he was having all his confidence taken away. It was like a drug. That is pretty much the concept there.
I was just so happy to finally see Andrew Garfield in the suit again. Something I never thought I'd see
Man being able to say Goodbye felt great it felt important for me to move on and i didn't realize how much I needed that until I got it
Looking back on the factors involved in production it is kinda miraculous how the movie turned out
I remember reading a report that at the time of planning the Venom 2 end-credit scene, the plan was for Venom to be part of the villains. Which Sony changed as they went into production. The idea being that while he wasn't the Venom from Spider-man 3, the concept was meant to be that the symbiotes have a universal hive mind or something, which was what Venom was about to tell Eddie in the End credit scene before they got transported. And that the connection to other symbiotes across the multiverse is what brings that Venom into the MCU. The rest was gonna play out fairly similar with Eddie/Venom trying to get the box with Lizard, electro, sandman and Goblin. And at the end Venom was gonna save Tobey's Peter from dying after the stab wound. Because of Tobey's peters interaction with a symbiote in his universe, it would allow Venom to be able to save Peter's life. Which would result in Venom getting the Spidersymbol on his chest. Now the rumor is they may have changed this because of plans for Venom 3, in which they may use some of those universal ideas for that movie instead.
While the mid credits scene with Tom hardy was really, REALLY bad. I’m not convinced we won’t ever see Tom hardy and Tom Holland won’t interact in the future. With the college trilogy in development, and marvel and SONY seemingly in a better relationship and Kevin Feige collaborating with SONY on the future Sony universe movies, I believe we will see Tom Hardy venom show back up into the MCU to finally face off against Tom Holland in Tom’s eventual symbiote saga. Weather it be venom 3 being multiverse and having hardy interact with Holland that way, or madame web bridging the universe or Secret wars bridging the universes, we will have to see. It will be exciting to see though.
I wish they stuck with that though, could’ve been so cool
They gave AVI ARAD a big thank you in the credits
But do you know who else deserves a big thank you?
LAURA ZISKIN
It was because of her and her partner (the screenwriter Alvin Sargent) that the original trilogy and TASM1 had depth
Arad on the other hand just wanted to use the movies to sell toys
Avi must have made more money from the toys and therefore put more money down to produce this movie and buy his little end credit there.. I hate it so much and I hate avi
you post this on literally every movie spider-man related video
I bet some sort of a drunk phone call happened between Holland and Bob, but how much of an influence it actually had on a new deal with Sony was likely blown out of proportion.
17:55. I think they addressed this in when Ned says to Flash. “Yeah cuz some of us ARE actually friends with Spiderman.” Hinting that admissions probably knew flash was full of it
Yeah, Channel Pup calls a few things plot holes in this retrospective when they really aren't. Which is ironic because there absolutely is a lot of sloppy writing in this movie you can criticize. I get he wanted to be fair and point out the faults but a lot of the nitpicking was unnecessary/inaccurate.
I think in the nwh extended edition post credits scene they show a recording of the worldwide trip peters class went on but peter is not present in the footage so i think all footage of Peter is removed as well because of the spell.
Also , Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield will almost certainly return in Avengers Secret Wars and probably cameo in Across or beyond the spider verse , im glad we're getting more of them!
EDIT : nvm you mentioned the pcs lmao
That’s heartbreaking
This film was truly a miracle. After so many years I never dreamed I would see Tobey and Andrew again. By no means perfect but still an awesome movie
I want to add to clear up the plot holes I think visually they showed how these characters aren’t the exact same characters we know from the original movie and how they were sending the villains back different then they were so the timeline would change and it shows also how these characters aren’t the same
I was a fan of the mid credit scene cause I HATE those venom films so the fact that he immediately leaves the mcu and just leaves a bit of the symbiote makes me happy 😂
41:21 _"[...] the two Peters go in to talk, and they realise that - despite their differences - they've all got a lot in common."_ Like, for example, all their mothers had the same name.
Hey, if it's good enough for Batman and Superman...
17:50 actually that’s where your wrong, after Flash comes in and says “you didn’t get in?” Ned says “yeah, cause we’re actually friends with Spider-Man” and later we see the MIT lady reading flash’s book looking skeptical, so it’s clear that it’s obvious to people he is lying
Yeah, not to mention Flash helps Peter specifically to get people to believe him.
The Cut fight scene between Tobey and Dafoe is a cinematic travesty
I wish the elevator scene was kept in the theatrical cut, because it is pure gold. Jon Watts better have a good explanation it.
Excellent retrospective Pup, a great way to round things off (for now)! Watching this movie in the cinema on opening night was one of the best experiences of my life by far.
Great vid bro! However, one thing I disagree with you on is that, in regards to the villains, I think there’s more than enough evidence in the movie to support the idea that they’re simply variants of their prime universe counterparts. The only people I’m certain are the exact same versions from the previous films are Tobey, Andrew, and Venom. I say this because they all acknowledge their past experiences beyond what we saw in their films (Tobey saying he and MJ eventually worked things out and Andrew talking about how he became bitter after Gwen died.) and in the Extended Cut of the film Andrew says “With this job there’s so many things I wish I did differently.” and Tobey responds “Yeah, but to have a second chance…” this is them acknowledging the events of the previous films and the significance of the villains being here. I say all this because if these villains were the exact same ones from their films then Tobey and Andrew would not be saying any of this because their respective timelines would be completely changed. If anything, I think these villains being variants makes the process of Tobey and Andrew curing them even more impactful and bittersweet. Once these villains are cured, Tobey and Andrew will return home and nothing about their reality will change. For Tobey, Norman and Otto will still be dead and for Andrew, Dillon as well, but they can find solace in the fact that they made life better for a version of not only their foes, but themselves too. Do I think the movie could’ve been more explicit about this? Absolutely! But this was just my takeaway.
Besides possibly Sandman, each of them could create a tangibly new timeline:
* Norman surviving would have a huge impact on Peter and Harry; he could probably also have helped prevent his Otto falling to villainy based on his knowledge.
* Otto similar to above, if not to the same extent; but also, if he brings the arc reactor back with him imagine the impact outside of mere narrative stuff…
* If Connors was pulled before he killed Captain Stacey (which is possible), maybe a happier timeline for Peter and Gwen as people can actually sort their stuff out.
* Max Dillon popping back alive could, MAYBE, throw off GG-Harry killing Gwen…
All this is speculation but in fairness, it’s not the point of it all; the point was giving the villains a CHANCE to change their fates for the better. Which is wholesome if not outright uplifting, no?
Part of me thinks that in ASM2, Harry might have told Electro that Spiderman was Peter Parker while they were doing their evil plot together, which at the very least would give Electro a name, but not a face (which could explain away why he thought Peter might be black). But then that's just filling in the plot holes again.
(Edit) Never mind. Did a quick check of ASM2 and Harry doesn't find out Peter is Spiderman until the end of the movie. So yeah, there's no way Electro would have learned it from him.
I didn't think that's the case as Harry made the connection when he saw Peter in costume arguing with Gwen which is what set him off even more and by that point Electro was dead which I didn't realize at all until nwh
@@theoutsiderjess1869 yeah, double checked and realized Harry didn't know Peter was spiderman until the final battle. So yeah, Electro shouldn't have known
Imagine a one shot of Matt Murdock taking care of the legal stuff
I'm sure Otto knew about Osborne's project with Gliders and Performance Enhancers. Also no one could mistake Norman's voice once they hear it. Otto is confused to hear Norman's laugh coming out of a Goblin Mask.
It’s so funny you said “Let me guess is strange a skrull too?” Because I’m fairly certain since multiverse of madness was both originally coming out before this, and it’s been confirmed it was originally supposed to end with the dark strange variant trapping him in the incursion universe and going to 616. That probably wasn’t originally gonna be 616 strange. 😂
Also, GEOMETRY pup. GEOMETRY. Not geography.
FUCK.
It was also going to be America Chavez helping to contain the spell in the climax; whether that means we’d have seen her rescuing MCU Stephen I can’t say, but concept art does confirm she would have shown up…
The scene where Doc Ock is freed from the A.I. arms is just a masterclass in acting. Alfred Molina is fantastic. Seeing that moment for the first time is when it hit me -- oh wait, we're watching an actual honest-to-god thespian instead of CGI men jumping around on a green screen.
Also, I love the little joke where Electro asks Peter if the Lego belong to him, because you can't tell if Electro's making fun of him or if he's asking because he wants to play with them. Jamie's delivery of the line was great.
This was genuinely a great retrospective. Can't wait for the spin-offs epilogue episode.
Even though this is a fanservice movie, it’s still a good one if you’re a big fan of Spider-Man.
I think the reason why Sandman introduces himself to Peter is because he could have been taken from a later point in time (as he never died in Spider-Man 3), far after he and Tobey’s Peter parted ways. It would also explain why he only appears in sand form (perhaps something happened and his sand transformation progressed further and he stopped being able to look like his human self)
I don’t believe doc ever said he knew Norman was the goblin . Norman enters the room and questions if who he’s seeing is Octavious , the encounter is
N : Octavious ?
O : Norman?
N : Wh- what happened to you
O: me , you’re the walking corpse. You died Norman,years ago.
Otto only ever said Norman died not the means
Yeah but the first thing he says when he sees goblin on the bridge is “Osborn?!”
@@mediakira6621 oh yeah that definitely a plot hole I don't know how they didn't delete that line
If Marc Webb doesn't return for TASM3
Then Sony should let PHIL LORD and CHRIS MILLER direct and produce the movie
They could save it from AVI ARAD, just like they did with SPIDER-VERSE
It most likely won't happen as Arvi Arad loves to stick his fingers in Spiderman projectsb
@@theoutsiderjess1869 like Venom, Kraven and Morbius
@@Zombiesnyder13 exactly
@@theoutsiderjess1869
#IBlameAviArad
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Here the potholes in no way home
1. Ock saying norman when green goblin appears
2. Villains being sent back o their universe dying dosen't make sense since all of them didn't died
3. Electro being there even though he doesn't know who Peter
4. Sandman being angry at spiderman even though tom said he would help get back home
This movie was needed. And to me, it was perfect.❤🕷️🕷️🕷️🕸️🕸️🕸️
This is an amazing series. I normally don’t like this type of video but I’ve absolutely loved following you through the weeks and seeing your take on each of the Spider-Man films
I guess No Way Home works better as a stand alone movie not related to the other Spidey universes, because if you haven't watched the Raimi trilogy or the Amazing movies, or they didn't exist, technically those aren't plot holes Lol
Quite true, and the film does a perfectly good job at introducing these characters and their motivations.
@ChannelPup I'm the perfect example of this. I watched NWH before seeing Tobey or Andrew's movies (I knew the basics of what happened with those characters like Gwen dying in TASM2) yet I still understood and enjoyed their characters very much. Andrew does a terrific job selling how tormented he is over Gwen's death. So seeing him get a second chance by saving MJ, despite having no real knowledge of his and Gwen's relationship, was still an incredibly powerful moment.
Doc Ock's redemption was the only thing (aside from inside jokes and references) that didn't quite work for me without seeing the movie he came from. His turn felt too quick because I didn't realize the role his arms played in corrupting him.
What I respect this movie the most for though, is that they didn't lose sight of Tom Holland's Spidey. This was his movie, the conclusion to his origin story. For all the movies faults and sloppy writing, they nailed that aspect and I adore this movie for it.
great job man on the Spider-Man no way home retrospective its really fantastic.
The reason Ned and MJ were in trouble for affiliation is because they were apart of the whole London thing and them knowing his plan and helping him
Good thing me and my family were able to see this on our own when watching it the first time because me and my brother were going nuts throughout a good chunk of it, we were pretty much screaming when Tobey and Andrew showed up and when Andrew saved MJ, definitely my favorite theater experience with Sonic 2 and Mario right after (I wish I could say Endgame, but my mom would’ve been annoyed if I didn’t shut up while the movie was going and no one wants their mom annoyed at them, wish I knew she’d be fine with it if I just spaced the reactions out though, I would’ve practically screamed when Cap lifted Mjolnir and when he said “Avengers Assemble”)
Also Marvel, please for the love of Pete (hehe), don’t change Spidey’s new classic suit in Spider-Man 4
i think one thing with raimi's trilogy, they do reference doctor strange as an existing hero, which may just be a throwaway easter egg, but i don't want to believe that lol
I love the first movie game music going against goblin in this.
Looking back I can’t believe how many people sided with Disney when it came to the split. It was clear Sony was getting screwed over. Plus if Disney wanted the character that bad they should’ve bought the rights
My ranking of the Spiderman movies:
9. Spiderman 3 6.5/10
8.Spiderman Far from home 7/10
7. Tasm 2 7.5/10
6. Spiderman homecoming 8/10
5. Spiderman 1 8.5/10
4.Spiderman 2 9/10
3. Spiderman No Way Home 9/10
2.Tasm 1 9.5/10
1. Into the Spiderverse 10/10
Honorable mentions to Spiderman ps4/ps5 10/10
Fun fact: Dr. Strange does get mentioned in the Raimi verse by J.J if you didn't know.
Edit: It's the scene in the 2nd Raimi movie where Jonah wants a name for Doc Oc and Hoffman suggests Dr. Strange, before J.J says, "That's pretty good, but it's taken!"
This is awesome man. I'm always down to hear your thoughts on Spider-Man, but this series of retrospectives has been such a treat to see. Good stuff 😎👍✨️
27:32 for the electrio one, I’ve always thought he is either a variant version of the one from tasm 2 or he is from the same universe but from a later point in time. Because from interviews from Marc Webb we know that electrio survived his encounter with Spiderman. So I could see that maybe he and Spider-Man had another fight when he became vengeful.
My only problems with Nwh is the early half of the film with the college part and the spell segment. I wanted to see Spidey on trial and how they shiffed to college was jarring when I saw it in theater as for the spell. Dr.strange trusting a teenager to be responsible and think about what they're doing was insane to me that he didn't ask any questions at all before doing the spell but after that the movie went back to a high point and then kicked into high gear with all the spidey bros on screen
that was literally how i felt as well. the first half felt the same as all the other spiderman, and personally not too much of a fan of the style, however when green goblin flipped the script, i was all in!!
@@mg682 the first ten minutes were really good then it felt like a typical mcu movie until the tone changed
I remember just walking out of the theater after watching Far From Home and seeing the news of Spidey being pulled from the MCU, my heart shattered
49:11 Also I hate to be that guy since you probably are gonna mention it when you talk about Venom: Let There be Carnage, but you forgot to mention that a trace of the Symbiote was left behind in the MCU universe setting up Tom going through the Black Suit story in the future
I did had this prediction of Peter telling his 2 counterparts about the other superheroes and neither of them knew who they are. (But my prediction was more like going through a list)
like i said, they get around these "plot holes" by implying that all the villains are from different universes- that's why events happened differently from the Raimi and Webb movies; hence electro knowing who peter is, and norman being green goblin can be all over the news- they are different universes from the movies... the multiverse is just a plot device
Not defending Disney here but the context that’s left out is that Disney both provides 25% of the budget and receives 25% of the profit. (Same with their 50% negotiation) So Sony would still be doing better than TASM 2 on ROI at that point. But anyway, it’s all a moot point now.
Ben Mendelson spitting facts
Really the main thing I’d change about this movie (ok, along with a better explanation for how Electro is here and why he acts so differently) is less suits. I’ve said this many times now but I stand by that the Integrated and especially the Black and Gold suits were very unnecessary, they did not at all need to exist. Admittedly I might be a bit biased because I freaking loved the Upgraded suit and seriously wished we could’ve had more time with it’s normal version, so I wish they just cut the Integrated and Black and Gold suits out, have Peter be in the Upgraded suit for most of the movie aside from the ending with the Final Swing suit, and with his fight with Doc Ock in the Iron Spider because the tech in the suit actually gave a legitimate reason to bring it back so Peter can unknowingly use it to win the fight, even if I also would’ve liked to see Peter fight Otto in the Upgraded suit and use more of his ingenuity to win with a more back to basics suit but it definitely would’ve meant a new method for Peter to win that isn’t taking control of Otto’s arms
instead of electro it should have been the new goblin and to make it the sinister six it should have had venom from Tobey Maguire
"The filmmakers would like to acknowledge the original true believer, AVI ARAD, whose vision led the way to bringing these iconic characters to the screen."
Avi Arad to Marvel: You better put "gratefully" in there at the beginning....
Your maths doesn't consider Sony's savings on production.
A quick Google shows that they were actually quite cheap, FFH coming in at 175m. You can effectively add that to Sony's profits as they would have saved half and you double for marketing. I imagine Disney already handled a lot of marketing already, but let's play best case scenario.
566+175=741, so it would be in the same region as TASM2 not 20% down
When I saw the Jamie Fox leak I thought naw they are not going to do a multiversesnmovie until I saw the multiple confirmations of older Spider-Man actors and character my mind completely changed.
Bro I remember the whole sony disney mcu spidery cerfunkle as if it was yesterday. What a perfect example of greedy cooperate tomfoolery.
I still think nwh is better than into the spider verse and Spider-Man 2 but great retrospective it’s my favorite movie
One more slight plothole line for Raimi. Peter 2’s line about Harry “died in my arms… after he tried to killed me” Uhhhhhh, hey “best friend”, he changed and SAVED you from being killed.
That's not a plot hole. He was highlighting the tragic moments, not recapping exactly what happened.
I could listen to pup speak about spiderman allll day
Using the Doc Ock boss music from Spider-Man 2 the Game was a nice touch. I’m sitting here like, wait a second i know that song 😅
'these were the version's from the rami and webb series and there here just as we remember them except for electro' and you say that last part like it's a bad thing
I just want to mention that Sony was the true winner when it came to the *_Spider-Man_* deal with Disney: Disney was being way too greedy and wanted more money from Sony's films, to which Sony said no (obviously).
Disney's a huge conglomerate and was still making billions off of the properties they own (for the most part), so wanted a 50/50 split of profits from the Sony films, and wanting more creative control wasn't gonna fly with Sony. Then they (Disney) were acting like a bitter ex-girlfriend over losing Spider-Man because Sony said no to their deal.
Obviously, Disney (probably hesitantly) agreeing to getting only 25% of the profits from the films with Sony agreeing to that gave Sony the opportunity to properly close out their first MCU trilogy in the way that it did, while subtly giving Disney a few middle fingers here and there such as referring to Tom Holland's Spider-Man as "Iron Man Jr" in the *_No Way Home_* film itself, and cutting him off from the safety net with the Avengers, making him completely independent just like classic Spider-Man.
I think public knowledge that Norman was green goblin was after Spider-Man 3 and the reason Otto knew is because he was a scientist he just kept quiet for Peter and Harry’s sake because he knew that they were close at least that my opinion also I think electro knew because of Gwen screaming PETER and then cut to electro opening his eyes coupled that harry broke him out and that he knows spider man he connected the dots and deduced the Peter Parker was spider he just didn’t know what he looked like under the mask
Harry was seen throwing pumpkin bombs and riding a glider similar to his fathers, it is likely that after harry’s death it was revealed that his father Norman was the green goblin that goes for sandman i have no idea for otto.
Class video! I've been looking for a quality Tobey mask replica for a while. Just wondering where you got yours?
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"If there were any scenes that'd elate this movie to being better, they would've kept them in the original cut"
*laughs in TASM1*
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Saying Nana Lola is basically a replication of the Chai Tea ATSV scene 🤣 As a Wasian Filipino, Lola means grandmother so ur saying it twice like how u say Chai not Chai Tea in the ATSV scene. Just found that funny
I'm pretty sure norman told Ock about what he was going through off screen of no way home snice there are friends he probably just open himself to let 9co know how he feels
I absolutely loved this movie
As a close friend of Tom, I can confirm the phone story was real. It wasn’t a breach of NDA since there was nothing against the NDA that was broken.
Ock never said norman was killed being the green goblin he just said he died which I'm sure ock would know norman death would be made public they wouldn't say how they would just say spiderman killed him by harry
I think it was pretty clear that Flash got into MIT because he's not actually Peters friend and people realize that. I believe there's a line after Flash asks, "You guys didn't get in?" And Ned replies "Yeah, because we're actually friends with Spider-Man." Also I don't think Peter chose not to tell Ned and MJ who he was because it would be difficult to convince them, he didn't tell them because he realized they were kind of better off without him in their lives. Free from the constant threat of danger that being friends with Spider-Man brings. Which is even more gut wrenching.
And it undoes Ned and MJ's character development. I hate the ending of this movie
@33:36 you mean *geometry* not geography I’m sure 😊
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you forgot to mention that vemon left part of himself in the mcu
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13:18 had me dead af
When I saw May's death in theater it felt a little hollow to me as I didn't really get to know her all that well in the movies she was in and Nwh felt like it was trying to fix that it also doesn't help how long it actually took May for her injuries to affect her.
@Herb Coswell it's probably because I wasn't a fan of what the mvu fid with her but I have the dvd(the first one) and every rewatch it gets better but initially it wasn't there
@TheOutsider Jess That. that right there is the reason why you thought it felt hollow. you just didn't accept may from the very beginning. mcu aunt may prob had the most screentime than any other may.
that just didn't make her a senile wise lady but instead made her a friend. if you just ignore other versions and look at this version for what it is. this aunt may supported peter and was there with him throughout his journey so far.
as much as i love the original tobey Spider-Man 1 which did the origin perfectly . mcu Spider-Man definitely did a great job in fleshing out the responsibility and sacrifice themes by slowly starting from minor issues like missing dates and quiz competitions to getting his friends lives in danger and losing aunt may.
also..not feeling for may thing made me realise something...didn't uncle ben eat a bullet after showing up in like 2 ,3 scenes in the original trilogy?
@@rohithkumar8708 I disagree with you outside of homecoming her screentime was used as a gag to make jokes about Peter's powers the summer fling with happy and her pushing Peter to be spiderman which doesn't make sense after half thd world snapped. Something Nwh called her out on but when she is able to just be his aunt she was amazing if I saw more of that and less of the mcu humor she would have been my second favorite Aunt may. I wouldn't have cried as Insomniac really put me through the ringer emotionally but I would have felt something. It had more to do with the writing and less to do with the acting because Tom was great and So was Aunt May
@@rohithkumar8708 My favorite Aunt May is Tasm Aunt May Sally fields felt like an actual Aunt. No offense to the og May if she didn't feel so iconic she would be my least favorite version of May there was no connection unfortunately. Mcu May is a writting issue which i didn't gel with at all
@@theoutsiderjess1869Doesn't change the fact that MCU Aunt May had 3 movies of screentime. Totalling at least an hour while Uncle Ben in Raimi and Webb's versions had only a handful of scenes (TASM did a great job utilizing that time though.. no comment on Raimi's 😅). Which is the character I feel it makes more sense to compare her to in context of NWH. Since she essentially fills both roles. Personally it made the difference of me feeling for Peter when his Uncle died in Raimi and, especially, Webb vs. Feeling bad for Peter but also mourning the loss of May herself as a character.
While the mid credits scene with Tom hardy was really, REALLY bad. I’m not convinced we won’t ever see Tom hardy and Tom Holland ever interact in the future. With the college trilogy in development, and marvel and SONY seemingly in a better relationship and Kevin Feige collaborating with SONY on the future Sony universe movies, I believe we will see Tom Hardy venom show back up into the MCU to finally face off against Tom Holland in Tom’s eventual symbiote saga. Weather it be madame web bridging the universe or Secret wars bridging the universes, we will have to see. It will be exciting to see though.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Tom holland saving Spiderman was bullshit to get gullible fans to bully Sony to keep Spidey in the Mcu
So you would rank this the third best Spider-Man movie? I personally have it as no.2
It's hard to rank them really but I wouldn't rank it as high as Spider-Man 1, 2, 3 or Into the Spider-Verse.
@@ChannelPup Hot Take putting S1 & S3 over it channel pup lol
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44:18 song name in background?
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I'm here from Sonic Frontiers.
What is the music used at 22:11?
I think you meant Geometry not Geography.
I remember i didn't believe those John Campea leaks for a second. Nuh uh. They had to just be expertly crafted deepfakes. When i saw the movie and saw those same leaked shots in the movie my brain blew up lol
What you forget is Disney would be 50% part of the budget. They would put money to get money back , just like they put 5% of their money
Strange doing the spell isn't really out of his character strange is kind of like tony where he think do something without any problems I do agree should have really told strange about he want to do before the spell but remember there a pause before strange cast the spell so Peter could have said anything before strange literally could have cast the spelling argee with you on some things though other I disagree
I think what could have made this a little more believable is if Peter had interrupted Strange as he was in the middle of something. He decided to help but kind of rushed through briefing Peter and casting the spell because his mind was elsewhere. (Doesn't really matter what was distracting him, surely you could make up some mystical reason for it)
dude said geography instead of geometry