I was so honored and proud to see a picture of my good friend and fellow OIF2 Veteran Maurice Warner. We went through Boot camp NMCB23 and Iraq R.I.P. my SEABEE Brother. BU2 Clifton B Randolph Sr.
Seabees are just a very small tight nit community so it's hard to find info cause it's like a numbers game. Since there isn't a large number of us there isn't a lot of people pushing for this type of stuff is all
UTs had a lot of acronyms with their rates first I heard that but good one and a fit all for many. In Sigonella years ago, we couldn’t use equipment so shovels and pick axes to dig fire hydrants for a few miles. So they were “Unlimited Trenchers”. CAN DO. (this back in 83)
CM-3 Served in two campains in Vietnam 69-70 was awarded a Navy accommodation for outstanding performance of Duty while detached to Operation Giant Slingshot in Macony Delta. Will always be a proud Seabee. "CanDo"
Hoorah Seabee! CM3 (SCW), Did 1 tour in KAF (Afghanistan) as CSE in 2011. Also was on a det to the Philippines in 09-10. The difficult we do at once, the impossible takes a bit longer. But we "CanDo".
I love those US Naval Jack's on their left shoulders! Given all the absurdities regarding our various services, this is finally something done right! ⚓️🇺🇸
The Seabee Museum has some great content (thanks for the Quonset hut history and manuals!). Construction is key to victory since before Roman soldiers built mobile and fixed fortifications. If possible a fine addition would be complete construction videos for our old friend the SWA hut in which thousands of deployed G.I.s lived and worked, ditto the SEA hut. As these are built for training leaving some cameras on tripods for time lapse shots would be easy. Without Seabees there would be no deployed basing in many areas and they were key to winning the Pacific war and building necessary basing for subsequent constabulary missions around the globe. Most career G.I.s spend at least a little time in something Seabees built no matter our service. My thanks to you all for the comfortable accomodations!
my pop's was a Seabee WWII in the Philippines . in 1982 i went to the Navy recruiter to be a Seabee too he did not know what i was talking about so i never went in
I was a UT for 20 years love the Bees and a great time, NMCB-1, PW Rota Spain, UT C1 Advance school Instructor, NMCB-1, NCR 20th Gulfport Ms, NSU Moscow Russia - that ends the 20 years.
@@gh0stt997 Good deal Deontae. Well learned how to be a Plumber and to work on Air Conditioning systems. I also learned a lot about the other Seabee rates as well. You will learn more about the UT rate when you get to A School. Good luck you are off to great things in your life.
Yeah, I know. I was EO-3, JT Ward with NMCB -1 last unit at Davisville RI, 1974 I miss it . But no one ever asks who built the runways on Diego Garcia ? We Did. Wish I could talk to LT Gerald Chrow once more. He taught me how to be the best leader no matter what.
I used to go see movies and other events at what is now the Seabee Museum. 1966 As a matter of fact, they had us fall in and march over to the Hueneme theater to watch John Wayne in "The Fighting Seabees." M M
Station in Gulfport right after hurricane 1969 working to restore old barracks just out of A school. Being a newby they told me to go downstairs to get a pipe stretcher. Went down there then the guy asked me go back up stairs and find out what size!
My MCJROTC SgtMaj told me about two gems in the military: Coast Guard, and Seabees. Now looking to join the latter option, and the video certainly helps Thanks SgtMaj Mastriano
I wonder if CE is still a closed rate ? I passed the test for CE 1 the last 27 times I took it and never got it : ( Tow years on a ship and 20 as a reserve CB .Retired in 1991 that was when they changed it that you had to make rate but left a bunch of us older second class stay if we where short .
So I’m a marine veteran studying civil engineering. I’m just curious if I become an officer will I be able to design and create, or it’s more like a construction management ?
We actually had a few ENs assigned to Amphibious Construction Battalion Two. The Amphibious Seabees have several fleet rates assigned to them, but after their duty assignment, they rotate back into their normal rotation for their rate, and are not considered Seabees. It's like temporarily being an honorary Seabee because while you're there, you wear all the Seabee uniform and gear, and are an integral part of the Seabee Battalion. Just technically, you are not one of the official Seabee rates that remains in normal Seabee assignments. It's the same way for Mobile Construction Battalions. We have support rates from the fleet, like Gunners Mates to manage the armory and weapons, Postal Clerks, Personnelmen, Yeomen, Mess Specialists, Master at Arms, Hospital Corpsmen, StoreKeepers, Photographer Mates, Dental Techs, Journalists, etc. Some of these fleet rates don't adapt well to the Bees and others love it. Some learn to love it after their time is up, and they realize what a unique gig it was, and now they have to go back to their fleet sea/shore rotation. I saw a comment the other day where a gunners mate claimed that his rate was a Seabee rate because he served in a battalion. I had to burst his bubble, and explain there are only 7 official Seabee rates and Gunners Mate is not one of them. I did however, thank him for serving with us, and admitted that of all the fleet rates, the gunners mates seem to adapt the best. I think it's because of the experience they get in a land based unit, with traditional combat arms, and our field exercises are more akin to the Marine Corp than the battle training and weaponry that ship board sailors get.
@Philosophically Skeptical haha, very true. But coming from a GSE2 over to an EO brings a lot of that knowledge over too. As an EOC, or any Chief in the seabees for that matter, really see the point of all the ratings and treat them as a whole be it as an engineering assistant or running a mixed bag of nutballs with old Marine firearms. Still, they did leave out the EO's which is still very much sought after and had the only signing bonuses at the time due to those "Licenses" that are harder than you think to get. I finally just got that CDL off the license so I could stop taking the tests that were pretty much HAZWOPER classes by now.
@Philosophically Skeptical you get licenses from the state you're from and you're exempt from the cost of the exam Also most employers look at the code on your 214 and check related sanctioned Bodies like AWS who said that I was covered.. I still walk beams to this day
“Ratings”… not “Rates”. One’s Rate is their paygrade (rank in the other forces)… as in rate of pay. One holds a rate at PO3 and above. E1-E3 are non-rates because they literally don’t “rate” until they are a PO. However, one’s “Rating” is job or “specialty”, what they are trained, skilled, and paid to do (UT, BU, SW, CE…). A UT2 is rated as a Petty Officer Second Class with a rating of UT.
I understood for 20 years and 29 days of active duty that rate and rank are different. Your rank is your pay grade and your rate is your job specialty, sometimes casually referred to as rating. My rate was SW or Steelworker. Remember having to state your rate, rank, name, and service number, but never state your rate as a prisoner of war, only your name, rank, and service number.
Do Seabees usually get deployed on ships ?? Got turned down at Air Force for tatttos so exploring other options. Always been iffy about being in the ocean though lol especially for months
@@mikevincent2811 Even in an Amphib battalion, there are only four teams of 29 men who rotate doing deployments on the ships. The rest of the battalion remains in homeport. The battalion is split about 50-50 into a sea duty side and shore duty billets. Supposedly, only the sea duty guys deploy if there is an OUTUS exercise. I was shore duty side with ACB2 but got deployed anyway during the Gulf War, and also was deployed to Honduras for an MPF Offload Exercise. I got ripped off big time for my shore duty tour. Went from there, back to another Mobile Battalion. Actually, I served in four consecutive battalions, counting the Amphibious Battalion.
Shouldn’t it be Rating? I’m old so maybe definitions have changed… (The rating badge is a combination of RATE, pay grade, as indicated by the chevrons) and RATING, occupational specialty, as indicated by the symbol just above the chevrons).
Anyone know if I can join the Seabees with a dui on my record? I got the dui like 5 years ago. My recruiter said he’s looking into it but anyone on here know the answer to this? I know I can’t be an EO. What about other jobs in the Seabees though? I really want the BU job if it’s available to me
The officers are part of the CEC or Civil Engineering Corp, and yes, that is the Seabee area of commissioned officers. You work in or command Seabee units, depending on your rank. You could be a Battalion Commanding Officer with the rank of Commander, and possibly even Lt. Commander. There are junior officers that serve under the Commanding Officer and Executive Officer. You could be CO of a Public Works Facility, or a Construction Battalion Unit, which is somewhat like a scaled down battalion. The CBUs tend to focus on specialized training, like setting up and maintaining Field Hospital Units. By no means are CBUs limited to Field Hospitals, but that's a huge focus of theirs.
Brian Swezey CE NMCB 74. 81-86. Then CBU 420 and Gitmo Maintenance Div, CBU 414, NSGA Adak, again NMCB 74 and finally TTGP Pt Loma. Was B Co and Air Det at Rota, Spain 85, 86 deployment. I remember you from the cruise book pic operating a monster front end loader. So long ago. 😎
@@thomasjohnson7735 I was NMCB 74 from Jan 82 to Mar 84. I deployed to Det Sasebo and Det GITMO. I EAOSed from Gitmo in 84, then rejoined several months later and had to start my battalion time over with NMCB 1. I ended up doing 4 consecutive battalions. It was brutal, but a ton of fun too! ~SW1 Tim Allen Retired
Don't need one ....I've been working in my trade for years once they see your 214 it's all the civilian construction companies want to see Brown and Root is literally waiting for you on broad street
@@christheisgen2979 I’m a current union millwright (industrial mechanic). Nothing is wrong with serving the country fam. I did 6 years as a combat engineer in the army before I jumped into construction and I faired damn well. I’m on here because I want to get back in and get another retirement outside of the union. Don’t downplay the skills these cats learn. I’ve met hella sea bees that joined an apprentice s as a journeyman because they met industry standards lol
xnavy seabee jax navy base part time lost filled 9/11 fire 00 retirement trash pick jax navy base cook ad food clean water cut grass painted house close base done did all e3e4 on retiremant 9/11 retiremant paul c taylor drug war sub hunt bus uso job in navy send kids off war paul c taylor 8 year navy part time boot camp ga army navy change maid jax navy base fl wings seabee paul like it fly emt seabee
Seabee Vet here. Was an EO and after I was done I have never been out of a job. Had a blast and proud to have served in such a great unit.
I was so honored and proud to see a picture of my good friend and fellow OIF2 Veteran Maurice Warner. We went through Boot camp NMCB23 and Iraq R.I.P. my SEABEE Brother. BU2 Clifton B Randolph Sr.
🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
I was an airborne infantryman in the army. I spent time at installations that Seabees built. I have nothing but respect for them.
We look at our fellow Seabees as brothers... despite age, rank, or rating...
and our sisters.
Navy’s red headed step children. Lucky to have served my time as a bee.
Underrated channel, hard to find anything on Seabees!
Seabees are just a very small tight nit community so it's hard to find info cause it's like a numbers game. Since there isn't a large number of us there isn't a lot of people pushing for this type of stuff is all
@Philosophically Skeptical This is a very seabee answer lol
I’m gonna make videos on my experience! I ship out July 26th as a UT
@@DWilsonFitness I have questions about UT
@@yeison9497 what’s up
UTs are "unlimited talent" lol the madlad actually said it!
UTs had a lot of acronyms with their rates first I heard that but good one and a fit all for many. In Sigonella years ago, we couldn’t use equipment so shovels and pick axes to dig fire hydrants for a few miles. So they were “Unlimited Trenchers”. CAN DO. (this back in 83)
Useless Technician
Thanks for sharing very informative! My son just enlisted seabees UT.
CM-3 Served in two campains in Vietnam 69-70 was awarded a Navy accommodation for outstanding performance of Duty while detached to Operation Giant Slingshot in Macony Delta. Will always be a proud Seabee. "CanDo"
Hoorah Seabee! CM3 (SCW), Did 1 tour in KAF (Afghanistan) as CSE in 2011. Also was on a det to the Philippines in 09-10. The difficult we do at once, the impossible takes a bit longer. But we "CanDo".
I love those US Naval Jack's on their left shoulders! Given all the absurdities regarding our various services, this is finally something done right! ⚓️🇺🇸
The Seabee Museum has some great content (thanks for the Quonset hut history and manuals!). Construction is key to victory since before Roman soldiers built mobile and fixed fortifications. If possible a fine addition would be complete construction videos for our old friend the SWA hut in which thousands of deployed G.I.s lived and worked, ditto the SEA hut. As these are built for training leaving some cameras on tripods for time lapse shots would be easy. Without Seabees there would be no deployed basing in many areas and they were key to winning the Pacific war and building necessary basing for subsequent constabulary missions around the globe. Most career G.I.s spend at least a little time in something Seabees built no matter our service. My thanks to you all for the comfortable accomodations!
My dad was a Seabee in the Philippines , Hawaii, and other places......would be 101 years old if he was still alive....
my pop's was a Seabee WWII in the Philippines .
in 1982 i went to the Navy recruiter to be a Seabee too he did not know what i was talking about so i never went in
I enjoyed my time as a Sea Bee equipment operator.
This is the job I got since it was the only available how was it , what did you typically do?
@@estebangarcia968 I'm an eo aswell just left a school u gonna have fun there
I got EO school because it was only school offered to Navy Reservist 😂
Unlimited Talent!!!
BU3, 88-94. NMCB-3 to CBU-417 Whidbey Island. BU's BU's can't be beat! Swinging that hammer and playing in the 'crete!
I was a UT for 20 years love the Bees and a great time, NMCB-1, PW Rota Spain, UT C1 Advance school Instructor, NMCB-1, NCR 20th Gulfport Ms, NSU Moscow Russia - that ends the 20 years.
Can you tell me more about your experience with ut cause that’s my job and I leave off to basics August 18
@@gh0stt997 Good deal Deontae. Well learned how to be a Plumber and to work on Air Conditioning systems. I also learned a lot about the other Seabee rates as well. You will learn more about the UT rate when you get to A School. Good luck you are off to great things in your life.
NMCB1 Charlie Co SW checking in
What years were you active? I was also a 20 year Seabee, NMCB-1 and PWD Rota.
@@mikehoncho7165 NMBC-1 twice 89-92, 2000-2003, Rota PWD 92-03.
Yeah, I know. I was EO-3, JT Ward with NMCB -1 last unit at Davisville RI, 1974 I miss it . But no one ever asks who built the runways on Diego Garcia ? We Did. Wish I could talk to LT Gerald Chrow once more. He taught me how to be the best leader no matter what.
Shipmate...Charlie 1 in Gulfport MS
I left D-Ville in September of 74. I was with 40 but stayed after they changed homeport in June for Millworker C school
CM2 87-97. NMCB 74, 20TH NCR and back to 74. I did end up retiring Army, but in my heart, always a Bee. P.S. my son is now a CM2 in 3
I was in one at or around the time you was in a few buildings down
Who do you pull for during the Army vs Navy football game
I used to go see movies and other events at what is now the Seabee Museum. 1966
As a matter of fact, they had us fall in and march over to the Hueneme theater to watch John Wayne in "The Fighting Seabees."
M
M
Just enlisted last week and picked NAT/UT. Unlimited Talent on the way in February
You might see me as a fellow UT around June or July 2020
How do you like it?
Good to see a couple guys i served with in NMCB 3 back in the day.
UT1 Cohara! Was one of my NMTs during CM A School. Awesome video
Station in Gulfport right after hurricane 1969 working to restore old barracks just out of A school. Being a newby they told me to go downstairs to get a pipe stretcher. Went down there then the guy asked me go back up stairs and find out what size!
Those pranks are still going!
My MCJROTC SgtMaj told me about two gems in the military: Coast Guard, and Seabees. Now looking to join the latter option, and the video certainly helps
Thanks SgtMaj Mastriano
Philosophically Skeptical are you that fucking stupid
What if you have a GED and 2years welding degree is that enough to possibly get in the bees?
I would like to do underwater welding if I can
Yes you can. You just have to go to a recruiting office and pass the ADVAB which is very easy
I always do the BU
SW Charlie 1 checking in 👍
I wonder if CE is still a closed rate ? I passed the test for CE 1 the last 27 times I took it and never got it : ( Tow years on a ship and 20 as a reserve CB .Retired in 1991 that was when they changed it that you had to make rate but left a bunch of us older second class stay if we where short .
Going to be a cb next year as a ut which is cool
So I’m a marine veteran studying civil engineering. I’m just curious if I become an officer will I be able to design and create, or it’s more like a construction management ?
Is it possible to cross rate to seabees? Currently an EN and i want CM
Yes. Go for it!
We actually had a few ENs assigned to Amphibious Construction Battalion Two. The Amphibious Seabees have several fleet rates assigned to them, but after their duty assignment, they rotate back into their normal rotation for their rate, and are not considered Seabees. It's like temporarily being an honorary Seabee because while you're there, you wear all the Seabee uniform and gear, and are an integral part of the Seabee Battalion. Just technically, you are not one of the official Seabee rates that remains in normal Seabee assignments. It's the same way for Mobile Construction Battalions. We have support rates from the fleet, like Gunners Mates to manage the armory and weapons, Postal Clerks, Personnelmen, Yeomen, Mess Specialists, Master at Arms, Hospital Corpsmen, StoreKeepers, Photographer Mates, Dental Techs, Journalists, etc. Some of these fleet rates don't adapt well to the Bees and others love it. Some learn to love it after their time is up, and they realize what a unique gig it was, and now they have to go back to their fleet sea/shore rotation. I saw a comment the other day where a gunners mate claimed that his rate was a Seabee rate because he served in a battalion. I had to burst his bubble, and explain there are only 7 official Seabee rates and Gunners Mate is not one of them. I did however, thank him for serving with us, and admitted that of all the fleet rates, the gunners mates seem to adapt the best. I think it's because of the experience they get in a land based unit, with traditional combat arms, and our field exercises are more akin to the Marine Corp than the battle training and weaponry that ship board sailors get.
did we forget EO?
@Philosophically Skeptical it's still a Seabee rate . a lowlife SW must have been in charge of making this. or a Bum BU LMFAo ...HOORAH Alpha Company!
@Philosophically Skeptical So says mama's basement dweller
@Philosophically Skeptical haha, very true. But coming from a GSE2 over to an EO brings a lot of that knowledge over too. As an EOC, or any Chief in the seabees for that matter, really see the point of all the ratings and treat them as a whole be it as an engineering assistant or running a mixed bag of nutballs with old Marine firearms. Still, they did leave out the EO's which is still very much sought after and had the only signing bonuses at the time due to those "Licenses" that are harder than you think to get. I finally just got that CDL off the license so I could stop taking the tests that were pretty much HAZWOPER classes by now.
@@sillybee8757 its Oooh Rah and I'm proud to have earned my Beam- n- Hook
Alpha and Hotel are no different than CEC .....wannabees
@Philosophically Skeptical you get licenses from the state you're from and you're exempt from the cost of the exam
Also most employers look at the code on your 214 and check related sanctioned Bodies like AWS who said that I was covered..
I still walk beams to this day
“Ratings”… not “Rates”. One’s Rate is their paygrade (rank in the other forces)… as in rate of pay. One holds a rate at PO3 and above. E1-E3 are non-rates because they literally don’t “rate” until they are a PO. However, one’s “Rating” is job or “specialty”, what they are trained, skilled, and paid to do (UT, BU, SW, CE…). A UT2 is rated as a Petty Officer Second Class with a rating of UT.
I understood for 20 years and 29 days of active duty that rate and rank are different. Your rank is your pay grade and your rate is your job specialty, sometimes casually referred to as rating. My rate was SW or Steelworker. Remember having to state your rate, rank, name, and service number, but never state your rate as a prisoner of war, only your name, rank, and service number.
I went to MEPS today and receive the BU rate! As a female, any advice? 👀
You'll have hard times but also great times. Enjoy your time as a Seabee! I did.
@@Flernaffinor Thank you 🐝🔨
Yeah, sleep your way to the top!
I knew a lot of great female Seabees. Do your best and learn all you can.
Forgot about the best rate in the seabees, a heavy equipment operator
That first guys name is “corona” Lucky duck
UNLIMITED TALENT also turd chasers
Do Seabees usually get deployed on ships ?? Got turned down at Air Force for tatttos so exploring other options. Always been iffy about being in the ocean though lol especially for months
No not at all Seabees are land based. Very rarely you’ll find them on ships.
Most Seabee units are air mobile. ;)
Only if you are with an amphibious battalion and only then not very long. Usually builders and engineering aids don’t get assigned to fib battalions.
@@mikevincent2811 Even in an Amphib battalion, there are only four teams of 29 men who rotate doing deployments on the ships. The rest of the battalion remains in homeport. The battalion is split about 50-50 into a sea duty side and shore duty billets. Supposedly, only the sea duty guys deploy if there is an OUTUS exercise. I was shore duty side with ACB2 but got deployed anyway during the Gulf War, and also was deployed to Honduras for an MPF Offload Exercise. I got ripped off big time for my shore duty tour. Went from there, back to another Mobile Battalion. Actually, I served in four consecutive battalions, counting the Amphibious Battalion.
@@tangoindiamike9189 what battalions I was in forty from 73-77, RNMCB 2 from 77-93 and CBMU303 from 94-98
Shouldn’t it be Rating? I’m old so maybe definitions have changed… (The rating badge is a combination of RATE, pay grade, as indicated by the chevrons) and RATING, occupational specialty, as indicated by the symbol just above the chevrons).
Whats life like as a SW with a BIG non destructive testing background?
Ok! Next time a run down on E O rate.
Where is anything about the Equipment Operators? Chopped liver?
Anyone know if I can join the Seabees with a dui on my record? I got the dui like 5 years ago. My recruiter said he’s looking into it but anyone on here know the answer to this? I know I can’t be an EO. What about other jobs in the Seabees though? I really want the BU job if it’s available to me
If a recruiter doesn't know how would anyone else
Brian Swezey maybe a current Seabee who also had a dui in the past would see this comment and could answer based on their personal experience with it.
@@sureshotscott3274 well good luck anyways but it's hard to get into the bees.
Yes you can. I had one and I’m about to get in as a cm and I’m prior service too
Swezey
Navy occupations are called RATINGS, not rates.
Can you pick to become a seabee as a officer?
The officers are part of the CEC or Civil Engineering Corp, and yes, that is the Seabee area of commissioned officers. You work in or command Seabee units, depending on your rank. You could be a Battalion Commanding Officer with the rank of Commander, and possibly even Lt. Commander. There are junior officers that serve under the Commanding Officer and Executive Officer. You could be CO of a Public Works Facility, or a Construction Battalion Unit, which is somewhat like a scaled down battalion. The CBUs tend to focus on specialized training, like setting up and maintaining Field Hospital Units. By no means are CBUs limited to Field Hospitals, but that's a huge focus of theirs.
Hold up!! That guy’s name tag though, “Corona” no hate though. I’m just kidding around.
Yeah, that never gets old, lol
EO MNCB 74 and Gulfport Training center ,78to 83 5 years....
Brian Swezey CE NMCB 74. 81-86. Then CBU 420 and Gitmo Maintenance Div, CBU 414, NSGA Adak, again NMCB 74 and finally TTGP Pt Loma. Was B Co and Air Det at Rota, Spain 85, 86 deployment. I remember you from the cruise book pic operating a monster front end loader. So long ago. 😎
No it was the Caribbean deployment. You're filling a 20 ton dump.
@@thomasjohnson7735 I was NMCB 74 from Jan 82 to Mar 84. I deployed to Det Sasebo and Det GITMO. I EAOSed from Gitmo in 84, then rejoined several months later and had to start my battalion time over with NMCB 1. I ended up doing 4 consecutive battalions. It was brutal, but a ton of fun too! ~SW1 Tim Allen Retired
What's the song that playing?
Dizzy Dellz Song is ‘French Lemonade’ by ‘Senpai Ru’
Gotcha bro
Do Seabees go through the Army 12P school?
NAVY "A" School
SeaBees are NAVY hence the SEA! SeaBees stand for CB-- Construction Battalion
No the army comes to our schools. NMCB 28 BU1 YSAIS 2000 -20009
Sorry, EA is also a Seebee rate. WTH. Sorry I checked this video out. EA1
@jamesbibel4031 the EAs are mentioned, although briefly.
Can l get a trade certificate from seebee?
Don't need one ....I've been working in my trade for years once they see your 214 it's all the civilian construction companies want to see
Brown and Root is literally waiting for you on broad street
@@christheisgen2979 I’m a current union millwright (industrial mechanic). Nothing is wrong with serving the country fam. I did 6 years as a combat engineer in the army before I jumped into construction and I faired damn well. I’m on here because I want to get back in and get another retirement outside of the union. Don’t downplay the skills these cats learn. I’ve met hella sea bees that joined an apprentice s as a journeyman because they met industry standards lol
@@MichaelScreamMachineEvans 214? Also did you go through the USMAP apprenticeship route too?
can you get GUARANTEE seabee
xnavy seabee jax navy base part time lost filled 9/11 fire 00 retirement trash pick jax navy base cook ad food clean water cut grass painted house close base done did all e3e4 on retiremant 9/11 retiremant paul c taylor drug war sub hunt bus uso job in navy send kids off war paul c taylor 8 year navy part time boot camp ga army navy change maid jax navy base fl wings seabee paul like it fly emt seabee
You never wrote evaluations, that's for sure!
just say no !!!!