The dairy goat side already has a pretty good system between the typing, linear appraisal and DHI. I have always used it to find new additions and run test breedings. I would love to see something similar with the meat side. Too bad the boer association doesn’t start an appraisal program choosing traits useful to that industry. A score based on traits like loin, twist, rack, muscle to bone ratio etc. dna would be a great plus but a lot can be done with a good assessment program like the adga has been doing for a long time. I’m trying to get into the meat side and I find it frustrating that it’s so far behind the dairy side in researching stats for animals I’m considering. Having dna is a start though and thanks for the info on who to use.
I mean shoot, look at any cattle sale and all the data in a sale book. I agree, I think we need more data. Look how easy it is to make a purchase and for that decision to set you back for a few years while culling that animal and their progeny for that issue. There's too much "picture" decisions. For me my mindset has changed the last year. We went from commercial to wanting all registered fullbloods. Now I just want to raise a good quality animal for everyone. I agree as my own stigma is that ABGA gives off a little nose in the air "we're registered show goats" feel. As you two mentioned in the last video, look at what the ABGA side has done to the goat and what they think it should look like, honestly we're no better than the goofy looking wether industry in our own way.
Good points Brandon but nothing is fool proof. If we get too wrapped up in breeding animals by how they look on paper (all those numbers!) we sometimes end up with disaster. The beef bull with crooked legs that are photo shopped for the semen sales catalogue. The dairy goat who has been bred to produce milk for hundreds of years and now cannot reproduce. I look at the deer in our back yard and am in awe of their conformation and jaw dropping beauty. There I am doing chores thinking to myself how can I get my goats to look that good. Mother nature does a better job.
The Canadian Meat Goat association has always DNA tested registered goats albeit, randomly, for parentage. It is supposed to keep breeders honest and make the herd book as accurate as possible. We also have a world class type evaluation program. We used to be able to participate in the Goat Herd Improvement program through Kentucky State university. When Ontario Goat still had government funding we were able to have our herd genotyped for scrapie resistance and sensitivity. These are all tools available to any breeder. yes, you do have to pay for it. Not many people participate in these programs. You are going to have a very long wait to have enough data on Boer goats. Not saying it's not a good thing. Patience and perseverance are virtues.
The dairy goat side already has a pretty good system between the typing, linear appraisal and DHI. I have always used it to find new additions and run test breedings. I would love to see something similar with the meat side. Too bad the boer association doesn’t start an appraisal program choosing traits useful to that industry. A score based on traits like loin, twist, rack, muscle to bone ratio etc. dna would be a great plus but a lot can be done with a good assessment program like the adga has been doing for a long time. I’m trying to get into the meat side and I find it frustrating that it’s so far behind the dairy side in researching stats for animals I’m considering. Having dna is a start though and thanks for the info on who to use.
I mean shoot, look at any cattle sale and all the data in a sale book. I agree, I think we need more data. Look how easy it is to make a purchase and for that decision to set you back for a few years while culling that animal and their progeny for that issue. There's too much "picture" decisions.
For me my mindset has changed the last year. We went from commercial to wanting all registered fullbloods. Now I just want to raise a good quality animal for everyone. I agree as my own stigma is that ABGA gives off a little nose in the air "we're registered show goats" feel. As you two mentioned in the last video, look at what the ABGA side has done to the goat and what they think it should look like, honestly we're no better than the goofy looking wether industry in our own way.
Good points Brandon but nothing is fool proof. If we get too wrapped up in breeding animals by how they look on paper (all those numbers!) we sometimes end up with disaster. The beef bull with crooked legs that are photo shopped for the semen sales catalogue. The dairy goat who has been bred to produce milk for hundreds of years and now cannot reproduce. I look at the deer in our back yard and am in awe of their conformation and jaw dropping beauty. There I am doing chores thinking to myself how can I get my goats to look that good. Mother nature does a better job.
@@tjjurake3506 Very Good points, all good in moderation.
Yes sir
@@tjjurake3506 agree Its a very dangerous useful tool .. the big question is do we know enough to make the correct choices
@@juanpieterse4075 a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
The Canadian Meat Goat association has always DNA tested registered goats albeit, randomly, for parentage. It is supposed to keep breeders honest and make the herd book as accurate as possible. We also have a world class type evaluation program. We used to be able to participate in the Goat Herd Improvement program through Kentucky State university. When Ontario Goat still had government funding we were able to have our herd genotyped for scrapie resistance and sensitivity. These are all tools available to any breeder. yes, you do have to pay for it. Not many people participate in these programs. You are going to have a very long wait to have enough data on Boer goats. Not saying it's not a good thing. Patience and perseverance are virtues.