I think Nora not bring reassuring to Arthur is consistent with her character. Even as a kid and adult, she never really considered Hae Sung’s feelings. This is her. It’s not personal. Even with her own emotions, she just stuff it down after moving to Canada. It is only at the end that she is relearning how to release her emotions.
There's a difference between not being reassuring and being deliberately autistic. Some answers feel like they were inserted in order to add some obvious tension but they don't feel connected to any recognizable reality nor are they even the most interesting route to take. (Also, the boyfriend in particular feels like such a film creation.) She obviously felt the need to add these detached elements because the film is already very low stakes and without them, they would be even lower...but it also sacrifices the authenticity and some potentially more compelling pieces in the process.
@@jamk2668 What is "deliberately autistic"? Of course i know you're implying her detached behaviour is "autistic". Funny how non-autistic people behave like that, yet you decided to equate that with autism. What's really compelling is the question of why you decided to frame being autistic as something negative/emotionally detached, and something someone can choose to be. Do better.
Mansplaining Nora is not a good idea. Seems men do not consider her childhood friend might have been trapped into a cultural male role that he could not step out of because he had no role models
@twittertwice I'm not sure about your point since we are talking about her relationship with/treatment of Arthur. But clearly, I'm not manexplaining as much as thinking out loud to understand her motivations. Never claim to have the answer.
I love this movie and I love all three of our main characters. It's so refreshing and moving to see a movie about thoughtful, caring adults navigating an emotionally complicated situation with compassion and maturity. Even though I feel Na Young/Nora's heartbreak at the end, I left the movie feeling optimistic that she won't always have a hole in her heart. She tells us that she learned to stop crying when she immigrated and left Hae Sung because she felt no one cared. She created an American version of herself that didn't fully grieve. But in the end, she's with Arthur and she lets herself cry again. To me that means that she's a)willing to fully feel her emotions and b)trusts Arthur with those feelings. I think she will grieve the end of her relationship with Hae Sung and eventually heal from that pain. I think she and Arthur will continue to build a strong, loving marriage together. And Hae Sung will move on without her and build his own fulfilling life. I just liked all of them so much, so I can only envision good things for their fictional future. Great reaction - keep them coming!
Her crying at the end was huge. She cried as a child, she called herself a crybaby then stopped because no one cared. Then cries with her husband. It's sad letting your past go, everyone has a past.
I am so glad you both reacted to this. It's one of those movies that makes you hold your breath through out it. The moments of nostalgia like the playground, skype calls, and the bar were such powerful imagery that made me feel the time within the film was flying by, but the scenes themselves were a microscopic look into their lives and made us slow down. It's such a visceral realization that I think all of us feel, which is that many days feel long but by the time we sit down and be introspective, the leaves will have changed or you'll have hit another milestone birthday. Thanks for the great content as always and I look forward to seeing what both of you put out next.
It was truly great. The voyeurs in the bar framed the whole thing, and the voyeurs must be Americans, and Arthur is American another extension of the audience and his empathy is surprising but also inspires empathy from us, the viewers not only to himself, but also to both Na Young and Hae Sung who are acting quite selfishly relative to him, but necessarily so with respects to the core of their respective life's stories. Na Young is also interesting in that she is self-centered, not that she is incapable of empathy herself, but her life is about pursuing her ambitions -- her artistic American Dream, that she would never give up -- and was her primary reason why she would never run off with Hae Sung and leave New York. The men were parts of her life for sure, but a supporting cast to her leading role. And guess what, there's nothing so wrong with that up until that point (most men pursue their ambitions with their wives as supporting cast members); what's possible now after this intense episode is a deeper integration of her husband in her life. It is hinted that her play is autobiographical, but focused on her immigrant experience. We can imagine how much she figures in his writing, given what he said to her about how she made her world bigger. None of these are requirements for a successful marriage, but are interesting things to think about if we choose to be optimistic about them. As for Hae Sung, he has what he needs to move on and possibly re-create his life (not necessarily in a radical way, but perhaps radical from the sense of perspective).
in this year so far, my favorite films have been: Past Lives, Shortcoming, Into the Spiderverse, and Killers of the Flower Moon. I've noticed with myself that I'm gravitating more towards indie films. Shortcomings and Past Lives are definitely still my number 1 and 2 favorites. With Into the Spiderverse and Killers of the Flower Moon being 3 and 4 respectively. Jaby, if you and syntell havent seen it yet, I also recommend Shortcomings. Its Randall Park;s directorial debut and the actor who plays Number 5 in the Umbrella Academy is the male lead (Justin Min) and some other recognizable actors. :)
Great reaction and review/breakdown of how you all felt about this film! RE: In youn between Arthur and Hae Sung - in youn is not something that only connects people romantically. It's more of the idea of destiny/fate between people in general, friends, family, partners and strangers on the street. The in youn between Arthur and Hae Sung means they must have had many encounters in their past lives that led to their fate/destiny in their current life sitting at the bar together, like this moment and their interactions in this life was meant to be. To add onto some things that were mentioned about Arthur being the type of person to be chill with giving Nora the space to flush out what her relationship with Hae Sung is, like you mentioned, he went through it but I think the goal isn't being totally cool with it. More realistically, Arthur and Nora had very honest conversations of Arthur's feelings and his insecurities, it may seem like Nora didn't validate him but in her own way Nora was honest about how she is feeling. She seems to have already known that she in no way regrets her life with Arthur and is clearly secure in their relationship. Anyway TLDR, I think the beautiful thing about the related scenes is how they are able to have open and honest conversations knowing how secure you are in your partner even though Nora seems a little dense to her partner's subtle reactions/feelings which often mimics our reality and everyday life. Totally agree with your points on being more empathetic, patient, letting go of control. Similarly, going off on the concept of in youn, letting go of control and allowing/accepting that your decisions in this life and your past lives through in young has already pre-determined your life. The idea that we can achieve happiness/fulfillment if we allow ourselves to work through our feelings for the events in our lives but at the same time let go of certain things to move on and accept the in youn that life offers us. There was a quote from Nora's mom about letting go to allow the new to enter (but don't quote me on it). Loved this movie.
I love that it's about 3 emotionally mature adults wrestling with love and fidelity. We need to see more themes like this instead of the typical culture of cheap hookups and doing whatever I want no matter who it hurts
You guys were a huge disappointment. No understanding of culture and nuance, a bit misogynistic and damn you talked over important parts of the dialogue….
I think Nora not bring reassuring to Arthur is consistent with her character. Even as a kid and adult, she never really considered Hae Sung’s feelings. This is her. It’s not personal. Even with her own emotions, she just stuff it down after moving to Canada. It is only at the end that she is relearning how to release her emotions.
in other words, shes selfish.
There's a difference between not being reassuring and being deliberately autistic. Some answers feel like they were inserted in order to add some obvious tension but they don't feel connected to any recognizable reality nor are they even the most interesting route to take. (Also, the boyfriend in particular feels like such a film creation.) She obviously felt the need to add these detached elements because the film is already very low stakes and without them, they would be even lower...but it also sacrifices the authenticity and some potentially more compelling pieces in the process.
@@jamk2668 What is "deliberately autistic"? Of course i know you're implying her detached behaviour is "autistic". Funny how non-autistic people behave like that, yet you decided to equate that with autism.
What's really compelling is the question of why you decided to frame being autistic as something negative/emotionally detached, and something someone can choose to be. Do better.
Mansplaining Nora is not a good idea. Seems men do not consider her childhood friend might have been trapped into a cultural male role that he could not step out of because he had no role models
@twittertwice I'm not sure about your point since we are talking about her relationship with/treatment of Arthur. But clearly, I'm not manexplaining as much as thinking out loud to understand her motivations. Never claim to have the answer.
I love this movie and I love all three of our main characters. It's so refreshing and moving to see a movie about thoughtful, caring adults navigating an emotionally complicated situation with compassion and maturity. Even though I feel Na Young/Nora's heartbreak at the end, I left the movie feeling optimistic that she won't always have a hole in her heart.
She tells us that she learned to stop crying when she immigrated and left Hae Sung because she felt no one cared. She created an American version of herself that didn't fully grieve. But in the end, she's with Arthur and she lets herself cry again. To me that means that she's a)willing to fully feel her emotions and b)trusts Arthur with those feelings. I think she will grieve the end of her relationship with Hae Sung and eventually heal from that pain. I think she and Arthur will continue to build a strong, loving marriage together. And Hae Sung will move on without her and build his own fulfilling life.
I just liked all of them so much, so I can only envision good things for their fictional future. Great reaction - keep them coming!
Her crying at the end was huge. She cried as a child, she called herself a crybaby then stopped because no one cared. Then cries with her husband.
It's sad letting your past go, everyone has a past.
I am so glad you both reacted to this. It's one of those movies that makes you hold your breath through out it. The moments of nostalgia like the playground, skype calls, and the bar were such powerful imagery that made me feel the time within the film was flying by, but the scenes themselves were a microscopic look into their lives and made us slow down. It's such a visceral realization that I think all of us feel, which is that many days feel long but by the time we sit down and be introspective, the leaves will have changed or you'll have hit another milestone birthday. Thanks for the great content as always and I look forward to seeing what both of you put out next.
It was truly great. The voyeurs in the bar framed the whole thing, and the voyeurs must be Americans, and Arthur is American another extension of the audience and his empathy is surprising but also inspires empathy from us, the viewers not only to himself, but also to both Na Young and Hae Sung who are acting quite selfishly relative to him, but necessarily so with respects to the core of their respective life's stories. Na Young is also interesting in that she is self-centered, not that she is incapable of empathy herself, but her life is about pursuing her ambitions -- her artistic American Dream, that she would never give up -- and was her primary reason why she would never run off with Hae Sung and leave New York. The men were parts of her life for sure, but a supporting cast to her leading role. And guess what, there's nothing so wrong with that up until that point (most men pursue their ambitions with their wives as supporting cast members); what's possible now after this intense episode is a deeper integration of her husband in her life. It is hinted that her play is autobiographical, but focused on her immigrant experience. We can imagine how much she figures in his writing, given what he said to her about how she made her world bigger. None of these are requirements for a successful marriage, but are interesting things to think about if we choose to be optimistic about them. As for Hae Sung, he has what he needs to move on and possibly re-create his life (not necessarily in a radical way, but perhaps radical from the sense of perspective).
in this year so far, my favorite films have been: Past Lives, Shortcoming, Into the Spiderverse, and Killers of the Flower Moon. I've noticed with myself that I'm gravitating more towards indie films. Shortcomings and Past Lives are definitely still my number 1 and 2 favorites. With Into the Spiderverse and Killers of the Flower Moon being 3 and 4 respectively.
Jaby, if you and syntell havent seen it yet, I also recommend Shortcomings. Its Randall Park;s directorial debut and the actor who plays Number 5 in the Umbrella Academy is the male lead (Justin Min) and some other recognizable actors. :)
You should watch The Holdovers too - funny, sad, touching…
This movie seems interesting. I had no idea it existed. Thanks for your reaction and hard work.
Very brave of y’all to do this reaction. I cried twice during the 3rd act and that ending?😢
Past Lives and Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse are my 2 favorite films of the year so far
Went to watch Past Lives over Barbenheimer...... Best choice ever 😅
They are all different movies. Depending on your mood. It’s not so much one movie is better than another.
Didn’t Past Lives come out before Barbenheimer
@@r2d2rxr it did. The comment is just trying to be “edgy” for no reason
You can watch both past lives and oppenheimer but definitely good that you skipped oppenheimer
Great reaction and review/breakdown of how you all felt about this film! RE: In youn between Arthur and Hae Sung - in youn is not something that only connects people romantically. It's more of the idea of destiny/fate between people in general, friends, family, partners and strangers on the street. The in youn between Arthur and Hae Sung means they must have had many encounters in their past lives that led to their fate/destiny in their current life sitting at the bar together, like this moment and their interactions in this life was meant to be.
To add onto some things that were mentioned about Arthur being the type of person to be chill with giving Nora the space to flush out what her relationship with Hae Sung is, like you mentioned, he went through it but I think the goal isn't being totally cool with it. More realistically, Arthur and Nora had very honest conversations of Arthur's feelings and his insecurities, it may seem like Nora didn't validate him but in her own way Nora was honest about how she is feeling. She seems to have already known that she in no way regrets her life with Arthur and is clearly secure in their relationship. Anyway TLDR, I think the beautiful thing about the related scenes is how they are able to have open and honest conversations knowing how secure you are in your partner even though Nora seems a little dense to her partner's subtle reactions/feelings which often mimics our reality and everyday life. Totally agree with your points on being more empathetic, patient, letting go of control.
Similarly, going off on the concept of in youn, letting go of control and allowing/accepting that your decisions in this life and your past lives through in young has already pre-determined your life. The idea that we can achieve happiness/fulfillment if we allow ourselves to work through our feelings for the events in our lives but at the same time let go of certain things to move on and accept the in youn that life offers us. There was a quote from Nora's mom about letting go to allow the new to enter (but don't quote me on it).
Loved this movie.
"This is a very ADULT film."
Jaby: "Umm grown up. Grown up film."
Maybe you can watch "the witch part 1 : subversion" and "the witch part 2 : the other one" please
Great!
Ah, you're not on my algorithm for some reason so I'm 2 weeks late here.
I love that it's about 3 emotionally mature adults wrestling with love and fidelity. We need to see more themes like this instead of the typical culture of cheap hookups and doing whatever I want no matter who it hurts
Why is it inverted
To get past copywrite. Common thing.
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After all the reacts, I don't think this is something that anyone will be satisfied with, reaction-wise, unless done alone.
You guys were a huge disappointment. No understanding of culture and nuance, a bit misogynistic and damn you talked over important parts of the dialogue….
You do realize that is often how the editing is done. They're not simply talking over dialogue.
There’s just no way two 12 year old kids would hold onto something like this for so long. It’s such an unrealistic narrative.
you forgot the part where they reconnected to each other at 24 years old
Sure