Thank you very much mate! That is half the reason I am re-uploading some of the previous duel guides, as they originally had copyrighted content on them which meant that a) the videos could be removed from TH-cam at any time and b) that I cannot get partnership (had offers) without removing the copyrighted videos. Instead of just being a slacker and deleting them I have re-edited them (it took a while, longer than you'd think) so that people can still learn from my guides :)
Also good pts for Zumio, randomly found you and I instantly subbed! Anyway good pts for countering against combat readiness. Not having ur SS dot up and just waiting it out works best for me. I have been playing BM since cata b/c of spirit pet heals and SV(though not really during cata) since blizz took armor pen away from us back in wrath. You have inspired me to play MM again. However I do say it takes way more finesse to play MM than BM atm!
The macros to change Aspects are called Aspects Dancing. For example, /cast !aspect of the hawk. The !mark means every time the button is been pressed, it won't cancel the aspect that priviouslly put on.
enjoyed the video a lot.. main'd hunter for a # of years and then went on a WoW hiatus, after coming down I decided to put hunter on the shelf and try some new things.. However, after watching all your videos I have just become inspired to level a new hunter and keep playing one. ~Cheers!
@MrJunzz Serpent sting or other hunters dot abilities have another great use, specially in arena. Classes such as priest, shaman, PLA,ect that can dispell or clean magic effects, slows, ect; serpent sting is classified as magic effects, that means if they use dispell or clean, poision such as serpent sting will be removed prior to slow effects
Back in the days. Feign death combined with freezing trap after the rogue vanish rushes you always catches them off guard. Then place a flare as quick as possible. They dont even think to dismantle your trap middle battle because they are on the clock trying to rush you. Feign death doesnt share a cooldown with traps or flare. So take your pick.
When the rogue cast smoke bomb, usually means that the rogue is out of the cool down of cloak and/or vanash. The purpose of smoke bomb is playing defensive, for instance, reduce the damage taken, waiting for major cool downs such as combat readiness, cloak, vanish, ect, or wait for the oppotuniy
The only time you allow the pet to attack is when the rogue blind you only depends on that the blind is used to get restealth to reset the combat. Usually, the rogues would use cloak beforehand or after the blind to clear any dots they had on them so that after 6 sec they can get retealth reopen on you; by doing that they also save precious vanish for offensive or dense sieve purposes. Thus, allow the pet to attack when you were blinded, can save your cool downs and keep the rogues in combat.
These duels although quite entertaining, are in hunter's favor. would be cool to see you duel classes in world arena. Ring of Trials arena in Nagrand for example
@ZumioNET Just a tip what what I think: Put up videos were you win. And also when you lose against classes so you can say what you did wrong and can do better and then show the win there you then fixed the problems. If there was any.
hey zumio:) do you have a macro on chimera to turn you into aspec of the hawk and on the steady to turn you into aspect of the fox? i noticed every time u press chimera or steady those things happens...i've been searching for this kind of macro for 1 year do have it?:D great video keep it up
Zumio.. A nice tip for you... When a rogue is using his Smoke bomb.. Try popping out your Flare in his face, and a trap underneath you.. It's a good way to keep him out of stealth. JS it's been working in every single duel I've been doin' against rogues..
i love dueling rogues, but idk if any of you guys do this but when they go into a smoke bomb i switch to a spider pet and web them. it works for me really well. but i'm on a weaksauce server so there isnt any super good rogues to see if it would work on them.
Loving your vids ZUMIO! your macro tips have helped me alot, and on top of it, I do much better against rogues now! SUBSCRIBED! btw..what do i do about their CRIPPLING POISON! it wastes me everytime and i cant seem to get away from it!
In the duels Zumio vs rogues, the rogues hardly have any chance to restealth, because restealth gives rogues loads of advantages. First of, restealth allows rogues to recover to full energy or enough energy to pop their cool downs; Second, restealth allows rogues to get as many as combo stars , and combo stars mean damage and/or control and heal. Allow rogues to restealth means they usually reset the combat with full energy even full health and major cool downs, you definitely don't want do tha
@MrJunzz @MrJunzz The reason why the serpent sting not been used very often is because it breaks the CC, that is vital in duels and arena. The only condition to use serpent sting is the hunter out of cool downs and want to avoid other classes to CC you, specially rogues. For example, a serpent sting can easily break the rogues' vanish, if you know what is going to happen. Zumio demonstrated well in one of his vedios.
Waiting for the opportunity to close the gap ,etc. So the best solution is throw snake/freeze trap to the smoke to limit the rogue close the gap or waste his cool down; and toss a flare by your feet to avoid the rogue snap you as an open; and in a very short period, the rogue can not restealth to pop cool downs on you.
cant really do this anymore because with feint, evasion, and rogues defensive cds he can just spam shuriken toss which does the same ranged dmg as hunter
Agree, a medium-skilled rogue will stomp a medium-skilled hunter, as rogue is simply easier to do well with, both classes do have high skill caps but in 1v1 rogue will certainly come out on top unless both players to the best of their classes ability. And yes in 2v2 and 3v3 rogues are massively better than hunters, rogues are the best arena class this season (along with locks and shamans)
I have a good rogue I duel against often. Our duels used to go a lot like this, but then he adapted his play and now does things a lot differently. He wins a lot more then he loses now. He does things like using cloak to avoid monkey stuns, starting the duel sitting right on top of me regardless of the flare.
I'm not questioning the skill of these rogues by any means, as I know they are on top of their game...but why do they pop evasion and combat readiness at the same time? Combat readiness requires hits to get the damage reduction and evasion is removing the chance of being hit. It seems to me that you could space those CD's out a little bit better, but I don't know for sure, I've never played a rogue at max level. Huntard for life here.
this guide has helped me out so much :-) now sub rouge are my favorite class to go against lol...so u just basically tank out his damage until he has no more n when he has no more recup hes dead n force his trinket of course
your pet is used for utility. he needs to be near you to sac/call(even though call is a decent range). the dps a pet does isnt that great(unless BM). so you keep it on passive. Also, spec your pet into bullheaded. bc you will need it.
hey Zumio i dont really know what you do for a living do u live at home or do u have your own place is this youtube you´re work? i just wish to know some info about you
You said "use ice trap" when you are using frezzing traps. I guess you just combined the names? ---- Duel against ret paladin would be awesome. I have very hard against ret paladins even tho I achiveed 2200+.
Try giving it a second thought on why he didn't restealth. If he would sit there for 4 seconds doing nothing, every hunter with a brain would pop a flare on top of his smokebomb and why restealth when you got hunter's mark on yourself? It's not about being bad, it's just knowing what's pointless and what not.
wow didnt see any rog at that ratin got kited liked that!, is it u or em? :> Good vids bro hf! Some good macro sharin would be very helpful to us, hunter bros
i play both rogue and hunter. I find this fight infinitely easier as a hunter. Especially in arena. I know i have heard almost the exact opposite from most.
the rogue would throw inside his smoke bomb instead of going stealth which in several of these duels would have caused the rogue to win. both rogues were very good but i dont believe they were skill capped as the hunter. a good rogue counters every disengage with a shadowstep and tries to stealth inside smoke bombs since the hunter didnt use his pet for damage. just a few suggestions for rogues out there watching this. :)
ret pala is easy for hunter, i play both, to kill them just trinket hammer of justice then disengage then keep side ways running while using concussive shot and just dmg. if they use there other stun repentance it breaks on dmg so when it does scatter him then run then dmg again easy :) hope this helped
shoot flare over there or explosive trap sometimes then switch to aspect of cheetah n run away from him until smoke bomb clears up the start my burst again..works evertime :-) Zumio videos gave me the idea
just goes to show, rogues counter hunters with cooldowns but hunters counter rogues as a basic class...... ranged>meele...so one must enforce his game to the other ..SUCH skill is awesome
excellent guide that is still relevant today. Thanks.
Thank you very much mate! That is half the reason I am re-uploading some of the previous duel guides, as they originally had copyrighted content on them which meant that a) the videos could be removed from TH-cam at any time and b) that I cannot get partnership (had offers) without removing the copyrighted videos. Instead of just being a slacker and deleting them I have re-edited them (it took a while, longer than you'd think) so that people can still learn from my guides :)
thanks so much for the vid man. im loving the duel guides. no other hunter out there really doing this to help the others. keep it up.
man, that first duel was just freaking awesome! you both were beast mode :P
Also good pts for Zumio, randomly found you and I instantly subbed! Anyway good pts for countering against combat readiness. Not having ur SS dot up and just waiting it out works best for me. I have been playing BM since cata b/c of spirit pet heals and SV(though not really during cata) since blizz took armor pen away from us back in wrath. You have inspired me to play MM again. However I do say it takes way more finesse to play MM than BM atm!
The macros to change Aspects are called Aspects Dancing. For example, /cast !aspect of the hawk. The !mark means every time the button is been pressed, it won't cancel the aspect that priviouslly put on.
To demonstrate the combo point mechanic, you can see the combo points building up. I don't have a rogue alt so had to use feral
enjoyed the video a lot.. main'd hunter for a # of years and then went on a WoW hiatus, after coming down I decided to put hunter on the shelf and try some new things..
However, after watching all your videos I have just become inspired to level a new hunter and keep playing one.
~Cheers!
@MrJunzz Serpent sting or other hunters dot abilities have another great use, specially in arena. Classes such as priest, shaman, PLA,ect that can dispell or clean magic effects, slows, ect; serpent sting is classified as magic effects, that means if they use dispell or clean, poision such as serpent sting will be removed prior to slow effects
People probably missed the description (it's a re-upload)!
Back in the days. Feign death combined with freezing trap after the rogue vanish rushes you always catches them off guard. Then place a flare as quick as possible. They dont even think to dismantle your trap middle battle because they are on the clock trying to rush you. Feign death doesnt share a cooldown with traps or flare. So take your pick.
well played mate ! here to hoping you take off on the youtube scene !
When the rogue cast smoke bomb, usually means that the rogue is out of the cool down of cloak and/or vanash. The purpose of smoke bomb is playing defensive, for instance, reduce the damage taken, waiting for major cool downs such as combat readiness, cloak, vanish, ect, or wait for the oppotuniy
The song at 11.08 is definitely a song on my favourite game back on the n64. F zero X!
Very, very good video and nicely done sir, thanks for the upload.
Planning on doing warlock soon? So many dots and instant cc's I can't do much :p
Keep up the great work man!
Elemental Shaman I believe, I really want to do a ret duel guide but I'm struggling to find a good ret!
Serpen sting is not used very often in pvp , especially in duels and arena, is because it breaks the CC and it is disspellable by certain classees
Great video Zumio!
The only time you allow the pet to attack is when the rogue blind you only depends on that the blind is used to get restealth to reset the combat. Usually, the rogues would use cloak beforehand or after the blind to clear any dots they had on them so that after 6 sec they can get retealth reopen on you; by doing that they also save precious vanish for offensive or dense sieve purposes. Thus, allow the pet to attack when you were blinded, can save your cool downs and keep the rogues in combat.
These duels although quite entertaining, are in hunter's favor. would be cool to see you duel classes in world arena. Ring of Trials arena in Nagrand for example
Love the videos man! how much was sony vegas and how long did it take you to learn how to use it?
@ZumioNET Just a tip what what I think: Put up videos were you win. And also when you lose against classes so you can say what you did wrong and can do better and then show the win there you then fixed the problems. If there was any.
jesus.. u are quite the hunter. Any tips in terms of what offensive moves to use for a beginner pvper? PS. subbed.
But what happens if the rouge has hunters mark inside a smoke bomb.. doesnt it mean they cant stealth without using cloak or vanish?
can you do a aff lock guide next week there are rly hard to beat
hey zumio:) do you have a macro on chimera to turn you into aspec of the hawk and on the steady to turn you into aspect of the fox? i noticed every time u press chimera or steady those things happens...i've been searching for this kind of macro for 1 year do have it?:D great video keep it up
Zumio.. A nice tip for you... When a rogue is using his Smoke bomb.. Try popping out your Flare in his face, and a trap underneath you.. It's a good way to keep him out of stealth. JS it's been working in every single duel I've been doin' against rogues..
whats the addon that displays all the numbers and pourcentages on ur health and focus bars??
i love dueling rogues, but idk if any of you guys do this but when they go into a smoke bomb i switch to a spider pet and web them. it works for me really well. but i'm on a weaksauce server so there isnt any super good rogues to see if it would work on them.
Which is the song at 7mins? as I love it!
Is Widow Venom any good to counter the recup?? I notice that your not using it.
how do u move and cast at same time?if i move my casting gets interupted
why u dont use wydow venom for the healing reducing efect?
What's up with Hádoukén's Armory? :( It doesn't show up!
Quick question: why do you have your pet on passive?
good video, what song is the Minute 15:00?
how the hell did a rogue use combat readiness then a deadly throw later?
Loving your vids ZUMIO! your macro tips have helped me alot, and on top of it, I do much better against rogues now! SUBSCRIBED! btw..what do i do about their CRIPPLING POISON! it wastes me everytime and i cant seem to get away from it!
what's the song at 20:00? not its not in the description
In the duels Zumio vs rogues, the rogues hardly have any chance to restealth, because restealth gives rogues loads of advantages. First of, restealth allows rogues to recover to full energy or enough energy to pop their cool downs; Second, restealth allows rogues to get as many as combo stars , and combo stars mean damage and/or control and heal. Allow rogues to restealth means they usually reset the combat with full energy even full health and major cool downs, you definitely don't want do tha
Which instances do you put up serpent sting? I never know when to put it up since it breaks my cc's.
@MrJunzz @MrJunzz The reason why the serpent sting not been used very often is because it breaks the CC, that is vital in duels and arena. The only condition to use serpent sting is the hunter out of cool downs and want to avoid other classes to CC you, specially rogues. For example, a serpent sting can easily break the rogues' vanish, if you know what is going to happen. Zumio demonstrated well in one of his vedios.
Hey mate, i noticed that you dont use serpent sting on some duels with those rogue, why?
ive been playing hunter for 7 months and now i got bored i was really good is it bad to reroll please help me
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anyone knows the song 19.50 onwards. It isnt in the description. Thx in advance.
Ican`t wait till you go big so I can say yeah.... I was subbed to him before he got 500 subs :D
Okay, what about the passive Pet ?
Amazing, Im a well versed hunter my self, and its nice to see a pro dueler like yourself. keep them coming, subscribed
Waiting for the opportunity to close the gap ,etc. So the best solution is throw snake/freeze trap to the smoke to limit the rogue close the gap or waste his cool down; and toss a flare by your feet to avoid the rogue snap you as an open; and in a very short period, the rogue can not restealth to pop cool downs on you.
Why you never use Serpent Sting ?
dude Zumio u should make a video where u fight locks that would be tight
OMG, rogues were so OP in cata... wish we were like that in this 5.4 patch
except that this patch they are OP, they can kill somebody in less than 5 globals
NIce vid mate as always :) music? :)
Music in da 15:05 > Arion - Blow ExXxplode (Extended Mix) Enjoy!
cant really do this anymore because with feint, evasion, and rogues defensive cds he can just spam shuriken toss which does the same ranged dmg as hunter
Do you use a macro to throw the tap so fast? Trap launcher
Your pet isnt attacking???
Am I the only one who hears jewel instead of duel? :P Nice videos, though! Keep it up, mate.
Agree, a medium-skilled rogue will stomp a medium-skilled hunter, as rogue is simply easier to do well with, both classes do have high skill caps but in 1v1 rogue will certainly come out on top unless both players to the best of their classes ability. And yes in 2v2 and 3v3 rogues are massively better than hunters, rogues are the best arena class this season (along with locks and shamans)
Anyone who knows what the song starting at 19:37 is called? I can't find it in the desciption :i
I have a good rogue I duel against often. Our duels used to go a lot like this, but then he adapted his play and now does things a lot differently. He wins a lot more then he loses now. He does things like using cloak to avoid monkey stuns, starting the duel sitting right on top of me regardless of the flare.
i used to hate duelin rogues but now i know how to beat them its so much fun
What If you flared in his smoke Bo
what video editing software do you use?
whats your macro to change aspects???
u can use something like that
/cast !Aspect of the Hawk
/cast Chimera Shot
and
/cast !Aspect of the Fox
/cast Steady Shot
I know this is from last season, but just wondering
I'm not questioning the skill of these rogues by any means, as I know they are on top of their game...but why do they pop evasion and combat readiness at the same time? Combat readiness requires hits to get the damage reduction and evasion is removing the chance of being hit. It seems to me that you could space those CD's out a little bit better, but I don't know for sure, I've never played a rogue at max level. Huntard for life here.
I think it's called "Look in the Description"
c'est quoi la music 19:50 plz
WHAT'S THE SONG NAME @ 20:00???
this guide has helped me out so much :-) now sub rouge are my favorite class to go against lol...so u just basically tank out his damage until he has no more n when he has no more recup hes dead n force his trinket of course
your pet is used for utility. he needs to be near you to sac/call(even though call is a decent range). the dps a pet does isnt that great(unless BM). so you keep it on passive. Also, spec your pet into bullheaded. bc you will need it.
I play rogue and have just started high lvl with it. I've been getting owned by hunters. This video helped me a lot. Gouge + disarm!
Why do you raise your voice at the end of every sentence?
on what server you playing ?
he hardly ever plays now, but its outland eu anyway
hey Zumio i dont really know what you do for a living do u live at home or do u have your own place is this youtube you´re work? i just wish to know some info about you
He didn't gouge your first disengage, he actually kidney'd it :P
You said "use ice trap" when you are using frezzing traps. I guess you just combined the names? ----
Duel against ret paladin would be awesome. I have very hard against ret paladins even tho I achiveed 2200+.
Any new tactics for MoP?
preperation does not reset the cooldown on shadowdance :)
i think he has his pet on passive so the rogue cant redirect the combo points into a full kidney shot. or gain free recup off his pet.
He needs his pet on Passive because the rogue can get combo points off it when the rogue smoke bombs I think
Try giving it a second thought on why he didn't restealth. If he would sit there for 4 seconds doing nothing, every hunter with a brain would pop a flare on top of his smokebomb and why restealth when you got hunter's mark on yourself? It's not about being bad, it's just knowing what's pointless and what not.
all he would have to do is put a trap or flare in the smoke bomb and he wouldn't get a re-stealth anyway
wait, why didn't he use a pet?
wow didnt see any rog at that ratin got kited liked that!, is it u or em? :> Good vids bro hf! Some good macro sharin would be very helpful to us, hunter bros
GOOD WORK
So good , Thank you
i play both rogue and hunter. I find this fight infinitely easier as a hunter. Especially in arena. I know i have heard almost the exact opposite from most.
the rogue would throw inside his smoke bomb instead of going stealth which in several of these duels would have caused the rogue to win. both rogues were very good but i dont believe they were skill capped as the hunter. a good rogue counters every disengage with a shadowstep and tries to stealth inside smoke bombs since the hunter didnt use his pet for damage. just a few suggestions for rogues out there watching this. :)
ret pala is easy for hunter, i play both, to kill them just trinket hammer of justice then disengage then keep side ways running while using concussive shot and just dmg.
if they use there other stun repentance it breaks on dmg so when it does scatter him then run then dmg again easy :) hope this helped
basically never.
spend the focus on arcane shots , and you caaaaaaan use it , but only when you know how to time your ccs with it
cheap can become 5 sec if the rogue glyphs for it
shoot flare over there or explosive trap sometimes then switch to aspect of cheetah n run away from him until smoke bomb clears up the start my burst again..works evertime :-) Zumio videos gave me the idea
just goes to show, rogues counter hunters with cooldowns but hunters counter rogues as a basic class...... ranged>meele...so one must enforce his game to the other ..SUCH skill is awesome
he probably has a lot of keybinds.
Why isn't your pet attacking? Surely some dps is lost by the pet not doing dmg :P