Here's the video about the shopping experience: th-cam.com/video/jIEZTGhQ-XA/w-d-xo.html Shoutout to Victor @Everyday Cycling for the great videos on your channel!
@@mareksykora779 Their prices are high, cause their production line is in UK and not some Chinese sweatshop where they pay their employees next to nothing. You are paying for fairness here.
@@IthliniEllyanSenah You are totally wrong. Brompton doesn't pay much more to its employees. China is not as cheap as it used to be. But Brompton just uses old manufacture technology. If the computers were made the same way, you would need to pay four times more for your notebook.
Litepro in South East Asia (SEA) is known as high-quality parts for bicycles. I'm really guessing the shipment screwed up the parts. I hope they are getting better at shipment. Litepro's actually high quality inhouse brand is Crius which is funny at being high-end and abit more expensive. So people actually go for the abit cheaper but still as good Fnhon brand. Or the way cheaper Java or Hito brands. People usually buy Litepro parts not their bicycles :P And use Shimano gears and brakes. And assembly themselves or pay others to assemble. These 2 companies are actually formed by breakaway staff / engineers from Dahon. Which is up there with Brompton and MoBot in SEA.
The Litepro extender is shape to fit Brompton bike, so definitely need some washer/spacer to fill the gap. Alternatively you can consider Muzqi extender, it's secure both end 1st and centre last to give it a good fit. And been taller, it give better clearance to ground to prevent absorber hit during fold
Hey there my hero: okay, so I got a LitePro and head better experience with shipping than you did. But I cannot get the bike to shift into the higher cog for 4,5, and six. You mentioned some electric tape helped. Do you have a video about getting the LitePro to shift in all gears? Also, how heavy is the LitePro?
Thanks for the update. Bromptons have problems too. I'm not sure about the current products, but mine keeps me busy with the tool set. The plastic shifter is a known problem and after the warranty is up, I may replace it with a twist shifter like on my dutch bike. As gas prices go up so will bike thefts. Many places in my area are allowing people to bring their bikes in, for those that don't a tri-fold works well.
The problems you have could easily be fixed though right? These bikes are trying to be 1:1 to a Brompton so you can just buy a new rear fender they are about $20. You could also buy the rear shifter as well. I am super curious if these bikes can just use the official Brompton rear rack kit that comes with the rear fender as well. Even after the upgrades you would still be less than half the price of a Brompton.
Ended up here while researching tri-folds and have this observation regarding your poor braking performance (which was mitigated by swapping out the pads). Looks like the Litepro is spec'ed with dual pivot calipers which are typically mated to drop bar brifters/levers. These have different pull ratios than levers spec'ed for flat bars meant for V-Brakes--short pull for caliper levers; long pull for V-Brakes. Improperly spec'ed levers can result in very weak brakes. You may want to check it out.
Even my Litepro Extender fits my SuperlightM6LXBrompton perfectly, as also my more expensive version with a carbon tube in the middle, which is too soft and bends! And of course larger E-wheels, as the original are useless on anything but a totally flat surface.
Probably the best option for a tri fold bicycle. However dahon curls does't have an option similar to the brompton style front block and curl does't have a ecosystem of products like the brompton has. The reasons I don't buy curl.
Thanks for the review! Do you know if there are widely available replacement parts for the inner hinge clamps? There's a bunch for the normal Brompton C clamps but wasn't able to find any for this type which Litepro uses.
I have a similar Brompton copy/clone which is similar to your Litepro. Mine is a 9 speed Camp Pikes. 3 speed Sturmey archer and 3 cogs for a good range but like yours, does not shift well. For the rear fender i added a piece of plastic cut out from an older plastic fender and attached it to the end of the fender and solved the wet pants issue. I also gave up on the wheel extender as they interfere with my pedalling, my heels keep striking them. Also i had to fit some washers in between the gap to make it fit. Other things i changed were to tires (schwalbe), pedals (MKS), kickstand (Minoura), saddle and grips for better comfort during my daily commute.
Hello, If you do not mind I have a question for you. Camp pike is a good option for me but I am a bit concern about the gear ratios. As I have calculated there is a big difference depending on the hub ratios (there is the standard ratio -0.75/1/1.33- and the wide ratio -0.64/1/1.57) because with the later there's a total ratio from 2.4 o 7.8 meter/rev. (That is very good and you would have 9 disctint speeds) and the former would be just from 2.8 to 6.5 (what is very narrow and several of the different speed are actually the same) so I would like to know which one is what you have. Thanks in advace
Thank you for this review because it made me clear that this wil be perfect bike for me, because I want to experiment with, and not spend 5000 euro for a T1 Brompton I am going to weld caliper brake connections pin on the frame so I can replace they brakes with Magura Hydraulic rim brakes (even Brompton doesn't have this!) did you paid 120 euro extra to get shipped by DPD?
Hello.. Thank you for introducing this product.. Do you think it is possible to take a trip on this bike..? And do you think that the rear basket can carry a bag weighing 10 kilos throughout the trip..? I saw some videos of the original Brompton Bike on the road and was able to.. Do you think this bike is the same quality and durability.. Thank you
Well, the original has some serious compromises for the price, too. Most notably for me the front wheel can be fitted with a grippier tire without serious modification, even if you could find one.
Trifold bikes can be pretty good so long as you don't get their first generation. There are very fine details in the Brompton basic trifold design to solve subtle issues that tend to be missed out in the first generation of copycats. The handling during shipping can be pretty shitty too, so it is best to buy from a local distributor who orders an entire container and manage the whole handling from loading to unloading from the ship.
@@sim_scape That is so surprising, these budget trifolds are very popular here in Singapore along with the branded ones. The government here built extensive networks of cycling paths despite of heavy population desity in the small island country.
The Aceoffix p1 though 👀, frame 1-1 to brompton for spare parts too(can't turn front wheel in kickstand mode though) . Thanks for the video, I am looking east over a new brompton too.
"The Brompton Stripe" is a well-known phenomenon from mudguard-less Brompton versions, but my Lightweight was sold with original guards and titanium stays! And they have a small "lip" in the end, as an extra Brompton item! I have added some carbon and alu-parts for them, as the originals are really "heavy metal", so an easy weight sawing is possible. Finn. Denmark
Wow, a lot of compromises and fixes. I had hoped that the manufacturer would've copied the Brompton more carefully to avoid these. Thank you for all this information. I am happy with my Dahon folding bikes.
Did you have any issues with the handlebar not being secured? It move a lot, mine it's unasable!! SO dangerous! I tightened the bold but it doens't stay locked in any way!
I had this issue - I bought a new through bolt since I stripped the head on the original. It’s tight enough now - But I can still move it if I apply a lot of force.
What you pay is what you get. The longer frontpart, as you mentioned in the first part, is not a plus in my opinion. It alters the physics of the whole frame. Brompton reengineered their frame over the years. I wouldn't trust the cheap enlarged one on the long run. If you recalculate with the extra costs and put the taxes in, you ahould be in the price region of a A-Line Brompton. Nevertheless have fun with the experimental bike, I had a lot of fun watching your journey. Big thumb up!
I agree, you get what you pay for. I've learned so much in this experiment. As for the longer front part, I look forward to comparing this bike to a genuine Brompton to see how big a difference there is between them. Thanks for following me on this journey!
The frame is approximately 20 mm longer, hardly enough to change the ' physics' of the frame and even with all the charges it still comes in cheaper than the Brompton.
It would be cheaper to buy a used Brompton, especially if you consider the overall cost of ownership including parts and residual value . Excellent review.
A very good condition, used Brompton could be had for what it cost to buy, repair and modify this Chinese copy! I would suggest that a good connection used Brompton is actually more reliable than a new Chinese clone and a better investment.
You won't find a 6 speed Brompton for less than $1000; Litepro is currently on sale for $530. I own a B75 and notice very little difference in quality. Not sure about newer Bromptons. @@felixcat9318
It is very similar - although not identical - in size. I'd say it's still small enough for a carry-on, but some airlines have weight restrictions as well, and - despite the name - it's not that light...
As an owner of an original "LigthweightH6LXBrompton" my bike was delivered as standard, in Scandinavia(?), with a 600 mm seat post (I'm 184 cm)! For being able to put it into my German B&W, solid black travel box for a Brompton, I then had to remove first the saddle, and then the post from the bottom (It's a folding bike, so why?), so I have lately, for a test, bought a Chinese, 535 mm standard length, black titanium post, also with the security, wide end in the bottom. I may just pull it out in full, and it is still a little too low for me and my, too high weight punches it a little down during rides! I also have an original, heavy black telescope saddle post and a 600 mm black titanium post with a ring mount on top, to be just pulled out from the frame. And I think it is a "Litepro" seat clamp I use for my ordinary post, as it is lighter than the very complicated type, original seat post clamp.
@Anthony I bought it in Korea. Pikes are slightly larger than the other Brompton knockoff brands. Great quality though. I got mine on Naver. It's a Korean website.
Here's the video about the shopping experience: th-cam.com/video/jIEZTGhQ-XA/w-d-xo.html
Shoutout to Victor @Everyday Cycling for the great videos on your channel!
Even a Brompton doesn't have everything working out of the box 🤣
Oh well, there’s no such a thing as a perfect bike.
Check out the 9 speed external (Shimano) Litepro on their official website, I think it's a good deal, and better value than Brompton
After seeing this video, what comes to my mind is this "I am not rich enough to spend on cheap things"
Brompon thanks you for this what keeps their prices extremely high.
@@mareksykora779 Their prices are high, cause their production line is in UK and not some Chinese sweatshop where they pay their employees next to nothing. You are paying for fairness here.
@@IthliniEllyanSenah You are totally wrong. Brompton doesn't pay much more to its employees. China is not as cheap as it used to be. But Brompton just uses old manufacture technology. If the computers were made the same way, you would need to pay four times more for your notebook.
Indeed. All those fixes are not worth their time and money.
The price of a Litepro vs a Brompton is necessary.
How can you not compare the prices?
so many problems. i will rather not save the money and just get a brompton bike.
Hey there! I have a question: are you able to change the rack on this bike? Is it compatible with a brompton rack? Thanks!
this bike is a disaster if it is competing with brompton. shame
Litepro in South East Asia (SEA) is known as high-quality parts for bicycles. I'm really guessing the shipment screwed up the parts. I hope they are getting better at shipment.
Litepro's actually high quality inhouse brand is Crius which is funny at being high-end and abit more expensive. So people actually go for the abit cheaper but still as good Fnhon brand. Or the way cheaper Java or Hito brands. People usually buy Litepro parts not their bicycles :P And use Shimano gears and brakes. And assembly themselves or pay others to assemble.
These 2 companies are actually formed by breakaway staff / engineers from Dahon. Which is up there with Brompton and MoBot in SEA.
@Anthony I disagree. They are some really good quality parts. Just do not get frame, brakes and gears.
The Litepro extender is shape to fit Brompton bike, so definitely need some washer/spacer to fill the gap.
Alternatively you can consider Muzqi extender, it's secure both end 1st and centre last to give it a good fit. And been taller, it give better clearance to ground to prevent absorber hit during fold
Hey there my hero: okay, so I got a LitePro and head better experience with shipping than you did. But I cannot get the bike to shift into the higher cog for 4,5, and six. You mentioned some electric tape helped. Do you have a video about getting the LitePro to shift in all gears? Also, how heavy is the LitePro?
Did u try adjusting the 2 screws on the derailleur?
Thanks for the update. Bromptons have problems too. I'm not sure about the current products, but mine keeps me busy with the tool set. The plastic shifter is a known problem and after the warranty is up, I may replace it with a twist shifter like on my dutch bike.
As gas prices go up so will bike thefts. Many places in my area are allowing people to bring their bikes in, for those that don't a tri-fold works well.
You're right. Bike theft is a real problem, and it was what got me thinking about a folding bike in the first place.
I wish I knew how to fix up bikes so I could get this clone. It looks like such a great option for people who can’t afford the Brompton
The problems you have could easily be fixed though right? These bikes are trying to be 1:1 to a Brompton so you can just buy a new rear fender they are about $20. You could also buy the rear shifter as well. I am super curious if these bikes can just use the official Brompton rear rack kit that comes with the rear fender as well. Even after the upgrades you would still be less than half the price of a Brompton.
Did you find that the handlebar drags on the ground if you try to wheel the bike around in its folded state? I seem to be having that problem
Very good value. All bikes need maintenance and wear out parts. Better to start at a much lower cost basis.
Yea, and when you want to learn how to paint you should also start cheap with 2 dollars 100-in-one painting kit. Won't make you wanna quit at all.
Ended up here while researching tri-folds and have this observation regarding your poor braking performance (which was mitigated by swapping out the pads). Looks like the Litepro is spec'ed with dual pivot calipers which are typically mated to drop bar brifters/levers. These have different pull ratios than levers spec'ed for flat bars meant for V-Brakes--short pull for caliper levers; long pull for V-Brakes. Improperly spec'ed levers can result in very weak brakes. You may want to check it out.
Cheers. Bromptons have the same dual pivot callipers and work great. I own two and both are way better than this one.
Even my Litepro Extender fits my SuperlightM6LXBrompton perfectly, as also my more expensive version with a carbon tube in the middle, which is too soft and bends! And of course larger E-wheels, as the original are useless on anything but a totally flat surface.
So to wrap it up you need to change half of things in this bike to make it usable... 🫣
for the price I think a dahon curl it's a better option, not exactly a copy of the brompton but a 16" trifold bike
Not sure if it is still sold.
Probably the best option for a tri fold bicycle. However dahon curls does't have an option similar to the brompton style front block and curl does't have a ecosystem of products like the brompton has. The reasons I don't buy curl.
@@AlexandreMCunha true, and they're around 1300€… So you better buy the A line i guess
Thanks for the review! Do you know if there are widely available replacement parts for the inner hinge clamps? There's a bunch for the normal Brompton C clamps but wasn't able to find any for this type which Litepro uses.
I have a similar Brompton copy/clone which is similar to your Litepro. Mine is a 9 speed Camp Pikes. 3 speed Sturmey archer and 3 cogs for a good range but like yours, does not shift well. For the rear fender i added a piece of plastic cut out from an older plastic fender and attached it to the end of the fender and solved the wet pants issue. I also gave up on the wheel extender as they interfere with my pedalling, my heels keep striking them. Also i had to fit some washers in between the gap to make it fit. Other things i changed were to tires (schwalbe), pedals (MKS), kickstand (Minoura), saddle and grips for better comfort during my daily commute.
Hello, If you do not mind I have a question for you. Camp pike is a good option for me but I am a bit concern about the gear ratios. As I have calculated there is a big difference depending on the hub ratios (there is the standard ratio -0.75/1/1.33- and the wide ratio -0.64/1/1.57) because with the later there's a total ratio from 2.4 o 7.8 meter/rev. (That is very good and you would have 9 disctint speeds) and the former would be just from 2.8 to 6.5 (what is very narrow and several of the different speed are actually the same) so I would like to know which one is what you have. Thanks in advace
Since I have no fenders, I think of the front wheel touching the back wheel on my Brompton as my parking brakes.
Can your next experiment be to buy 20" rear triangle and fork upgrade for bigger tires and disc brakes?
what's the total standard weight?
I am asking the same question
I weighed mine when I got it. 28.5 lbs as I remember.
Could you please tell us how much this bike weighs ?
13.5kg according to Aliexpress
Thank you for this review because it made me clear that this wil be perfect bike for me, because I want to experiment with, and not spend 5000 euro for a T1 Brompton
I am going to weld caliper brake connections pin on the frame so I can replace they brakes with Magura Hydraulic rim brakes (even Brompton doesn't have this!) did you paid 120 euro extra to get shipped by DPD?
Great video thanks.
Once you changed the seat post do you think it will fit someone 190cm or 6f 3 tall?
Thanks for your help
Hello.. Thank you for introducing this product.. Do you think it is possible to take a trip on this bike..? And do you think that the rear basket can carry a bag weighing 10 kilos throughout the trip..? I saw some videos of the original Brompton Bike on the road and was able to.. Do you think this bike is the same quality and durability.. Thank you
Well, the original has some serious compromises for the price, too. Most notably for me the front wheel can be fitted with a grippier tire without serious modification, even if you could find one.
Trifold bikes can be pretty good so long as you don't get their first generation. There are very fine details in the Brompton basic trifold design to solve subtle issues that tend to be missed out in the first generation of copycats. The handling during shipping can be pretty shitty too, so it is best to buy from a local distributor who orders an entire container and manage the whole handling from loading to unloading from the ship.
In my country there are importers, dealers for such bikes so is way cheaper and has better support. Upgrade parts are widely available.
Where do you live ?
@@sim_scape Singapore.
@@limchoonteck1so lucky! In France it is impossible to find folding bike dealers
@@sim_scape That is so surprising, these budget trifolds are very popular here in Singapore along with the branded ones. The government here built extensive networks of cycling paths despite of heavy population desity in the small island country.
The Aceoffix p1 though 👀, frame 1-1 to brompton for spare parts too(can't turn front wheel in kickstand mode though) .
Thanks for the video, I am looking east over a new brompton too.
"The Brompton Stripe" is a well-known phenomenon from mudguard-less Brompton versions, but my Lightweight was sold with original guards and titanium stays! And they have a small "lip" in the end, as an extra Brompton item! I have added some carbon and alu-parts for them, as the originals are really "heavy metal", so an easy weight sawing is possible. Finn. Denmark
Didn't the easy wheels come with flat washers to match every bike size?
To be honest, with the money you spend you can get a brompton maybe second hand.
Where did you get the seatpost? What dimensions did you get?
thanks for this honest review
Lucky you got your swytch….about to order and not so happy with the long wait times
What saddle are you using right now?
did you find better compatible fenders?
Wow, a lot of compromises and fixes. I had hoped that the manufacturer would've copied the Brompton more carefully to avoid these. Thank you for all this information. I am happy with my Dahon folding bikes.
mostly due to shipping. sad to see
Great video!
professional review!
Where did you get the shock absorber? From litepro still or some other?
It’s from Litepro.
A mobat a brompton copy too.
Did you have any issues with the handlebar not being secured? It move a lot, mine it's unasable!! SO dangerous! I tightened the bold but it doens't stay locked in any way!
I had this issue - I bought a new through bolt since I stripped the head on the original. It’s tight enough now - But I can still move it if I apply a lot of force.
@@livehbg6172 mmm...maybe a with this design it happens with all brompton as well? Is it like kinda expected?
What you pay is what you get.
The longer frontpart, as you mentioned in the first part, is not a plus in my opinion. It alters the physics of the whole frame. Brompton reengineered their frame over the years. I wouldn't trust the cheap enlarged one on the long run. If you recalculate with the extra costs and put the taxes in, you ahould be in the price region of a A-Line Brompton.
Nevertheless have fun with the experimental bike, I had a lot of fun watching your journey. Big thumb up!
I agree, you get what you pay for. I've learned so much in this experiment.
As for the longer front part, I look forward to comparing this bike to a genuine Brompton to see how big a difference there is between them.
Thanks for following me on this journey!
The frame is approximately 20 mm longer, hardly enough to change the ' physics' of the frame and even with all the charges it still comes in cheaper than the Brompton.
@@bobwilliamson5574 £638 including shipping,
@@simplelife6827 aud 800 , against $3700 from the local bike shop. A bargain.
It would be cheaper to buy a used Brompton, especially if you consider the overall cost of ownership including parts and residual value . Excellent review.
A very good condition, used Brompton could be had for what it cost to buy, repair and modify this Chinese copy!
I would suggest that a good connection used Brompton is actually more reliable than a new Chinese clone and a better investment.
You won't find a 6 speed Brompton for less than $1000; Litepro is currently on sale for $530. I own a B75 and notice very little difference in quality. Not sure about newer Bromptons. @@felixcat9318
Can the LitePro be folded to fit as a carry-on like the Brompton?
yes
It is very similar - although not identical - in size. I'd say it's still small enough for a carry-on, but some airlines have weight restrictions as well, and - despite the name - it's not that light...
I was unable to fit my litepro into the Samsonite Stryde 2 suitcase. Bromptons fit in this case so Litepro is bigger folded I think.
As an owner of an original "LigthweightH6LXBrompton" my bike was delivered as standard, in Scandinavia(?), with a 600 mm seat post (I'm 184 cm)! For being able to put it into my German B&W, solid black travel box for a Brompton, I then had to remove first the saddle, and then the post from the bottom (It's a folding bike, so why?), so I have lately, for a test, bought a Chinese, 535 mm standard length, black titanium post, also with the security, wide end in the bottom. I may just pull it out in full, and it is still a little too low for me and my, too high weight punches it a little down during rides! I also have an original, heavy black telescope saddle post and a 600 mm black titanium post with a ring mount on top, to be just pulled out from the frame. And I think it is a "Litepro" seat clamp I use for my ordinary post, as it is lighter than the very complicated type, original seat post clamp.
Just bought one... Man, I'm LOVING it. I got the Pikes. Great product - no Brompton 'woke' ideology. I love Chinese efficiency.
@Anthony Pikes.. LOVE it, still.
@Anthony I bought it in Korea. Pikes are slightly larger than the other Brompton knockoff brands. Great quality though. I got mine on Naver. It's a Korean website.
Obviously you love British innovation and design then?
So you have a serious accident in order to enjoy a cheap bike? How can you recommend this shit?
I had no idea that a bike could be “woke”!
How long was the stock seatpost? I'm also 180cm tall, planning to get this bike too.
I'd get the extended seatpost. I'm the same height and I found the stock seatpost a tad bit too short.