this all reminds me of those old MS paint base edits where people would draw exactly like this, using the line tools to create lineart. feels really nostalgic now that i've been a digital artist for over half a decade.
Me:Sees this Me after watching video: I understood that animators and writers we're on strike, but by watching this I got a whole new angle as to how difficult animation is and that animators really need to get paid more! This is not just drawing, it's an insane proces....
Animators are not currently on strike, only SAG-AFTRA (actors) and the WGA (writers) are on strike! The Animation Guild’s contract ends next year. :] But I’m glad it gave you a new perspective nonetheless!!!
@@GalaxColor A union contract is a set of terms and conditions the company/employer and the union agreed upon. Contracts generally last around 3 years, and are negotiated again after it ends. Meaning, when the Animation Guild’s contract ends, that’s when they’ll negotiate with their employers, and if they don’t agree, there’s a chance they may strike. Hope this makes sense 👍
I’m a second year animation student and never thought of cleaning up by bending straight lines, I think I’m gonna give it a shot soon. Thanks for the idea, this video is so helpful!
Funny enough, after asking my animator boyfriend why Cotton Candy is good, he wondered if there was a breakdown video. And then I saw this was posted 3 minutes after I shared the link with him xD. Good job!
I'm a first year animation student and videos like these are really helpful and appreciated, especially because my school doesn't really teach any software. I'm also aspiring to be an intern for spindlehorse! Working on my portfolio
thank you for posting this! i naively had no idea what a clean-up artist is, since im not truly deeply into art. i never knew how much hard work and patience went into it!! awesome job!!
It's not something you'd normally knew about even if you were deeply into it. I'd like to break the stereotype that rough animators do everything or do the most of the work, in reality, it's just a half. I have no idea why, but there isn't enough information about cleanup animation. I wanna change that
H- How... That's impressive! I still find it interesting to watch people draw and animate, animate things like this! Also watching the progress of the episode is interesting too! Keep up your work!
I want to ask a question to a professional animator, like you; especially on working on helluva Boss + using Toonboom....how Long does it take you to animate a segment of animation (persay 10 - 20 seconds)? I get complexity...but in general??😮 I hope to someday work for real! Also Lovely work your partaking into creating this gorgeous cartoon and for the team!!!!!❤❤❤
10 seconds is a lot, 20 is huge. So it'd take me 2 weeks at least. More realistic is having 5 seconds per week if you're asking about work that gives you money. Thank you and good luck!
I'm an aspiring animator and this inspires me :) I'm doing GCSE art but plan to major in animation and I'll probably start an indie project or work for one!
I LOVE seeing stuff like this, but I could never do this. I would either have a slight panic attack, or I'd overcomplicate things. I need to figure out a way to stop drawing with 23 layers, 15 of which are invisible. lol Keep up the great work you guys!
This is so cool! As someone interested in going into a career in animation but cannot for the life of me actually draw action, it's so cool to see alternative career options that are still in the same field of work. Cleanup animation looks like a time-consuming undertaking, but it's also so satisfying to see the finished result, and I imagine that it's even more satisfying after being the one doing the work! This was so cool to see, and I definitely enjoyed being able to see the process. Great job! This looks really good!
I genuinely appreciate your insight into the use of vector brush contrasted with linetool, I've been using both but enjoy the linework via brush more, but ultimately the linetool is better because easier to work with later. You context for decisions in your process is priceless, thank you so much for this video, what a blessing
We usually pair every frame with the character design. That is why character has to be drawn front, side, and any angle in character's sheet if needed. If the dynamic action animation, keyposes of each movement must strictly look same, then the inbetween usually not as much details-it is fine. The point is the character sheet is your foundation. And yes solid drawing also the point to keep quality better.
This was actually helpful because I am trying to make animations independent from a studio so now I sort of understand the process. Also it was helpful to show that clean up is better with mouse due to making lines with less points.
Wait wait wait, you mean to tell me cleanup artist dont use their perfect strokes to clean, instead they use vector lines? That relieving and quite disappointing at the same time, great video! Im glad to see the process on this kind of stuff on a production for a series!
As someone who really wants to get into professional animation but is REALLY scared of it, what do you recommend I start off with when trying to get into the professional scene? :0
Omggggggg thank u for explaining every process !! I plan to use toonboom in the future, but my godddd do i not know shit about all the buttons and secret cheats and stuff to make life easier. Explaining how to do the colouring especially is just, MUAH
i always thought artists would draw curves from scratch, good thing to know that curving a straight line just works better instead. and man i should really practice using toon boom harmony more also, mega based mouse user. i'd always prefer being able to see my cursor on the screen and where the lines start and end.
Thank you for sharing this video! It's really hard to find a video were people show their progress when animating something for a series, I'm really curious about the process because I would like to enter in the industry someday. I'm learning on my own on how to use Toon Boom with some tutorials and your video is a really good experience on how it is done :D
I’ve wanted todo animation since I first saw vivziepop years ago. Some ppl find these videos to seem stressful and tedious and they probably are but omg would I kill to do this as a job
I love this video so much It really helped me get motivated to animate more !! I have a question, what toon boom pen or preset did you use to have the lines so straight and solid ?
Though I have large screen display pen, I'm still using lineart tool for cleanup since it has consistency weight and easy to control. If you use Clip Studio Paint, doing cleanup lineart in Vector Layer is a huge help as the lines are controllable, so the quality remains still. My standard studio is mostly 3.0, but rn I'm working on kid animation so the line weight must be 6.0-12.0 depending on hpw close/far character from camera.
Holy crap this video is super helpful and inspiring! I know ppl have already asked questions and I’m sorry to add one, if you wouldn’t mind answering I’d be super greatful! What devices do you use in this? I know u mentioned a Wacom tablet. And also- would you possibly be able to do this on something like procreate? I’m working on my animation skills! Thanks for your time, you’re amazing!
Device doesn’t matter in my opinion, I’ve been using UGEE screen tablet for this video, then I moved and had to switch back to my old Wacom intuos. Now Huion sent me their Kamvas 13, so it’s just a matter of comfort
You can do rough animation anywhere you like, including just paper, but for cleanup animation it depends on the software requirements. In this case it’s possible to achieve the necessary result only in Harmony
Probably weak PC? Or there are so much lines intersecting that it can't process it / there is a lack of RAM to process it You can "break" Harmony with this if you overdo and have a lot of lines on top of each other, program won't be able to do this properly because it's not supposed to process a lot of "sketchy" lines if that's the case
Now I wonder, what chair do you use, or what do you recommend when sitting at a desk for long periods of time? I struggle just playing games for a few hours, even moreso when drawing
Amazing work!!! I'm currently starting my 3rd year in animation and I had a couple questions if you wouldn't mind... Is the cleanup made from frame-by-frame animation or tweening? I couldn't see any tween motions in the timeline, so I'm really curious how you got the "lineart" to move so smoothly
i have toonsquid and i barely know how to use it.. i tried using the straight-line method you showed here, but i'm gonna have to get used to it lol it's so hard rn
How do you get those blue lines under the black ones and still color it in as if it's all on one layer? Everytime I try it won't work with the paint bucket.
In fact it is on the same layer, you can right click on the selected line and select "arrange" and put it above or below, or just turn the option called "draw behind", there's also a tool called "stencil brush"
I’m curious, what lineart tool for toonboom does these more dynamic lines? I don’t know anything about toonboom, but I was curious if there was a clip studio equivalent?
There is only one line tool. If by dynamic you mean its line weight, you simply choose another way to taper the line, or create your own template. It's not a Clip Studio equivalent, it's a vector-based software. They are two different programs.
As an outsider to animation, more of a programmer. My first thoughts go to, why is this not Rigged? Things like eyes don't change too often, and surely can be rigged to create certain movements with a few clicks. Rather than drawing each line individually every frame?
Sorry I know it's an old video, but how do you make crossed strokes stay "separated"? When i do mines they fuse together and I can no longer move them how i want! I think I accidentally clicked something 😭😭😭
I use Toon Boom Harmony 21 and 22 Premium!
I feel like I answered most frequently asked questions, so I won't be replying a lot
Which version?
@@dinoreina 21 and 22 premium
Broo
why do you use both versions tho? xD
@@Carmiineh hard to constantly pay for license, I switch to trials and back
i wouldnt be on the cleanup team if not for your cleanup timelapses!! you're a godsend lol
... wait, really?? i'm glad that it helped you :D
I love your fan animations . They are soo cool
@thelivingzombie8403 I think zan works on the official Heluva boss animations 😅 don't take my word for it tho, I'm not 100% sure.
@@TheGstaeta I know she is
@@TheGstaetathey are referring to the fan animations on their channel
this all reminds me of those old MS paint base edits where people would draw exactly like this, using the line tools to create lineart. feels really nostalgic now that i've been a digital artist for over half a decade.
SO TRUE
Ahhhh *hair turns gray* 2006-2009 deviantart era.....
@@emptyvoid_ guh- what's happening to me?!
*my body slowly morphs into one of those 2000s emo hair characters*
@@Sappysappster i wish that were me
I wonder how it felt, Unfortunately, I wasn't there 😞.
Me:Sees this
Me after watching video: I understood that animators and writers we're on strike, but by watching this I got a whole new angle as to how difficult animation is and that animators really need to get paid more!
This is not just drawing, it's an insane proces....
Animators are not currently on strike, only SAG-AFTRA (actors) and the WGA (writers) are on strike! The Animation Guild’s contract ends next year. :]
But I’m glad it gave you a new perspective nonetheless!!!
@@wolfieolfiesorry to bother but what does it mean that their contract ends next year?
@@GalaxColor A union contract is a set of terms and conditions the company/employer and the union agreed upon. Contracts generally last around 3 years, and are negotiated again after it ends. Meaning, when the Animation Guild’s contract ends, that’s when they’ll negotiate with their employers, and if they don’t agree, there’s a chance they may strike. Hope this makes sense 👍
@@wolfieolfie yes, thank you so much! It would be good for them to strike
I'm confused, What does strike mean in terms of Animations? Looking it up on Google is not showing it.
I’m a second year animation student and never thought of cleaning up by bending straight lines, I think I’m gonna give it a shot soon. Thanks for the idea, this video is so helpful!
"hey bli- OH PISS ON A"
Actually I think this is when luna say "A massive B-" possibly?
@@Starvazeno.
@@Weedzyproo ok-
NOW I GET IT HOW PEOPLE MAKE SÚCH CLEAN ANIMATIONS. I WAS SO CURIOUS
*patiently waits for procreate dreams*
Funny enough, after asking my animator boyfriend why Cotton Candy is good, he wondered if there was a breakdown video. And then I saw this was posted 3 minutes after I shared the link with him xD. Good job!
Damn this must’ve taken forever
it felt like forever yes
Please do more of these cleanup time lapses they’re so cool
I’ll try, thank you
I have laptop now, so it has become a bit harder :0 also, I have another one about Clip Studio if you’re interested :D
The way I gasped so loud when you said you drew with a freaking mouse. You are an absolutely mad lad, thats amazing bro 😭
That's how it was before the touch pads! It's how we learned :) I am 30. I wonder if they are around the same age as me.
I'm a first year animation student and videos like these are really helpful and appreciated, especially because my school doesn't really teach any software. I'm also aspiring to be an intern for spindlehorse! Working on my portfolio
Thank you for sharing this! I just started uni as an animation major and seeing this really motivates me to keep presuing my degree.
You got this!
Good luck:) going to uni in 4 yrs and I plan to major in animating, how is it?
if you are drawing the lines manually, the simplify tool is a life saver for cutting down on the number of points and getting a smooth line
Damn... Animating must be hell especially with really detailed characters
thank you for posting this! i naively had no idea what a clean-up artist is, since im not truly deeply into art. i never knew how much hard work and patience went into it!! awesome job!!
It's not something you'd normally knew about even if you were deeply into it. I'd like to break the stereotype that rough animators do everything or do the most of the work, in reality, it's just a half.
I have no idea why, but there isn't enough information about cleanup animation. I wanna change that
I do animation myself and this shows how difficult it can be 😭
damn that looks like it takes forever, good work love this series.
It does take forever every time….
H- How... That's impressive! I still find it interesting to watch people draw and animate, animate things like this! Also watching the progress of the episode is interesting too! Keep up your work!
I want to ask a question to a professional animator, like you; especially on working on helluva Boss + using Toonboom....how Long does it take you to animate a segment of animation (persay 10 - 20 seconds)? I get complexity...but in general??😮
I hope to someday work for real!
Also Lovely work your partaking into creating this gorgeous cartoon and for the team!!!!!❤❤❤
10 seconds is a lot, 20 is huge. So it'd take me 2 weeks at least. More realistic is having 5 seconds per week if you're asking about work that gives you money.
Thank you and good luck!
@@emptyvoid_ thank you very much!!! Thats good info to know!
@@emptyvoid_ as someone from the industry, that sound really reasonable
I'm an aspiring animator and this inspires me :) I'm doing GCSE art but plan to major in animation and I'll probably start an indie project or work for one!
This makes the animation process look so much less complicated. If only I had a powerful monitor or the newest one, I’d be animating my ass off. 😂
If your screen doesn't strain your eyes, then you're good to go :D
I was wondering how they made the line art so smooth, this is fascinating
Such a welcoming video, I'm a intermediate animator and never really worked with line-art like this. I love the final product!
I LOVE seeing stuff like this, but I could never do this. I would either have a slight panic attack, or I'd overcomplicate things. I need to figure out a way to stop drawing with 23 layers, 15 of which are invisible. lol
Keep up the great work you guys!
HAH! The team did an absolutely amazing job and I love how loona called blitzø dad!
This is so cool! As someone interested in going into a career in animation but cannot for the life of me actually draw action, it's so cool to see alternative career options that are still in the same field of work. Cleanup animation looks like a time-consuming undertaking, but it's also so satisfying to see the finished result, and I imagine that it's even more satisfying after being the one doing the work! This was so cool to see, and I definitely enjoyed being able to see the process. Great job! This looks really good!
This made me think a lot about just how different cleanup art really is from the rough animation.
I genuinely appreciate your insight into the use of vector brush contrasted with linetool, I've been using both but enjoy the linework via brush more, but ultimately the linetool is better because easier to work with later. You context for decisions in your process is priceless, thank you so much for this video, what a blessing
Can i ask how do you make the animation look solid? Like how do you make the character proportion looks the same in every frame?
Solid drawing skills - there's probably some info on that, it's an essential skill imo
We usually pair every frame with the character design. That is why character has to be drawn front, side, and any angle in character's sheet if needed. If the dynamic action animation, keyposes of each movement must strictly look same, then the inbetween usually not as much details-it is fine.
The point is the character sheet is your foundation. And yes solid drawing also the point to keep quality better.
You made me want to learn how to animate professionaly
Thank you so much for your work, its just amazing to see how lines become Loona, and it reminds how hard it is to draw an animation. Just awesome! ❤
I love how clean the show's animation is. Thank you for all your work
Massive respect for you. I would not be able to that even if i knew how to, I would literally go insane.
This was actually helpful because I am trying to make animations independent from a studio so now I sort of understand the process. Also it was helpful to show that clean up is better with mouse due to making lines with less points.
6:18 well that’s a strange spot to zoom in
Wait wait wait, you mean to tell me cleanup artist dont use their perfect strokes to clean, instead they use vector lines? That relieving and quite disappointing at the same time, great video! Im glad to see the process on this kind of stuff on a production for a series!
Thanks for sharing it and showing the real time speed ! That is really interesting. Nice job by the way =D
... i learned something today.
Thats pretty good
This is weirdly satisfying to watch
this motivates me to learn toonboom i am sick of not being able to work with proper vector lines LOOKING AT YOU CSPEX GUHHH
I didn't realize that clean up did so much work. You might as well be ink and paint as well as cleanup.
This was soo cool to see and learn. I don't draw, but I love seeing and understanding the process of animation
I can imagine how much hard work it is for the sake of a few shots.
Wow, I didn't know this is how it's made, really cool!!
I wish I can animate like this, the whole team that animates the episodes puts so much effort into it
The way they do lines is so interesting to me
As someone who really wants to get into professional animation but is REALLY scared of it, what do you recommend I start off with when trying to get into the professional scene? :0
I would advise not to be scared first of all. You'd need a portfolio to get any job like this - so the next step is to make one :0
so you worked on that gem of a scene
Yeah, I see where you all are rewatching most. Sickos.
I guess luckily for you, Dennis is probably still available.
This is oddly satisfying
5:44 "ofcoruse you would be a Dennis! }:
1:29 ohmagad Vika doesn't press Y to color!!
yes because i press X to win
This is actually super similar to how I do cleanup in Adobe Animate, so as someone who plans on learning ToonBoom this was really good to see 🤣
Omggggggg thank u for explaining every process !! I plan to use toonboom in the future, but my godddd do i not know shit about all the buttons and secret cheats and stuff to make life easier. Explaining how to do the colouring especially is just, MUAH
i always thought artists would draw curves from scratch, good thing to know that curving a straight line just works better instead. and man i should really practice using toon boom harmony more
also, mega based mouse user. i'd always prefer being able to see my cursor on the screen and where the lines start and end.
I THOUGHT Y’ALL JUST USED A NORMAL BRUSH BUT ITS VECTORS ???
Thank you for sharing this video! It's really hard to find a video were people show their progress when animating something for a series, I'm really curious about the process because I would like to enter in the industry someday. I'm learning on my own on how to use Toon Boom with some tutorials and your video is a really good experience on how it is done :D
I’ve wanted todo animation since I first saw vivziepop years ago. Some ppl find these videos to seem stressful and tedious and they probably are but omg would I kill to do this as a job
vivzie giving loonas dress a gradient feels insanely evil 🙏🙏
This was fascinating to watch ❤️
You're telling me my skills with the Microsoft Paint curve line tool can be put to use?
absolutely yes
This gave me Adobe illustrator pen tool war flashbacks
4:45 now that answerw my question on how they divide it into parts but still are able to color it
:D
People call me mad for using a mouse too.... but it's more accurate.
I never thought about using different colored line art
this is so cool even tho i dunno wuts helluva boss
I love this video so much It really helped me get motivated to animate more !!
I have a question, what toon boom pen or preset did you use to have the lines so straight and solid ?
Probably "fixed thickness" or others, but for more clean line majority used fixed thickness, at least that's what I use T T
Amazing
As vivzie's background artist it does take a lot of patience and skills. I do draw on mouse
6:28 LOL 🤣
Though I have large screen display pen, I'm still using lineart tool for cleanup since it has consistency weight and easy to control. If you use Clip Studio Paint, doing cleanup lineart in Vector Layer is a huge help as the lines are controllable, so the quality remains still. My standard studio is mostly 3.0, but rn I'm working on kid animation so the line weight must be 6.0-12.0 depending on hpw close/far character from camera.
Cleanup with a mouse?!- no no, I've been there... viruses don't care if that shot is due today or on Monday. 😂
You can save your wrist by switching to tablet, doing taps on the tablet instead of mouse clicks...
i feel so bad for this person lmao the complex designs of this show destroy me
THATS SO AMAZING, How long does this all take to do????
this shot took me less than a week if I remember correctly
Именно так создаются шедевры 😊
Holy crap this video is super helpful and inspiring! I know ppl have already asked questions and I’m sorry to add one, if you wouldn’t mind answering I’d be super greatful!
What devices do you use in this? I know u mentioned a Wacom tablet. And also- would you possibly be able to do this on something like procreate? I’m working on my animation skills! Thanks for your time, you’re amazing!
Device doesn’t matter in my opinion, I’ve been using UGEE screen tablet for this video, then I moved and had to switch back to my old Wacom intuos. Now Huion sent me their Kamvas 13, so it’s just a matter of comfort
You can do rough animation anywhere you like, including just paper, but for cleanup animation it depends on the software requirements. In this case it’s possible to achieve the necessary result only in Harmony
@@emptyvoid_ Thank you so much for the help! I hope you have a great day! :D
Awesome!
I would like to know what program was used to do the cleanup °-°
But, it's interesting saw this video and know how the cleanup make! ^^
I honestly wondered how they did animation for helluva boss
R u telling me--- THAT Y'ALL USE VECTORSS!?!?!??!?!
6:44 what do I do if it crashes everytime I try it
Probably weak PC? Or there are so much lines intersecting that it can't process it / there is a lack of RAM to process it
You can "break" Harmony with this if you overdo and have a lot of lines on top of each other, program won't be able to do this properly because it's not supposed to process a lot of "sketchy" lines if that's the case
The clean up looks simple, but by curiosity, how is it exactly?
the key word - "looks"
average shot like this takes me 3-7 days on average
@@emptyvoid_How long do you work each day and what brush are you using here? Love your work so much!! 💖
@@Finnerroo it's not a brush but a pencil tool, just an average smooth vector line. I work 4-12 hours every day and it's different every time.
@@emptyvoid_ wow, that really shows how long an average shot will take! Thank you so much for replying
Now I wonder, what chair do you use, or what do you recommend when sitting at a desk for long periods of time? I struggle just playing games for a few hours, even moreso when drawing
Omg frfr. Tag me if they answer
tbh the one that doesn't hurt my back; i'm small and all chairs are too big for me, I still have to sacrifice some of my comfort
Great video, it made me feel even more tilted about having no skills in drawing and compositing the painting. :)
Amazing work!!! I'm currently starting my 3rd year in animation and I had a couple questions if you wouldn't mind...
Is the cleanup made from frame-by-frame animation or tweening? I couldn't see any tween motions in the timeline, so I'm really curious how you got the "lineart" to move so smoothly
usually I don't use tweening unless there's no other way, but I wouldn't say it's a prohibited thing to do
heey may I ask you something
Did you just deleted the blue lines here? 8:07
I don't know how to make this kind of details faster...
Select by color > apply to all frames > hit delete :D
@@emptyvoid_ oh thank you so much!! I love your content btw
In layers part is there times were is also other body parts like arms,leg,head and stuff?
i have toonsquid and i barely know how to use it.. i tried using the straight-line method you showed here, but i'm gonna have to get used to it lol it's so hard rn
@@EggyEggPie it’s not like I make you to use it, do what best suits you :)
@@emptyvoid_ yea ik :] seeing you do it is really impressive and i’m gonna give it another shot
i noticed that you do clean up on seperate files. Is that necessary for clean up or you can just do cleanups on just one animation layer?
Coool ❤❤
2:19 what's that music ?
"Golden wind" on a recorder
0:36 music name pls!!
Quick question: What app is this and what device can you get it on. Thank you 😁
is it technically frame bt frame animation then?
How do you get those blue lines under the black ones and still color it in as if it's all on one layer? Everytime I try it won't work with the paint bucket.
In fact it is on the same layer, you can right click on the selected line and select "arrange" and put it above or below, or just turn the option called "draw behind", there's also a tool called "stencil brush"
I’m curious, what lineart tool for toonboom does these more dynamic lines? I don’t know anything about toonboom, but I was curious if there was a clip studio equivalent?
There is only one line tool. If by dynamic you mean its line weight, you simply choose another way to taper the line, or create your own template.
It's not a Clip Studio equivalent, it's a vector-based software. They are two different programs.
What Brush do you use for the clean up on harmony???
🤔
As an outsider to animation, more of a programmer. My first thoughts go to, why is this not Rigged?
Things like eyes don't change too often, and surely can be rigged to create certain movements with a few clicks. Rather than drawing each line individually every frame?
Sometimes it is "rigged", I put eyes that don't change into a peg. I don't do every single frame since it's vector.
Sorry I know it's an old video, but how do you make crossed strokes stay "separated"? When i do mines they fuse together and I can no longer move them how i want! I think I accidentally clicked something 😭😭😭
@@Acme_the_rubberhose_dog I usually just move one of them a few pixels and they “unfuse” 😂
What program are u using ? 😮