"You can buy a similar specced bike for half the price, but thats just how it is" Just how it is??? That should be a MAJOR point in your analysis, not just worth a "meh" moment in your review, dont forget you are reviewing this bikes for the average consumer, who values the price-to-quality ratio. Dont let these big companies rip us off.
This was a first ride - just an introduction and some riding impressions. If we were reviewing this bike here, the price would definitely impact on the rating. The thing is, it's common knowledge that you can get a bike with a similar spec direct from the brand for a lot less money. But people still want to own a Santa Cruz. That's their decision. Perhaps one day Santa Cruz will move to a direct sales model like Intense has done in the UK and prices will instantly drop £1k, but then people will probably moan that the independent dealer is being killed off. At the moment, consumers are the winners, because you have the choice to buy online or face to face with a salesperson in a shop. Surely that's a good thing?
I ride a Bronson c 2019 and lemme tell you it’s a dream to ride. I am blessed a good job and that’s how I able to get this bike.. but no other bike I’ve owned. Planted, quick, pedals very good.. big drop eating.. looks amazing.. i changed the rockshocks super deluxe to a Caine Creek double barrel coil.. it was expensive but no body has ever said a bad word about it
Journalists of the bike industy must be the planets easierst people to impress. It's the same stuff every year: -"The [hyped bike atm] is by far the best bike I've ever seen! The [whatever barely noticeable feature] make you think you are in a bike with far more suspension. The geometry change makes the bike such a better climbing machine [on paper]...." Would be nice to see a 5-year retrospective of all the "best bikes you've ever ridden and all the reused arguments" 😂 The Bronson looks great tho 😋
We understand where you're coming from, but equally incremental changes/improvements do make a difference. Ride a first generation Bronson back-to-back with the latest one and we defy you not to notice a (positive) difference.
Mountain Bike Rider don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching reviews of new bikes and I'd agree that there's a difference between the first and the 2019 Bronson (mainly due to it's slacker/ longer geometry). I just think that the cycling industry is pushing new trends faster than journalists can think up proper arguments to follow them. 😜
Ha, that may be so! It's pretty relentless, but we think that's also really exciting. It would be so dull if the only thing to change every year was a paint job.
Man, I just can't imagine that this bike would be twice as fun as a bike that's half its price. I suppose you could say that about most anything though, and if your bank account says you can afford it, I guess that's all that matters...... Even if I could afford it, I would still buy 2 awesome bikes for less than this thing - but I've always been an SLX type guy myself.
As an SC dealer, the price disclaimer is silly. They make an alloy frame with kits starting in the low 3k range (USD). Carbon bikes start around 4k. They have several build kits that give you great performance at a great price. S build, carbon frame for 5k is the sweet spot IMO, DT 370 hubs, full GX Eagle, Fox 36 Perf fork, nice kit for the cash. Go talk to a dealer or check out the SC website, this bike is WAY more attainable then he's making it out to be.
True, but of course brands never give us the 'affordable' model to ride at a launch. It's always the top end model so it's impossible to say if there's a sweet spot lower down the range.
lol the only comparable bike to this is the pivot switchblade C X01 Eagle build if we're gonna be honest, idk what we're getting into with half price talk on comparable bikes it's simply not the case, unless you mean taking carbon "downgrades" or riding aluminum.. that's just the price of the "good" carbon currently. We see this demonstrated on Pivot, Santa Cruz, and even Giant now so this 5,500-7,500 dollar thing seems pretty normal for super bikes. I'm not a fan of the price either but I'm still definitely buying one in the Carbon S build (not CC) and saving a ton while still getting the same suspension and what, like 4 less teeth in my interchangable cassette? yeah I think I'll live.
That's a beautiful bike, but the part: "You can buy a bike for the half a price with similar spec" puts almost everyone off. Not every one is ready to pay 2x the price for the 'Santa Cruz' text in the frame.
Most SC dealers in California don't sell them at full MSRP. It's no different than buying a car, of course there's a price tag hanging on it with full MSRP listed but only a fool would pay the sticker price and just like cars when the new models hit the floor last years instantly get marked down. When I bought my Bronson Carbon C S, retail on it was 5 grand US end of the season and the new models had just arrived haggled and paid $2800.00 brand new with a lifetime frame warranty. I'll wait until the 20's are out in about a year and pick up a 2019 well below retail. It also helps living in California near Santa Cruz where there a lot of dealers.
The lifetime warrantee is nothing special in fact I know two people that have had issues with warrantee and had to pay for repairs themselves, one was a cassette / derailleur issue and the other was with those shit novatec hubs they were fitting on them. It is a joke that they even used novatec on these bikes they are so bad.
@@georgepapa9981 Those crappy novatech hubs and drive train issues occurred when the bike was less than 6 months old and had not done that many miles. The bike was purchased fully built up so not very good that the owner had to pay to get fixed up especially when those hubs are known to be rubbish. So not really acceptable.
@@TheAllEngineering The frame and the bearings on all the pivots are life time warranty. There's no manufactures that will warranty a third party's component for life. Especially something that is considered a wear part like a cassette. I think the use of Novatec hubs on entry models was short lived and the result of SC being bought back in 2015 by Pon Holdings SC has gone back to Sram MTH hubs on the entry models. Lifetime frame warranty on the frame isn't as unique as it once was, now days Specialized, Trek, Giant and Yeti and even Transition all offer lifetime on their frames but most direct sales like Canyon, YT and others still have limited warranties for 1 to 7 years depending with plenty of stories on various forums of them not wanting to honor their warranty even within the expressed time frame. I know people that have sent SC frames back after 10 years and got free replacements of what the current model equivalent would be in one case they replaced a 2009 Al frame Nomad 2 with a 2018 Bronson 2 CC Frame. Sad truth is all manufactures of consumer products these days not just bikes look for any reason not to warranty something, car forums are full of warranty horror stories.
@@mikef2270 Still pretty poor when free hub fails in less than 6 months, and the drive train had chain jumping off all the time and damaging the frame right from new and not covered in warrantee. Once components changed all problems resolved. Pretty poor really.
For such a well known magazine review such a high end magazine I would expect you to at least use a gimbal or tighten your chest strap for the pov footage, spoilt a otherwise good video
You're not gonna feel the extra money's worth when you're on the trails, even though its a great bike. A YT or a Scott would do the same job for the experience for half the price. "But that's just the way it is"
WRONG,,!!! Most of em are worn and need a total overhaul,,,!!!! MY WHYTE G160 CRS you can't get secondhand,,!!!! Most of them are knackerd,,!!! Scrap heaps deffo,,!!! Bearings gone,,, keep away,!!!
tom Taylor ive checked all bearings tl see if their warn. But their not. I just got a really lucky offer. Not saying its the best way to buy a bike. But on a budget its a very good option
tom Taylor I paid £700 for a 2015 Lapierre Zesty, I got a good deal. Nothing was worn on, nothing needed replacing, the only reason I have changes parts is for upgrades. I think the only thing standard since I bought it are the dropper post and the wheels
Wow. Soo much chatter on the price. Santa Cruz is on target with every other brand. They offer cheaper models. There are bikes that are way more expensive. Way. Besides yt I'm sure China has a cheap bike for those critics looking for bargain prices.
Santa Cruz would be pretty stupid to make a bike that's only suitable for Californian dust. It's built to accept 3.0in tyres, so clearance shouldn't be an issue.
Started great then the riding video starts...You Need to start using stabiliser mate. Awful to watch. Not all your audience has great eye. Virtigo galore.
santa cruz spending big money on mbr advertising apparently. in other bike media sources who were not payed by santa cruz but by canyon, they say the bike is expensive or plawy...
Unfortunately (we'd love the opposite to be the case) Santa Cruz has barely spent any money on advertising with us over the last five years. From memory, we had one Juliana advert last year, but that was it. Same story online.
Phil Jones it doesn't matter that it's overpriced it's not aimed at people who think like that. It's aimed at people with more money than brains that want a luxury bike. 4x more expensive rarely means 4x better quality.
Don't say that,,, I've just bought my family of 27 one each 1 for me nan & grandad,,,, don't say that please,,, I feel ripped of now,,, thanks,,!!! There an upgrade from there B TWINS,,,,,!!!
Nothing particularly insane about saying "it's a nice bike that costs more money than some other bikes with a similar specification", is there? Which is basically what we're saying.
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The opening price disclaimer was hilarious, basically ended 40% of the comment section 😂
"You can buy a similar specced bike for half the price, but thats just how it is"
Just how it is??? That should be a MAJOR point in your analysis, not just worth a "meh" moment in your review, dont forget you are reviewing this bikes for the average consumer, who values the price-to-quality ratio. Dont let these big companies rip us off.
would never buy a santa cruz for this reason
Couldn't have said it better, this comment should be read by everyone watching this video
Lifetime Warranty Frame and Lifetime Warranty Wheels. This has a big value to some.
And that's for the fully loaded bike, you can get one with aluminum frame and lower specs for $3499 USD
This was a first ride - just an introduction and some riding impressions. If we were reviewing this bike here, the price would definitely impact on the rating. The thing is, it's common knowledge that you can get a bike with a similar spec direct from the brand for a lot less money. But people still want to own a Santa Cruz. That's their decision. Perhaps one day Santa Cruz will move to a direct sales model like Intense has done in the UK and prices will instantly drop £1k, but then people will probably moan that the independent dealer is being killed off. At the moment, consumers are the winners, because you have the choice to buy online or face to face with a salesperson in a shop. Surely that's a good thing?
I ride a Bronson c 2019 and lemme tell you it’s a dream to ride. I am blessed a good job and that’s how I able to get this bike.. but no other bike I’ve owned. Planted, quick, pedals very good.. big drop eating.. looks amazing.. i changed the rockshocks super deluxe to a Caine Creek double barrel coil.. it was expensive but no body has ever said a bad word about it
"But that's just the way it is." Well done, I like this guy. Haha.
You have me sold. Just ordered a frame.
Journalists of the bike industy must be the planets easierst people to impress.
It's the same stuff every year:
-"The [hyped bike atm] is by far the best bike I've ever seen! The [whatever barely noticeable feature] make you think you are in a bike with far more suspension. The geometry change makes the bike such a better climbing machine [on paper]...."
Would be nice to see a 5-year retrospective of all the "best bikes you've ever ridden and all the reused arguments" 😂
The Bronson looks great tho 😋
We understand where you're coming from, but equally incremental changes/improvements do make a difference. Ride a first generation Bronson back-to-back with the latest one and we defy you not to notice a (positive) difference.
Mountain Bike Rider don't get me wrong. I enjoy watching reviews of new bikes and I'd agree that there's a difference between the first and the 2019 Bronson (mainly due to it's slacker/ longer geometry).
I just think that the cycling industry is pushing new trends faster than journalists can think up proper arguments to follow them. 😜
Ha, that may be so! It's pretty relentless, but we think that's also really exciting. It would be so dull if the only thing to change every year was a paint job.
Man, I just can't imagine that this bike would be twice as fun as a bike that's half its price. I suppose you could say that about most anything though, and if your bank account says you can afford it, I guess that's all that matters...... Even if I could afford it, I would still buy 2 awesome bikes for less than this thing - but I've always been an SLX type guy myself.
WORD!
The representer is fucking hilarious: "You could buy a bike for half the price with the same spec, but that's just how it is" hagaga
As an SC dealer, the price disclaimer is silly. They make an alloy frame with kits starting in the low 3k range (USD). Carbon bikes start around 4k. They have several build kits that give you great performance at a great price. S build, carbon frame for 5k is the sweet spot IMO, DT 370 hubs, full GX Eagle, Fox 36 Perf fork, nice kit for the cash. Go talk to a dealer or check out the SC website, this bike is WAY more attainable then he's making it out to be.
True, but of course brands never give us the 'affordable' model to ride at a launch. It's always the top end model so it's impossible to say if there's a sweet spot lower down the range.
lol the only comparable bike to this is the pivot switchblade C X01 Eagle build if we're gonna be honest, idk what we're getting into with half price talk on comparable bikes it's simply not the case, unless you mean taking carbon "downgrades" or riding aluminum.. that's just the price of the "good" carbon currently. We see this demonstrated on Pivot, Santa Cruz, and even Giant now so this 5,500-7,500 dollar thing seems pretty normal for super bikes. I'm not a fan of the price either but I'm still definitely buying one in the Carbon S build (not CC) and saving a ton while still getting the same suspension and what, like 4 less teeth in my interchangable cassette? yeah I think I'll live.
It's going full circle trail bikes are starting to look like downhill bikes.
Brutal
Great bike my Wife love.
That's a beautiful bike, but the part: "You can buy a bike for the half a price with similar spec" puts almost everyone off. Not every one is ready to pay 2x the price for the 'Santa Cruz' text in the frame.
Tomi Saaranen “puts almost everyone off” have you not seen how popular Santa Cruz are? Lol
Not actually
Most SC dealers in California don't sell them at full MSRP. It's no different than buying a car, of course there's a price tag hanging on it with full MSRP listed but only a fool would pay the sticker price and just like cars when the new models hit the floor last years instantly get marked down. When I bought my Bronson Carbon C S, retail on it was 5 grand US end of the season and the new models had just arrived haggled and paid $2800.00 brand new with a lifetime frame warranty. I'll wait until the 20's are out in about a year and pick up a 2019 well below retail. It also helps living in California near Santa Cruz where there a lot of dealers.
The lifetime warrantee is nothing special in fact I know two people that have had issues with warrantee and had to pay for repairs themselves, one was a cassette / derailleur issue and the other was with those shit novatec hubs they were fitting on them. It is a joke that they even used novatec on these bikes they are so bad.
@@TheAllEngineering the lifetime warranty is for the frame and for the carbon rims for a SC bike. The components are not covered by LT warranty.
@@georgepapa9981 Those crappy novatech hubs and drive train issues occurred when the bike was less than 6 months old and had not done that many miles. The bike was purchased fully built up so not very good that the owner had to pay to get fixed up especially when those hubs are known to be rubbish. So not really acceptable.
@@TheAllEngineering The frame and the bearings on all the pivots are life time warranty. There's no manufactures that will warranty a third party's component for life. Especially something that is considered a wear part like a cassette. I think the use of Novatec hubs on entry models was short lived and the result of SC being bought back in 2015 by Pon Holdings SC has gone back to Sram MTH hubs on the entry models. Lifetime frame warranty on the frame isn't as unique as it once was, now days Specialized, Trek, Giant and Yeti and even Transition all offer lifetime on their frames but most direct sales like Canyon, YT and others still have limited warranties for 1 to 7 years depending with plenty of stories on various forums of them not wanting to honor their warranty even within the expressed time frame. I know people that have sent SC frames back after 10 years and got free replacements of what the current model equivalent would be in one case they replaced a 2009 Al frame Nomad 2 with a 2018 Bronson 2 CC Frame. Sad truth is all manufactures of consumer products these days not just bikes look for any reason not to warranty something, car forums are full of warranty horror stories.
@@mikef2270 Still pretty poor when free hub fails in less than 6 months, and the drive train had chain jumping off all the time and damaging the frame right from new and not covered in warrantee. Once components changed all problems resolved. Pretty poor really.
Nice review but the price is silly.
Reviews for a bike I can afford and am considering: 3 or 4. Reviews for bikes that are completely out of my range: Gazillions! :(
Which bikes are you considering?
I can buy this bike! if I work 12 hour shifts for 6 months (and not eat or pay my rent).
Deal,,,
tom Taylor
Naa, my next bike is a 29er.
A pole 140/158 (maybe) or the new marin.
MK IZ .....I’m willing to starve my self to buy this bike. 😁
Lol I literally just did that
For such a well known magazine review such a high end magazine I would expect you to at least use a gimbal or tighten your chest strap for the pov footage, spoilt a otherwise good video
That’s just the way it is... pftttt
2019 Bronson or 2019 Stumpy. Dang I’m having a hell of a time deciding which bike to go with. Any advice or opinions anyone??
Ordered
You're not gonna feel the extra money's worth when you're on the trails, even though its a great bike. A YT or a Scott would do the same job for the experience for half the price. "But that's just the way it is"
Holy crap that footage is unwatchable..why even show it? Get a gimbal for God's sake.
Manny Fonseca well he spent all the money on the bike
£7000 for a mountain bike I can get a motorbike for that
Hi, how heavy are you as a rider and what's your shock and fork PSI? Thank you.
Sale or 2nd hand bikes are the way. My bike cost 2000 new. I got it for 340. Of gumtree in great spec
What bike was that?
Ollie Richards felt doctrine 4 2016.
WRONG,,!!! Most of em are worn and need a total overhaul,,,!!!! MY WHYTE G160 CRS you can't get secondhand,,!!!! Most of them are knackerd,,!!! Scrap heaps deffo,,!!! Bearings gone,,, keep away,!!!
tom Taylor ive checked all bearings tl see if their warn. But their not. I just got a really lucky offer. Not saying its the best way to buy a bike. But on a budget its a very good option
tom Taylor I paid £700 for a 2015 Lapierre Zesty, I got a good deal. Nothing was worn on, nothing needed replacing, the only reason I have changes parts is for upgrades. I think the only thing standard since I bought it are the dropper post and the wheels
Can you also make a video about the new 5010
This bike sounds so good !!@
Wants to sound like a Lamborghini,,,!!!!!
"plump" hahahahaha
You guys should do a review of the stredd dogg from guerrilla gravity looks like a supper capeble trial bike
Shit bike
A trek stache will kill this bike
The new tunnel in the seat tube... seems like a step back to old outdated designs.
Wow. Soo much chatter on the price. Santa Cruz is on target with every other brand. They offer cheaper models. There are bikes that are way more expensive. Way. Besides yt I'm sure China has a cheap bike for those critics looking for bargain prices.
Why would I ride a bike built for California in the U.K. mud?
Nice clearance of the B.B!
Santa Cruz would be pretty stupid to make a bike that's only suitable for Californian dust. It's built to accept 3.0in tyres, so clearance shouldn't be an issue.
Think I would rather buy a Vitus from CR and a hardtail to go with it
They are people who suffer from Santa Cruz vanity anxiety lol
Looks good but its way overprice
You can buy a HB160 and still have money to buy another bike bruh 😩😩
Well you could buy 10 crap bikes also, but why would you?
Stupid how expensive bikes are these days
Started great then the riding video starts...You Need to start using stabiliser mate. Awful to watch. Not all your audience has great eye. Virtigo galore.
Agreed, the chesty cam was not the best.
29 inch wheels?? LOOK AT THE FOOKEN TYRE MATE 2:26
Alex Mason MTB the voiceover says “the Bronson hasn’t changed to 29in wheels but now accepts up to 2.8in tyres”
Mountain Bike Rider hmm sounds like hasn’t changed ‘the’ 29 inch wheels but okay.
Or you could buy an Orbea Rallon.....
santa cruz spending big money on mbr advertising apparently. in other bike media sources who were not payed by santa cruz but by canyon, they say the bike is expensive or plawy...
Apparently according to whom? They may want to get their facts straight.
No bike is worth thousands just pure greed
I have to say knowing how mbr worked in the past, how much is a review, and how much of this is due to mbr wanting that Santa Cruz marketing money.
Unfortunately (we'd love the opposite to be the case) Santa Cruz has barely spent any money on advertising with us over the last five years. From memory, we had one Juliana advert last year, but that was it. Same story online.
7k? Absolutely pathetic I've got a Scott Genius LT 710 Plus which cost me 2.5k in a sale and is easily just as good as this
Phil Jones I assume you have ridden this Bronson then?
I don`t think the Bronson is 3 times better than the Genius
Rbn I actually have twice. It just shows how pathetically overpriced this is compared to my Scott and others like YT and Nukeproof
Twice in 12 days of it being released? Dang that's good work. Where did you go to demo/test ride them?
Phil Jones it doesn't matter that it's overpriced it's not aimed at people who think like that. It's aimed at people with more money than brains that want a luxury bike. 4x more expensive rarely means 4x better quality.
2:28 27.5*
Cal the voiceover says “the Bronson hasn’t changed to 29in wheels but now accepts up to 2.8in tyres”
Fucking rip-off.
Don't say that,,, I've just bought my family of 27 one each 1 for me nan & grandad,,,, don't say that please,,, I feel ripped of now,,, thanks,,!!! There an upgrade from there B TWINS,,,,,!!!
over hyped and priced more of the usual from Santa Cruz mbr drank the koolaid IMO
Nothing particularly insane about saying "it's a nice bike that costs more money than some other bikes with a similar specification", is there? Which is basically what we're saying.
not as good as the Ibis Ripmo IMHO
Fucking rip off........ take my money I want it