Relativism in Altman's 'The Long Goodbye' | Philosopher Katja Vogt and Artist Jens Haas

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  • @michaelokorodudu2315
    @michaelokorodudu2315 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is such a fucking good film essay. I totally understand the film now. It was immersive and enducing that the theme song and slow 70s camera pan was so mesmerising the narrative didn’t wash over me. But I totally get it now. 2nd time watching too. Beautiful film and amazing essay. Thank you

  • @rainydayswithdogs
    @rainydayswithdogs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is an insightful analysis of of a great movie. Really well made video, thanks very much.

  • @16inchesoc41
    @16inchesoc41 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    So....the cat is not a relativist? I'm not sure where any of this commentary is going.

  • @mikebelbin
    @mikebelbin หลายเดือนก่อน

    Marlowe is a hero: he makes a mistake (helps a bad guy) then chases the truth - despite what others
    are doing or whether they care. At the end he corrects the mistake with justice. He may be a loser but
    he's no fink.

  • @coliohso
    @coliohso 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    a concept like relativism is almost so general and ubiquitous now that is retains very little substance when applied to criticism. It just doesnt illuminute much as a critical lens.

    • @Michael-vk1vr
      @Michael-vk1vr ปีที่แล้ว

      The private eye lives in a morally relative world. It's true in Chinatown and Rockford files. They're just trying to show off their fancy smanchy college degrees

  • @liammcooper
    @liammcooper ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the critical commentators should be pointed to how earlier film noir was non-relativistic in order to understand what makes Marlowe different

  • @novaboy49
    @novaboy49 ปีที่แล้ว

    Elliott did a good job as Marlowe, but for my money, Marlowe will always be Dick Powell.

  • @recepmmutlu
    @recepmmutlu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    great content

  • @ivokolk3840
    @ivokolk3840 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    relativism need not be completely absurd at all when analyzed from a contemporary metaphysical standpoint. take hugely influential figures such as Hilary Putnam
    or others such as Eli Hirsch. Relativism is absolutely not as much of a stretch as you’re making it seem.

  • @seethevolcane
    @seethevolcane ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great movie. Obvious, boring commentary.

  • @longcastle4863
    @longcastle4863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why do people ruin their youtube videos by putting in annoying distracting music over which you have to struggle to get what they're saying?

  • @guyjperson
    @guyjperson 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Counterpoint to the last guy: This movie is horse shit. It does a half assed strip down scene solely to show off Ahnald's muscles. The improvised, overlapping dialogue is more stilted than scripted stuff because the actors have been told to cross over each other's words, but have nothing to work with. The Ernest Hemingway stand in sux. The Nazi from the Blues Brothers sux. I'll put the misogyny down to the era. I have heard about this film for quite a while, and have had it for a while, but finally watched it tonight. It is terrible. I like Altman, I liked Gould in this, I liked catching all the character actors just starting out. Altman is great at giving random characters "business". But this is a bad detective movie, and a bad film. Damn, I'm disappointed.

  • @Royalmunozz
    @Royalmunozz 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    exelent analisis 10/10

  • @RobertSlover
    @RobertSlover 4 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    pretentious ramblings.....

    • @jimmiller7584
      @jimmiller7584 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      *clicks onto a film analysis regarding relativism in a movie just to insert his opinion about the narrators*

    • @RobertSlover
      @RobertSlover 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jimmiller7584 pretentious ramblings.....

  • @XavierKatzone
    @XavierKatzone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Naw - he's just a '70s character, the film is chock-full of tropes, and the repetition of the song in variation gets real old, real quick. This Marlowe is inept. He's more like Mastroianni in La Dolce Vita, just watching life go by. If you want a real "detective outta time," try Mickey Rourke in Angel Heart. But this Altman film is boring me. I just now made it to Wade drowning, and took a break. Sterling Hayden is the best character in the film. Not sure I'll even finish it.

    • @aa.2864
      @aa.2864 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      man really said angel heart LMAO

    • @Rasinlaser
      @Rasinlaser 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It also took me a while to watch this movie (two sittings, you have to have patients with these older movies) but it wasn’t bad, but by no means is it the best Chandler adaptation on the silver screen … No that title is held for the Cohen’s brothers Big Lebowski( obviously the Humphrey Bogart’s Marlowe character is tremendous). Lastly I don’t agree with your hypothesis that Marcello in La Dolce Vita was just watching life pass by, the whole time he wants to get “in with the popular kids” and by the end I think he achieves that.

    • @blueonblack83
      @blueonblack83 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Max William Lauf He is not just upset about the cat. He is upset because his friend lied to him, used him and almost got away with murder, and everyone he met in the movie treated him like a dog.

    • @liammcooper
      @liammcooper ปีที่แล้ว +3

      lol imagine thinking angel heart is better than a long goodbye

    • @forrestphilpot
      @forrestphilpot ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I love Angel Heart but this comment is crazy lol. This movie is an ultra wide lens on 70s and California culture, has a great relationship with dialogues and the comedy of misunderstandings, and lets Gould be a total powerhouse in every vignette of interaction he’s placed in. This couldn’t be farther from a movie like Angel Heart, which is so intentionally dark, spooky, and straight. Maybe go at it again with a different perspective? Or it just isn’t for you, which is fine. But your initial reaction to it is wrong.

  • @Michael-vk1vr
    @Michael-vk1vr ปีที่แล้ว

    There was always a sense of relatisim in the pi genre