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Is Room Correction the Answer? The NAD M33 Integrated Amplifier Review (Take 2, Ep:18)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ต.ค. 2020
- On September 15, 2020, Roger Kanno reviewed the NAD Masters M33 integrated amplifier-DAC for SoundStage! Hi-Fi and wrote: “NAD’s Masters M33 is an incredible achievement for a leading-edge integrated amplifier. . . . NAD’s implementation of their Hybrid Digital version of Purifi Audio’s Eigentakt amplifier has resulted in excellent sound - and the M33 does so much more. It has nearly every option you could want in an integrated amp, including Dirac Live’s top-flight room correction and a highly capable streaming platform.”
You can read Roger’s full review here: www.soundstage...
Roger’s rave review of the M33 earned it a Reviewers’ Choice award when it was published. Now, in this Take 2 episode, Jay Lee takes a second look at the M33 to give his impressions and to make further observations that he thinks are important. Jay also talks about the M33’s Eigentakt amplifier technology and makes reference to the demonstration amplifier that Purifi made to showcase it, which he also reviewed in a previous Take 2 episode. Here’s the link to that video: • Is This the Best Class...
Enjoy!
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For me, Dirac room correction took my system to the next level. At first, I did not bother to try it cause the M33 is so good that I did not think it could do much better and I was afraid to lose some sound resolution/details. After Two months I tried it, and it is awesome. The sound stage is huge and for me its like hearing the songs for the first time. For those who are lucky to have the M33, do take the effort. I recommend you use a ruler to accurately position the microphone and do not place it approximately. there is a noticeable difference.
Jay - Mark Schifter here - SUPERB JOB with this review. Roger Kanno is a World Class Expert and I'm really thrilled with your Video Recap here. Not an easy product to review or compare/contrast to others. Bravo man... colour me very impressed
Best wishes
I'm glad that you mentioned Dirac is a per case basis. I have a separate Dirac unit...and I found the same thing. And like you said...VERY good if you have little to no room correction. Great video!
cheers !
I have both Dirac and Anthem Genesis room correction available to me, the former built into my NAD M33 and the latter in my pair of Martin Logan powered subs. I tried calibrating with Dirac several times, was dissatisfied with the results each time and I went back to using the Anthem technology which in my opinion is very effective for my own purposes.
You might then be interested in our podcast with Dr. Peter Schuck, the creator of Anthem Room Correction. He's one of the pioneers of the technology. This is part 1. Part 2 is coming in two more days. www.podbean.com/ew/pb-7effe-15c3559
@@soundstagenetwork thank you, I will check it out
Thanks for pointing out the differences between the original Purifi Eigentakt
and the home brew NAD Version of it and the overall good Review on the M33 :-)
Thanks for the nice and honest review especially about Dirac. Very Informative. P/s: if I am right you have a Dali Rubicon/ Epicon 8 at your back. Looking forward to the review. Thanks man and Happy New Year.
Good to know NAD put work into optimizing the gain section and power supply using its own design efforts and parts selection.
Instablaster...
Dirac, and similar "room correction" systems, are primarily speaker correction systems that also to some extent correct room issues.
Do you prefer the NAD 658/298 combo or the NAD M33?
I would like to correct you on the USB statement. M33 does have a usb port and it is just below the LAN port. I am using it right now as I have both M33 and M10 as well as a Node 2i. All great units. Other than that your review is “spot on” on all other points ;-) I would like to hear how would you compare the DAC unit to units like aurender n100
Does the USB port can connect with the PC or just used for USB stick? (I have the NAD M10 and Bluesound Power Node 2i too, but the dealer told me that use port can not connect with the PC and I never try it)
Is there a big difference between the node 2i and m33? I got the node 2i.
Interested in letting go of the M10. Just curious, I can't seem to find one in my area (Boise ID)
The USB port is not for USB audio from a computer or a streamer. It is for connecting a storage device like flash drive as a music library.
Best bookshelfs for this unit
Hi Jay, how does this amp pair with a pair of magnapan speakers? How does it compare in your opinion with a Hagel 390?
hi , how is diffrence with power output betwen NAD m33 vs Naim Unity Nova vs Hegel h390 , can you feel the difrence ? im own Yamaha as701 with Kef R5 and would like to go for one of them , and i would like to push sometimes my R5 to the limit , i love listening quite loud ,so is that M33 will give me that louder feeling ? Thank You .
Which will pair better with Raidho X-1? NAD M33 or HEGEL H390. Currently using a Classe CAP-80 + LKS DA-002 DAC. Looking to simplify my system.
Worth noting that to have great sound it's 40% equipment 60% room. People often wonder why the same speaker's sound great in the audition room but sounds bad at their place...it's because of your ROOM. That's why it's best to take with a grain of salt the opinion's of reviewer's because what might sound good in THEIR room might not be the same in yours.
Also, speakers are the key final ingredient in sound colour, far more so than amplification, so its pretty much pointless listening to reviews on how kit sounds. Room dynamics and multitudes of speakers/cables make it impossible to describe how anything is going to sound in your own place. Pointless.
Nad m33 vs naim uniti nova for my b&w 704 s3 ? Nad much power ?
I would like a comparisson with the Mcintosh MA352.
Thank you for the comparison with the Hegel H390. I’m actually considering the M33 vs H390 for a pair of Magic Mini IIs. How are the M33s are driving a lower impedance speaker such as the Magico Mini IIs (4ohm)?
Thank you for not talking in absolutes about Dirac! I have seen several reviews do that (mostly positive ones). I did not have great success when doing a few Dirac trials with my B&W 805 & Rel T7i combo (btw. the Rel is amazing!). The result was a somewhat more lifeless sound, with flatter soundstage further back. Imaging/the space between performers also suffered and negated the effect of adding a tube pre 😛 If limited to the bass with time alignment, volume matching etc. turned off turned, it was better, but that setup did not have much problems in the bass region. Will be keen to try it again, now that I have the S400’s, which unfortunately have a tendency to excite my rooms modes 👍
yeap. Room correction isn't the absolute answer - although I wish it was
Thanks, Jay, Happy birthday! How does the eigentakt compare at high end to the M33? Is it as airy with more bottom end, or does it looses air?
I'd say, you described more details in lesser time.. nice work.
For me the only important thing this unit misses is the USB which I use more than 80% to play music. What exactly the component should I use to resolve this issue. Would you please name one?
NAD M33 + Magnat Transpuls 1500 Loudspeakers.. would it be a good pairing? Please reply.
Best approach to enjoy Tidal hi-res audio with room correction, smooth & warm sounds, along with movie surround sound? Components recommendation please?
Would it be possible to use this amplifier as power amplifier in the home cinema setup ? (Use pre-out from a receiver and connect it to M33.)
It doesn't have the "home theater bypass" mode.
why didn't NAD utilize the top of the line ESS DAC chips. They used the ESS 9028 and not the ESS 9038. I know I'm probably splitting hairs but if they're trying to market it as a state of the art integrated amp/DAC, they shouldn't be putting in second best. Am I missing something?
Newest is not always better. It uses 9028 pro (8 channel) chip for each channel. This is regarded as one of the best chips in the market and also used for instance in the Benchmark 3 DAC.
Isn't this the eigentakt combi you named in your C298 review?
I would like a live comparisson with the Mcintosh.
Hello, very good review. Do you think this would be suitable with my b&w 804 d3's? I already have the nad c388, but I'm looking for a upgrade.
the length of this review is about right, overall a good review without excessive waffles and repetitions. Keep you review concise watch the length of your reviews and downplay waffle and repetitions.
For US$5,000 per unit, for me avoid it and get separate units, one still one can achieve similar sonic performance for less money.
Thanks Jay, very helpful review. I will be buying the M33 and would like to use the Dirac Live room correction. Can I ask...I have a small REL subwoofer (I know you like REL's too) which I would like to connect to the M33. What would be the best way to connect the REL subwoofer to the M33 (as I don't think I can use the REL High Level Input)? Many thanks.
I will use the pre-out for my Dynaudio Sub 6 😊
Was hoping we'd see an Alyssa review. Can't wait.
teasers ;)
Thanks Jay! I am considering upgrading to M33 but what about Anthem Pre+Power STR combo? Would they perform much better considering are separate components and also offer room correction?
Hey I'm actually considering the Anthem STR separates or the Masters. Apparently there will be a new Masters preamplifier in January according to a NAD technician. What did you end up doing?
Please suggest good speakers for NAD M33
Question: Can anyone tell me what brand that grey diffusing panel Jay has in the background??
It’s a quadratic fractal diffuser - invented by Manfred Schroeder, lookup the equations & make some dust
Does the M33 sound good at late night listening levels in your opinion?
in my opinon yes but for low volume listening - naim still takes it home
Rega Aethos great for nighttime listening too but lacks DAC.
@@Jayiyagi for low lvl playing the only best amp is BMC CS3 or Purevox.
With Dirac you can make and upload to one of 5 M33’s slots your own low volume nightime listening target curve.
Better try Primare I35 Prisma, good at late night listening and a more natural musical non fatiguing sound
Hello I have NAD M33 with Linton Speakers,
Damn Good Review...
how does it compare to moon ACE?
way more power; the moon doesn't have room correction DIRAC and isn't a pure digital amplifier and isn't using purifi technology. I don't think there's any comparison
no reason to compare 2 amps with same technology eg. purifi + hypex
No support USB input!! Why ?? Why?? It is very important function for me!! Thanks for highlight this issue.
It will be offered as an add on module in next year. They are planning a MDC DAC V3 soon, like this one:
nadelectronics.com/product/mdc-dac-2-0/
I have an M33 on order. Why would you connect an Ethernet line to the M33? What are the + and - to using or not using?
If i don’t own much music do I need an External Bluesound storage device?
Thank you and great review.
Nice. Interesting: how will sound with Audio Physic speakers?
I don't know. But what I know is that NAD M10 as well as M33 is a perfect combination with Sonus Faber which will give you a lot of clarity and detail. Strangely enough I prefer the Sonus Faber Sonetto 5 or 8 above the much more expensive Olympica Nova series!
So based on what I’m hearing you lean a bit toward the Naim Nova.
What he did not say, that Naim unity Nova have buzz from sensitive speakers... As factory siad its normal.
Room correction indeed
but check out
Lyngdorf’s Room Perfect ™ too
One of the founders of Purify Audio is Peter Lyngdorf. He also used to be the CEO of NAD. I have a Lyngdorf system. Nothing beats Roomperfect in my book.
Of course Dirac will do more than cables, anything will lol
Great detailed review! Has anyone auditioned the M33 with Focal Sopras 2? How is the synergy? Am not able to audition this combination where I am, what other class D integrated amp would be a good try? March Audio?
With Focal it's always Naim 😉 Not always, but you know...
This years model with last years engine,two years time a £500 amp streamer will out perform this ,with the the rate of progress of chips,just like digital cameras,models that were £1000 3 years ago ,are out performed by a £300 model today
Theres a point of diminishing return with sonics. When you say future dacs will out perform it...I doubt it, but they certainly will on cost.
*edit, not dacs, streamers
NAD can sound good compared to a lot of the other brands in the same price class.
No Home Theater Bypass folks!
Why no mention of that, Jay?
0:34
@@Jayiyagi That's a nice "disclaimer", but.....you mentioned so many other specs and features that are far less relevant. Whether or not Home Theater Bypass is included in any integrated amp or pre-amp can be a "make or break" for many people. I believe every reviewer should mention that feature in there reviews.
Anyone looking to add a stereo-only amp to their existing AVR needs to know this. Many other features can be added later, HTB cannot (to my knowledge). I hope that you'll include that information from now on.
Anyway....I do enjoy your reviews, and followed you here from Audio Excellence Canada. Keep it up!
Ironically, the first few minutes bored me so much, I didn't make it to the actual review.
$5000??? Who cares? 0ne person in 10,000? Probably less. Yesterday I bought used Klipsch Mirage OM-9s for $150. My old Fischer receiver died so I'm powering them with 2 x 120 watt Alpine amp I've had for over 20 years. Guess what? They rock! Are they as neutral as my M-Audio BX5s or Klipsch RP-41s? No. Do they rattle the windows? Yes. Budget gear is my preference.
Good for you.
Well said Carl you're absolutely correct,99.9% are not going to have the money to dwindle on this overrated metal box,buy a
topping at £100,and save yourself. £3900
@@dingerbilt7935 Topping is a toy that tries to sound hifi, it's cold, dead, flat and sterile
You might be on the wrong channel, this channel is about hifi