ONE RIFLE Kit to Rule Them All 0-800m: the Deployment Kit [Range Talk]
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We all know the minute us nerds have extra parts, we're gonna have a whole new rifle within months.
I found a spare rail cover the other day...time for another build, I guess...
Got an extra charging handle. Practically half way there, might as well finish it.
Found the takedown pin detent spring that flew across the room while assembling my last lower. That's enough to justify a new build.
I been having this fight with myself for about a month with all the parts i have laying around.
Haha been fighting not to build a 13.9 pin and weld setup because I have some part lol
" I also have my iron sights for long distance " priceless..
And in his case it's also true.
@@JanKowalskiiiii that's why I thought the comment was awesome. Most people need 12 × optics or something of the sort. But not him! It's great lol
@@jasonmcclish2580 It is great, have a good one!
After 20 yrs with the M16A2, I've come to love the standard 16" with collapsible stock, a good sling, LPVO (1-4 or 1-6 is cool with me) , backup irons, and maybe a light. Simple and effective.
3 likes in 8 days is not enough love for this comment. Wholeheartedly agree 👍🏼
Same, except for the stock but only on the dedicated location rifles. Old school solid stock on those.
So some accident doesn't happen. Such as not realizing in the s**t that you just mortered on the extended adjustable stock and bent the buffer tube. Oops. Now you have a situation heh
Agree but I want mine with a 20" bbl
@@irzyxelwj i've never seen or heard of some bending their buffer tube from mortaring with a collapsible buttstock. you either have to be superman or have a gun made out of literally dogshit.
@Queazyboot3 do it
I shot two gas gun matches with a 2 dot EO-Tech and magnifier. Targets out to 800 yards. Good times.
Will you be doing a video on it?
@@donh1572 He did. It was his Centurion 14.5 video.
@@wisemencompany Interesting. I was thinking about doing something similar but with an EXPS 3-4. Was the 3-2 perfect for you, or would rather have the 3-4 for the 500+ yard targets?
@@donh1572 already did.
@@SnapD24 my buddy ran a 3-4 and he loved it. More holds.
This is an especially valid concept for those of us who live in insane states where if you have an AR, your probably not getting another, so you might as well have multiple uppers for different situations.
When I saw how you broke them down to 0-300m "carbine" distance and 300-800m (rifle distance) I couldn't have been more excited!!
When i was in, the deployment package always reminded me of Colonel Douglas Mortimer in the movie For a Few Dollars More with his saddle bag of guns for different situations.
There's a real example of someone running 2 uppers w/ 1 lower overseas, it makes a lot of sense. A CIA ground branch operator took a photo of his loadout: he had a 10 inch HK416 w/ a suppressor, eotech, and LAM, plus an unsuppressed M4 upper with an M203 underbarrel and elcan specter. He also had an AK for obvious reasons lol.
Where can I find this picture?
@@StreetLight099 If you google "Joe Teti CIA Ground Branch" it will come up on google images. Joe has a really interesting story: He was actually accused of lying about having combat experience, and because he was with the CIA he couldn't just give proof, but eventually a bunch of photos of him came out where he's in Afghanistan doing spooky paramilitary stuff. Plus a well known CIA paramilitary operator, Dale Comstock, eventually came out and vouched for Joe being legit.
@@StreetLight099 Google "Joe Teti Ground Branch" and it will come up. He has an interesting story, was actually accused of lying about combat experience, but eventually a bunch of photos of him doing paramilitary stuff in Afghanistan came out, and another well known ground branch operator (Dale Comstock) eventually vouched for him being a legit OGA paramilitary contractor.
@@StreetLight099 i found it really fast by looking up key phrases
The HK416 is not compatible with the M4 upper or lower. So this combo is not possible
The discussion about having two uppers reminds me of Jeff Gurwitch who did the same thing with a MK18 and M4A1 upper when he was deployed IIRC.
that's a very standard SF load out, they usually have a 14.5in with Elcan and 10.3in with RDS, two uppers one lower
This is the “deployment kit” concept they are talking about.
I might get a mk18 upper later in my life.
This is good confirmation on my purchase of 2 uppers set up differently. Great stuff here guys ❤️
@@samtoastertrust me, that 11.5 is demonstrably superior.
CZ Bren m2 14.5 " with Nosler 77gr RDF handloads all day long @400yards love it
I had a one-lower setup just like this back in 2003 when life was simple. They turn into multiple rifles.
I think the biggest thing on the 0-300 that is overlooked here, is that with that dot, he was accurate out at 300 with a spotter... Im betting it would have taken a handful more rounds for him to figure out his hold without a spotter using that dot.
we qualify with irons on 300m targets in the army
He got first round hit without the spotter
If you can't make hits at 300 with iron sights just put the guns down and play with barbies. Millions of men make that shot in basic army marksmanship training.
@@joemama69448 I was in the army, in Afghanistan too. I can do it just fine, but to me a lpvo is the key. Anyone that complains about having an optic with mag. Is crazy
@@joemama69448 Millions of men make that shot against white targets that are clear and easy to see, aren't moving or trying to duck or hid, and most importantly aren't trying to fight back.
The beauty of the deployment kit doctrine is undeniably perfect.
@ 00:40 Your spotting rig looks like the face of Jake from Adventure Time. You're welcome.
I've heard of talking heads videos, but talking tripods is revolutionary Josh!
I have a magnified EXPS3-2 on my 14.5 URGI that extra dot for 400+ comes in handy.
Damn I feel blessed to see this minutes after post 😀 cheers fellow nerds!
Me with my LMT CSW.
12.5" 556 for main use, but can jump to an 18" 6arc or down to a 5.5" 300blk (with a tucked can) or anything else in the AR-15 chambering, including 9mm and 22lr.
Running a March FX 1.5-15, which is more than capable for all cartridges and have DOPE for each, so no need to change optics (on the main optic).
A true one AR to rule them all.
Just because the bullet can reach 800m, doesn't mean you can see your target at 800m, or even see if you got a hit. Unless you have a dedicated spotter with you everywhere you go, higher magnification is always useful.
Yeah, 5.56 being effective at 800 is extremely laughable. LOL! Time to pick a different hammer at that point.
I've seen guys shoot 556 out to a mile @@revolutionanarchy713
Either way I don't want to be shot, I been shot at the angry bumble bee flying over my head from a hadji is not fun.
If the target drops like a sack, I'd say you made your mark.
Don't need hit markers like call of duty. Real life has hit identifiers.
@@revolutionanarchy713 in the real world. 5.56 eliminated Taliban at 800.
Navy Seal sniper: th-cam.com/video/tlfJ7C4PoSQ/w-d-xo.html
Ballistic dummy test of 5.56 at 600-1000 yards: th-cam.com/video/oUWvdHxEJfo/w-d-xo.html
That’s a very interesting concept. I just picked up a new Geissele 10.3” URGI upper that I’m building into a “pistol” with an LMT Defender lower. If I can luck into a 14.5” URGI, that might be the perfect combination. I already have a Surefire RC2 that I could use on both uppers as well. Thanks for the great video. You guys always knock it out of the park.
I have one I’m trying to sell on GAFS
That’s was my plans as well but in combat that rc2 will get stuck unless u use some kind of grease. I’m now looking for a mini 2 for the 14.5😂 it’s my favorite hard use can but shooting it off sucks
Josh…1:36 in and what up with those pants??? 8:35 in…great video. Love to watch you guys!!
I'm not seeing anyone talking about it here, so I'll bring it up. Garrand Thumb did an interview with two spec ops dudes one time, and one of them was Irish. He said his setup was the standard ar at the time with an lpvo and a canted red dot. He said one trick that he could do was to keep the lpvo on high magnification and just use the red dot to transition targets. So get the broad view with the red dot, then pop the angle back over, and his lpvo would be right on target.
Yeah the better thing to do is have a top mounted dot. Then you just lift your head, acquire a target with the dot, and lower it back down a little bit. No need to twist your rifle or anything. Basically remove an entire unnecessary step.
This is common practice most people run that I’ve had that on one of my rifles for the better part of three years already
Irish guy is Kevin Owen. He definitely has his shit together. Amazing career in infantry and SF.
@hellcatdave1 He actually talked about it and preferred the canted dot because you don't have to break check hold as much as a dot on the top.
@@paulelledge8977they both have their pros but for tracking a target I agree canted is better for me.
This exact video highlights why I really like the concept of something like a 14.5 6arc.
MK12 MOD O For life
I'm on the Mod 1. I need that collapsible stock 😢
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Same here. Just trying to find the A.R.M.S #36 Swan Sleeve is a nightmare though...
Mod H for me. Just got back from the range. Went out at a crisp 0800.
Always love the content guys! ❤
20" chrome lined free float C7A2 setup is what I've found to be my do-all rifle. Red dot ACSS and magnifier with M855A1 should be all you need out to 800m.
All ammo is effective and common, spare parts available domestically.
Take it to an spr match and try it for yourself. works great on huge targets that are easy to see while shooting on a bench, probably need a spotter to call your windage misses too. No one will be standing out in the open wearing bright colors. i guess that works fine if you only intend on mostly blind firing an area while waiting for backup.
@@DefZen343 i shoot mini ipsc torsos standing out to 200m, on a bench I have out to 600m on my property. I'm not shooting at targets I don't see, that's what a rangefinder and spotting scope are for. When you tune your rifle correctly you should be able to stay in the scope and see your misses and it's very easy to see wind values on charts. Once you shoot enough and know your ballistic data of the load that you're using windage/elevation is easy to guess but using something like an ACSS reticle is much faster for practical applications.
Last year I was walking my ranch with a buddy and hit a hog at about 280m offhand unsupported, I just held my breath and aimed at the ridge of the back, it's not hard to hit a smaller target with repeat practice.
@@SuspiciousGanymede I assume that @DefZen343 is talking about shooting at targets that are shooting back. In that context, he is correct. For shooting at targets that won't shoot back, like steel or pigs, it doesn't really matter what your setup is, you can take your time with your spotting scope to properly identify and then move to the rifle. But, again, in the context of a gunfight - you've got some misconceptions about what will be happening and your gun setup reflects that.
@@SuspiciousGanymede like I said, take it to a match and see what you are capable of hitting and what you arnt. you mentioned another one of my points, you arnt shooting what you cant see so your 800 distance with a red dot+magnifier will be very limiting. you also arnt going see splash with it unless you live in a dusty desert. id wager you'd struggle with your set up at just 400 at an spr match. But try and see for yourself.
@@Merk21 best we got to simulate that are a timer and a competition against our peers to see how well we do under a little stress, different firing positions and target presentations. sure its not combat but if you cant hit it during a fairly friendly competition or do poorly against your peers time wise in a controlled environment then you will do much worse under real stress and fear.
If you are the sort of person who is even remotely interested in this concept or just likes AR15s in general then I would highly recommend SBRing a lower as early in your journey as possible. The process is pretty straight forward. HOWEVER make sure you test it with some sorta upper before you file a tax stamp on it. If there is something out of specc on that lower or it breaks or something you're screwed. Do it with a lower that you like and that has proven itself already.
I've just been running an 11.5 with a razor gen II E 1-6 & top mounted dot. Suppressed, nice and short, capable out to 400+ with 77's. I think meshing the optic of your 14.5, and the shorter barrel of the 11.5, really gives me the best of both worlds.
Would love to see a 10/22 22lr on the 500 yard course just because I think it would make a wonderful episode
11.5" with a can looks as bulky as a 16" or 18". I say for civilian use just pick one of those and an LPVO and you're good enough for pretty much anything you'd need outside of hunting/competitive shooting/LARPerating. Honestly, even the most basic iron sight AR is good enough. If you want to set up a bunch of uppers, cool. I'm not knocking anyone having fun or being more prepared with their gear. There is the question of how much 5% better here or there is going to be needed. Just having something that you're comfortable shooting and developing marksmanship seems to me to be the most important thing. It could even be a surplus bolt action you bought for $40 20 years ago (when that still existed as an option). Last I looked it was roughly a third of US households that have any gun. For those of us in the hobby the idea of any bangsick putting you ahead of the curve seems foreign, but that's reality.
Josh - Please do a video on your spotting set up being used in this video. Thanks.
This one is pretty simple - I'm using Razor 18x Binos (which are awesome) and a game-changer bag just rested ontop of the tripod.
Love these kits
I've been toying with this idea this summer and its been quite handy with switching between a couple of carry handles I've built for fun and a practical-oriented 14.5 Colt EPR. Next year I'll probably throw together a Mk 12 Mod H-ish sort of upper to play around with some precision stuff.
Yes, the lower is the cheap part but that's still a good light, a fancy muzzle device, a bougie scope mount, or one of the fancier Holosuns in terms of spend. It's also just convenient and takes up less room in the safe
Makes my 2021 era WWSD clone with the faxon 14.5" integral flash hider pencil barrel still feel like the best versatile rifle for the average civilian. Its what I designed it for.
Spotter equipment list below.
Glass set up for Josh:
Razor 18x binos
Game changer sand bag
Tripod - Model in use?
No head for bag?
Camera set up:
iPhone?
Connector?
Spotting scope?
Thanks.
Good stuff, my go to is a suppressed 13.7 with a plx-c 1-8 in a unity fast mount (2.05 inch) with nv capabilities. Its been pretty solid for me.
A ring style reticle can make up for holds in space if you put your info into a ballistics app
It’s the perfect set up so long as you don’t Min/Max to hard. A 13.7-14.5”with a red dot & magnifier, pared with a 16-20” a 2-10/4-16 Mpvo & a top dot +bipods, is pretty epic.
Stay away from 10.5” on the shirt gun, and stay away from crazy heavy stocks, optic levels, and other competition gizmos, on your longer upper.
Remember both upper need to able to have combat effect 0-500+, both have to fight at night, both have to be carried on patrol.
If you’re shooting 600 700 yards a small bubble level can be extremely helpful
@@_Delta_P_ yes but if your shooting 0-600 like you will 99% of the time it’s just in the way while you patrol 15 clicks.
This is what I’m saying. Keep both uppers fighting rifles, it’s not a sniper rifle it’s not a PDW. Those are different things.
The nice thing about swapping uppers is that you can keep all your lower attachments (mag catch, trigger, grip, magwell, stock, sling, etc.) across missions.
There's no change in trigger pull feel or reload mechanics. You don't need to relearn anything to manipulate the gun effectively.
People saying a lower is cheap haven't bought a Geissele trigger yet 😬
You might need to switch out the buffer and spring depending on the upper used, but that's easy 🤷🏻♂️
I would like to see someone doing a barrel change on a Steyr AUG to see how it affects the rifles zero.
M4 with an aimpoint comp m4 is really as good as it gets in my opinion. Before joining the army I was a lpvo supremisist but after being in for 2 years and qualifying expert I truly appreciate the simplicity. Once you get a good zero and know your holds the CCO is more then affective out to 300. My most recent qual was a 38/40 and I finished with two rounds in the mag because I simply never saw those two targets pop that’s all shooter error. Needless to say the desire to do not necessarily a 1 to 1 clone but a build inspired on my rifle is great.
I like having a lower for each upper. Ultimate flexibility. If I want to “deployment kit” it, I can take a pair of uppers and my favorite lower. If I’m in a situation where my friends need guns, those other uppers are more than just expensive clubs.
I started doing this awhile back. I look at it like this. The carbine is 0-200, the 12 upper is 100 to 500. 500 gives you space to maneuver clear.
THIS is what makes the AR platform *superior* to the AK- the ability to swap uppers in a few seconds and go from an SBR setup optimized for CQC to an SPR setup optimized for longe range engagements.
Helpful info, really enjoyed, thanks
I do the poor man's concept of this with a 20" PSA upper for long range shooting and SUPER shorty 7" upper with both on a SBR'ed lower. If you're going to go long range, you might as well just use a proper 18" or 20" barrel for that. I went super short because it's just lighter and still gives adequate muzzle velocity at between 2200 to 2300 FPS using PPU 55 grain soft point rounds (that expand and penetrate quite nicely at that velocity). That's one area that NOBODY covers is the 7" AR's. People dismiss them as "range toys" but they most definitely are not. They give you significantly more maneuverability in a CQB environment. They do however require a suppressor or at a minimum, a linear compensator/flash can to keep them from acting like a flash bang grenade in an indoor CQB environment.
Always fighting last war, quad copter can do all comrade.
until you run out of drones, then its back to rifles.
China has one for every man, women, child, and illegal in the us.
I really like the Block-II setup, having a 4 power Acog or Elcan with a piggyback rds is such an effective combo, maybe with a 14.5 barrel would be better but right now I have a 16 inch.
I just wanna say I fucking love your cheesy intros and title cards, they are just fun.
All good for deployment, however as a civilian all the expensive parts are on the upper so a few hundred bucks for another lower nets you a complete extra rifle. Redundancy for a broken part/bad zero/etc. and ability to now have two people with rifles is well worth the incremental cost.
100% this. The rail, barrel, optics- that's the expense. It's $250 max for a build lower with a good trigger, parts kit, and stock
@@sportsman48 Tell that to the companies charging a ridiculous $4-700 for a lower. 🙄
@Rockwood777: PSA for the win baby.
Some of my lowers complete are definitely in the $600+ range even with smoking good deals. M4E1, SSA-E-X trigger, Ultra Duty LPK, PWS enhanced buffer tube and castle nut, Super 42 spring, B5 type 23 and enhanced sopmod stock. Some have a Armaspec in it and some have a A5 setup. It adds up. Anyway. It's a lot less gear to carry when you only have to bring a couple lowers when you go shooting.
@@Borderline5440sionics lowers 👍
Obviously an 8” 300 blk paired with a 14.5” 5.56 is the way to go
If the ammo weren't a problem, yes. I'd go with a longer 5.56 barrel (18" maybe) once I already had a short gun.
@@brunopezzey9516 you might be surprised what a 14.5 will do. To me 5.56 is a 600m cartridge really. Meaning 600m any day of the week, any conditions. If it’s really windy you’d be pissing in the wind at 750 with a 20” barrel. It just doesn’t have the BC of a larger cartridge like a 308 or 6.5 cm
@@K-bob_45That isn't really why you would shoot out to 800m in the first place. Not for prescision, but for suppresive fire via infantry rifles.
Even back in the days of yore, old bolt action rifles that had rear sight gradulations out to 2,000yds were meant as a supressive or volley fire tactic, not meant for induvidual marksmanship.
@@georgewhitworth9742 sure but nowadays modern projectiles and optics have made individual marksmanship a lot more of a reality. You could still use it for suppressive fire too. Typically they have point target effective range and then effective range that’s much greater on these systems.
Thats exactly what i do with my airsoft ar15. One short upper with low fps upper-gearbox and one with longer barell and more fps. All with one lower receiver.
This is literally my setup. Mk18 upper w/ an eotech and a magnifier if needed. And a 14.5 m4 upper with a 1-6 razor for anything longer than 300. It’s a good setup. I only have to bounce my lam back and forth when I switch.
It seems that no matter which platform you go with, the most important thing as far as a do it all that can also go up to 800 or so will be the barrel. A mil-spec trigger can be trained on to fire well, but a barrel is what determines its' inherent accuracy. A $300+ barrel with a good scope and Schmidt or LaRue trigger seems to be all it takes to achieve this videos rifle.
I have a 16.1” LWRCi M6IC DI w/1-10x32 LPVO and a lightweight 13.9” upper with a Holosun 503 ACSS & 3x magnifier (on ftc mount). I also have a 16” BCM 300 blackout upper that I bought at the same time as my LWRC to be able to swap uppers and hunt/hit with more thump.
I had always thought of throwing different uppers in my pack.
Plus you have 300blk upper for sneaky quiet and short, and 6mm arc for extra long range
You should mention the QD stuff. I use Kinect Development group items to I can switch bipods and lights from build to build, and I have sling attachments in the same spot so I can use one sling across several builds.
*For me* a good trigger is just as important as magnification to shoot accurately beyond 300 yards; 0-300 a "mil spec" trigger is sufficient. Shooting without magnification higher than 4x, starting at around 300, a spotter becomes necessary.
I think the “effective range” is good to mention they’re shooting full sized, easy to see, known distances. A red dot on smaller not painted targets is very difficult and is not a 300 yard gun then.
But the same applies to longer range guns as well once known-distance does out the window.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzabsolutely. People over estimate capability. Sure you have an spr but did you chrono and dope the round you’re using, do you use a range finder or only shoot at a range with set distances, do you have a spotter or can you spot your own hits? Everyone over estimates their gun and skills.
If it helps... military "effective" range is determined using a man sized target, usually painted green, and refers to whether the round can hit the target AND has a greater than not chance of killing/injuring the target to such an extent that they are removed from the fight.
For man sized targets this is approx 550m. For area sized (VW bug sized) targets thus is approximately 800m.
By the way these targets pop up and are controlled by the tower. The soldier won't know which target, which distance will not have a spotter, and will have to engage multiple tagets in a few second window. We did this on man sized targets with iron sights and red dots. And for fun we would set off explosives on the range as soldiers tried to qualify at night. So these rifles are plenty capable if they are in the right hands.
Best of luck,
Phil
@@philliplopez1501To me that solidifies my response. Effective is not the biggest possible target with it easy viable ( sure the color isn’t bright but movement is almost just as effective to see) with as many rounds needed to get a hit. That’s more of possible range. That’s just another military standard, which is a very low standard. If someone can find and get a first round hit on a 6in circle that is stationary and colored, that to me is effective range. It’s both a test of shooter and rifle.
@dylanwatson8468 6" circle? I am assuming you use magnification. The military uses 18-inch wide tagets because that is the average width of adult male shoulders. That said 300m is generally at the far end for most soldiers to be able to reliably identify and target. Dry areas like deserts make this a little easier.
But if you are hitting 6" circles at that range you're doing pretty good.
Phil
Why just don't use one gun? Let's say 12-16 inch with red dot on qd and 1-8 or 4-24 scope mount on qd. I think it will be a much better solution in optimization of the weight and transportation.
AUG all day
A good modern deployment kit would be your gpr of choice paired with a small quiet night fighting 300 blackout upper
Everything you need on deplyment.
I run a 16" Gwot m4 upper and a 20" SPR upper on a Anderson lower with a polished G.I. Trigger and MFT Stock
You could still run two receivers for an a
AUG, which would give you the option of having optics zeroed to the barrel length.
That whole concept of swapping uppers sounds cool and is functional IF you control the situation. If you have time, info and a permissive environment and enemy to where you can tailor the kit to the mission, extract and you are done, it's great.
Outside of that very specific and niche application, it is useless. You can't really use the concept on the fly nor is there a point to it, like they tried to sell in an episode of Future Weapons way back in the day:
- You can run your gun in one setup if you need to do building clearing, but if you have a long range shot, you just take out your precision upper from the carrybag, while the rest of your squad covers you, reassemble the gun and then take the shot.
That is nonsense. The lower with the stock does not weigh that much, so you aren't really saving up on weight, you still need to use precision ammo if you want to take long range shots reliably, so you are carrying a second type of ammo and probably mag to be able to differentiate it anyway, not to mention the time it takes to swap uppers under stress.
All of that doesn't even come to the point of how the second upper itself is essentially dead weight all the time until you use it and if your original rifle is lost or damaged to the point you can't swap uppers it is useless.
You are better off figuring out a 2 gun setup where you have your lightweight general purpose carbine and a dedicated precision rifle, provided you can manage the combined weight to your need and preference.
This def isn't a suggestion for people to do this on the fly. Much like how you learn in ranger school to drop rucks at the ORP before assaulting an objective, this is a logistical solution for a long term deployment, not a logistical solution to hot swap during a specific action.
We didn't suggest this, nor do SF guys who still issue two uppers try and hot swap in the field. I don't think many people interpreted it this way.
@@9HoleReviews Understood.
My first paragraph was specifically addressing the SF use case you mention as a valid approach as such.
The rest of the comment was not addressed to your points directly, but to the implication that you can have a do-it-all setup with just uppers, which does pop up when discussing this concept, including in the mentioned TV shows of yester-year.
I have three uppers at present for my one lower. As to swaps, the new Gemtech Integra in 223/5.56 or .300 blackout with its pinned/welded Gemtech suppressor can, but with removeable inners is the ticket. a 10.5-inch barrel with can, covered by the M-lock forearm no rap cover needed is so sweet. check it out.
You can also just go with a pistol lower and throw the SPR length on when you want without having the pin and weld.
7:55 perfect time to cut to the patreon ad
One deployment rifle 12.5 (or 13.7, think British Rangers), new ammo. That is 6mm ARC. There are a couple of reputable companies able to provide such a thing. You can always ask them, politely.
10" out to 360m with irons was interesting experiment at RWS24. Apparently the 55gr maxes out between 260-300m...
Everytime I build an upper to share with a current lower I already have I always end up soon after just building/buying another lower. After doing this fairly often for a decade now you end up having a rifle for every/any situation 😂.
My ACR is my go to rifle can’t wait to get my 12.5 centurion arms Mk12 barrel back so I can run my AEM5. Also have a 16” 300blk barrel that I will get shortened. Can swap between the 2 in 15 seconds with no tools. Might do a 6mm arc or 6.5 Grendel battle eventually
Since you have many URG-Is. You should pick up one of the clone correct S-VPS ATACR scopes. The T8 reticle is totally different than the DMX. Its more of a BDC type with the addition wind dots. It would be an interesting video to compare the two.
Thank you.
The cost is mostly in the upper- you're saving a little by not needing 2 lowers but that's the smallest portion of a build.
I have chosen the Spear LT, 5.56, 16-inch for my go rifle!
I’m leaning more towards a 2 rifle soft case with a 18 inch and a 11.5 pistol. Avoid the ATF cluster
This was always my biggest draw towards AR style rifles. I could have a single lower, setup exactly how i want it, and then just swap uppers depending on the need at the time. So my controls and manual of arms would never change, and just the capabilities of the rifle would change.
So what I'm hearing is that I need to build a repro 416A5 upper for my repro-416 build.
Got it.
Now I wanna try the "high mount" red dot concept. 😂😂
lpvo 1-10x FFP (tactical horseshoe) on a high quality 16"barrel and you can cover 0-600m
And with .223 i didn't think you want to shoot further without a kestrel 😅
I replaced all my reddot magnifier combos or trijicon Fiber optics with LPVO's because they are just the jack of all trades, especially when i want to switch fast between cqb and 300m (there is even a mechanism on the handguard for changing the magnification without touching the scope).
(Got the the 3,5x trijocon fiberoptic on my valmet AK for shtf stuff)
Think this is what I should have done. Now I’m in the process of condensing because I have too much. Just want 4 lowers. One SBR lower, one standard so no travel restrictions, two large frame lowers, one fixed stock and one with an A5. Lots of capabilities with top their gear vs a whole closet full of poverty ponies.
I have a Pelican and it is solely used for flying with long guns - never for range transport. No point in adding another 10-15 lbs. to your range trip.
If you do the sig spear please use the suppressor for a accurate read guys
The new AUG in 16". Plus 22" barrel and a .300 blackout barrel. 3 in 1.
Barrel change takes seconds.
Unfortunately your optic is fixed to the body of the AUG and those 3 options will not share POI.
Oh boy! More esoteric AR hair splitting! Henry...I come here to see you make hits with a C96 at 300!
I feel like I've watched 4 different versions of this video from y'all already. Make more
For my retro I'd do 16" quad w/FSP and MK12 MOD 1. I like grating cheese apparently. Also I really like this idea.
30-06 bolt action !!
Meanwhile
Ferb out in west Texas has a 10 platform with a 12"aero 308 shorty and 24" 6.5 creedmore in a hard plastic box that can blast armadillos at 150 yards..and then at a mile.
There are other calibers besides 5.56
I'm at 5:18 and anticipating we're talking about a Tavor 7?
and for the most flexible setup, start with a pistol lower. Then you can run it as a pistol with your shorty upper, and put a stock on with your longer upper, so long as you're not creating an NFA item in between, and go back to a pistol when appropriate. Then legally, you have the most flexibility in areas where open carry of pistols may be permitted with a permit, but not open carry of rifles for instance. Bit then a black friday deal for a lower pops up and you're like... well I might as well have one for each of my upper :D you can set your watch to the evolution of mindset lol
In Minnesota that’s why I bought a ar pistol because you can’t have a loaded long gun in your vehicle dnr didn’t like people carrying loaded rifles in their vehicles and messed up our carry permit
You can also change calibers
I don't know if I agree with the 14.5 having multiple uppers. The example here is that you had a red dot set up with night vision stuff and a suppressor, the other one, and lpvo with a top dot. I would say you have that 0-800yd capability with the lpvo model. It is different if you pick one and leave the other at home but to carry both uppers I don't agree with. But with the 11.5 Gordon rifle and then a mk12 uper with a longer barrel I can see that.
This concept is how I set my own gear up. But I think you guys missed the mark, because the first round was for ordinary soldiers, the second was for socom, and for socom I think it would be better to give them more capability, and I would say the same for the prepared citizen. The 11.5 should have an lpvo dot combo, and then a 16 inch (for civilians because NFA) or 14.5 with a 4-16 or somewhere therein optic and dot combo. The 11.5 is more capable than a red dot can utilize, and for extreme close quarters where the lpvo might slow you down, either use the combo dot or just point aim. Once you get a 14.5 or 16 inch barrel, the barrel becomes more capable than the lpvo and you need an mpvo to fully utilize it. I thank Ridgeline defense for helping me fully grasp this, but it is true.
Rather than the sig spear in 277 and the insanely expensive vortex optic the army should have adopted the 11.5 super duty with the hux flow can and the primary arms 1-8x with a top mounted holosun eps for the ordinary soldier or ranger. They should have had 16 inch 6 arc guns with 4-16x scope and dot combos as dmrs, and they (maybe, imo it would have been awesome) could have instead developed a 6.5 creedmoor lmg to replace the saw and 240. I think the calibers the military is going with are a little crazy considering how most fighting actually happens. It's like they think all future war will be fought in Afghanistan.
But yeah, the ordinary soldier who needs a weapon that can dominate 0-300 and is capable out a little further should have an 11.5 with a 1-8 lpvo. That would be nice and light a capable. A good dot in combo with the glass would give the soldier some insurance. A light, laser and suppressor would still be wieldy. The military could have given every grunt a super duty with all this trick shit on it for the price of just the sig gun, its retarded, and the gun is not more reliable, or more accurate, or lighter, than the super duty or even competitive guns in its caliber class. Hopefully Socom doesn't follow suit, but looks like they are with adopting sig nonsense
I love the 556. But i think id rather let Target closer then 500. Just to make sure
I would like to see engagement against obscured targets or targets with common military camo shirts. I think sometimes irons/dot can be deceiving when targets get smaller or are harder to see. A bright white target on a manicured range can be hit by low IQ soldiers out to 600 with irons, but that doesn’t mean they will be able to do the same against a target that doesn’t want to be seen or is mobile
In my opinion the best “do it all” setup has to be a 16” mid-length with a TA31F
But, but, but... that's not the new hottness...
i would say 16" mid with alpvo
For me personally it is an 18" or 20" rifle length upper with either an A2 full stock or A5 adjustable and least 4x magnification. as long as the scope is decent I can do a 1-6, 3-9, or 4x fixed. I prefer scopes to dots because my glasses don't perfectly fix my astigmatism. Don't have a strong eye dominance so I can deal with both eyes open and magnification. I'm xbox hueg and need that length of pull. I like a little bit more length out front to match. You've got to tailor to yourself. Someone 5'6" will have different optimal than someone 6'6"
I do this but with hunting. Change out to my 350 legend upper
i think the sub 16" pinned rifle( 13.7-14.7) and an 18" dmr is ideal for a civie. no nfa SBR stuff, and the 14.5 would be better than a 10.5" if it had to be pressed into a situation like the story josh mentioned.