Can't get Starlink? Rural internet alternative part 2! Tests, plans and answering questions!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ค. 2022
- I was tired of waiting on Starlink, so I set out to get internet to our home in the country. This is part 2 of getting rural internet to our home since we could not get Starlink. I answer your questions about cellular internet, the plans that are available and run some tests you requested.
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Yes, please do a 3rd edition of this video. Especially the unlimited data plans.
In my opinion as a radio station owner, you are doing all the right things to optimize your home system without spending an arm and a leg.
You could install a high gain, directional receiving antenna, mounted on a 100 foot self supporting tower to get above the tree line but it would be cost prohibitive.
It makes more sense to push your internet provider to improve their infrastructure. You should complain until you consistently get 10 megs up and 40 megs down.
Logically, the tower nearest you should be serving you. If my memory serves, they have three 120 degree sections and they probably turned off the section that points in your direction.
Another great info packed video! Thanks!
Great info Andrew. FYI last week I installed the Waveform MIMO 2x2 Panel (only one antenna). Made a big difference, from 20meg downloads to 100meg. Also add a cheap outdoor wifi antenna. Now I have signal over a half a mile away. The router makes all the difference. PS my tower is just outside of panama city, 8 miles away.
That's excellent!
Just east of you in Wakulla County close to the coast. We have slow DSL and cable was just laid in our neighborhood. I'm still pricing the XFINITY options but after taxes and after the 1 year introductory price and also monthly data caps it might be cheaper to have a prepaid wireless data plan or at least have it as a fallback. The Xfinity monthly limit is 1.2 Terabytes. It sounds like a lot, but with work and uploading data and 2 kids that do gaming and all of us streaming video (we currently do no higher than 480p). They didn't just arbitrarily decide on that number. It is based on customer usage and home much money they can make on 50gb overage charges. Sorry for the rant.
The idea of mimo is signal diversification this means the signal to noise is stronger if the antenna orientation is not exactly to same. What happens is noise arrives slightly out of phase on the pair of antennas but the signal arrives in phase because it comes from the same direction this allows the router to distinguish the noise from the signal. So it is best not to orient the antennas the same. Normally a 45 degree angle is a good middle ground to make sure you are aligned with the tower. But you can improve alignment but it is vary difficult without the right equipment eg signal analyser. So the rule of thumb is 45 degree separation between the antennas.
Great info for folks that live in the country!
What a very informative video as usual.
So practical and detailed, I'm sure lots of people will find this so helpful and thank you for sharing your experience:)))
Been watching these videos for quite a while and I LOVE how you never just show the successes. The good, bad, and the ugly. That's what we all go through and it's nice to see that. Thanks for the content!
Glad you enjoyed it
Another information packed video Andrew. Now I'm definitely going to recommend this to my sister who is farther out than me, was just waiting for your update video.
Great video. Did not realize how much I needed part 2 until today!! Thanks for taking the time to make such an informative video. Who would have thought that so many of us needed this info.
Glad you found it useful!
Hello Andrew, I am so glad that you're up and about. Thanks for another great video. You are a trooper, at least you are getting out there doing a little something here and there. I hate resting all day too when I'm not feeling well. For some reason moving around makes me feel a little better.
Makes me feel better too
I am pretty new in the smartphone era so all that information helps me and you explained it so well to get me started, thanks Andrew
Glad you found it useful
VERY INFORMATIVE! I am amazed that you are getting the WiFI signal that far out in the pasture. A metal roof greatly reduces if not blocks the majority of your signal. Who knows, the angle of the roof may amplify the signal front to back! If you need a stronger signal in the shop with the metal garage doors closed, I would suggest a low power Ubiquiti 5GhZ bridge. Plug ethernet into the Ubiquiti unit outside the house and it directly links to a mirrored device on the other end. This eliminated the distance loss. Ubiquiti is a fantastic company, inexpensive and the GUI used for setup is super easy with built in diagnostics.
Thank you, I am considering something like that.
Loads of great information there. Thanks
Thank you for watching
Thank you for sharing this information. Our starlink was also delayed and we used your affiliate link to purchased the same setup. Just did our first testing and we were successful! We feel much more confident now that I’ll be able to continue working from home when we transition to our homestead in a few months. Thank you again!!
I'm currently testing more equipment and most importantly plans. Videos out soon, things are looking promising.
Great info and if you made it this far thank you 😊, I’m a extra ham operator myself even though it has it similarities I learned a lot . Line loss is real and will hurt the signal both ways . Great info and great job explaining it . Thank you
Thank you for watching
Glad you finally got internet that works for you Andrew.
It will definitely work until we get fiber.
Your right about Hughsnet I had it as my first internet couldn't stream, just basic internet. You and people like you is the reason I watch You tube. I have DSL but it's great your helping others.
My parents hated it too.
Awesome educational video.
I used the same 2 directional antennas and my cell router is a different model. I use it out in the oilfield locations. Excellent range. I did change the front anttenas to paddles and from 5 inch to 10 inch on the rear. It made my range even more ridiculously farther. I like the down to earth simple to understand video you made.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great review Andrew, interesting. Love your property. 🌞🇨🇦
Thank you for watching Mr Ron!
A lot of art and black magic with antennas and radio signals! Good video.
Andrew,
Great job, tons and tons of valuable info!
As the old saying goes, "Necessity is the mother of invention"!
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Two things, first try swapping the cables (again!) at the router end, as the left side is I believe the primary port and may work better connected to the antenna on the top for improved upload speeds, now that it's dialed in, maybe?
Second, consider the exact same (again dialed in) antenna array configuration just raised up above the peak ridge line a little bit as it may(?) improve your signal to noise ratio SNR a lot - improving your upload speed by not having the roof on the same horizontal plane to not so easily absorb the transmitted upload signal that gets radiated in a teardrop pattern to a large degree - compare the before and after from the CLI
It's like leaving a spoon in a hot cup of coffee sucking up the heat, or in this case the radiated RF energy from the transmitter, both absorbed by and reflected from the roof causing the noise part of the ratio and even transmission errors that needs to be resent until successful - possibly slowing it down by a large percentage?
Every little bit helps!
PS turn off the router while you're up there so as to not harm the transmitter (or your brain) - highly focused RF radiation from a directional array does fry DNA at very high levels of power found at the tower 3.5K-11.5K vs 4-6 Watts for you which is considered "safe" 🤔 - but don't worry x-rays are far worse.
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Thanks for the great content 👍
I swapped the cables at least 5 or 6 times that day. I also got my best ever router signal that day after adjusting.
Good video content. One thing I'd throw in: the MIMO Panel Antenna Kit by Waveform is recommended for areas with heavy tree coverage, since the Waveform antenna is a bit less sensitive to direction. If you're in a relatively flat area with line of sight to your tower, your antenna configuration is preferred.
Very informative! Thank you!
Thank you for watching
I like the quality of your metal roof, give a hi 5 to whoever installed it for you
T-Mobile Home Internet is awesome. We've been using that for about 5 years and couldn't be happier. We REALLY use it too... hit between 690 GB and 782 GB of data usage every month since I started working remotely from home.
Ive heard nothing but great things about it, I wish it was available here.
Love the table saw and Miter saw in the "dining room"!!! Even with a VPN I restart my router 1-2 times a day, A refresh discontinues the throttle at time. Be well folks!
I've noticed the restart trick for the ebay plan, seems to work.
Bunch more info Andrew. Thank you. I like that cellmapper site you suggested
It's very useful. Thanks for watching
Hi, Andrew! Thanks for this video. You have helped a lot of people. I have an excellent signal, but I live one building away from Main Street in Rutherfordton, NC. My son in law is Chairman of the Rutherford County Board of Commissioners, and service providers have been very uncooperative with the Board in making service available to our rural citizens. Some have just right out lied to the Board.
That's sad, the US is so far behind on providing good reliable internet to all.
@@TKCL agreed!
Thank you so much you are a God send. I just bought some land and thought Starlink would be option. It is frustrating to not have someone to call and help. You can spend a lot of money and not get good service. I work from home and kids need online school. I will look up this person to see if he can help.
I am currently testing more equipment and plans, it's looking promising. If you don't get the results you want I will have more options coming soon.
Fire Wifi is a great rural plug & play provider. At least, it works really well where I live and there are virtually no other options here except expensive, slow, crappy satellite internet. I want to thank you SOOOOO much for the video where you set up the HiBoost antenna/booster. I ordered one using your Amazon link and we were blown away. We had pretty much the exact same experience you had, going from 2-3 bars to 5! Everyone in my house now has 5 bars throughout the house on their phones. The funny thing is, while my husband was in the process of setting up the outdoor antenna, he set it down for a minute and the antenna was aimed directly at the ground and that was the very moment my daughter and I realized we had 5 bars! Not even aimed at the tower! We joked that our signal is emitting from underground. 😂
Glad you enjoyed the content and found it useful.
I’ve had 4 friends get Starlink without waiting. They sign up for the mobile RV version and bam! Starlink!
Where do they live? I've had a couple of viewers look into it for me and my area still shows max capacity. Not to mention $135 a month is steep.
@@TKCL all over. Colorado, Texas, Oregon, California.
We all met up at a music festival last week and they were mounted to their van conversion. I got 150mbps and I had zero cell reception at the music festival in the woods.
With the mobile RV type location doesn’t matter. All 4 were waiting until they selected the RV option
Great info … watched the first video, bought the equipment, but I am running on cell phone SIM card and having issues. Will most likely try a data only plan … and yes ,do a third video…. Thanks
This device is not designed to run on cell sims. A data only plan is what you need.
Let's remember that 5mps is enough to stream HD video. I got the Verizon 5g at home and I get 150-200mps usually. I must admit sometimes is drops to 50, but not often. $25 month if you have a 5g phone plan.
I tried to get that, not available here.
I have a t mobile wifi router and it's getting 258.93 mbps down and 3.34 mbps up. I'm happy with the service.
That's great download speeds
@@TKCL I got up at 16.8 mbps after 6 pm
when i was using my set up like yours , they were 90 degrees to what you have. they worked great.. just a FYI
I've tried that, but these are directional and came with specific instructions to point them at the tower.
👍👍👍Can't believe the over do is what I do guy hasn't made a shelf in the attic for the router. 🐤🐤🐤
The reason I have not is I was looking into moving it. I just bought patch cables and a splitter to extend the ethernet to my networking box. So it's about to find a permanent home. Mike you are always on me, never a dull moment.
Great video! Just by the way make sure you blur your public IP address when you run a speed test people could use it to DOS you even though it’s unlikely.
The one I got is a KuWFi 300Mbps Outdoor 4G LTE CPE WiFi Router with Sim Card Slot CAT4 SIM Routers with POE Adapter Work with IPcamera or Outside WiFi Coverage (US Version B2/B4/B5/B12/B13/B14/B66/B71) and it works with att I love it
15:52 I love this bit just because of how you say STUPID!
Looks like you've got the right gear for fanastic service. I recently installed a cell booster, and had to return it becuase it didn't work at all. That's the price for trying to go cheap on the booster.
Weboost or Hiboost has worked well for me boosting our cell signal. The Weboost probably works the best.
Andrew, I firmly believe that PVC pipe is a no no. the clamping section on an antenna is part of its grounding system. I opened one up years ago because the supplier wouldn't give me the schematic. I fibreglassed it back together later 🙂 There's not a lot in those antennas but I'm almost ceratain there is a connection back to the clamp. I know you spent hours up there but, hey, on a working platform is luxury. Try again with the 10' of separation first advised and metal pipe. Another few feet can really make a difference. In real estate it's location, location, location. In antennaland it's height, height and more height. Can't hurt to try it next time your up for it.
Your correct and I went back to metal in another episode, I also installed a ground rod and wire directly to the antenna mast.
Verizon Home LTE internet is $50 a month, BUT if you have Verizon Cell service you get it at 50% off or $25 a month. The speed is 25-50 Mbs, we get 50Mbs with Verizon LTE Home. I still have Starlink, but Load balance the two services in an Asus router. With the two, I get about 150Mbs service. Good video, keep them coming.
That's exactly right , I forgot, I forgot about the discount!
Even if it is terrible, please cover part 3!
Testing now!
Not the roof again Andrew. Make sure someone is at home this time. Lol
Lol 🤣
To ensure that your test are giving you accurate results, you need to turn the "mobile data" off on your cell when connected to WiFi. Especially when you are testing speed with the varying signal strength. The reason for this is because there are settings and sometimes built in logic to automatically use the fastest connection you have at the time. So if you have poor WiFi signal strength and slow connection, it will use the mobile data instead since it is faster at that time, in turn giving you different results than you think you are getting. Hope this helps!
let me through another kink in your signal strength; your metal roof is also providing you deflection of the signal, ground it! If the sheets overlap, a single ground will ground it all OR turn the sheeting into an antenna. Also look around your area for an (Amatuer) Ham Radio operator learned in antenna building. You might also add a parabolic wire-mesh behind the antennas.
Great information!
I bought all the parts you suggested, antenna just came and the rest Friday. Got the 5G router rather than the 4G/LTE to prevent having to upgrade in the future. Hoping for the best!
Keep in mind I've shown shown in the videos a 4g LTE router as that's far reaching signal, 5g is not. But your 5g router should be more than capable of picking up 4g LTE as well.
@@TKCL Appreciate it! I'll be connecting the router to our mesh system that spreads the signal across the property.
@@TKCL and @Robert.....HELP....I ONLY have Verizon service in my very remote area and mostly get 1 bar of service IF I DO any. I was trying to check out the data plans from Verizon BUT they wanted the IME # from the device before they would offer or quote my a price OR plan. I don't have the device present yet because I wanted to make sure everything was a GO Before I dropped the greenbacks. They sent me to 'tech support' to answer my questions about why the devise mattered when it comes to the data plan pricing saying they need the ID # so they could order the proper SIM card. Hmmmm? Then they came back and said they do Not offer any data plans for devices that are not from Verizon for any home internet service. Mind you.....I could barley comprehend the broken english on the other end. Where did I go wrong in purchasing a plan so that a activated prepaid sim card would be sent for the Cat 12 modem? I was comprehending that you just purchase a data only Sim card (prepaid) for the service. They acted like I was trying to do some sneaky sh1t or something. Any help or thoughts....Greatly appreciated.
Sadly all companies now require the device and a IMEI number. If you have Verizon only and they are giving you the run around, contact Michael in the video description and he can get you a router, with modem and Verizon Sim that's ready to go. Often it's easier to avoid the big companies and deal with the small guys that know exactly what you need.
FYI that's going to be an UNLIMITED plan from Michael. You can connect it to the same antennas I used in the video and that's in the video description.
The loss you speak of is referred to diminishing returns.
I wish i would of found this video at the beginning of camping season in northern Illinois lol. I got a tmobile hotspot "data only" and now im going to try this next season and see if it will take the card from my hotspot and install in this if it works im keeping it if not ill have to find something else. I have ok signal with the hotspot but it can be better
Make sure you watch my current videos, unlimited T mobile for $39.99 a month and it's fast!
in philippines we use factory unlocked huawei modems that 5G(5th Gen) supported so we can custom settings for better performance and a mimo antenna with GI pipe pole. it works well for a cheaper price.
Great video and only 6 minutes in I appreciate you don't have lots of talk fluff with irreverent info. Is there a link to use for the newer T-Mobile 5G Gateway Arcadyan KVD21? I'm sold on the MIMO antenna, but need to be sure about connections to the new T-Mobile Gateway. Thanks.
I've been an IT guy for 17 years and I'm a ham radio guy. All that is great, I would honestly put a ham radio style tower up to get over your trees. Also I would not keep the router in a hot attic, keep it down in the AC, you will kill it. Otherwise great video, it helps up, we usually can get point to point local providers (dish pointing at a tower), but we've moving to a rural are in AR where there are no good options other than what you show here. Thanks.
That's an air conditioned attic. I'm pleased with my current speeds enough that putting up a tower isn't something I want to do for looks.
@@TKCL Heh, then you're good to go. Thanks again for the video, it got me on a whole research project to figure out what will work for us.
Ok, so working in the industry for 20+ yrs some info hope it helps.. 2 antenna is for MIMO as you say, but that is mainly to help with a propagation affect called multipath (signal bounces off lots of things, arrives at different times and phases). Its mainly to help in urban areas not rural like yours. So the improvement in speed will be much lower. As for the angle and separation.. originally mobile mast antenna were vertical polarised, 0 and 90deg, with physical separation depending on the frequency in use. Then, still in 2G days, people realised that when people were on phones, they were at an angle, so the industry changed to +-45deg polarisation. Hence you are right to have your (yagi or lpda?) antenna like that. The separation between the 2 will be best depending on the tech and bands in use on your tower related to the wavelength. For example, my setup is v. Similar but since my site has LTE1800 as fastest band, I have them 30cm apart
Thank you for the information
Now do it with both hands tied behind your back! Cell booster budget build with no external antenna. OK, minimal external antenna because of your metal roof.
I live way out in the woods and I used a antenna like you have but it just did not work the good you might can try a cpe antenna it is Power over Ethernet and it takes a cat 6 Cable and when I got that it was A big difference and the have them on Amazon
Great info!! Thanks. I am researching this for an RV solution so I can work on the internet from most places in the US. Any thoughts on what you learned and how it applies to an RV?
A good router box will be portable and work well for you as is. You won't always have to hook up an external antenna unless very remote. You could make a portable mount for one of those too. Keep watching my current videos. Better routers and cheaper unlimited plans.
I have found that 8 inch apart at angle of 22 degrees works best.
Good information.
Very informative videos. Both of them. The cell phone booster and internet booster. My question is this. I have a unlimited business plan through AT&T and I use one of the hockey pucks/mobile hotspot. The unite express 2 to be exact. On your first video you hooked up a antenna to boost your cell phone signal. Second video was to boost wifi signal. My question is, if I were to just get a cell phone signal booster such as the weboost, wouldn't that also boost the signal that my hotspot picks up?
Yes and no. Because it's a single antenna setup, it might only boost your upload or download. Hard to say if it would make a difference with both.
I have a Verizon hockey puck Hotspot the waveform plugs right into those ports on it to boost signal
Nice
I'm here in the Philippines and I am in a remote town where 2 tower of Telco's is the only available, I am still having a decent connection @ 80mb downloads and 60 uploads all the time using a CAT19 router while having an UNLIMITED INTERNET for only $17 a month.
Wow that's great speeds and even better pricing.
Ya know, I think they make an adapter to connect rg6u cable into the port of your cellular Hotspot. Straight to your hockey puck Hotspot from your antenna.
New to your channel, enjoyed these two videos and look forward to more. Found you trying to solve my Internet headaches. I'm in rural Louisiana and Starlink is a couple years away for my area. I have a Dish Network connection that is out half the time for Internet. They come out, charge me to find it is working when they are here. Ready to get rid of that crap. Wife has a AT&T first responder unlimited data cell phone. I'm curious what modem/router you found that will take this SIM chip? AT&T don't offer data plans in our area, but this phone, with no antenna does get 8-10Mbs down and 2Mbs up. We are surrounded by trees so looking at getting the MIMO antenna you showed in a previous video to boost the cell signal and see if I can get it higher. Appreciate any feedback on ways to get this phone working to supply my home. Thanks again for all the informative lessons on this topic.
Sadly the first responder plan requires their exclusive router as it's designed to work on a private network. My wife also has access to that plan since she is in the medical field.
@@TKCL Thank you. I'll have to see if that one is an option for us. Ironically when the hurricanes hit here 2 years ago, all the first responder lines were knocked out before the other stuff. Thanks again, look forward to more videos.
Get yourself an mr1100 nighthawk for Firstnet.
Just a little information but today i met two guys measuring for spectrum internet in my rural area in louisiana and they said the government is paying them to run it everywhere so it may be coming to you as well. But even though they are measuring for it i do not think it will be anytime soon.
It is! My electric company took advantage of the infrastructure bill and is bringing us 2 gig fiber internet. It's a 2-3 Plan though, this will get me by until then.
From what you've said it seems like maybe their is only one tower in your area but you still need to keep note of what band you are on when speed testing and if your plan is band locked or if it changes bands based on signal and traffic. On cellmapper I found the tower near me but later found that I was using 3 different bands at different times and 2 of those bands are on the nearest tower and one band was on a different tower. B30 is what I'm on the most but at night it will jump to B14 and I get almost double the speeds on that band and sometimes it will jump to B2 on a farther tower and that is absolutely horrible speeds for me. I asked AT&T if they had a band locked option and they do not and said it's based on traffic. I have that same directional antenna that you are using in this video and it works really well for B14 but when I jump bands I've found that my smaller omni directional antenna works better overall because there's actually different towers in my area that seem to carry B30. It really seems to mostly come down to trial and error on placement and equipment from what I've seen.
There are routers that allow band locking, I don't believe mine offers that. After all this research in the future I'd get a router that would accept cell phone sims and do band locking. I could get unlimited service as low as $25 a month.
For gaming to those who care, bandwidth is not the major issue but latency. Cellular or satellite are both not ideal. 30-50Mb is enough for most and 100Mb for almost all. I personally am looking forward to fiber once it is available as I upload a lot and use about 1.2TB of data per month. I do have to say that wifi range is EXCELLENT.
Your exactly right, how quickly the signal communicates if key for games. But it's just not something I test or use.
@@TKCL what is you’re latency, just curious?
It varies based on conditions. I just ran a test, the ping was 47, download was 376 and upload was 196. I'm assuming that's probably not good enough for gaming 🤷
@@TKCL depends on the game. 47 unloaded is not great but not terrible either. Would be good enough for casual gamers. The loaded latency is pretty tough outside of casual. That said starlink varies a ton so that would not be the answer. When your power company runs fiber you will want that mainly for the improved upload and stability.
And the fact that I can upload a TH-cam video in about 3 minutes that normally takes a couple of hours 😉
If you have T-mobile cell phones that work, You can get a business t-mobile plan and it’s 50 bucks a month and I’ve seen anywhere from 20mbps all the way up to 190mbps. I need to get a router that excepts an external antenna where I can get better signal. A friend of mine lives about 5 miles from the same tower that I’m pulling from and he sees 450-500mbps down and 150-200 up..
I tried and they won't offer it. I have a 3rd party router with T mobile sim and I get unlimited data now.
Think I got just same antennas for 4G worked well about 120M/30M but now got 5G 600M and funniest thing is that they are with unlimited data and cost about $20/month 4G and $40/month 5G here in Finland. 4G coverage is now 100% country and 5G significantly less!
I'm using the tmobile home internet modem and an external mimo 2x2 antenna from waveform and I get about 240 megabits down and 20 megabits up
Your doing extremely well. T mobile home internet was not available in my area.
Hello I see your Video and I thought why you're not using a much higher mast? Like 5m (15ft) or so. We must know if you're looking in to the trees then you have a much worst signal. The trees are full of water and this are a dipole (the water inside is a dipole with 120°) it drops your signal down! And the signal gone be difuse like a fog. The RF Signal is a electro-magnetic wave and it is like light the water in the trees make it difuse like fog for the light! Also to having the Yagi Antennas vertical can bring you more signal quality! The Signal depent on the Quality (less BER bit error rate) and not only on the ping or speed measurement in case of the Repair mechanism are also play in to your measurment. Good Luck!
Because the trees are 80-100ft tall between me and the tower. I can't get above them.
@@TKCL Oh so high now it is all clear
try sphere omni-directional phased-array antenna, yes, mcflatty mcface, but spherical
I got the Starlink RV plan, Wait for ever for the residential plan (since Jan 2021) but no go!!! Finally paid the big bucks for RV plan and some days only get 1MB yep 1MB download speed. It also has never gotten more than 50G speeds and even that was only for a few min then back to slower speeds. Typical 15GB or less. Not worth it. Will try this. I have 5G which is good.
I keep hearing that, the RV plans seem acceptable to throttling. If you have 5g close by, check out T Mobile home internet, only $50 a month and has great reviews. Verizon also offers 4g LTE home internet for $50 a month.
I’m not going to lie, we use around 1-1.5tb of internet a month.. And I’m with T-mobile business cell service.. Between business work and watching videos and gaming at night time..
Wow that's a lot of data.
So I messed with this years ago. The directional antennas you see on carrier supported repeaters work differently and are designed for repeater systems. If you are doing this and actually getting bars inside your house much less up here but hard wired to the unit you are better off having an omnidirectional antenna. This comment section is too small for me to explain but if you run LTE discovery and you have more than one cell available you NEED to run an omni antenna and not directional.
Lolz I’ve been in IT for a long time I don’t understand the suggestion of separating them I get the logic but not really how that works. The length of cables does matter as there is a limit to length and speed cat 5 can run about 1000 ft cable not so much idk the exact feet to speed ratio. Fiber is the best but it’s also completely different technology. Great video for me thinking of switching from Starlink tbh don’t get me wrong I get good speeds but the ping rate isn’t great.
i would add a longer pipe so you come above the treeline
I'm not rural but in the apartment I live in, cable is not available. It's a studio in a converted motel and the owner won't let Spectrum come in to upgrade the cable system left over from the old motel. The owner provides really crappy Wi-Fi. So, I got T-Mobile Home Internet. $50 per month, unlimited data. I usually get 150 - 250 mbps down and generally around 60 mbps up. Never been happier. If you have a T-Mobile 5G tower in the area, it is worth investigating. I've never been limited in speed and it is truly unlimited. Most months I approach 400 - 500 GB. For the AT&T Business Plan, just run a VPN when doing video or music.
It says not available here, but I about to try their service anyway.
@@TKCL Just saw this video and it talks a lot about mobile internet solutions. th-cam.com/video/23DQ3LOmrmM/w-d-xo.html
Awesome!. I set up the same system about a week ago. Still haven't finalized my system. I'm curious as to the routers location. Does putting it up high affect the wifi signal? I've got mine at around 4 feet up off the ground and haven't noticed a very good signal throughout the property at all. Just wondering what height does for a wifi signal?
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"Dos and Don’ts of Wi-fi connectivity: Maximizing Range and Reception:
The closer to 'Line of sight' the better.
Yes, hight is good for distance.
Less walls the better
TV's and monitors can block the signal.
2.4 gig reaches further than 5.0 gig
What he says 👆.... I have only tested it up high, but I wouldn't think going lower would hurt it that much. Make for sure you are connected to the 2.4 Ghz wifi when trying to get distance. There is a huge difference between 2.4 and 5 connection while outdoors. Inside 5 Ghz is usually a fastest connection.
Should have taken your range finder out in the field with you -- lol
I thought about that when I was editing the video. Regardless, it works farther than I would have ever imagined.
My setting is a mofi 5500 4g lte with a t mobile cellphone plan with unlimited data. Is not the best on speed in my area, when is working great I get around 47 mb down but sometimes just the signal disappeared. I don't have any external antenna. I'm currently paying $45 a month
I'm getting your wifi signal over here too, but seriously that's great coverage.
I'm noticing some of the plans I have and had are slow on the (Fast) internet speed app.
So the way I understand if it shows up slower there than a regular speed test by a lot that's some kind of throttling on video streaming. Is this correct? Thanks for the video
What you will see with throttling is you tend to average a certain download. At times of day your area is at peak congestion, you might see a significant reduction in speeds. Then the speeds will go back to normal at other times. Some fluctuation is normal, but a major slow down is probably throttling.
@@TKCL yep ,but I. The fast app, is what I'm referring too, a lot slower than all other test. Try it if you haven't to see
Seems to me that if you added 12 to 20 feet in height for your antennas they might see over the top of those trees
Directly across the street is even higher trees
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Appreciate the info! How did you get your Verizon SIM setup on the OutdoorRouter? Every time I enter the IMEI number on Verizon’s website, it’s telling me the device isn’t compatible on Verizon’s network. Curious if you ran into that issue as well? Thanks again!
I'm running a AT&T plan for now that I bought from the AT&T store. I have a unlimited plan in the mail to test. Verizon does have several data only "pre paid" plans. Make for sure you are on their pre paid website and checking your IMEI number under "data only" plans.
It possibly might have something to do with the plastic pipe not grounding the 2 antennas...
I'm just learning that! Time to test again!
If you would get a few Ubiquiti Access points and a switch, you would get better WiFi access outside
Better? I'm absolutely impressed with the range I have now. But their equipment might improve speed?
Great video series! When you connect your desktop computers to the WiFi, do you have to select 'Hotspot?' I ask because my work computer WILL NOT connect to hotspots, so your option may not work, for folks like me, who require a real internet connection, perhaps with an I.P. address associated with the connection...
No this is just like a home wifi router, it shows an available 2.4 Ghz or 5ghz wifi connection for my computer to connect. FYI TP link makes a travel router that will connect to phone Hotspot and convert it to 2.4 and 5 Ghz wifi for normal devices to connect to. I've been using one for years.
@@TKCL Awesome info!!! Thanks so much!!! You rock!!!
Could the difference have been caused by pole material? It seems a lot of people thought vertical separation would help, but it didn't. Might be because it won't help, but then I noticed you introduced another variable besides vertical separation which was PVC vs metal. Not sure if the antennae get grounded or use the pole...? I'm not communications signal guru, so maybe it will make zero difference but was something that caught my attention.
That does make a difference and I didn't realize that. The manufacturer has reached out to me with suggestions. They actually say to not separate, but do suggest grounding.
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Andrew have you went to a T-mobile store? Online I was told that my address wasn’t covered. I decided to run in to the store here in Lake City and they looked on their map and told me that I was good to go. $50 a month unlimited, no up front cost. They even have a 14 day trial, you can send the router back free of charge. I know your area is a little bit away but I have friends in lower Madison County area that are getting great speeds with T-mobile, seems they are running off of Sprint towers.
I have not, I pulled up a cell map and don't see a T mobile tower anywhere near me. I hear the service is great.
@@TKCL See T-Mobile's coverage map with your address. I was on the fringe for their T-Moible Home Internet extended range and get good speeds 50/7, decent ping and unlimited for $40 a month.
I've checked their map, not available here.
I watched your first video and was sold on this set up. I've set everything up just like yours and have been conversing with the folks at Outdoor Routers and Waveform but I have not gotten nearly the results you have. You stated in your first video that you had help from an IT person to tweak some settings with the router. Any suggestions for an IT person I could get that help from?
It was a viewer that helped me. Basically I logged into the routers settings (in your manual) and on the main page I monitored the rsrq, rssi, snr and signal strength settings. There are good explanations online of what these mean. Monitor those settings as you make very fine adjustments on your antenna setup. Most importantly start with cellmapper.net to find your nearest tower and make a line of site mark in your yard to the tower by looking at the map. Make for sure you are using the appropriate service for the tower (at&t, Verizon ect). Also keep in mind all situations are different due to your location you might get better or worse signal than me.
Thank you. I will try that.
You could just get the RV version. it's not on a wait list. It's a little more, but at least you get it
I'm not hearing good things about it now. But I bought this before I knew about that plan. With that said I'm happy that happened, I'm running a unlimited plan for $70 a month.
Can you do a speed test with up and down tests. The issues are, with 2.4 & 5g, the further you go away & the rf power from a cell phone back to your house.
I'll keep that in mind for the next video, I did do down tests in this video on 2.4 only.
@@TKCL Take a laptop too, try a up & down test. You will notice the Laptop will do better because it has more RF output on the radio for the wifi. Cellphones don't have alot of RF power to transmit and receive thus why the low speed @ far distance.
30ft (10m) of coax ! No, the loss of the coax is hideous, it's hurting your C/N (Carrier-to-Noise). Shorten the coax to 3ft. max, please move the Cellular-Modem box to immediately below the antennas. If you place the Modem in a nice external waterproof plastic box outside, on the pole ideally, then the WiFi base antennas will radiate wonderfully to your meadow. Add WiFi base(s) inside the house via a LAN cat5e cables, to extend WiFi coverage inside. Thanks for the video, love the tractor lift.
Your Drip loop put a zip tie on the wires. Do not clip zip tie end. Water will hit zip tie then follow excess you did not clip and drip from that
Well, I can't even get a solid cellular signal.. I can't even get a digital T.V. signal unless I put up a 80 foot tower...Coasts way to much for tower and would probably would have to replace antenna after bad storm. We have a lot of strong winds that break lots of branches off the trees. I am stuck with paying for local T.V. on the dish company. My internet I am stuck with a slow speed DSL link. I live in a hilly and lots of trees. Century link is waiting for some reason to offer me a higher speed internet!
Cabin in the wilderness. Only towers in area are att. Now do I need a att plan or will a att sim card be enough? This is all new to me & would like to stream for the grand daughters.
Watch this video th-cam.com/video/Leloq-4utqk/w-d-xo.html and look at the links in the video description. Use cellmapper.net to see what is the best cellular coverage in your area. THEN purchase the correct cellular plan and router through Netbuddy for your service. I've been using their service for a few months now with zero issues.