Dude, I wouldn't mind that without the sarcasm. The longer we go without a codex, the longer we'll have the opportunity to buy the wonderful Combat Patrol we have now. I'm 100% sure that the new Combat Patrol we get with the codex will be terrible compared to the current one. Something similar to Thousand Sons or Death Guard.
They should go with a 5 years rotation. 3 years to release all codexes and 2 years to build the narrative to the next edition. It easy those days to update the game with balance dataslate.
@@sagacity1071if they wanted to get the cash injection from the release boxes cycle, has noone told them that they'll probably sell a bajillion boxes with a mid-version update with a new box?
Think they should give 4-5 years per edition 3 years to pump out all the codex and extra models and 1 -2 year everyone gets to play with the codex would make sense and in those 2 years gives those two years to decide and make new codex for the following year
That's how it used to be, 4-5 years per edition, until 6th when they cut it short and rushed out 7th because they broke the game. But back then codex releases were slow and not everyone would even get one per edition.
OR they could pull their fingers out, do it properly and when they release a new edition, all the Codexes are available From the start ! Awful, lazy, outdated release system from GW.
Games workshop creates hype like crazy. Especially through massive hype channels who are basically doing free advertising. Also they still exist as they sell massive hype boxes that sell out instantly. The product isn't profitable due to its quality but it's price tag.
For all the shit GW gets, will say this; the models are fantastic. Good detail, go together well, good plastic. Overpriced to hell, but quality. The game is also not as unbalanced as a lot of people like to say. It could absolutely be better, but it’s still very good and playable where it is.
That's optimistic. My guess is that their major focus for 2024 is Aos since we've had a new 40K edition last year + most big factions' codexes, and now Space Marine 2 will come out, which might keep many 40K fans busy.
In supply terms, it's not a big gap. Codexes go to print six-nine months before release, so the chances that Guard codexes are already rolling out of the printer _right now_ are pretty good. Probably Eldar codexes as well, if not even IK ones.
They need to release the codexes for 10th, then work behind the scenes for a full 40k 11th edition all at once, give 10th a good run for years and allow for internal balancing and time to create 11th ed codexes.
As the others have said, but what about FOMO boxsets with one new character but nothing else you need, and drip-feeding faction releases every now and then such that you can actually get excited about and afford buying what's cool and new at the moment? You won't notice the cost as much if it's over a longer period of time, same as with any other subscription service these days haha. Come on, we all know we are addicted to the consistent supply of our favourite plastic drug!
I think Valrak mentioned that 10e Guard were meant to release at the end of this year, but Something happened that forced GW to delay it to beginning of 2025. And I guess nothing else was ready yet to push up to take its spot?
@@AngryAcolyte I mean, “rumors are rumors”, yes, but he has had a good track record (like I think it came from him that 10e SanGuard were going to be units of 3 and wingless), so I think he has a little benefit of the doubt
They can easilly fill the gap with teasers and other new stuff for Aeldari and Guard new releases. They did something like that with World Eaters, where we knew about the contents for quite a while already, but we had to wait several months more for their release.
really hope they have listened a bit to us so that we don't have a 3 year edition like usual. with so many factions it where not enough time to get them all out, we have gotten more factions and now a Gap with no releases. so them spreading the releases a bit might be a sign for that. and that we have only had 1 Chaos codex release, might point over to the rumors about Daemons being rolled into the other Chaos Codexes so that we will have them come close to each other.
There’s a few bigger picture things that might be worth considering 1. AOS new edition - I’m convinced they’re trying to give as much time for 40K players to dip their toes into AOS which will be a big commercial boon 2. We don’t have the numbers but 40K is more balanced than ever and that might be translating to better sales than ever. So it’s entirely possibly they’ll extend the edition cycle to keep riding the wave 3. We’re 1.5 years in… assume they make it 4 years rather than 3… that leaves 2.5 years… imagine they released 11th edition 40K alongside a shiny new 40K TV show, with Cavil in the press materials for the models as well…
I don’t mind the gap. I just hope they extend the edition some to help compensate - maybe a full year between final book and launch box of 11th? Could we ask for that?
Nope, 2 incredibly broken codexes will come out that will be nerved to the ground and a new edition will come out 4 months afterwards. The only question is what factions will nerfed into the ground before 11th edition.
there have been multiple major shipping issues this year, which I'm sure is partly to blame for the fact that some things got announced much longer before they were released than normal. they did release the same number of codexes this year that they did in 2021 (which was the last AoS release year), so it's not that unexpected.
I've already got 2/3 of my books, the only one I'm waiting on is Space Wolves. But after seeing how rough Dark Angels was and how lackluster Blood Angels are... On behalf of all Space Wolf players I volunteer us to be the last codex of the edition, take your time, we are in no rush. Edit: Hell you could even skip it and have us wait till early 11th, that's FINE.
Well if we assume December will just be the xmas battleforces that leaves 3 months for 3 AoS armies, 2 boxed games - Kill Team and LotR and the rest of the Chaos Old World release.
At least you might get more units and not just some stupid character you have too much of already. The Genestealer cults have so few actual units it's not even funny.
I do wonder how much of this is just accounting for the fact that they’ve had new editions of pretty much everything bar 40K this year (AoS, TOW, Kill Team) and that they’re trying to expand their production facilities. Something has got to give and it makes some sense that it would be 40k for a few months
I get the feeling that when Emperor's Children come out they're gonna get rid of Chaos Demons as a faction and divvy up the demon datasheets into their respective pantheon books. Explains why the only Chaos codex we got so far is CSM
Maybe something WAY worse...keep Daemon as a faction, but take away the army rules🤦🏻♂️ You wanna play Daemon？good, enjoy it without an army rules😏definitely a GW thing🙄
It’s been feeling like something is afoot with the 40k line for a while. I suspect there’s behind the scenes stuff we will probably never know about going on.
If there was something truly crazy going on behind the scenes, there'd probably be a leak about it already. Most major releases and books are leaked after all.
15:00 Malstrain is actually in plastic! still more expensive $pm than buying the normal genestealers, but could be worth it for just running a single 5-man, though I dont know if anyone does that. could probably convert the 6th to a patriarch/broodlord?
There was an article released on Warhammer community today detailing how battletomes would look in the new edition of age of Sigmar. Specifically, there was an emphasis on adding new lore And artwork and to better expand on how each faction feels about their current state in the setting. With multiple written, perspectives both in and out of the faction. the creative team behind 40K is doing something similar. Hopefully refreshing their codexes To be more substantial than the previous ones have been for tenth.
I really hope we aren't waiting a month plus for the blood angel codex to release. It's so frustrating to have the book in my hands and not being able to use it.
So I took a look at 3rd Edition & what transpired during the 6 years of it's reign (of Glory).. 1998 Space Marines Dark Eldar 1999 Blood Angels Dark Angels Chaos Space Marines Imperial Guard Assassins Orks Eldar 2000 Space Wolves Catachans Craftworld Eldar 2001 Tyranids Tau 2002 Necrons 2003 Daemonhunters 2004 Witch Hunters 17 Codices over the course of 6 years - now granted the team(s) are perceived to be a lot larger now, and third edition saw the release of two brand new armies - the Dark Eldar & the Tau, two brand new allied forces in Daemonhunters & Witch Hunters, yet also two complete army redesigns in the Tyranids and Necrons. This list does not include two revised Codices and two "second" Codices, nor does it include Campaign books, which also contained certain force playstyles such as the Ulthwé. Now, we've had in just over a year already 13 Codices released this edition - it's not bad going, having said that.. I would like 10th edition to continue to evolve - stay around longer, much like third. 9th lasted less than 3 years, WAY to short. Essentially; much of the gripe has been with the appalling state of the Indices on release, zigzag e-sports mentality rules balancing based on Meta-players and a clear A/B team writing the rules. Sort that, keep 10th around for a bit so we all get a chance to enjoy our books.
10th is a gakshow with 0 soul or charm. All the flavour of every faction has been torn out in favour of being "competitive focused". The game has become beyond boring and dull, with barely any uniqueness between lists. Detachments are just pants-on-head lazy vs. 9th's army traits, which at least applied an army rule *to your entire army instead of just a handful of spammed units* 10th is a dumpster fire. Let it burn!
Although I like the idea of more Krieg miniatures, I think I'd have liked best to have an updated Tempestus Scions kit, a new version of the catachan box and maybe a light infantry kit like Tanith. That way they could transition from "specific planets units" to something more like a light infantry scout unit (scout and/or infiltration), a line infantry unit , a veteran unit and a Death World veteran unit (CQC and scout). One can dream, but I don't think any of these would come true.
I’m curious what a Tau battleforce would look like if we get one. Battleforces tend to have around 2 center pieces and Kroot don’t have a big centerpiece right now so a 100% Kroot battleforce wouldn’t work. Maybe a mix of Kroot, a Riptide, a hammerhead, a crisis suit team with a commander and fire warriors?
I hope they stretch 10th edition 1-2 years. It seems like a lot of people are happy with balance. The Aeldari for next year will be my next army I hope. It was my first collection 28 years ago and would be fun to revisit.
GW confuse me. Between butchering my wallet with price hikes and then...not making rules for my army? Heroscape just rereleased, I'm going back to that game. Roughly x10 cheaper and you don't have to buy rules seperately
To be honest....the drip feed of codex's and the constant changing of the editions really puts me off from getting into the game. Ive been on the outskirts for years buying models but not buying into the game system because it seems like you can go years before you can actually "have fun" with army. it really is off putting to have such constant changes. Ive been thinking about getting into HH but there are already rumors of a new edition and its just to much.
imo if you want to get into the hobby to play the game dont do it unless you have an actual community to play it with. could just stick to tabletop simulator otherwise
Wahapedia is completely free bud. If youve two teams(or more) of models you can play as long as youve dice. No need even for an opponent, be both sides. The pessimism of others is stopping you from enjoying yourself
@@RMCbreezyFor sure. I play games against myself all the time. Usually whenever I have a new unit to run. Its really helped my perspective I think. Every move I make I get to go to the other side of the table and think about it from my opponents view. Also curious, is the RMC in your name for Rocky Mountain Construction? If so, I'm a fellow thoosie😂
GW’s codex release schedule is ridiculous. It’s absolutely inexcusable that a company that pulls in the money they do is so slow at producing codexes to the point that people get their codexes just a couple months before a new edition. ALL codexes should be released within a year of a new edition. If they can’t do that, then the new edition isn’t ready.
I’m hoping that the big chaos release is going to be an army versus army box. Sometimes those are great & sometimes they’re meh, but they are typically a good value.
Yeah especially since there's a lot of Renegade House players out there who have everything magnetized and run both armies. Plus they're both in the same Index.
@@oneeyedwonderer6781 Yeah I get that but they have to know at this point that it's decisions like that driving people to pirate rules or migrate to other games.
@@captaincorundum9788 Yeah I know you can't run them at the same time. I just meant both the free Index and the cards were one download or one purchase called Knight Households
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't linked to a resource issue within GW HQ - oddly enough, earlier this year, I happened to have a nose at their jobs and there was a load of product design jobs including the senior product manager for a major product line, could be a coincidence and one or two people doesn't make a team, but with no head lead maybe there was no one really steering the ship and keeping them on track and if they advertised that means they might not have felt they could promote from within.
It's frustrating they didn't go over this during the show and outline some of this a bit better. Really fills in the calendar from now through 2025 when you fully see how much is still pending release. And we could maybe see two different Kill Team boxes in 2024 still.
I know its a silly dream that will never come true, but i hope this means we get a longer 10th edition cycle than the standart 3 years. Some stability would be much apprechiated.
Honestly, I wonder if they just didn't update their roadmap. Their last roadmap had other codices releasing this year obviously, but probably the weirdest part was that the Old World roadmap said the Dwarfs were releasing later this year... which obviously isn't the case, since I got my Dwarfs about a month ago.
Two random theories for the delayed codices, although not confident about either of them. First is that they retooling things downstream. I've heard that they usually have the books printed six months ahead release, so I could see them wanting to really take a moment and think about how the game is playing at the moment before coming out with the less played armies. That way they can stretch the 10th Edtion while also figuring out how to make those armies more appealing. Although the downside of that is that it is hurting armies like the Wolves where people are putting investing them off as they are waiting for the new models. The second theory is that GW realized how messy the Sigmar release was for multitude of reasons and want to put some resources in giving that game and the upcoming books there more room to shine.
@@gstellar96 They first released Old World earlier in the year that competed with the same audience, then they put the focus on their first release more on Spearhead than the main game. All the while rolling out the WH40K material which draws much more attention. It was just a weird stumble all around.
@@toniviskari417 I wouldn't say that OW and AoS share the same audience. Ofc there are people who enjoy or compare both (because they are both fantasy settings, altough one of them is much more epic/heroic?) but there is a huge difference between them. Most people I know don't even want to think about AoS while they really enjoy OW and oldhammer in general.
@@JamesEarlCash I don't they have a 1:1 share, but I do feel it would be weird to pretend that there isn't a meaningful overlap there. Regardless of what your friend circle thinks about the game, which isn't even to touch that AoS is pretty popular? The issue is marketing because both are selling fantasy miniature warfare, even if with different flavors.
I don't think that's really possible, given that the books have to be printed and shipped from China. They're not exactly being delivered by express courier hot off the presses. As long as GW insists on selling rules on dead trees, releasing a digital file the day of release is a pretty reasonable way to make last-minute changes.
What needs to happen is at least a management of expectations Of course we can't expect a codex every month but the amount of issues in current Edition (scalpers, out of production units, people having units locked out of their codex with new releases re-classing them) to just say "oh we are only doing codexs next year and nothing for 4 months" without even hinting at any housekeeping feels very hollow
It feels like the long gap is to prepare for the Guard and Eldar codex's. These two factions will likely have a bunch of new models. The Eldar alone have like 20+ outdated models. Pretty much all the Phoenix Lords need to be redone at some point.
please give us poll and ask when would we like to see 11th edition. 3 years, 4 years, 5 years later, or only after all codex are released with at least 8-9 months from the final one.
I more onserve 40k, than anything else, but I still feel like it is weird them not wanting to hit the holiday season hard, and drop new, appealing things, in a time frame when more people typically have those extra dollars, and extra willingness to part with them for frivolous things; either for themselves, or friends and family. And I'm not saying GW isn't already planning to rake in bank, over Christmas, but it seems like dropping in new Guard, and/or Eldar, would help with that. Guard can be an historically expensive faction to collect, and Eldar aren't much better, with the weight on Aspect Warriors, and each box of them costing more than "average troops", and holidays are the disposable income part of the year. As for them, I'm both very excited, and a bit scared, for these two books coming out, finally. Guard and Eldar have probably been my favorite factions since 2005, looking down upon Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and Sisters, and with the 10e track record for codices, I'm not sure if they'll rock, or be little more than a bag of rocks? Guard aren't lighting the world on fire, and they have taken several massive nerfs, and reconfigurations, since the edition started, but they've also,with just one detachment, done better than most Imperium factions. Space Wolves have at least 1+ as many options as Compliant Astartes, and they play one, maybe two ways. Dark Angels...they've only gotten better recently. Space Marines, in general, are supposed to swoop in, and save the beleaguered Guard from fights they can't win, and carry the IP, but they were busy circling the drain, and we can't expect huge gains from Imperial Agents book, which kind of leaves the Imperium held up by Sisters, and Guard, who have managed to do a lot with one detachment. Will their new detachments keep that up? Will the general purpose one get diced up to make a Tsnks one, and an Infantry one, and lose them their flexibility? We'll have to wait and see. For the Eldar, it's a bit of the same, but since they were torn down from their lofty heights, I guess I'm more interested in what new things they'll get. I still hope for plastic Shadow Spectres, instead of them being relegated to Legends, but they're firmly in the camp of not getting used, again, it seems, so they might now be able to afford to ignore them, in favor of older, less interesting, but more iconic, Aspects, and some still desperately need a plastic refresh. I wonder if their detachments will follow Ctafteorld themes, like Astartes did, or more slices, like Sisters, and Blood Angels, but I don't expect they'll do amazing; GW typically LIKES to keep them in a slightly less capable spot, compared to say Astartes, Orks, or Nids.
Hopefully this is because that new Game Design head is taking over and they're making some changes that interrupted the release cycle. Which hopefully means that we won't get any more Codexes like AdMech and Custodes. Conveniently for GW, it also lets them highlight AoS and attempt to bring in more players.
I am curious if the gap between now and January is to allow for a larger range of internal play testing of a number of Kodex is that have not released thus they can rapidly release them before the end of 10th 10th
I hope WG use the gap to restructure how codex are made, so rules are 100% digital with the option to print from app and the Codex are just lore, gallery and digital code to unlock rules.
honestly i i bet it's because of the last few codices and boxes just not seeling well. oh what do i mean oh you can STILL get the 3 Agents battleforces in the USA and even the blood angels one OFF THEIR OWN WEBSITE. i think they're delaying everything to proof read all the codices and crosscheck all the new models to make ABSOLUTELY SURE they're good and not just "golden intercessors" again. which yknow what fine! the last few have been so bare-minimum and bad i GENUINLY want Votann to be dead last, just so they have the most time cooking.
I wish we'd get 5 year or 6 years cycles. Hell it takes some folks a year to paint an army which means they miss 33% of an edition and multiple nerfs and buffs before even getting it to a table
I think 10e needs to last 4 or 5 years if they want to have a game with nearly 30 factions and release 8-10 codexes a year. I'm new, so I lack perspective, but the core rules of 10e are pretty solid so far.
My theory is GW underestimated demand for the combat patrol subscription and dont have enough warehouse stock to accommodate it. Now their already overtaxed production capacity is being killed making old combat partols in order to complete the contract.
Several months from november last year to feb? this year involved a huge warehouse upgrade. It might be that production was basically nil. now we are seeing it bleed through
Genuinely curious if the gap might be the result of either production issues (it's no secret stock levels have been a problem for awhile now) or how poorly recieved many of the 10th Ed Codices have been.
Its going to be at least a year before the votann get there codex. The writing was on the wall soon as the announced the crusade rules are going in white dwarf.
@@peters6345 it doesn't matter if there's strong, the issue is people get bored of playing the exact same rules for 2 years :/ having a codex is important for variety and interesting builds. GW telling me I'm not getting a codex for at least a year, could even be 2, has killed all my desire to play
1 codex in 3 months was the standard for twenty odd years until GW realised they could make more money by rushing them out and resetting the game as soon as they were done
Yeah, but its a bit galling when the only depth in 10th edition comes from picking detachments but half of the game have to make do with a mediocre index instead of having a whole previous codex to play with.
@@Dorsidwarf yeah it would be cool if they handed out an extra detachment for some of the index factions or something like that to tide them over until the codex
Road-Gap is a top tier pun and I salute you for it!
This whole revel could have been an email.
As a WE fan, I for one can’t wait for our codex to drop in May 2026!
I didn't realise it was going to be released early... 😅
You said it buddy, very sad time for our angry bois
Dude, I wouldn't mind that without the sarcasm. The longer we go without a codex, the longer we'll have the opportunity to buy the wonderful Combat Patrol we have now. I'm 100% sure that the new Combat Patrol we get with the codex will be terrible compared to the current one. Something similar to Thousand Sons or Death Guard.
A good two weeks before 11th edition!
Ah yes
Wood elves are a long way off
I suspect with constant faction additions the 3 year edition life cycle might become pretty hard to maintain
We can only hope
It won't stop them selling more monopose hype crates
They should go with a 5 years rotation.
3 years to release all codexes and 2 years to build the narrative to the next edition.
It easy those days to update the game with balance dataslate.
@@sagacity1071if they wanted to get the cash injection from the release boxes cycle, has noone told them that they'll probably sell a bajillion boxes with a mid-version update with a new box?
I hope so I would love longer edition time.
Think they should give 4-5 years per edition 3 years to pump out all the codex and extra models and 1 -2 year everyone gets to play with the codex would make sense and in those 2 years gives those two years to decide and make new codex for the following year
That's how it used to be, 4-5 years per edition, until 6th when they cut it short and rushed out 7th because they broke the game. But back then codex releases were slow and not everyone would even get one per edition.
Uuum... but money? How can rob you of more money otherwise?
I'd rather be rid of 10e asap.
OR they could pull their fingers out, do it properly and when they release a new edition, all the Codexes are available From the start ! Awful, lazy, outdated release system from GW.
GW is really good at killing hype. It really shows how good the product is, because if any other business did this they cease to exist.
Games workshop creates hype like crazy. Especially through massive hype channels who are basically doing free advertising. Also they still exist as they sell massive hype boxes that sell out instantly. The product isn't profitable due to its quality but it's price tag.
For all the shit GW gets, will say this; the models are fantastic. Good detail, go together well, good plastic. Overpriced to hell, but quality. The game is also not as unbalanced as a lot of people like to say. It could absolutely be better, but it’s still very good and playable where it is.
This comment aged well. 3 weeks later and the kickstarter was hit by copyright by GW.
Thanks so much for the shout out ya legend!! Love your work 🫶🍻
With this big of a gap, feels like they are reevaluating things down the line to not have as much bad press for rewrites later
They have 3 aos books and the proper blood angel release. That's 8 weeks minimum.
That's optimistic. My guess is that their major focus for 2024 is Aos since we've had a new 40K edition last year + most big factions' codexes, and now Space Marine 2 will come out, which might keep many 40K fans busy.
In supply terms, it's not a big gap. Codexes go to print six-nine months before release, so the chances that Guard codexes are already rolling out of the printer _right now_ are pretty good. Probably Eldar codexes as well, if not even IK ones.
@@weissraben4476Don’t forget Grey Knights my friend.
They need to release the codexes for 10th, then work behind the scenes for a full 40k 11th edition all at once, give 10th a good run for years and allow for internal balancing and time to create 11th ed codexes.
Money money money
But that only makes them a lot of money, not the most money
@@SteveB182 And that's the bottom line, nothing else matters to GW.
This is an adorable but deep misunderstanding of GW's business model 😂
As the others have said, but what about FOMO boxsets with one new character but nothing else you need, and drip-feeding faction releases every now and then such that you can actually get excited about and afford buying what's cool and new at the moment? You won't notice the cost as much if it's over a longer period of time, same as with any other subscription service these days haha.
Come on, we all know we are addicted to the consistent supply of our favourite plastic drug!
So far the selection of video sponsors is well thought - cool Hobby related stuff and not the typical sponsors you see on every other channel.
I agree. The sponsors definitely fit the content
yeah i will probably check it out
I think Valrak mentioned that 10e Guard were meant to release at the end of this year, but Something happened that forced GW to delay it to beginning of 2025. And I guess nothing else was ready yet to push up to take its spot?
Just because Valrak says something doesn’t mean it’s true
@@AngryAcolyteim pretty sure he actually works for GW and just posts controlled leaks.
There are 3 aos Army books between now and the end of the year with gw disliking dropping new stuff in December.
@@AngryAcolyte I mean, “rumors are rumors”, yes, but he has had a good track record (like I think it came from him that 10e SanGuard were going to be units of 3 and wingless), so I think he has a little benefit of the doubt
@Malllttt you say that but I can't remember the last time his sources was wrong
I believe that we may be going to a 4 year release cycle. Considering that we have major games, old world, 30k, 40k, and Age of Sigmar.
They can easilly fill the gap with teasers and other new stuff for Aeldari and Guard new releases. They did something like that with World Eaters, where we knew about the contents for quite a while already, but we had to wait several months more for their release.
They'll probably have a surprise space marine captain and silly ork model for Christmas. Probably a character from space marine 2
The more I hear about that stream, the more glad I am I didn't wast my time watching it.
Same I had to go to bed early for work the next morning. Would have been so disappointed the next morning as well as tired 😂
really hope they have listened a bit to us so that we don't have a 3 year edition like usual.
with so many factions it where not enough time to get them all out, we have gotten more factions and now a Gap with no releases.
so them spreading the releases a bit might be a sign for that.
and that we have only had 1 Chaos codex release, might point over to the rumors about Daemons being rolled into the other Chaos Codexes so that we will have them come close to each other.
There’s a few bigger picture things that might be worth considering
1. AOS new edition - I’m convinced they’re trying to give as much time for 40K players to dip their toes into AOS which will be a big commercial boon
2. We don’t have the numbers but 40K is more balanced than ever and that might be translating to better sales than ever. So it’s entirely possibly they’ll extend the edition cycle to keep riding the wave
3. We’re 1.5 years in… assume they make it 4 years rather than 3… that leaves 2.5 years… imagine they released 11th edition 40K alongside a shiny new 40K TV show, with Cavil in the press materials for the models as well…
I don’t mind the gap. I just hope they extend the edition some to help compensate - maybe a full year between final book and launch box of 11th? Could we ask for that?
Nope, 2 incredibly broken codexes will come out that will be nerved to the ground and a new edition will come out 4 months afterwards. The only question is what factions will nerfed into the ground before 11th edition.
They needed more time to work on a Space Marine lieutenant obviously
Especially a furry space wolf to compliment the upcoming female custodies
And don't forget :
A new captain too.
@@KrullMaestarena furry female space wolf*
there have been multiple major shipping issues this year, which I'm sure is partly to blame for the fact that some things got announced much longer before they were released than normal. they did release the same number of codexes this year that they did in 2021 (which was the last AoS release year), so it's not that unexpected.
Ya and by the time we hit the guard codex, 9th will have out paced 10th codex releases
I hope this is a sign of GW going back to a 4 yearly 40k lifecycle.
I've already got 2/3 of my books, the only one I'm waiting on is Space Wolves. But after seeing how rough Dark Angels was and how lackluster Blood Angels are... On behalf of all Space Wolf players I volunteer us to be the last codex of the edition, take your time, we are in no rush.
Edit: Hell you could even skip it and have us wait till early 11th, that's FINE.
I wish good luck and patience for players of factions that will receive their books at the end of edition and play for a couple of months
New edition of AoS, then Kill Team, then Middle Earth. Kind of makes sense that 40K has to slow down a bit.
Well if we assume December will just be the xmas battleforces that leaves 3 months for 3 AoS armies, 2 boxed games - Kill Team and LotR and the rest of the Chaos Old World release.
I can't believe we are not getting more Leagues of Votann this year, is crazy how long is taking them to give ppl more units and lore
Right? My lady needs models, who tf wants the same 6 units over and over?
At least we got a book coming, for the lore side of things
At least you might get more units and not just some stupid character you have too much of already.
The Genestealer cults have so few actual units it's not even funny.
Their wave two is gonna be dope af
I do wonder how much of this is just accounting for the fact that they’ve had new editions of pretty much everything bar 40K this year (AoS, TOW, Kill Team) and that they’re trying to expand their production facilities. Something has got to give and it makes some sense that it would be 40k for a few months
can't help but feel something's off/ wrong at Lenton HQ..
I get the feeling that when Emperor's Children come out they're gonna get rid of Chaos Demons as a faction and divvy up the demon datasheets into their respective pantheon books. Explains why the only Chaos codex we got so far is CSM
That would kill greater deamons. WE running with angron, skar, and a bloodthirster
The only issue with that is Be'lakor would have no place to go unless they errata him into CSM
Maybe something WAY worse...keep Daemon as a faction, but take away the army rules🤦🏻♂️
You wanna play Daemon？good, enjoy it without an army rules😏definitely a GW thing🙄
@masterolimario simple fix: legends! Everyones favorite
@@masterolimario Daemons could end up being a Agents of the Imperium style book, meant to be used as allies rather than full on armies.
It’s been feeling like something is afoot with the 40k line for a while. I suspect there’s behind the scenes stuff we will probably never know about going on.
If there was something truly crazy going on behind the scenes, there'd probably be a leak about it already. Most major releases and books are leaked after all.
15:00 Malstrain is actually in plastic! still more expensive $pm than buying the normal genestealers, but could be worth it for just running a single 5-man, though I dont know if anyone does that. could probably convert the 6th to a patriarch/broodlord?
Or if you’re a chaos kitbashing gremlin, you could proxy them as accursed cultists in a genestealer themed csm army
New edition of MESBG releasing soon too, probably around when anime drops
I for one embrace the gap. Gives us some room to breath.
I'm hoping that this extends the lifespan of the edition
There was an article released on Warhammer community today detailing how battletomes would look in the new edition of age of Sigmar. Specifically, there was an emphasis on adding new lore And artwork and to better expand on how each faction feels about their current state in the setting. With multiple written, perspectives both in and out of the faction. the creative team behind 40K is doing something similar. Hopefully refreshing their codexes To be more substantial than the previous ones have been for tenth.
I really hope we aren't waiting a month plus for the blood angel codex to release. It's so frustrating to have the book in my hands and not being able to use it.
So I took a look at 3rd Edition & what transpired during the 6 years of it's reign (of Glory)..
1998
Space Marines
Dark Eldar
1999
Blood Angels
Dark Angels
Chaos Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Assassins
Orks
Eldar
2000
Space Wolves
Catachans
Craftworld Eldar
2001
Tyranids
Tau
2002
Necrons
2003
Daemonhunters
2004
Witch Hunters
17 Codices over the course of 6 years - now granted the team(s) are perceived to be a lot larger now, and third edition saw the release of two brand new armies - the Dark Eldar & the Tau, two brand new allied forces in Daemonhunters & Witch Hunters, yet also two complete army redesigns in the Tyranids and Necrons. This list does not include two revised Codices and two "second" Codices, nor does it include Campaign books, which also contained certain force playstyles such as the Ulthwé.
Now, we've had in just over a year already 13 Codices released this edition - it's not bad going, having said that.. I would like 10th edition to continue to evolve - stay around longer, much like third. 9th lasted less than 3 years, WAY to short.
Essentially; much of the gripe has been with the appalling state of the Indices on release, zigzag e-sports mentality rules balancing based on Meta-players and a clear A/B team writing the rules.
Sort that, keep 10th around for a bit so we all get a chance to enjoy our books.
10th is a gakshow with 0 soul or charm. All the flavour of every faction has been torn out in favour of being "competitive focused".
The game has become beyond boring and dull, with barely any uniqueness between lists. Detachments are just pants-on-head lazy vs. 9th's army traits, which at least applied an army rule *to your entire army instead of just a handful of spammed units*
10th is a dumpster fire. Let it burn!
Although I like the idea of more Krieg miniatures, I think I'd have liked best to have an updated Tempestus Scions kit, a new version of the catachan box and maybe a light infantry kit like Tanith. That way they could transition from "specific planets units" to something more like a light infantry scout unit (scout and/or infiltration), a line infantry unit , a veteran unit and a Death World veteran unit (CQC and scout).
One can dream, but I don't think any of these would come true.
I wish they took this break before the blood angels release
Welcome to AoS when 10th dropped. One full codex between the end of June and 2024.
yea, for 40k fans is a GAP cause only 40k exist lol
Nobody cares about AoS
@@DemonSnakeBd and people like you is the reason why gw put no effort on 40k to be honest
@@DemonSnakeBd You are a prime example why the AoS players seem to be the more chilled fun dudes compared to the 40k players. :P
October 2027 is the 40th anniversary of 40K - I could see 11th edition being delayed a year to be a part of the 40 years of 40K celebrations.
Road gap? Release schedule feels like 2005 in here!
nice prediction for the christmas boxes, saving my coins for the dark angles, bit sad that my new space drawf seems to be forgotten by g dubs somehow
My gut tells me that we're basically just going to be getting a bunch of different individual models / units. By a bunch I mean like three
I am coping with the lul in output by using time to catch up on my pile of shame
I’m curious what a Tau battleforce would look like if we get one. Battleforces tend to have around 2 center pieces and Kroot don’t have a big centerpiece right now so a 100% Kroot battleforce wouldn’t work. Maybe a mix of Kroot, a Riptide, a hammerhead, a crisis suit team with a commander and fire warriors?
I hope they stretch 10th edition 1-2 years. It seems like a lot of people are happy with balance. The Aeldari for next year will be my next army I hope. It was my first collection 28 years ago and would be fun to revisit.
I for one is happy that they slow the pace a bit. ⏰
They should really extend the timeframe per edition aswell.
Everybody : Cannot wait to see what we get for holidays!!! GW:
Got into Eldar recently, post the broken stuff. Excited for a versatile codex whenever it comes.
GW confuse me. Between butchering my wallet with price hikes and then...not making rules for my army?
Heroscape just rereleased, I'm going back to that game. Roughly x10 cheaper and you don't have to buy rules seperately
Rip my deathwatch i just finished painting it 3 weeks ago
To be honest....the drip feed of codex's and the constant changing of the editions really puts me off from getting into the game. Ive been on the outskirts for years buying models but not buying into the game system because it seems like you can go years before you can actually "have fun" with army. it really is off putting to have such constant changes. Ive been thinking about getting into HH but there are already rumors of a new edition and its just to much.
imo if you want to get into the hobby to play the game dont do it unless you have an actual community to play it with. could just stick to tabletop simulator otherwise
Wahapedia is completely free bud. If youve two teams(or more) of models you can play as long as youve dice. No need even for an opponent, be both sides. The pessimism of others is stopping you from enjoying yourself
@@RMCbreezyFor sure. I play games against myself all the time. Usually whenever I have a new unit to run. Its really helped my perspective I think.
Every move I make I get to go to the other side of the table and think about it from my opponents view.
Also curious, is the RMC in your name for Rocky Mountain Construction?
If so, I'm a fellow thoosie😂
@@carysage haha no its something from when i was a dumb teenager. Whats a thoosie?
@@RMCbreezy Hahaha. Roller Coaster Enthusiast.
GW’s codex release schedule is ridiculous. It’s absolutely inexcusable that a company that pulls in the money they do is so slow at producing codexes to the point that people get their codexes just a couple months before a new edition. ALL codexes should be released within a year of a new edition. If they can’t do that, then the new edition isn’t ready.
I’m hoping that the big chaos release is going to be an army versus army box. Sometimes those are great & sometimes they’re meh, but they are typically a good value.
Let’s be honest with ourselves, knights could’ve just been one codex. For both imperial and chaos.
Yeah especially since there's a lot of Renegade House players out there who have everything magnetized and run both armies.
Plus they're both in the same Index.
But why have to sell one codex when you can sell people two
@@oneeyedwonderer6781 Yeah I get that but they have to know at this point that it's decisions like that driving people to pirate rules or migrate to other games.
@@carysage They're.... not in the same index. Their cards are sold together, but their indices are different.
@@captaincorundum9788 Yeah I know you can't run them at the same time. I just meant both the free Index and the cards were one download or one purchase called Knight Households
So as a new player I probably should finish my painting and make the most of my codex since it’s already out!
I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't linked to a resource issue within GW HQ - oddly enough, earlier this year, I happened to have a nose at their jobs and there was a load of product design jobs including the senior product manager for a major product line, could be a coincidence and one or two people doesn't make a team, but with no head lead maybe there was no one really steering the ship and keeping them on track and if they advertised that means they might not have felt they could promote from within.
It's frustrating they didn't go over this during the show and outline some of this a bit better. Really fills in the calendar from now through 2025 when you fully see how much is still pending release. And we could maybe see two different Kill Team boxes in 2024 still.
Re: Battleforces, neither Adeptus Mechanicus or Necrons got special releases with their codex releases - higher odds for a holiday release?
They already have a wonderful Admech box that just came to HH. I say they just give that one 40k Datasheets.
I know its a silly dream that will never come true, but i hope this means we get a longer 10th edition cycle than the standart 3 years.
Some stability would be much apprechiated.
I can’t wait for this year’s christmas battleforces to be the same contents of the original combat patrol just for double the price!
I mean...we aren't getting any more codex releases, but we've all got a few months to save up for Christmas boxes, which is nice
Honestly, I wonder if they just didn't update their roadmap. Their last roadmap had other codices releasing this year obviously, but probably the weirdest part was that the Old World roadmap said the Dwarfs were releasing later this year... which obviously isn't the case, since I got my Dwarfs about a month ago.
Two random theories for the delayed codices, although not confident about either of them.
First is that they retooling things downstream. I've heard that they usually have the books printed six months ahead release, so I could see them wanting to really take a moment and think about how the game is playing at the moment before coming out with the less played armies. That way they can stretch the 10th Edtion while also figuring out how to make those armies more appealing. Although the downside of that is that it is hurting armies like the Wolves where people are putting investing them off as they are waiting for the new models.
The second theory is that GW realized how messy the Sigmar release was for multitude of reasons and want to put some resources in giving that game and the upcoming books there more room to shine.
What exactly was messy about the AoS release?
@@gstellar96 They first released Old World earlier in the year that competed with the same audience, then they put the focus on their first release more on Spearhead than the main game. All the while rolling out the WH40K material which draws much more attention.
It was just a weird stumble all around.
@@toniviskari417 I wouldn't say that OW and AoS share the same audience. Ofc there are people who enjoy or compare both (because they are both fantasy settings, altough one of them is much more epic/heroic?) but there is a huge difference between them. Most people I know don't even want to think about AoS while they really enjoy OW and oldhammer in general.
The AoS release was cleaner than 10th edition 😂
@@JamesEarlCash I don't they have a 1:1 share, but I do feel it would be weird to pretend that there isn't a meaningful overlap there. Regardless of what your friend circle thinks about the game, which isn't even to touch that AoS is pretty popular?
The issue is marketing because both are selling fantasy miniature warfare, even if with different flavors.
Thank god I can concentrate on the stuff I already have
My hope with the Codex Gap, is they rework "in pipe" Codices to not require 0-day corrections.
I don't think that's really possible, given that the books have to be printed and shipped from China. They're not exactly being delivered by express courier hot off the presses. As long as GW insists on selling rules on dead trees, releasing a digital file the day of release is a pretty reasonable way to make last-minute changes.
What needs to happen is at least a management of expectations
Of course we can't expect a codex every month but the amount of issues in current Edition (scalpers, out of production units, people having units locked out of their codex with new releases re-classing them) to just say "oh we are only doing codexs next year and nothing for 4 months" without even hinting at any housekeeping feels very hollow
It feels like the long gap is to prepare for the Guard and Eldar codex's. These two factions will likely have a bunch of new models. The Eldar alone have like 20+ outdated models. Pretty much all the Phoenix Lords need to be redone at some point.
Mad Max: Gap Warrior
please give us poll and ask when would we like to see 11th edition. 3 years, 4 years, 5 years later, or only after all codex are released with at least 8-9 months from the final one.
Just make 10th a longer edition then, make sure 11th is polished before release
I think this is because they don't want to mess up Christmas. So they are going to be focusing the factory on ramping up production.
The first book about Leagues of Votann - "The High Kâhl's Oath" is slated for release on November 1st, 2024, which is Friday. Just sayin'...
I more onserve 40k, than anything else, but I still feel like it is weird them not wanting to hit the holiday season hard, and drop new, appealing things, in a time frame when more people typically have those extra dollars, and extra willingness to part with them for frivolous things; either for themselves, or friends and family. And I'm not saying GW isn't already planning to rake in bank, over Christmas, but it seems like dropping in new Guard, and/or Eldar, would help with that. Guard can be an historically expensive faction to collect, and Eldar aren't much better, with the weight on Aspect Warriors, and each box of them costing more than "average troops", and holidays are the disposable income part of the year.
As for them, I'm both very excited, and a bit scared, for these two books coming out, finally. Guard and Eldar have probably been my favorite factions since 2005, looking down upon Grey Knights, Thousand Sons, and Sisters, and with the 10e track record for codices, I'm not sure if they'll rock, or be little more than a bag of rocks? Guard aren't lighting the world on fire, and they have taken several massive nerfs, and reconfigurations, since the edition started, but they've also,with just one detachment, done better than most Imperium factions. Space Wolves have at least 1+ as many options as Compliant Astartes, and they play one, maybe two ways. Dark Angels...they've only gotten better recently. Space Marines, in general, are supposed to swoop in, and save the beleaguered Guard from fights they can't win, and carry the IP, but they were busy circling the drain, and we can't expect huge gains from Imperial Agents book, which kind of leaves the Imperium held up by Sisters, and Guard, who have managed to do a lot with one detachment. Will their new detachments keep that up? Will the general purpose one get diced up to make a Tsnks one, and an Infantry one, and lose them their flexibility? We'll have to wait and see.
For the Eldar, it's a bit of the same, but since they were torn down from their lofty heights, I guess I'm more interested in what new things they'll get. I still hope for plastic Shadow Spectres, instead of them being relegated to Legends, but they're firmly in the camp of not getting used, again, it seems, so they might now be able to afford to ignore them, in favor of older, less interesting, but more iconic, Aspects, and some still desperately need a plastic refresh. I wonder if their detachments will follow Ctafteorld themes, like Astartes did, or more slices, like Sisters, and Blood Angels, but I don't expect they'll do amazing; GW typically LIKES to keep them in a slightly less capable spot, compared to say Astartes, Orks, or Nids.
Well hope the Christmas boxes are good (and leaked soon so I can budget)
Cool, didn't want a Drukhari codex this year anyway!
Hopefully this is because that new Game Design head is taking over and they're making some changes that interrupted the release cycle. Which hopefully means that we won't get any more Codexes like AdMech and Custodes.
Conveniently for GW, it also lets them highlight AoS and attempt to bring in more players.
I am curious if the gap between now and January is to allow for a larger range of internal play testing of a number of Kodex is that have not released thus they can rapidly release them before the end of 10th 10th
I hope WG use the gap to restructure how codex are made, so rules are 100% digital with the option to print from app and the Codex are just lore, gallery and digital code to unlock rules.
honestly i i bet it's because of the last few codices and boxes just not seeling well. oh what do i mean oh you can STILL get the 3 Agents battleforces in the USA and even the blood angels one OFF THEIR OWN WEBSITE.
i think they're delaying everything to proof read all the codices and crosscheck all the new models to make ABSOLUTELY SURE they're good and not just "golden intercessors" again.
which yknow what fine! the last few have been so bare-minimum and bad i GENUINLY want Votann to be dead last, just so they have the most time cooking.
My local Warhammer store STILL has multiple copies of the sisters battleforce box, GSC, Kroot Box and the agents boxes.
I wish we'd get 5 year or 6 years cycles. Hell it takes some folks a year to paint an army which means they miss 33% of an edition and multiple nerfs and buffs before even getting it to a table
I’m just glad I get my guard codex before the end of the edition
I think 10e needs to last 4 or 5 years if they want to have a game with nearly 30 factions and release 8-10 codexes a year. I'm new, so I lack perspective, but the core rules of 10e are pretty solid so far.
GW heard us say that there needs to be a gap between the codexes and the next edition. Then they put it in the middle of the edition.
My theory is GW underestimated demand for the combat patrol subscription and dont have enough warehouse stock to accommodate it. Now their already overtaxed production capacity is being killed making old combat partols in order to complete the contract.
So...what I'm hearing as a Drukhari player is that there's more time for GW to develop a dedicated "tank" or "knight" equivelant for us?
Another hit of reality is this year only has 4 months left
I love it how the Eldar server was celebrating about the roadmap.
Sorry, I´m not sure if I understood correctly (Eng. ain´t my first language) - will there be anoter Kroot unit, box or something kroot related?
I am excited for this year Christmas boxes cuz last years most of em were good except space marine one. We dont talk about the space marine one
That mystery codex/reveal was such a letdown too.
Several months from november last year to feb? this year involved a huge warehouse upgrade. It might be that production was basically nil. now we are seeing it bleed through
Genuinely curious if the gap might be the result of either production issues (it's no secret stock levels have been a problem for awhile now) or how poorly recieved many of the 10th Ed Codices have been.
I thought at first, when seing the video thumbnail, no more Primaris Lieutenants tik 2025!
Does this mean your channel is screwed? I love seeing your news updates.
Nah he’ll still make videos about the most random garbage out there.
Its going to be at least a year before the votann get there codex. The writing was on the wall soon as the announced the crusade rules are going in white dwarf.
I'm delighted. I have Ynarri, and all the space elves. Now I can save up and paint the greay pile of shame. Delay them more please, GW.!
@TallTaleGael Piss off, mate. Get out of the 40k community if you are going to behave like a tit, yet again.
I guess the one silver lining with 10th is some of the index armies are decently strong. That being said I'm getting bored with 10th ..
@@peters6345 it doesn't matter if there's strong, the issue is people get bored of playing the exact same rules for 2 years :/ having a codex is important for variety and interesting builds. GW telling me I'm not getting a codex for at least a year, could even be 2, has killed all my desire to play
@@jacket2848 I'm with you, just saying at least the factions are playable. I don't approve of how GW runs things
@@jacket2848how is having the index any different than a codex from previous editions? Did you get bored playing those so quickly?
@@jacket2848some people get bored, as the majority dont even learn all their rules in an edition
3D print yourself a new army and start playing that!
1 codex in 3 months was the standard for twenty odd years until GW realised they could make more money by rushing them out and resetting the game as soon as they were done
Yeah, but its a bit galling when the only depth in 10th edition comes from picking detachments but half of the game have to make do with a mediocre index instead of having a whole previous codex to play with.
@@Dorsidwarf yeah it would be cool if they handed out an extra detachment for some of the index factions or something like that to tide them over until the codex
Most of the codexes have one or two usable detachments so it’s not even that great when you get one lol
If the Krieg release is big enough I don't mind the wait. Been waiting decades for a bigger plastic range of Krieg.