Stable volume is the feature I wished they had a LONG time ago. All those videos people upload where their audio is -37.5dB LUFS int... 😂 At least I can hear those videos now! The only issue I've had is where it glitched out on a music video, turning it down quite a lot because the video was -5.5dB LUFS int. Aside from that, it's such a great feature for the vast majority of content. It's disabled by default for music videos. EDIT: Your point about music hardware demos is such a good one. EDIT 2: I have it disabled until I come across a super quiet video, then enable it so it saves me accidentally blasting the neighbours if I want to reference something to a music video where it's disabled and forgot to turn down the SSL2+ (dedicated Windows audio interface).
Totally appreciate your effort to make us (the community of engineers/musicians) up to date with what's going on! Thank you so much for helping people man! I actually noticed something weird when hearing a guitar amp review and when the guitarist switched from crunch to total distorted channel...the volume just turned down awkwardly...like some sort of stupidly dialed compression....I checked the options and found that stable thing which is totally was annoying when hearing that beautiful chug went down!
WOW this is absolutely scary ! Thanks for sharing this information ! There is even a more scary thing with TH-cam, nobody believe me or pay attention to what I am saying in comments like here, but if you upload any song to TH-cam from the normal Web upload interface (TH-cam, TH-cam Studio, or whatever Web online Web tool being part of TH-cam itself), you can upload 10 times the same song, and for each upload, the EQ balance, the loudness, the mid / side balance, the bass, the high frequencies, etc.... will be different, each upload produce a different sound and this is a RANDOM behavior. Nobody notice this possibly because most of us only upload a song once to TH-cam and we blame the TH-cam compression and conversions for the differences that we hear versus the source WAV file. But try this, upload the same song 10 times or 20 times on your channel as a private video or as an unlisted video, compare them side by side at the sane volume (maximum volume for the TH-cam video on screen), and same video resolution, with your best monitoring system and let me know what you get. I have tens of proofs as unlisted videos on my channel, showing this phenomenon clearly, and this is causing me huge problems for what I am doing on my channel to get the best results matching as close as possible the way my source WAV file sounds. I have often to upload a song 10-20-30-40 times and choose the one matching my desired results the most (actually the way the original WAV file sounds), I don't want to work like that, it's not cool at all and possibly many songs on TH-cam do not sound right because of this issue and not because of the TH-cam compression or conversions themselves if the uploads were always sounding 100% the same if the source mp4 is the same. When I upload a song multiple times as unlisted videos on my channel, I always upload THE SAME MP4 file to TH-cam, I do not regenerate it before each upload. I also always upload using the same repetitive steps. In the past, like 4-5 years ago, I remember that TH-cam was preventing me to upload more than once a song that was already uploaded to my channel if it was 100% identical. But now, since TH-cam transforms RANDOMLY the sound for each upload, it is allowing me to upload it any number of times I want, because they are all different. I cannot tell when this has changed to the current state / behavior.
Thanks for sharing this, I never even saw this since on the phone app the switch is hidden in the additional settings! But yeah they did good by disabling this for music. At the same time it's a great option for dialogue, basically the entire time I worked in TV broadcast we had something like this on everything to normalize loudness to a stable -24LUFS, because it's literally a worldwide standard (-ish, there's a 1 or 2 dB difference between the American AES and European EBU standards but it's the same principle). And thank God that includes ads now because loud ads in the 90s were painful 😅
Thanks for this super-important info! Good chance to hear the difference on 'Felony' playing at the end of this video. Maybe sounds a bit like a TPK limiter. Definitely need to educate everyone. Would be a good idea to emulate this exact algorithm so we can test before uploading. Music is only safe if it stands alone, it seems. Appreciated, David. Love.
TH-cam should let creators also toggle this feature on or off for their videos imo. All kinds of videos rely on maintaining the original dynamic range, audio engineering videos yes absolutely but also cinematic videos like short films, trailers or even just clips from movies. It really only is a useful feature for comedy or non-audio related informational videos.
From a literal technical side it causes the phone to bounce from using the headset speaker to using the loudspeaker when you go from mini monitor to full screen, the interesting thing is that on most models (phones/ units) the volume drops drastically in loudness if you had the volume all the way up for example and the phone is in mini viewing mode and you switch screen to full screen mode the volume drops significantly. Possibly the opposite of what you may assume or expect.
It has been useful when watching content over laptop speakers but i think youtube should allow content creators to turn it off if they choose to "make it unavailable" especially if the creator is already limiting their audio keeping content loudness in mind!
Honest Sound Engineers/TH-camrs like you, imho, should have an option to activate in each video you upload an option to NOT be afected by this feature... to "Treat it as a Music Video"
Does switching off the stable volume option permanently switch it off for all videos? It would be a pain if we have to switch it off for every video we watch.
I hope YT puts that as an option on the content creator side to disable it. Sometimes I can't even determine if what I am making is music. I don't want to leave it up to Y.T. AI to make that determination. (and I need my dynamics!)
TH-cam needs to let content creators decided if stable volume is on or off. Stable volume should be off automatically for music and enable/disable left up to content creators of other types of videos. Then again I only hear the differences in comparison videos on youtube about 20% of the time.
Music should definitely not be automatic. Imagine you listen to a classical piece of music and YT make it all the same level. Or any other song that's not completely smashed with limiting.
In my experience it doesnt really have a really bad side effect. Even tutorials it helps the dialogue be louder so you dont go deaf when other people demo stuff lol Luckily its off for music tho
Level matching what? Levels matching peak? RMS? LUFS? Perceived loudness? Level matching is NOT always a good test. If I show a saturator that increases LUFS while lowering transients (half of them) it's completely useless to "level match" Leave it to us to decide.
I just checked my own video uploads. It mostly guesses correctly what is music and what is not. But I did find both a piece of music where the feature was available by mistake, and another one where it probably should have been available but wasn't. I just wish they would document a little better what it is. I'm guessing it's a compressor or a limiter. But who knows.
Hey David! I have a question about bass. I created a bass sound in Serum using 2 oscillators with different shapes. The first oscillator is panned 20% to the left, while the second one is panned 20% to the right, aiming to create a wider sound. I have Ozone 10 set up to keep everything mono below 200Hz on the bass channel. I removed the fundamentals on both oscillators using the process menu in Serum. I also tried to address some 'resonant frequencies' that didn't sound right by using a sidechain dynamic EQ. When the kick drum hits, it attenuates frequencies around 45Hz, 88Hz, and 131Hz. I did this because the bass sounded too boomy without the attenuation. Before this, I listened to it on club speakers, the bass sounded like a mess, even though there isn't much happening around 200Hz. While it's now more controlled, it's still not quite where I want it to be. Is it because the phase problems with 2 different oscillators making the bass ''hectic'' Mainly, the bass is in F2 What do you think I should work on fixing next? I would appreciate a brief response.
Seems like you're trying to micromanage a bit. If the bass you're creating gives you so many issues I'd simply change it for something else. But I know that's not the answer you want, so, without listening to it is almost impossible to know, yet, I'd think the problem might be on the 2 oscillators cycling and not retriggering every note, so I'd check that (if Serum has the option like Massive), the other thing is you're probably better off creating two different waves, separately because it's easier to phase align them (and you can also see if they go out of phase overtime which is most likely what's happening. Out of phase can also mean bump not only dips)
I mainly do post work and work with content creators as an audio editor. I've heard how this effects my work and it sounds like ass. I'll deliver a stream mix and it just slams the dynamic range.
volume control should only be available from your monitoring hardware imo cause of the countless times I've got annoyed with volume changes on the internet I think its great and am disappointed this feature hasn't taken over the entire binary 0's and 1's computer and internet world
if you compose music for a videogame trailer for example, this feature will totally ruin the sound ratio between music and sfx, i think that feature must be only in podcast or vlog videos.
I mean it's been a long time since YT started it but they are the best on implementing useless stuff that nobody asked and just put it by default. YT single handed was able to create a whole industry of small apps created to reverse whatever YT changes.
Hello David, I know you described the 4 vari mu compressors you own, but I wanted to ask you something since I'll be purchasing a tube compressor mainly for the 2 bus. You used the word "velvety" for the Dictator, and that's more about of something happening in the highs, but my question is, since I've had the chance to listen to the UTA Unfairchild: Would you say you feel the sound of the Dictator as "big and 3D" as the Stamchild when used in the 2 bus? Thank you!
No, the two are quite different. The Stam is definitely "bigger" than any other comp but that means a lot of color which is not always what you want. It doesn't go with everything. Dictator is more transparent and hi-fi, not a heavy color, quite subtle. Both are capable of an incredible amount of GR with zero artifacts. Unfarichild tho is very different from the Stam, Stam is much closer to the vintage Fairchild, Unfarichild is brighter and personally, I'm not the biggest fan of it. Doesn't have the same weight at the bottom with. I'd get the Dictator over the Unfarichild any day.
This feature is available since autumn 2023 I guess. There’s no reason to panic, ‘cause it’s not working as should be. Me, personally, clearly hear the A/B difference in tutorial sound videos.
@mixbustv it is ironic how we listen to smallest sonic differences, yet your voiceover is pretty harsh 😇😅😅 no disrespect, i know we not mastering vocals, unless it's some barbershop baby 😃😃😃
Stable volume is the feature I wished they had a LONG time ago. All those videos people upload where their audio is -37.5dB LUFS int... 😂 At least I can hear those videos now!
The only issue I've had is where it glitched out on a music video, turning it down quite a lot because the video was -5.5dB LUFS int. Aside from that, it's such a great feature for the vast majority of content. It's disabled by default for music videos.
EDIT: Your point about music hardware demos is such a good one. EDIT 2: I have it disabled until I come across a super quiet video, then enable it so it saves me accidentally blasting the neighbours if I want to reference something to a music video where it's disabled and forgot to turn down the SSL2+ (dedicated Windows audio interface).
I just realized David hasn't aged at all over the years. I think he must have oversampling 🤔
He is probably digital.
😂😂😂😂
Did ya'll know he was 26 in 1981 🤔
he's AI now
MixbusTV kicks ass!!! My favorite mixing and mastering channel 💯
Totally appreciate your effort to make us (the community of engineers/musicians) up to date with what's going on! Thank you so much for helping people man!
I actually noticed something weird when hearing a guitar amp review and when the guitarist switched from crunch to total distorted channel...the volume just turned down awkwardly...like some sort of stupidly dialed compression....I checked the options and found that stable thing which is totally was annoying when hearing that beautiful chug went down!
The new mantra is going to be "Like, subscribe, notification bell on, stable audio off"
WOW this is absolutely scary ! Thanks for sharing this information !
There is even a more scary thing with TH-cam, nobody believe me or pay attention to what I am saying in comments like here, but if you upload any song to TH-cam from the normal Web upload interface (TH-cam, TH-cam Studio, or whatever Web online Web tool being part of TH-cam itself), you can upload 10 times the same song, and for each upload, the EQ balance, the loudness, the mid / side balance, the bass, the high frequencies, etc.... will be different, each upload produce a different sound and this is a RANDOM behavior. Nobody notice this possibly because most of us only upload a song once to TH-cam and we blame the TH-cam compression and conversions for the differences that we hear versus the source WAV file. But try this, upload the same song 10 times or 20 times on your channel as a private video or as an unlisted video, compare them side by side at the sane volume (maximum volume for the TH-cam video on screen), and same video resolution, with your best monitoring system and let me know what you get. I have tens of proofs as unlisted videos on my channel, showing this phenomenon clearly, and this is causing me huge problems for what I am doing on my channel to get the best results matching as close as possible the way my source WAV file sounds. I have often to upload a song 10-20-30-40 times and choose the one matching my desired results the most (actually the way the original WAV file sounds), I don't want to work like that, it's not cool at all and possibly many songs on TH-cam do not sound right because of this issue and not because of the TH-cam compression or conversions themselves if the uploads were always sounding 100% the same if the source mp4 is the same.
When I upload a song multiple times as unlisted videos on my channel, I always upload THE SAME MP4 file to TH-cam, I do not regenerate it before each upload. I also always upload using the same repetitive steps.
In the past, like 4-5 years ago, I remember that TH-cam was preventing me to upload more than once a song that was already uploaded to my channel if it was 100% identical. But now, since TH-cam transforms RANDOMLY the sound for each upload, it is allowing me to upload it any number of times I want, because they are all different. I cannot tell when this has changed to the current state / behavior.
Definitely good to know, thanks man!
Your always on top of new things appreciate the video
O yes! exactly my thoughts today! And Here your answer! Thank you! Merry Christmas David!!!
Thanks for sharing this, I never even saw this since on the phone app the switch is hidden in the additional settings! But yeah they did good by disabling this for music. At the same time it's a great option for dialogue, basically the entire time I worked in TV broadcast we had something like this on everything to normalize loudness to a stable -24LUFS, because it's literally a worldwide standard (-ish, there's a 1 or 2 dB difference between the American AES and European EBU standards but it's the same principle). And thank God that includes ads now because loud ads in the 90s were painful 😅
It includes ads? That's huge if true
Good to know! Thx David
Oh! Well we learn something new everyday don't we!? Thank you as always for the info man!
Thanks for this super-important info!
Good chance to hear the difference on 'Felony' playing at the end of this video.
Maybe sounds a bit like a TPK limiter. Definitely need to educate everyone.
Would be a good idea to emulate this exact algorithm so we can test before uploading.
Music is only safe if it stands alone, it seems.
Appreciated, David. Love.
This solves issues from bars or public places playing YT music videos. Some places would need a normalizer.
TH-cam should let creators also toggle this feature on or off for their videos imo. All kinds of videos rely on maintaining the original dynamic range, audio engineering videos yes absolutely but also cinematic videos like short films, trailers or even just clips from movies. It really only is a useful feature for comedy or non-audio related informational videos.
Solved: Make yourself a webpage, no restrictions or mess there - add a link here to it - and it will sound exactly how you intended there.
Wow! Great info as usual from you. Thank you
Thanks as always for this info.. Happy New Year
Good to know! Thank you David
Thank you David!
I believe TH-cam fully rolled out Stable Volume around July 2023
yes but it waasnt available to everyone on all platforms
From a literal technical side it causes the phone to bounce from using the headset speaker to using the loudspeaker when you go from mini monitor to full screen, the interesting thing is that on most models (phones/ units) the volume drops drastically in loudness if you had the volume all the way up for example and the phone is in mini viewing mode and you switch screen to full screen mode the volume drops significantly. Possibly the opposite of what you may assume or expect.
It has been useful when watching content over laptop speakers but i think youtube should allow content creators to turn it off if they choose to "make it unavailable" especially if the creator is already limiting their audio keeping content loudness in mind!
Off topic but that Bella's video is so badass!
Stable Volume is available for many months now. I turn it off. For every video. I think I noticed this feature somewhere in the summer.
Honest Sound Engineers/TH-camrs like you, imho, should have an option to activate in each video you upload an option to NOT be afected by this feature... to "Treat it as a Music Video"
It is around from a year or so. The thing they should add its for content creator to block this setting for important audio content.
Just turned it off a few days ago when I saw it, thank God I'm constantly using CC and playbackspeed so as soon as I saw it, I did shut it down.
Does switching off the stable volume option permanently switch it off for all videos? It would be a pain if we have to switch it off for every video we watch.
Yep, it's individual videos unfortunately
I hope YT puts that as an option on the content creator side to disable it. Sometimes I can't even determine if what I am making is music. I don't want to leave it up to Y.T. AI to make that determination. (and I need my dynamics!)
TH-cam needs to let content creators decided if stable volume is on or off. Stable volume should be off automatically for music and enable/disable left up to content creators of other types of videos. Then again I only hear the differences in comparison videos on youtube about 20% of the time.
Music should definitely not be automatic. Imagine you listen to a classical piece of music and YT make it all the same level. Or any other song that's not completely smashed with limiting.
@@mixbustv I meant it should be off automatically. I didn't word that correctly. I'm going to go fix that.
In my experience it doesnt really have a really bad side effect. Even tutorials it helps the dialogue be louder so you dont go deaf when other people demo stuff lol
Luckily its off for music tho
Thanks for the knowledge
Windows already has that option under sounds enhancements , I actually forgot I had it on lol
This might make it harder for some plugin developers to take advantage of the naive by clearly not level matching.
Level matching what? Levels matching peak? RMS? LUFS? Perceived loudness? Level matching is NOT always a good test. If I show a saturator that increases LUFS while lowering transients (half of them) it's completely useless to "level match"
Leave it to us to decide.
why not make this feature as a preference/setting for creators when they are uploading their videos on yt?
Good question 😄 YT just does things and then let everyone else figuring it out lol makes no sense
I just checked my own video uploads. It mostly guesses correctly what is music and what is not. But I did find both a piece of music where the feature was available by mistake, and another one where it probably should have been available but wasn't. I just wish they would document a little better what it is. I'm guessing it's a compressor or a limiter. But who knows.
Hey David! I have a question about bass. I created a bass sound in Serum using 2 oscillators with different shapes. The first oscillator is panned 20% to the left, while the second one is panned 20% to the right, aiming to create a wider sound. I have Ozone 10 set up to keep everything mono below 200Hz on the bass channel. I removed the fundamentals on both oscillators using the process menu in Serum.
I also tried to address some 'resonant frequencies' that didn't sound right by using a sidechain dynamic EQ. When the kick drum hits, it attenuates frequencies around 45Hz, 88Hz, and 131Hz. I did this because the bass sounded too boomy without the attenuation. Before this, I listened to it on club speakers, the bass sounded like a mess, even though there isn't much happening around 200Hz. While it's now more controlled, it's still not quite where I want it to be. Is it because the phase problems with 2 different oscillators making the bass ''hectic''
Mainly, the bass is in F2
What do you think I should work on fixing next? I would appreciate a brief response.
Seems like you're trying to micromanage a bit. If the bass you're creating gives you so many issues I'd simply change it for something else. But I know that's not the answer you want, so, without listening to it is almost impossible to know, yet, I'd think the problem might be on the 2 oscillators cycling and not retriggering every note, so I'd check that (if Serum has the option like Massive), the other thing is you're probably better off creating two different waves, separately because it's easier to phase align them (and you can also see if they go out of phase overtime which is most likely what's happening. Out of phase can also mean bump not only dips)
I notice this stable volume option over 2 months ago.
I mainly do post work and work with content creators as an audio editor. I've heard how this effects my work and it sounds like ass. I'll deliver a stream mix and it just slams the dynamic range.
Glad it doesn't affect music tho', still turning it off for exactly the reasons you mentioned!
Loved it for a month until they just took it away completely from me. And have premium, so idk what they're doing, would love it back
volume control should only be available from your monitoring hardware imo cause of the countless times I've got annoyed with volume changes on the internet I think its great and am disappointed this feature hasn't taken over the entire binary 0's and 1's computer and internet world
if you compose music for a videogame trailer for example, this feature will totally ruin the sound ratio between music and sfx, i think that feature must be only in podcast or vlog videos.
Just tried to switch it off and it won't let me. 🤔
I mean it's been a long time since YT started it but they are the best on implementing useless stuff that nobody asked and just put it by default. YT single handed was able to create a whole industry of small apps created to reverse whatever YT changes.
The Stable Volume feature sounds terrible to me. It makes the sound way too compressed sounding and makes dialogue less clear.
Hello David,
I know you described the 4 vari mu compressors you own, but I wanted to ask you something since I'll be purchasing a tube compressor mainly for the 2 bus. You used the word "velvety" for the Dictator, and that's more about of something happening in the highs, but my question is, since I've had the chance to listen to the UTA Unfairchild: Would you say you feel the sound of the Dictator as "big and 3D" as the Stamchild when used in the 2 bus?
Thank you!
No, the two are quite different. The Stam is definitely "bigger" than any other comp but that means a lot of color which is not always what you want. It doesn't go with everything. Dictator is more transparent and hi-fi, not a heavy color, quite subtle. Both are capable of an incredible amount of GR with zero artifacts. Unfarichild tho is very different from the Stam, Stam is much closer to the vintage Fairchild, Unfarichild is brighter and personally, I'm not the biggest fan of it. Doesn't have the same weight at the bottom with. I'd get the Dictator over the Unfarichild any day.
@@mixbustv Thank you very much!🙌🙌
Hi David I would really like your opinion on Minimal Audio's Morph Eq, I think it could be an interesting plugin for sound design
I'll have to try it
Thank You.. Off that shi...
I'd have never known!
This feature is available since autumn 2023 I guess. There’s no reason to panic, ‘cause it’s not working as should be. Me, personally, clearly hear the A/B difference in tutorial sound videos.
It was introduced back then, meaning only few channels actually had. It's now extended to everyone.
Dont work for the music at the end of this video :)
Which is lowered by 60% for the outro, go figure
Nice video, but this mic used in these last two videos is not it IMO. It almost hurts to listen to at times, great content otherwise though!
Thanks! I will keep an eye on this and turn it off!
2:51 TH-cam is suggesting you watch Matt Walsh.
hehe yeah yeah. I like it for clueless amateur creators. besides that, for the totally off content I'm using a browser(plugin) compressor as well. 🙃
Bro, you mastered your vocals for this video with aliasing!
You can't master vocals, bro.
@mixbustv it is ironic how we listen to smallest sonic differences, yet your voiceover is pretty harsh 😇😅😅 no disrespect, i know we not mastering vocals, unless it's some barbershop baby 😃😃😃
Turning it off!