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1:28 Carbon 3D Launches Automated 3D Printing
3:36 Massivit Raises $5 Million
5:13 We’re Not Talking About the Wilson Basketball
8:20 Tangled Filament Update
17:53 Software Announcements Soon
18:29 Cyber Truck Rusting
24:48 The Dirty Secret with Tesla
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Tesla died January 7, 1943.
stainless steel will develop corrosion pitting when exposed to dust of non-stainless ferrous material like brake disc dust. The dust can penetrate the chromium oxide passivation layer and let corrosion create some pitting into the stainless steel bulk layer. This is normal and happens to all stainless steel. It is stainless, not stain free. Don't expose stainless steel to a lot of ferrous dust. (hard to do on the roads)
This can also happen when stainless is contaminated by a chloride.
What is that tapping/banging in the background sound?
It's instead of music - free music sucks, and payed music gets videos demonetized, so a slight drumming sound is only what nowadays bloggers can afford
Sounds like the roof is leaking again.
sounds like a HVAC duct/baffle moving. But I'd think he'd notice it too and fix it.
12:30 - Tangled PETG... YES!
Would you add links to the video descriptions of your other channels and where to buy your filament? 😁
I wouldn't mind seeing some more data about the Glutt Filament on the product page. is it regular PLA or PLA + that the manufacturer offers... Temperature range is relevant, and lovely, but it would really affect my spending if I knew that this was regularly, lets say, $40 a spool as opposed to $30.
MK3 printer still sells on ebay for $500. Prusa holds value. I have one, and it is slow but just works, so would hate to sell it.
With the pla specs (totally new to your stuff, but love love everything you stand for and show)
However; nothing I see online has the speed specs of the filament? I would stalk and buy ASAP; but I need to make sure I buy the amount for the machines I use.
can you try mixing pla or pla+ and tpu for a stiffer version of a flexible filament or a less brittle version of a normal filament
i think it would be similar to the awesome pctpe, just a lot cheaper
I've never heard of the Wilson Basketball until I came here and you didn't talk about it. :)
Audible is a fantastic company and sponsor to have! What I've seen and appreciated others do is speak to a specific title that relates to the content of the channel... I'd be happy to take your recs on entrepreneurship and engineering... etc
Good idea. Thanks for the suggestion
Wonk sounds like a great filament for people who are looking for raw material for people designing prototypes that are part of the iteration towards a final design on a product. I.e. making sure that clearances are all working, where it doesn't really matter what the color appearance is of the print. Yes a lot of that gets worked into design practices, but it's always a good idea to make test prints that verify function. After all you do want to make sure it's going to work before you go into production.
Really interesting discussion about Tesla - I really find useful your monologues about production at quite a meta level - you clearly have thought about this stuff and it’s very interesting to hear. I’m trying to bring a product to market which will involve injection molding laser cutting and assembly - hence I’m paying attention to your wisdom about mass manufacturing. Eg a lot of what you say about 3d printing - is not emphasised in the normal 3d printing channels - as most people seem to concentrate on one off 3d prints . I’m interested in the “how do I do hundreds or thousands” and realise that it’s entering into a very different risk analysis / design for the risk /
Issues field than simple 3
D design … as you obv talk about from your experience .
Perhaps a video exploring how you got to where you are now incl formal education would be interesting. Are you a graduate industrial designer or engineer …? To understand what your formative previous jobs or businesses have been before you developed your print farm business and design business would be really interesting.
Thanks !
Massivit uses a proprietary UV cure resin so they have a different value proposition to the thermoplastic pellet fed large format machines.
How do you feel about this new induction based 3d printer, as far as prodution cycles and maintainace?
I'm wondering if these are being aimed at the 3d printer farm market?
They are almost skaletal compaired to every other printer, lots of access space, build like a brick shit house, less maintanace???
The extra price would be amortised over time???
The rust is from iron rail dust, it's very common with all cars, even with regular painted cars. It can be buffed off. It's a non-issue.
Just want to take a second and say that’s a sick jacket. You look awesome.
"I'm not gonna talk about the Wilson basketball. I'm not going to talk about the Wilson basketball.. ((talks about the Wilson basketball for 5 minutes))"
You must have ADHD, like me 😂😂😂
Interesting that injection molding is so wasteful, I’d never realized that before. It makes sense, because there’s more plastic in the sprues than the parts for small items. So my 3D printing habit isn’t a big a problem for the Earth as I’d thought 😁
You had me at PETG! I would definitely buy Slant PETG Filament! I thought you guys were only doing PLA
Our Evil Plan!
When’s the Jank line of filament coming out?
Good name
Tesla factories are regularly reconfigured. There is no "production line" there are cells and robots that move things between cells. You have a new fusion car, great some fusion power production cells will come on line and start chucking out those parts. Cells that need them request them.
I wonder why Tesla opted against using a ceramic coating on their trucks.
money
@slant3d I am having The Airless Ball 3D Printed on a EOS SLS Printer in PA12 Nylon. The Model is from Makerworld Double Latice model by PartyLime. I should have it on my hand for torture testing(Bouncing it, Kicking it, trying to break it) and Real Game performance. I Suspect it will be fully functional but too hard on the player's hand on the long run.
Came for the Engineering, hooked on learning the economics - keep it up
About Tesla, I think one of the danger points for them is batteries. They have created manufacturing facilities not only for cars, but for lithium-ion cells. So if there's a disruptive battery tech that comes along, they will have to spend billions to retool, assuming they can't reuse the equipment they have. A good example might be solid electrolyte batteries that cannot be manufactured using a rolling process.
That said, I hope they continue to be efficient and viable. I have a model 3 and love it.
400 series (super tough) alloys ARE prone to a surface “appearance” of rusting. This is due to the ferrous content of these series, which also makes them mildly magnetic. IF the material is totally left alone, it commonly will approach an overall ‘straw’ color without further advancement of apparent corrosion. Also, if NON-ABRASIVELY ‘buffed out’, this straw color will be maintained an NOT increase!
Translucent TPU filament is harder than opaque filament of the same brand…..
Two points:
1. You should put a link to the other youtube channel in your description section.
2. Above point is more crucial because when I search for “tangled filament” I get videos unrelated to you or your channel. I had to seek the video where you mentioned the other channel to check whether I heard it correctly or there was no channel. Only after that I realized the channel name was “Tangled Testing”. Fortunately that did come up when searching. This still doesn’t make “Tangled Filament” a good brand name to search for though. 🤷♂️
Tesla / SpaceX 300-series stainless comes from Outokumpu, a finnish steel company
On the Cybertruck rusting: Stainless steel has different amounts of nickel in it. Lower amount of nickel rusts, higher doesn't, For the Cybertruck, there is iron that is found on the road and air collects dust that has iron in it. Yes, the contamination possibility is there, but very doubtful in comparison to the environmental external contaminates.
Tesla's initial factory was an old Toyota/GM partnership factory in California, that was effectively abandon. Yes they were gutted and 'rebuilt' but Tesla did reuse some of the equipment that was left in the old factory.
As a supplement, I heard that the stainless steel on the Cybertruck is somewhat magnetic. So it can pick up and hold onto said iron particles. Those particles can rust. But the panel underneath is untouched. The easiest way to check if it's rusting is to just wipe the panel down with a cloth and see if the rust clears up or shifts around. Because the normal treatment for rust is sandpaper. That rust is eating away at the metal and you need to grind down to an untouched layer before priming it and painting it. Otherwise the rust will keep spreading.
Cybertruck is built in their newly built Austin factory
Thanks for that clarifying info.
Gosh though, it’s so much less dramatic and anti-Musk than the Cybertruck rusting, clearly too boring for the “news” 😂
@@DaveEtchells To be fair, I don't own one and this is something I'd rather see with my own eye to confirm and make sure I'm not spreading misinformation.
But it sounds like a reasonable assumption considering that they haven't been out long and they've been made supposedly from stainless steel.
According to some owners, the Cyber Truck does not rust, because the specks can be wiped off.
So it is metal dust from the environment, that sticks to the truck.
Lower grade metal (in this care dust) that sticks to higher grade metal oxidizes faster (see batteries or sacrificial anode).
tesla owners coping as hard as possible? what else is new 🤣
@@mrrooter601 Sorry, I don't own a Tesla, and what I wrote are known facts.
You may not like them as Tesla hater.
But if you can disprove them, that would actually be communication. But you won't.
@@dmatscheko I got your point, and learned something in the process whilst not trying to make a joke about a material object you don't own or identify with. Some people just lack brain cells lol.
Elon's even talking about how the company is "between two major growth waves"
This decay of factory happens even with datacenters. Our current datacenter is merely 8 years old now, and it feels painful and restrictive. Everything is slow to do because of the legacy you have to carry on, things are breaking just due to old age too.
One would think a datacenter doesn't decay in the same way, but oh my, they do!
What's that ticking sound in the background?
GST3D has been advertising 6$/kg filament lately :O
Aptera looks like it will be cheap to run :) Let's see how much market share it takes away from Tesla. In cities electric cargo bikes make sense DHL is using them to deliver goods.
Sunk infrastructure investment is the positive/understandable half of why the Alberta government is so unwilling to embrace anything other than fossil fuel energy. (The negative half is all the golden parachutes big oil offers to Alberta politicians... but even there, sunk infrastructure investment is why *big oil* is still pushing hard on fossil fuels.)
Also - a two sentence blurb at the start of the video, read in Gabe's truly lovely voice? (Not sarcasm - I would listen to Gabe read the phone book, his voice is just aesthetically pleasing to me.) I'm totally fine with that if it helps keep the lights on!
What the heck is that clicking in the background??!
All stainless steel will rust. Even the SpaceX starship and booster do rust. The rust will most likely wipe off.
I’m of the opinion that Musk was thinking that ‘hay, when I’ll get to Mars, I’m going to need something to get about in’.
And then he thought, ‘hay, I might get my army of crazy fan boi’s to pay for it’s dev’.
Also, the huge majority of CT that I've seen in photos and vid have been 'wrapped'
Unless the Tesla factory builds itself! (Tesla Bots)
This is true
I generally agree Tesla's days are numbered, they can't grow forever but it think they'll grow longer and larger than most most people believe. They'll grow for at least another decade, maybe 2 before leveling off.
Do you know if Tesla is borrowing to build its factories? Also, did you know they bought a company that manufactures the robots they use in their factory, to reduce development and retooling. Finally, this far Tesla has been very forward thinking regarding the manufacturing process. The machine that builds the machine. Why would you assume they don’t have a plan to replace, restructure, or retool the machine that builds the machine?
Ask Neil Young about Rust. He knows...
Glutt filament is leftovers and yet you want more for it then for your regular filament! Not working very hard to get down to $10 a roll are you!
We don't make Glutt. We have to purchase it from other manufacturers.
What turns a gimmick into a viable alternative? Mass Adoption. 3d printing was and still is seen as a gimmick in manufacturing
It's becoming invaluable in R&D and temporary fixtures for manufacturing.
Tesla responded to the rusting issue a LONG time ago, why are you still guessing incorrectly?
The rust on the Cybertruck is likely a by product of the front brake disks or the pads. When the brakes are applied they is some brake wear and that becomes small specks of metal that "dust" the truck. The fault is more likely that the owners are not washing the truck enough/correctly. I get a similar thing on my white truck and a wash fixes it up. Tesla owners may need to cut back on the Starbucks that has them so jumpy.😜 Thanks for the great conversations about the world of 3D printing and manufacturing, keep it up.
The current used market for 3 year old Prusa MK3s is about $400.
I'm asking $375. What time can you pick it up?
How? I mean, Ok this month, yeah, but last month and next month you can get a more reliable and way more sophisticated machine that does higher quality at 5x the print speed with less maintenance and tuning required, for $400, brand new with a warranty. It's not a sports car, it's a tool - vintage doesn't make it valuable, just obsolete.
@@lucase764 I'm not currently in the market. But, you'll sell that fast if you put it up on eBay.
This dude with the clickbait xD
the delorian rusts too; deal with it; doesnt stop it from being an iconic car
Tesla has several advantages over it's peers that enables it to produce better products for less money. The biggest advantage is that there is far less internal bureaucracy. Like when Henry Ford was running his company, Elon Musk is able to make quick decisions regarding his company, and there is no one who can undermine his authority. This has enabled Tesla to jump more than a generation ahead of his competition, including BYD. Another advantage is that Tesla isn't micromanaged by unions who detest efficient manufacturing.
Key difference with Tesla is their drivetrain is fully electric. This eliminates 1000's of parts within the drivetrain assemblies. The issue with legacy auto manufactures is not debt or old plants (26:15), it's that drivetrains being produced are now obsolete. The issues is current suppliers and supply chains most impacted, not OEMs directly. The OEMs (brands) are impact by lack of suppliers and lack of supply volume from supply chains. An open secret is most automotive brands are just assemblers, not component manufactures, as much of the true manufacturing is done in the large supply chains. (many companies specialized around specific types of components .. spark plugs, fuel injectors, engine blocks, etc. are hurting, where as seats, tires, etc are not) Suppliers for power electronics, battery cells, and more importantly raw materials are limited, so costs high and margins low across the supply chain.
NOTE: OEMs will still need to maintain replacement parts for ~10 years after each production run as autos typically have a lifecycle of 12-15 years on the road.
Something similar happened to supply chains when tube-TVs were replaced by flat-screen TV's (plasma, LED, OLED technologies). Another technology shift occurred with incandescent light bulbs being replaced by florescent, followed by LED lighting. Some testing/experimentation of technologies was involved to learn which scaled best and produced better margins. LEDs have been around since 1960's, just were not bright enough, or cheap enough to scale.
Legacy automotive don't have a choice, as EVs have been cheaper to operate for last 5 years. Within the next 3-5 years will be cheaper to produce (without incentives) compared to combustion vehicles. Incentives only help to shift forward the timeline of high volume production by a few years. (the price vs. volume chicken/egg production issue)
The competition for Tesla's and rest of the automotive industry is China. In the 1990's China's automotive market was
No it wont.
It could very easily be that Tesla forgot to specify a rust-proof variation of stainless steel. Not everyone knows that 'rust proof' isn't part of the definition of 'stainless steel'. And marine-grade stainless (the most rust proof) often has a brownish tint to it that most people aren't a fan of for cosmetic parts. However, some alloys of clear stainless are known as being highly rust resistant in the car world, but people miss the distinction that that's on things like exhaust parts that are polished, and the same alloy unpolished is a LOT less rust resistant.
On a brushed stainless surface (especially 300 series) how you take care of it plays a big part in whether you'll get rust _eventually_. What you wash it with, how often you wash it, etc.
The rusty Cybertruck thing is either a confluence of errors on Tesla's part, or absolute garbage QC on their supplier's part. If Tesla used a rust proof alloy, that failure rate is at least 2-3 orders of magnitude higher than cheap Asian stainless. If they didn't, they failed at advertising, buyer education, _and_ pre-delivery vehicle prep. To be fair, Tesla is kinda known for the 1st and last of those... And they're also known for making rookie mistakes because they don't ask people who know stuff, or Elon ignores and overrides his staff that knows better because he's an educational idiot - and if they don't know, they can't educate the customer properly.
Or...you know, you could check out Tesla's response. Then you can either be satisfied like the mass media, or you can continue to gripe because you don't like the company. The mass media doesn't like Musk. If the response was a bunch of hand-waving and your suppositions actually hold weight, then they would put their full effort into making the Streisand effect happen. Instead, the media is quietly letting it die out. The sensational headline barely lasted a week.
Truth is its probably a simular grade to 420 series "stainless" which is cheaper due to lower chromium content and often able to be hardened and stronger while prone to patchy surface rust spots when exposed to weather while being still marketable as stainless steel. It is presumable that they would choose to use such steel as the 300 series stainless is far too expensive and would not meet structural needs. I also assume they, knowing this type of steel is prone to surface rusting when exposed to elements, would clear coat all body panels in general and just for good measure. It is also probable that there are people out there that have no idea about types or alloys or whatnot or even consider a clear coat being present and they use something like scotchbrite and perhaps even a metal polishing compound to try and polish their turd. Then they get patchy rust, and they're dumbfounded... pour souls bless their hearts.
A bigger issue than aging infrastructure for Tesla is likely to be the cratering demand for EVs. OTOH, that may discourage other companies from going all-in on the market; a number of companies have already cut back on their plans.
I don’t want to get in an argument here with the EV fans (I’m just not going to respond :-/), but the combination of early adopters and fleets having bought what they’re going to, government subsidies expiring in various countries, their impracticality for long trips given current and near-term charging infrastructure and people simply learning what the actual life-cycle cost of ownership is like has demand slacking.
If anyone survives it’ll be Tesla though: Their cost of manufacturing (including dull amortization of capital costs) is so far below the conventional giants that they’re going to need very hard to compete against.
Demand for EVs isn't catering, the mid/high end market is saturated. Low end EVs and plug in hybrids are still selling over MSRP and selling out. I tried to custom order a Prius Prime last month and I was told "nope." They sold out all custom orders within a couple of weeks. If you look at the inventory sitting on lots, it's the cars that cost over $55k. People want a $35k electric car, but there's very few of them available. Also, solid state batteries are on the horizon (probably next year if you believe Toyota) which will almost double the density of the batteries (so double the range for the same space/weight), so you have people like me who are hesitant to buy a new EV since there's new tech only months away that will make it obsolete.
Solid state is coming as are alternative chemistries that fix a lot of the current downsides. Solid state offers 2x the range and 5x+ faster charging as well as not being flammable. The EV companies that jump on newer battery tech will be the ones that make the cut.
Tesla is that dumb. The Delorean had the same issue. People pointed this out when it was first announced. It's not a QC issue, it's a "Stainless steel is not rust proof" issue. Elon set poor expectations, and now people are mad because of it. Not sure why you're even talking about Tesla let alone sticking up for them.
Please stick to what you know. The rust issue has already been debunked and with a little research, you could have prevented further embarrassing yourself.
The resident elon simp has entered the chat😂 sooner or later you'll figure out that he overpromised and underdelivered, again, maybe fall back on the bulletproofing even though that shit doesn't even qualify for 2A😂
So now stainless steel suddenly doesn't corrode when left to the weather unprotected? Care to enlighten me if I'm ignorant?
ok did a little research so officially, just an fyi, but it's not been debunked and this austin guy is incorrect. I wouldn't care too much about austin being embarrassed for anyone, he's personally offended so just smile and nod while he deals with his strong emotions.
In fairness he says it’s his theory, but it seems the reports of “rust” are indeed not what they seem.
@@solarpunk9994 all the pictures ive seen have been AI generated clickbait. Have you found any real pictures?
Stainless steel rusts when exposed to elements... the DeLorean being another example.
Dear Elon, we'll give you Mars on two conditions: 1. you take the first available rocket and 2. you can't come back.
I generally have respected your views but you have no idea on telsa, so full of crap
They have an advantage because they are new. True of every new company.
Stainless not stain free, I am not a tesla fan boy and I drive a diesel truck and I tow 1.5 metric tons and I'm not vegan, but credit is due where credit is due. Stainless steel rusts less, and is significantly more resistant to rust than normal steel, but it will rust, especially if mistreated
Oh boy, another thing that will kill Tesla! Maybe this will be the one that finally does the trick 🙄
A Prusa printer don't depreciated at all like a chinese printer
Since the first i3 MK1 you can upgrade them (by software and parts) to have the nearest "last" version they can produce without to have to buy the last version because all is different !!! It's really another basic philosophy and above all no fashion obsolescence.
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