and when you fall asleep. you have no control over your rifle. easy for your “friends” to hide it for you. or worse have a officer catch you sleeping and not having full control of your gun.
I only mention this because I like your energy and you are speaking to the public about items that are likely to often involve this word: The word "comfortability" does not exist. The word is simply "comfort". Good video, and solid points. -Cheers
Hammocks are great, but chairs will always win with regards to mobility. Sitting in front of the first and the smoke starts blowing your way, you can move in a chair easily enough. Want to hang out in different spots at your campsite, such as by the tents and other times by the camp kitchen, move the chair. Impractical with the hammock setup. I often bring both.
Same here. Where I camp there are often fixed fireplaces but they are usually placed away from trees. Chair for cooking and eating, hammock for coffee and nap afterwards.
Good idea. I have taken some old hammocks and cut them in half. I sew in a seam and then I have a hammock chair . I’ve made several of them . It’s lighter than a full hammock and will fit in your pocket. Good video!
Hummingbird Hammocks are some really nice ones especially if you go Ultra light. I have a complete set of the hammock , tarp , bug net and straps including the extensions for them. It's a part of my ultralight camping gear. I can count ounces and not pounds with it when packing UL , unlike my Jungle hammocks which are a lot heavier. Plus you would never realize how small of a area they require in the pack which lets me use a 25 liter pack ( Chicken Tramper Ultralight Gear ) for everything that's needed.
I have a Terripin Hatchling Hammock Chair. With straps it's 10.2 oz. (so i beat you by .1 oz. 🙂) Also, a bit less comfortable but does have back support, is the Mountainsmith Slingback Chair (4.7 oz.) that utilizes trekking poles. The Hammock is my first option if I am by myself because it is comfortable but it is not practical as you mentioned if you backpack with others. Also problematic if you want to sit by a fire and can't because of the available trees. Enjoyed the video and the summary list of advantages and disadvantages.
I like a hammock. It's great to lounge in & no tent hassles. If a piece of your equipment can do more than 1 thing, that's a bonus. Thank you for sharing 👍
Yes!!! Im not alone anymore 😂. Took both to the Enchantments this week. Used the chair once for about 5 minutes... Spent tons of time using the Hummingbird hammock. Good call, Cam.
I have been using a hammock ever since I began backpacking . ENO sub 6 and Eno tree straps. way better than toting a heavy chair. Also an even lighter weight option is the OneWind gear hammock while not large enough to lay in it is a great shairmock ..
Hammock for summer, chair for cooler and cold weather for around the fire, CCF for more hiking focused trips. Each has its place, a hammock isn't a replacement for a chair. Been using the same one for years minus the extension straps. 8oz and perfect for this use.
Great video, and good point you've brought up. I camp in a Dutchware Chameleon, but additionally I use a DIY little hammock as a chair, which I call my chill hammock, it also doubles as a gear sling at night that I hang next to the Chameleon for easy access to things. I like the UL nature of the Hummingbird hammock, but I think the length, width and suspension get in the way of versatility. If you cut the length to 7 feet, and split the width in half, you can get two small narrow hammocks for one, which is really all you need to rest your back and chill. A shorter hammock will also allow you to hang it in narrower spaces. Put a 7 foot UL webbing strap on either end and that will allow you to hang it in no time. This way you've dealt with most of the disadvantages compared to the chair, except for the social aspect. You hang your hammock where you can and friends would have to gather around you to socialize. My chill hammock is an essential item in my kit and it goes with me everywhere, but I do have a chair for those situations where I'm not doing much backpacking, but rather leisurely sitting around a camp fire, and socializing.
No trees? That thing holds how many pounds? The hammock is not usable with fire. So very limited in use. Might make a replacement for a Krap Strap, but pretty useless if you ask me.
@@HikingWithCamDutchware has one. I’ve made pretend hammock chairs by folding my hammock over on itself width wise. But when hiking I take my Dutchware Cloud 71 which is suuuper light.
I cut a piece off an old ensolite pad & use it as a sitting pad. Disadvantage: you can't lean back in it. Advantages: nearly weightless, takes up almost no space in your pack, can be "set up" in seconds anywhere there's a log or rock to sit on (handy when you're just stopping for a break).
I have a rough plan of trying a two night extreme ultralight trip next summer where I try to get my pack around 10 pounds. I'll be ditching that hammock for that trip, but otherwise I think it's so worth the weight.
If you make a tall tripod with one leg a lot longer you can fold the hammock in half and put a branch through it and take the ends of the hammock and tie it to the top of the tripod . Which will make a reclining chair.
I don't do backpacking but I do camping. I have a hammock that has it's own steel frame. Yes, it's heavy as chet but oh how comfortable it is! Mine is a hammock built for two so if I use it solo, it literally wraps me up like a cocoon.
If you're not going to use it for sleeping and weight is a premium, Dutchwaregear has a hammock chair with suspension that weighs about 6.5 ounces. It's also more flexible with tree spacing as it can fit in smaller spaces as well as longer ones. Dutch has a heavier one that also serves as a pack cover and water basin. Personally, I just sleep and lounge in my hammock and sit or kneel on a piece of reflectix.
I’ve thought about that setup too. It seems extremely comfortable and very little extra weight, but I worry about durability against the ground. Do you know how much they weigh?
@@HikingWithCam The knock offs are actually a little lighter at 11 oz. The zlite is close to a pound. The nice thing about them is they are puncture proof and when sleeping you can put a light air mattress on top so less likely to puncture that way. I have a 40 denier air mattress that weighs about a pound, supposedly an r2 and the zfold is about the same. Sometimes you are just better off carrying a little extra weight.
@@kekelaward If you sit on a four inch pad cross legged, your back is in a neutral position and you can sit that way for hours. It's actually better for your back. You can do the same thing with an office chair if your knees are level with your hips or very slightly lower.
I think hammock hikers should plant trees in their favourite spots so there will always be options. I like to place the chair in about 6 inches of water and soak the clodhoppers after a day of exploring. I might drown if I use a hammock.
Each one has their place i mean lets say your backpacking in the AZ and their is nothing but cacti and no trees the chair would be best but lets say you backpacking in TN in clear weather the hammock would be best so all in all it comes down to location location locatiin and weather
I made my own mini hammock that is 5 feet and 48 inches wide and used only paracord for binding and hanging….I’m 6’4” and it’s perfect for laying with my calves and feet resting on the paracord….it wide enough I could also just sit it in a mostly upright position…….if I want to sit completely upright, I raise the head high and the feet low and instead of laying, I sit…..only 11 ounces and wraps up to a little bigger than a softball
we take both in our kayaks but dont tale a tent . but yeah with hiking its a toss up really . depends where you end up stopping a hammock sertinaly is a viable if not the better option imo
Oh, I’d definitely take one in a kayak too! For backpacking it never occurred to me to take the hammock instead of the chair, but it really worked for me on the east coast USA.
Everything in the world is more comfortable than an ultralight backpacking chair - including a cement block. Why a rational adult would spend money on a chair designed to fit a kindergartner is beyond me. The chair I had in first grade was taller than the one I had in kindergarten! My camping chair is at normal chair height, for an adult. Roll-A-Chair is comfortable to sit in, get up from, and get in to. I’m probably abnormal, liking a chair that is accessible. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Scotland is trying to rewild after millennia of felling. There is very little of the native Caledonian forest left. Most is fat growing commercial. Most glens, bigs moors and mountains have few trees. That is why I stick with the x-mid.
@@BrokenBackMountains I have the x-mid too. I love that tent. I remember walking in the hills around Edinburgh in 2004 on a trip there. You are right that trees are a rarity.
@@HikingWithCam Three in the desert. One for shade. I find the lightest chairs to much work for a short break. So I use a small folding stool. I may modify one so it's a ground chair also to lean your back against, in or out your tent. And with a piece of Coroplast it's a table. Your hammock takes even more time. I'm not sure it is easy enough to get in/out. You see, at a camp you need to do this and do that. And I'm not Tarzan anymore swinging around the forest. Although when trying to get up from a low chair I do make the same sounds.
@driewiel Good points. I agree that it’s not easy to get in and out of the hammock, but I need back support. There’s room for innovation in how we sit in the backcountry, hopefully we’ll see some better ultralight options in the near future!
@@HikingWithCam With a chair you can also sit inside your tent when it rains. 'But wait' you'll say. 'A chair is too high and tent too low!' Nope. If rotate the cover 180 degrees it's a ground chair. Growing trees in your tent may take too long.
@@HikingWithCam I don’t need to, thankfully my built-in logic saved me from having to. Been a hammocker for 15 years and this advice makes the rounds from time to time and it’s as shit today as it was then.
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Hammock is kinda "dangerous" though. You think you're just gonna lay down for 10mins, wake up 3 hours later...
Haha. That is very true!
Lol I did that last week in the garden.....
alarms!
and when you fall asleep. you have no control over your rifle. easy for your “friends” to hide it for you.
or worse have a officer catch you sleeping and not having full control of your gun.
I only mention this because I like your energy and you are speaking to the public about items that are likely to often involve this word: The word "comfortability" does not exist.
The word is simply "comfort".
Good video, and solid points.
-Cheers
Haha. Thanks
Thank you for making your video less than 2 minutes. It was the main reason I clicked.
Thanks I like to get straight to the point. I hope you subscribed too!
Same
@@tinayang3845 Thanks. Do me a favor and subscribe. I have a lot more backpacking content coming out soon!
Hammocks are great, but chairs will always win with regards to mobility. Sitting in front of the first and the smoke starts blowing your way, you can move in a chair easily enough. Want to hang out in different spots at your campsite, such as by the tents and other times by the camp kitchen, move the chair. Impractical with the hammock setup. I often bring both.
These are very good points. The chair definitely wins for mobility, but for me it’s hard to resist the 4.6oz weight savings of the hammock!
I'm for a chair it doesn't weight enough to notice if it's in the pack.
@richardhenry1969 Do what works for you!
Same here. Where I camp there are often fixed fireplaces but they are usually placed away from trees. Chair for cooking and eating, hammock for coffee and nap afterwards.
Good idea. I have taken some old hammocks and cut them in half. I sew in a seam and then I have a hammock chair . I’ve made several of them . It’s lighter than a full hammock and will fit in your pocket. Good video!
That is so cool. By chance could you send me a picture of your diy hammock? If possible, my email is on my TH-cam channel page
@HikingWithCam dutchware hammocks makes a couple different hammock chairs.
@Bamdoozler thanks I’ll check those out
Hummingbird Hammocks are some really nice ones especially if you go Ultra light. I have a complete set of the hammock , tarp , bug net and straps including the extensions for them. It's a part of my ultralight camping gear. I can count ounces and not pounds with it when packing UL , unlike my Jungle hammocks which are a lot heavier. Plus you would never realize how small of a area they require in the pack which lets me use a 25 liter pack ( Chicken Tramper Ultralight Gear ) for everything that's needed.
I have a Terripin Hatchling Hammock Chair. With straps it's 10.2 oz. (so i beat you by .1 oz. 🙂) Also, a bit less comfortable but does have back support, is the Mountainsmith Slingback Chair (4.7 oz.) that utilizes trekking poles. The Hammock is my first option if I am by myself because it is comfortable but it is not practical as you mentioned if you backpack with others. Also problematic if you want to sit by a fire and can't because of the available trees. Enjoyed the video and the summary list of advantages and disadvantages.
I like a hammock. It's great to lounge in & no tent hassles. If a piece of your equipment can do more than 1 thing, that's a bonus. Thank you for sharing 👍
Absolutely agreed. 👍
Would be interesting to see a desert setup or when trees aren’t around
Yes!!! Im not alone anymore 😂. Took both to the Enchantments this week. Used the chair once for about 5 minutes... Spent tons of time using the Hummingbird hammock. Good call, Cam.
Thanks. Your video about luxury items sparked my interest in the HH hammock! th-cam.com/video/Yh9os_ho7bI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J8D9r5Wv2UEyYyou
I have been using a hammock ever since I began backpacking . ENO sub 6 and Eno tree straps. way better than toting a heavy chair. Also an even lighter weight option is the OneWind gear hammock while not large enough to lay in it is a great shairmock ..
Heck yeah, I just went on a 66 mile trip in PA this weekend and had the hammock with me. It was pure joy to sit in that thing at the end of each day.
Hammock for summer, chair for cooler and cold weather for around the fire, CCF for more hiking focused trips. Each has its place, a hammock isn't a replacement for a chair. Been using the same one for years minus the extension straps. 8oz and perfect for this use.
Great video, and good point you've brought up. I camp in a Dutchware Chameleon, but additionally I use a DIY little hammock as a chair, which I call my chill hammock, it also doubles as a gear sling at night that I hang next to the Chameleon for easy access to things. I like the UL nature of the Hummingbird hammock, but I think the length, width and suspension get in the way of versatility. If you cut the length to 7 feet, and split the width in half, you can get two small narrow hammocks for one, which is really all you need to rest your back and chill. A shorter hammock will also allow you to hang it in narrower spaces.
Put a 7 foot UL webbing strap on either end and that will allow you to hang it in no time. This way you've dealt with most of the disadvantages compared to the chair, except for the social aspect. You hang your hammock where you can and friends would have to gather around you to socialize.
My chill hammock is an essential item in my kit and it goes with me everywhere, but I do have a chair for those situations where I'm not doing much backpacking, but rather leisurely sitting around a camp fire, and socializing.
Thanks for the good info!
No trees? That thing holds how many pounds? The hammock is not usable with fire. So very limited in use. Might make a replacement for a Krap Strap, but pretty useless if you ask me.
350 pounds. I believe it too!
looks real great but those tree straps that come with it are basically illegal everywhere
The tree straps that I use I got off of eBay. I have to spread them out around the tree, but they don’t seem to damage the tree at all.
@@HikingWithCam just make sure what the rules are in parks and states . Most want the straps at least 1 inch wide
Hammock chair. Best of both worlds.
Interesting. What brands make a hammock chair?
@@HikingWithCamDutchware has one. I’ve made pretend hammock chairs by folding my hammock over on itself width wise. But when hiking I take my Dutchware Cloud 71 which is suuuper light.
I cut a piece off an old ensolite pad & use it as a sitting pad. Disadvantage: you can't lean back in it. Advantages: nearly weightless, takes up almost no space in your pack, can be "set up" in seconds anywhere there's a log or rock to sit on (handy when you're just stopping for a break).
I have a rough plan of trying a two night extreme ultralight trip next summer where I try to get my pack around 10 pounds. I'll be ditching that hammock for that trip, but otherwise I think it's so worth the weight.
If you make a tall tripod with one leg a lot longer you can fold the hammock in half and put a branch through it and take the ends of the hammock and tie it to the top of the tripod . Which will make a reclining chair.
That’s an interesting idea. I feel like there’s much room for innovation in how we sit in the backcountry.
I have been doing it!! 😍
I don't do backpacking but I do camping. I have a hammock that has it's own steel frame. Yes, it's heavy as chet but oh how comfortable it is! Mine is a hammock built for two so if I use it solo, it literally wraps me up like a cocoon.
If you're not going to use it for sleeping and weight is a premium, Dutchwaregear has a hammock chair with suspension that weighs about 6.5 ounces. It's also more flexible with tree spacing as it can fit in smaller spaces as well as longer ones.
Dutch has a heavier one that also serves as a pack cover and water basin.
Personally, I just sleep and lounge in my hammock and sit or kneel on a piece of reflectix.
That’s a genius idea to use it as a pack cover too. I’ll definitely be checking that out. Thanks!
I'm trying the z fold foam with a light air mattress for sleeping, and just using the z fold foam for sitting.
I’ve thought about that setup too. It seems extremely comfortable and very little extra weight, but I worry about durability against the ground. Do you know how much they weigh?
@@HikingWithCam The knock offs are actually a little lighter at 11 oz. The zlite is close to a pound. The nice thing about them is they are puncture proof and when sleeping you can put a light air mattress on top so less likely to puncture that way. I have a 40 denier air mattress that weighs about a pound, supposedly an r2 and the zfold is about the same. Sometimes you are just better off carrying a little extra weight.
You might check out the Thermarest Trekker chair. It's made for an inflatable mattress, but I just stuff my Z rest in there.
@@kekelaward If you sit on a four inch pad cross legged, your back is in a neutral position and you can sit that way for hours. It's actually better for your back. You can do the same thing with an office chair if your knees are level with your hips or very slightly lower.
Awesome idea, thank you, LL.
Thanks for watching!
I bicycle tour and a hammock would be a good thing to have when there is no level ground rod setup a tent on. Especially when I have to stealth camp
Bicycle camping is one thing I'd LOVE to get into.
Hammocks are better for solo camping, but it's hard to hang out with friends in the campsite with the hammock
Very true. Having extended tree straps helps so you can hang in more places
I think hammock hikers should plant trees in their favourite spots so there will always be options. I like to place the chair in about 6 inches of water and soak the clodhoppers after a day of exploring. I might drown if I use a hammock.
haha, new hammocks could come with a packet of seeds.
Each one has their place i mean lets say your backpacking in the AZ and their is nothing but cacti and no trees the chair would be best but lets say you backpacking in TN in clear weather the hammock would be best so all in all it comes down to location location locatiin and weather
I made my own mini hammock that is 5 feet and 48 inches wide and used only paracord for binding and hanging….I’m 6’4” and it’s perfect for laying with my calves and feet resting on the paracord….it wide enough I could also just sit it in a mostly upright position…….if I want to sit completely upright, I raise the head high and the feet low and instead of laying, I sit…..only 11 ounces and wraps up to a little bigger than a softball
Another one for team hammock! That’s about the same weight as my hammock (11 oz).
we take both in our kayaks but dont tale a tent . but yeah with hiking its a toss up really . depends where you end up stopping a hammock sertinaly is a viable if not the better option imo
Oh, I’d definitely take one in a kayak too! For backpacking it never occurred to me to take the hammock instead of the chair, but it really worked for me on the east coast USA.
For resting hammock is way better....not for overnight...cant sleep in it for too long
I totally agree. I can’t be in a hammock all night. I’m a stomach sleeper
Thermarest chair kits arecgreat too. Less napping danger and if you do, you are already on the ground
I’m interested. I may try and make one of those for my Nemo Tensor
Everything in the world is more comfortable than an ultralight backpacking chair - including a cement block. Why a rational adult would spend money on a chair designed to fit a kindergartner is beyond me. The chair I had in first grade was taller than the one I had in kindergarten!
My camping chair is at normal chair height, for an adult. Roll-A-Chair is comfortable to sit in, get up from, and get in to. I’m probably abnormal, liking a chair that is accessible.
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Couldn’t agree more. The success of these ultralight chairs astounds me.
@@timwarneka5681 G’day, Tim. The only 2 reasons that I can think of are:
#1 stupidity, and
#2 a fad (see #1)
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@@timwarneka5681 G’day, Tim. The only 2 reasons that I can think of are:
#1 stupidity, and
#2 a fad (see #1)
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Ok if there are trees. I just use a rock and an evazote mat. We have lots of rocks.
Very true about trees! Luckily, we don’t have that problem (mostly) on the East Coast US .
Scotland is trying to rewild after millennia of felling. There is very little of the native Caledonian forest left. Most is fat growing commercial. Most glens, bigs moors and mountains have few trees. That is why I stick with the x-mid.
@@BrokenBackMountains I have the x-mid too. I love that tent. I remember walking in the hills around Edinburgh in 2004 on a trip there. You are right that trees are a rarity.
I still take a chair...
@littlegrandadoutdoors That’s great, do what works for you!
Great video. Nice idea. New follower here. Crow✌️
Thanks!
There’s a method where hang slack is set by a ridgeline making tree spacing not critical. This should save you time.
Thanks. I’ll look into that
If you live out west where trees aren't everywhere, a hammock won't always work.
You are correct
And if you live out East where trees are you everywhere, chairs seem superfluous.
I believe he states that.
Well, Helinox chairs (models 0 and 1) are both below 1kg, so you're not saving anything compared to them
Did they come out with a new model? The Helinox website says the Zero is around 0.5KG and my hammock setup is 0.29KG with the straps and all.
I have used the OneWind gear hammock as a chair - th-cam.com/video/MwDXPR-Tbe0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=1rHltZBG72pyALxI&t=27
I always carry two trees to save weight.
Just two? 😂
@@HikingWithCam Three in the desert. One for shade.
I find the lightest chairs to much work for a short break. So I use a small folding stool. I may modify one so it's a ground chair also to lean your back against, in or out your tent. And with a piece of Coroplast it's a table.
Your hammock takes even more time. I'm not sure it is easy enough to get in/out. You see, at a camp you need to do this and do that. And I'm not Tarzan anymore swinging around the forest. Although when trying to get up from a low chair I do make the same sounds.
@driewiel Good points. I agree that it’s not easy to get in and out of the hammock, but I need back support. There’s room for innovation in how we sit in the backcountry, hopefully we’ll see some better ultralight options in the near future!
@@HikingWithCam With a chair you can also sit inside your tent when it rains. 'But wait' you'll say. 'A chair is too high and tent too low!' Nope. If rotate the cover 180 degrees it's a ground chair.
Growing trees in your tent may take too long.
The problem with these camping chairs is their height. IMO age really tells on sitting so low.
Very true
Hummm hammock is multi purpose, or improvised purpose
Give me a hammock any day. At least you can sleep in it also.Stuff your chair!!.
Totally agree! That chair is probably going on facebook marketplace any day now :)
The dumbest video I’ve seen all month.
Chair = max portability.
Hammock = does not.
Try it before you knock it!
@@HikingWithCam I don’t need to, thankfully my built-in logic saved me from having to.
Been a hammocker for 15 years and this advice makes the rounds from time to time and it’s as shit today as it was then.