Hiya mate, you may need to take another look at the fight first fight last rules. Specifically says you cannot use the interrupt if you are under fight last.
Correct -- Editing that part of the video! you CANNOT combat interrupt when you have a "fights last effect" "The only other thing the rare rule does is clarify which units are eligible to fight, and so can make use of the Counter-offensive Stratagem (which lets a unit ‘fight next’). In practice, using the above terms, you can select any ‘fights first’ or ‘fights normally’ unit for this Stratagem" --Designers Commentary
but it also says that a unit under the effect of fight first and i fight last is treated as fights normally - so could interrupt? how about a slaanesh daemon that charges a judiciar? i always thought its innate fight first and the judiciar fight last cancel each other out, but since the unit charged it still fights first. but the way i read it in the rare rules faq, it is then treated as fights normally.
@@peterheinzo515 No matter how many Fight First and Fight Last rules you have on one unit. It does not matter. If you have both rules on a unit. They fight normally. Ergo. Slaanesh demon unit charges the Judicar. You have Fight First from charging and Slaanesh daemon and the Judicar uses its Fight Last ability on the Slaanesh daemon. So 2x Fight first and 1 Fight Last. Still makes the unit fight normally.
3:25 I feel like that’s something that could be simplified by having some kind of rule, maybe a characteristic, which assigns a numerical value to a unit determining their initiative order. This rule, possibly a characteristic, could be placed say, between the “Wounds” and “Attack” stat and be called “Initiative”, or “I” for short.
@@AcrobaticMuffin I think they were just trying to remove one more thing you had to look up for EVERY unit. Although - now it seems that there are more "special rules" to cover the same thing...
It’s worth noting in the GT pack it says if you go into strategic reserves after the game has started, you are not subject to the ‘must come on by turn 3’ rule, so the board edge/deployment zone conditions carry on into turn 4 and 5 still.
Enjoy your content man, one thing I noticed is for actions when being charged you can fight back without failing the action, if you are not destroyed obviously. And the condition of being in engagement range only prevents you from starting the action. Bullet point one and bullet point six in the core book.
I knew a lot of this, but of the TH-camrs I watch I think you did the best job succinctly and simply explaining everything in an easy to understand and clear manner with good examples.
Those were all good! The one thing I always like clarification with is fight order. Otherwise the majority of the items listed are things I routinely have to teach people in my gaming group. Well done and good video.
nice vid. very common mistakes indeed. what i encounter a lot is that you cannot reroll smite damage. as a D6 smite rolls 1, it stays one, no reroll. many people still think rerolling psychic power damage is a "damage roll"
@@SmokeyPants you roll for how many damage the smite does, thats is true. the thing is the command reroll can be used only for a "damege roll" of a weapon with a "damage characteristic". for example lascannon had a damage characteristic of D6. so if you hit, wound, and roll 1 for damage, you can reroll the damage. smite doesn't have a damage characteristic, it just says it deals D3 damage, so no reroll. same as SOME weapons, like callidus assassin's Neural shredder. it has damage characteristic of "*" because it deals damage based on its ability, which says "if you hit, you need to roll 3d6 and if you roll equal or higher than target's LD, deal D3 mortal wounds". Since you cannot reroll damage characteristic of *, you cannot reroll how many mortal wounds it does. other way to look at the thing is that weapons that deal normal damage (lascannons, meltas, bolters...) deal all their damage dealt at once. but weapons that deal mortal wounds and psychic powers that deal mortal wounds don't deal one hit that deals X damage, rather X hits of 1 damage. for example "duty eternal" effect. (not ideal, since it still doesnt work on mortal wounds, but for this demonstration let's say it would...) reduces incoming dmg by one to minimum of one. so lascannon dmg roll of 3 deals 2 damage, but smite roll of 3 damage is 1 damage 3 times, so still deals 3 damage. Note that applying this to smite doesn't work, smite DOESN'T have damage characteristic of one. i.e. Nurglings, they have (had? dunno, long time didnt play against) 5+ FNP against attacks with damage characteristic of 1. that's bolt rifles, power swords and other stuff that deals one damage, but against smites, even though they deal 1 damage multiple times, nurglings get no FNP, because thats not damage charactteristic. hope this answers your question, but if not, feel free to ask more :)
Honestly, I knew more of these than I thought I would! Although the one about what you can and cannot do while performing an action is something I learned less than a week ago...after more than one game of having Celestine heal while in engagement range of enemy units (oops). I felt so bad about that mistake because it gave me a really unfair advantage. There was definitely new info for me here, though. The rules my group and I seem to struggle with most are the terrain rules. Keeping all the different traits straight and remembering which we've assigned to which terrain pieces can be difficult (especially the different types of cover). I know that's not super helpful feedback since you've already made an excellent terrain video (that helped me out a lot!) but it truly is what trips us up the most.
I think, many people also think, they can reroll the number of mortal wounds caused by a smite (especially with a super smite and a bad result from the D6) thinking it is a damage roll, when it is only an effect of a psychic power.
A couple strange rules arguments I have heard: Plasma inceptors I know I need to roll each model separately but do I need to roll each gun separately since if they kill themselves on the first gun they don’t get the rest of their shots? (This similarly would go for vehicles that have weapons that could kill themselves and they elect to shoot that weapon first ) If I have a vehicle in combat with a blast weapon I can elect a target outside of the combat in case my other guns take me out of combat. Would this apply to units as well. Situations like a retributor squad being held in combat by a single model and the superior in the unit electing to try and pistol it away and seeing if she can free the big guns to shoot other elected targets. The minutia of combat movements. I have seen a lot of players who really understand the movements spin circles around those that don’t. Things like how a charge move you only need to get one model in engagement and after that the other models can kind of do what they want as long as they maintain coherency. While pile ins and consolidates and I think even heroic interventions all require closer to the closest model. There is some real jank you can pull when you understand a lot of these movements. Love your content keep on keep in’ on
I've only been back playing since late 8th, early 9th edition so I'm only just now starting to get a lot of these rules under my belt. This video was a great reinforcement for the tricker parts of the game that I've learned. Thanks!!
Damn...these fight rules... :D I just finished to paint a Judiciar and thought I'd refresh the rules for myself for the game of Sunday. Still very complicated, they should simplify it at one point. One question about Plasma blowing up (I am Dark Angels, nom nom nom Plasma) - ex : Helblasters with Assault 3 weapon. Out of the 3 shot on a model, 1 pops up. Model blows up in the Emperor's Glory. But what about the other 2 shots ? Do I get to roll the wound roll or all three shots are going to trash cause 1 hit did a 1 ? Thanks ! Super content btw, clear and helping a lot !
The who selects a unit first in the Fights Last..."sub-phase" has been on my mind for a while. I'm 100% down to accept that it's the Active Player, but I've yet to come across it in black & white. Where can I find that one? For the Strategic Reserves, your graphic was a bit off. Each mission designates which edge is the opponent's. The entire edge is the opponents edge, making the bottom right corner go up 6" for Turn 2. In turn 3, that edge doesn't become Strategic Reserves deployable, it's still their edge. The left side would also go all the way down (into the red) up until 6" from that edge (Turn 3). [Looks like all but the 3 short edge deployments, in GT, consider the long edges the players'. It's identified for each mission in Core & GT books] The eligible charge target's a solid one. It's mostly problematic from those that could roll 3D6 that it has to be brought up, around here anyway. One that has been frustrating to correct recently: Moving one model of an infantry unit in regards to Heavy Weapons & Bolter Discipline. "Subtract 1 from hit rolls if firing model is INFANTRY and its *unit* has moved this turn." "The shooting model is INFANTRY (excluding CENTURION models) and its *unit* Remained Stationary in your previous Movement phase." Emphasis on "unit". Wouldn't bother me if it was newer players, but it's been this way forever and experienced players are borkin' It up.
Can I ask you a question - so I’ll use my example a hive tyrant and a swarm lord charge into a unit of 5 marines ( the plan was the swarm lord could of moved 3 inch into another unit and I was going to use the new stratagem to move the hive tyrant upto 6inch into another combat it was to render his tanks with a stay in combat or fall back scenario) but the marines were Congo lined straight line screen my swarm lord attacks first charging unit kills 4 - he removes 4 models that leaves my hive tyrant out of combat even if he moved his 3 inches I still wouldn’t make it into engagement range is it correct that the hive tyrant even though I won combat then can’t move any inches as he isn’t in combat, neither the 3 or 6 through the strat?
So forgive me if this is a stupid question but does the passive player always go first after a charge or only when the fight first rule is in play? Also if a model has fight first but then gets a fight last buff does it then go to normal order?
Been playing since 6th edition, I am so stoked for thousand sons Legion. Just sad that my 6th edition sons banner man is not a unit anymore. Same with my Doomrider for saleenesh. I am just making him a bike lord or unit leader. So sad.
Regarding charge range. It says that you can only charge if target is within 12" (similar with heroic intervention only within 3"). Is that linear distance? As in, maybe my charge path has to go more than 12", but point to point I'm only 11" away.
Thank you for your vids. Maybe you can help me. Can an infantry unit charge through a wall (terrain with breachable rule) ? Base rules said that you can not charge through terrain but can climb them. But breachabke said you can move through such terrain if you are infantry. Thank you for your help.
Nice video, but I got one question: When my opponent has a unit and a character close by, can I allocate some of my shots onto the character in hope that i do kill the unit and therefore be able to take the shots at the character afterwards?
Can you cover how Dense Terrain is interacted with depending on the 2 types of terrain (obstacle or area). Many times I hear people say that if they are within 3" of area terrain that is Dense, they won't suffer the penalty. I believe that you must be within the area terrain feature to not suffer the penalty from it. It is obstacle terrain that you can be within 3" of because you cannot be within Obstacle terrain.
I don't play 40k, but my little brother does and he's been asking me for tips thanks to you. I don't know how much longer I can hold out on you as my source... Also, damn dude. You clean up nicely!
Great videos! I always thought only psykers can deny psykic actions? Example chaplin grimaldus can attempt to deny like he were a psyker. But he does not have psyker in his keywords dataslate. Rulebook says opponent can than select one of their psykic units to deny that action. Id loce to know your thoughts!
@@danielbrewster8642 Yeah thats the one. Friend always uses it as Ferrymen, so 12" you cant play the game if youre a CC army. Ill check it out, cheers.
Thanks! What happens when these stack… an enemy unit has “fight first” relic/ability but you cast a “fights last” spell onto them, then you subsequently charge them with multiple units, when does the enemy model with both of those stacked get to fight ?
Thank you for the rundown! I hate how they got rid of Initiative and added this convoluted Fight phase system, and I wish they'd drop it and add Initiative back into the game in the next edition.
Agreed. The current system is really counterintuitive. Because fights last is more powerful than fights first, armies that should, thematically, have a good chance of striking before their opponents (Emperor's Children, Eldar etc) actually tend to do the opposite. Not only that, but I am fairly sure they removed stats like initiative to simplify the stat block - but the current system is actually harder to understand.
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks for the clarification. Another thing that confused me - is your graphic for strategic reserves on turn 3 wrong? I thought in turn 3 you'd be able to deploy in your opponent's deployment zone, just not from their battlefield edge, but your graphic suggests you can deploy from their edge but not in their deployment zone.
It might be funny to call you a useless hack, but the truth is this videos is really useful. I’m a new 40K player and I find your videos to be very helpful in understanding the game and becoming better at playing it.
I think the title would have better read: “Seven common mistakes..” as opposed to “Seven MOST common mistakes…” It’s less catchy, but more accurate. Either way, it doesn’t make you a hack lol Keep up the good work!
In theory I know most of this stuff, but in the middle of a game, when you have so many other things to think about it is easy to forget. That is why I like videos like this one - I figure the more I hear it the better the chance of this stuff becoming second nature.
As a new 40k player, there are many rules I get wrong. As you said in the beginning, the game is way overcomplicated. Here are some examples. The Casual ruleset bloat. References to Power Levels and Battle-forged armies are just confusing. It took a while before I realized that if you want to play the way everyone does, all armies are always battle-forged and power levels can be completely ignored (with at least one exception). Tournament rules. I have no idea why it was necessary to take some of the basic rules and put them in a separate rulebook. Possibly so that they can change over time. Which basic rules do as well, with FAQs. The Assault doctrine doesn't buff Assault weapons. Jesus, take the wheel. Everything about terrain, cover, elevation, and line of sight. Sometimes a piece of terrain completely blocks line of sight, but sometimes you can see through it if you have true LoS. Sometimes you need to see the model, other times you need to see the base. Sometimes you need to measure vertical distance, other times things are infinitely high cylinders. Sometimes cover gives a penalty to the to-hit roll, other times it gives a bonus to the armor save roll.
Just moved into a new apartment less than a week ago ;( definitely love the advice though, I've got a lot of purchases to make an making this "studio" better is on the list!
Easy way to fix 90% of all problems with rules without simplyfie the game in a hurtfull way -> return to 2. edition, no matter how desperatly GW needs money xDD Yeah there were problems too, but they was quite easy to solve, and can at least claim to not be a problem, created to fix the very same problem we had in the last edition.
Thanks for making this video - In matched play do models left in Deep Strike really count as destroyed after Turn 3? For example - I cannot deploy a Scion squad via Aerial Drop during T4 or T5 to retrieve data? I specifically see Strategic Reserves being called out but nothing about a model's ability.
The charging fight first unit is dropped to the middle bracket in the description meaning the defending player (charged unit) would be able to be selected first
@@danielbrewster8642 is the "fight after all other units have fought" the same as "fights last?" Or is that different? I've had people say because is worded different and doesn't say "fights last" that it means no matter what that unit can't fight until everything else has fought
can you not re roll an exploding vehicle damage roll bc it's not a weapon damage roll? not sure I understand that part. Is it not considered a damage roll as listed in the command re roll allowance? Does this mean the same when rolling damage on a Smite? If you could clarify that would really be appreciated, thank you :)
My interpretation comes from the core rule book on "making attacks" Each part of the attack has a step from hit, wound, save, and finally damage. The MW from a smite or explosion are not a "damage roll" although they deal damage. I play thousand sons (so I would LOVE to be able to re-roll MWs from smite) but I don't think you can. There's no damage characteristic of a mortal wound, certain things just do a variable number of mortal wounds that are then taken as individual points of damage. And, if it makes you trust me any more, Goonhammer rules writers also say no to smite dmg rerolls
On one hand, Command Reroll determines specificaly which rolls can be rerolled. Vehicle explosion is a separate type of roll, so by that logic it cannot be rerolled, right? But then why do we have "Sabotaged Armory" Alpha Legion stratagem, which specifically says "add 3 to Vehicle explosion roll; it cannot be rerolled"?
Rule about the Strategic reserve turn 3 doesnt seem to be correct. The picture shows that you can deploy on the enemys battlefield edge and not the deployment zone. But the rules are the other way around.
@@danielbrewster8642 So you measure to the unit to make sure its within 12"...and then measure to the barricade for the charge distance ? Not a lot of tournaments use barricades, but casual players tend to use them much more.
@@zellak-pr7pu measure 12 inches to the unit, then you have an attack range of 2 inches if you're within 1 of a barricade. Only need to make it to the barricade to count as getting a successful charge
@@danielbrewster8642 The attacker must be within 2" of the defending model. So if you are 1" from the barricade and the barricade is more than 1" wide then a charge is illegal ?
I find terrain rules are the most are the common mistakes/misinterpreted. I.e light cover while shooting still getting it if your in the same terrain. As opposed to dense.
Wouldnt mind it going back to Initiative Stats. Seems kind of silly that guardsman squad would attack first when charging a unit of say, sanguinary guard or other close combat specialists
Hiya mate, you may need to take another look at the fight first fight last rules. Specifically says you cannot use the interrupt if you are under fight last.
Correct -- Editing that part of the video! you CANNOT combat interrupt when you have a "fights last effect"
"The only other thing the rare rule does is clarify which units are
eligible to fight, and so can make use of the Counter-offensive
Stratagem (which lets a unit ‘fight next’). In practice, using the
above terms, you can select any ‘fights first’ or ‘fights normally’
unit for this Stratagem" --Designers Commentary
but it also says that a unit under the effect of fight first and i fight last is treated as fights normally - so could interrupt? how about a slaanesh daemon that charges a judiciar? i always thought its innate fight first and the judiciar fight last cancel each other out, but since the unit charged it still fights first. but the way i read it in the rare rules faq, it is then treated as fights normally.
@@peterheinzo515 No matter how many Fight First and Fight Last rules you have on one unit. It does not matter. If you have both rules on a unit. They fight normally. Ergo. Slaanesh demon unit charges the Judicar. You have Fight First from charging and Slaanesh daemon and the Judicar uses its Fight Last ability on the Slaanesh daemon. So 2x Fight first and 1 Fight Last. Still makes the unit fight normally.
3:25 I feel like that’s something that could be simplified by having some kind of rule, maybe a characteristic, which assigns a numerical value to a unit determining their initiative order. This rule, possibly a characteristic, could be placed say, between the “Wounds” and “Attack” stat and be called “Initiative”, or “I” for short.
I mourn the day we lost my favourite stat. To this day, I have no idea why it was taken away...
@@AcrobaticMuffin Its removal was as inexplicable as the removal of the Movement stat in 3rd edition.
@@AcrobaticMuffin I think they were just trying to remove one more thing you had to look up for EVERY unit. Although - now it seems that there are more "special rules" to cover the same thing...
It’s worth noting in the GT pack it says if you go into strategic reserves after the game has started, you are not subject to the ‘must come on by turn 3’ rule, so the board edge/deployment zone conditions carry on into turn 4 and 5 still.
Very true!
Thanks for this - you touch on a lot of edge cases that other videos don't cover!
Enjoy your content man, one thing I noticed is for actions when being charged you can fight back without failing the action, if you are not destroyed obviously. And the condition of being in engagement range only prevents you from starting the action. Bullet point one and bullet point six in the core book.
Good reminders and internal mental checklist. I play competitively so I see some of these at just about every event. Good work.
I knew a lot of this, but of the TH-camrs I watch I think you did the best job succinctly and simply explaining everything in an easy to understand and clear manner with good examples.
Glad you like it!
Those were all good! The one thing I always like clarification with is fight order. Otherwise the majority of the items listed are things I routinely have to teach people in my gaming group. Well done and good video.
Man after the first two I was so confident but you caught me off guard with the obsec and the "no auras during actions" rules!
yay
nice vid. very common mistakes indeed.
what i encounter a lot is that you cannot reroll smite damage. as a D6 smite rolls 1, it stays one, no reroll. many people still think rerolling psychic power damage is a "damage roll"
That is new for me. Can you explain? Why is the smite damage roll no damage roll?
@@SmokeyPants you roll for how many damage the smite does, thats is true. the thing is the command reroll can be used only for a "damege roll" of a weapon with a "damage characteristic". for example lascannon had a damage characteristic of D6. so if you hit, wound, and roll 1 for damage, you can reroll the damage. smite doesn't have a damage characteristic, it just says it deals D3 damage, so no reroll.
same as SOME weapons, like callidus assassin's Neural shredder. it has damage characteristic of "*" because it deals damage based on its ability, which says "if you hit, you need to roll 3d6 and if you roll equal or higher than target's LD, deal D3 mortal wounds". Since you cannot reroll damage characteristic of *, you cannot reroll how many mortal wounds it does.
other way to look at the thing is that weapons that deal normal damage (lascannons, meltas, bolters...) deal all their damage dealt at once. but weapons that deal mortal wounds and psychic powers that deal mortal wounds don't deal one hit that deals X damage, rather X hits of 1 damage. for example "duty eternal" effect. (not ideal, since it still doesnt work on mortal wounds, but for this demonstration let's say it would...) reduces incoming dmg by one to minimum of one. so lascannon dmg roll of 3 deals 2 damage, but smite roll of 3 damage is 1 damage 3 times, so still deals 3 damage.
Note that applying this to smite doesn't work, smite DOESN'T have damage characteristic of one. i.e. Nurglings, they have (had? dunno, long time didnt play against) 5+ FNP against attacks with damage characteristic of 1. that's bolt rifles, power swords and other stuff that deals one damage, but against smites, even though they deal 1 damage multiple times, nurglings get no FNP, because thats not damage charactteristic.
hope this answers your question, but if not, feel free to ask more :)
Honestly, I knew more of these than I thought I would! Although the one about what you can and cannot do while performing an action is something I learned less than a week ago...after more than one game of having Celestine heal while in engagement range of enemy units (oops). I felt so bad about that mistake because it gave me a really unfair advantage. There was definitely new info for me here, though.
The rules my group and I seem to struggle with most are the terrain rules. Keeping all the different traits straight and remembering which we've assigned to which terrain pieces can be difficult (especially the different types of cover). I know that's not super helpful feedback since you've already made an excellent terrain video (that helped me out a lot!) but it truly is what trips us up the most.
so glad you liked my terrain video. It and my secondaries video are (i think) my best ones.
I think, many people also think, they can reroll the number of mortal wounds caused by a smite (especially with a super smite and a bad result from the D6) thinking it is a damage roll, when it is only an effect of a psychic power.
Exactly
I'm just starting out. been checking out lore and vs matches. I'm going with custodes
A couple strange rules arguments I have heard:
Plasma inceptors I know I need to roll each model separately but do I need to roll each gun separately since if they kill themselves on the first gun they don’t get the rest of their shots? (This similarly would go for vehicles that have weapons that could kill themselves and they elect to shoot that weapon first )
If I have a vehicle in combat with a blast weapon I can elect a target outside of the combat in case my other guns take me out of combat. Would this apply to units as well. Situations like a retributor squad being held in combat by a single model and the superior in the unit electing to try and pistol it away and seeing if she can free the big guns to shoot other elected targets.
The minutia of combat movements. I have seen a lot of players who really understand the movements spin circles around those that don’t. Things like how a charge move you only need to get one model in engagement and after that the other models can kind of do what they want as long as they maintain coherency. While pile ins and consolidates and I think even heroic interventions all require closer to the closest model. There is some real jank you can pull when you understand a lot of these movements.
Love your content keep on keep in’ on
Thanks Dan! This was really helpful ✌️
I've only been back playing since late 8th, early 9th edition so I'm only just now starting to get a lot of these rules under my belt. This video was a great reinforcement for the tricker parts of the game that I've learned. Thanks!!
The drink cheer is now the only correct way to start a video.
Stay hydrated
Damn...these fight rules... :D I just finished to paint a Judiciar and thought I'd refresh the rules for myself for the game of Sunday. Still very complicated, they should simplify it at one point.
One question about Plasma blowing up (I am Dark Angels, nom nom nom Plasma) - ex :
Helblasters with Assault 3 weapon. Out of the 3 shot on a model, 1 pops up. Model blows up in the Emperor's Glory. But what about the other 2 shots ? Do I get to roll the wound roll or all three shots are going to trash cause 1 hit did a 1 ?
Thanks ! Super content btw, clear and helping a lot !
The who selects a unit first in the Fights Last..."sub-phase" has been on my mind for a while. I'm 100% down to accept that it's the Active Player, but I've yet to come across it in black & white. Where can I find that one?
For the Strategic Reserves, your graphic was a bit off. Each mission designates which edge is the opponent's. The entire edge is the opponents edge, making the bottom right corner go up 6" for Turn 2. In turn 3, that edge doesn't become Strategic Reserves deployable, it's still their edge. The left side would also go all the way down (into the red) up until 6" from that edge (Turn 3). [Looks like all but the 3 short edge deployments, in GT, consider the long edges the players'. It's identified for each mission in Core & GT books]
The eligible charge target's a solid one. It's mostly problematic from those that could roll 3D6 that it has to be brought up, around here anyway.
One that has been frustrating to correct recently: Moving one model of an infantry unit in regards to Heavy Weapons & Bolter Discipline.
"Subtract 1 from hit rolls if firing model is INFANTRY and its *unit* has moved this turn."
"The shooting model is INFANTRY (excluding CENTURION models) and its *unit* Remained Stationary in your previous Movement phase."
Emphasis on "unit". Wouldn't bother me if it was newer players, but it's been this way forever and experienced players are borkin' It up.
This video is good. Here's my comment to feed the 'engagement' algorithm
a classy opening water drink. Hydration nation
Hydrate or Die-drate. Stay strong, Hydro-Homie.
Not saying it's vodka, just saying we don't know it's NOT vodka.
Can confirm no1 understands that fight order, myself included.
Great Video, i would love for you to do one on "extra attacks" from weapons as this seems to be one that gets asked alot on the FB 40k pages i follow.
Can I ask you a question - so I’ll use my example a hive tyrant and a swarm lord charge into a unit of 5 marines ( the plan was the swarm lord could of moved 3 inch into another unit and I was going to use the new stratagem to move the hive tyrant upto 6inch into another combat it was to render his tanks with a stay in combat or fall back scenario) but the marines were Congo lined straight line screen my swarm lord attacks first charging unit kills 4 - he removes 4 models that leaves my hive tyrant out of combat even if he moved his 3 inches I still wouldn’t make it into engagement range is it correct that the hive tyrant even though I won combat then can’t move any inches as he isn’t in combat, neither the 3 or 6 through the strat?
So forgive me if this is a stupid question but does the passive player always go first after a charge or only when the fight first rule is in play? Also if a model has fight first but then gets a fight last buff does it then go to normal order?
Also Psychic Actions are complete as soon as the Psychic Test is passed and not denied... therefore the unit can still shoot and charge after :)
yex exactly!
Great tips thanks for the clarity of rerolling exploding vehicles. Think I've tried that more than once.
Thanks!
Been playing since 6th edition, I am so stoked for thousand sons Legion. Just sad that my 6th edition sons banner man is not a unit anymore. Same with my Doomrider for saleenesh. I am just making him a bike lord or unit leader. So sad.
"One thing you will notice you cannot do is reroll Morale tests".
*Laughs in VERY USEFUL Word Bearers Legion Trait*
My Tsons would like to have a word
Can you cover other rules like how to climb terrain.
I have a whole terrain video!
Regarding charge range. It says that you can only charge if target is within 12" (similar with heroic intervention only within 3"). Is that linear distance? As in, maybe my charge path has to go more than 12", but point to point I'm only 11" away.
Yeah linear distance. If there's there's obstacle you'd have to go around, you can technically declare a charge but be impossible to make
Thank you for your vids. Maybe you can help me. Can an infantry unit charge through a wall (terrain with breachable rule) ? Base rules said that you can not charge through terrain but can climb them. But breachabke said you can move through such terrain if you are infantry. Thank you for your help.
Yes. If the ruin is breathable, you can charge through it. Super important strategy for avoiding overwatch
Nice video, but I got one question: When my opponent has a unit and a character close by, can I allocate some of my shots onto the character in hope that i do kill the unit and therefore be able to take the shots at the character afterwards?
No
those 1000 Sons look great!
Can you perform a psychic action while engaged like you can psychic abilities?
Yes
Can you cover how Dense Terrain is interacted with depending on the 2 types of terrain (obstacle or area).
Many times I hear people say that if they are within 3" of area terrain that is Dense, they won't suffer the penalty. I believe that you must be within the area terrain feature to not suffer the penalty from it. It is obstacle terrain that you can be within 3" of because you cannot be within Obstacle terrain.
I actually have a whole video on terrain! And I believe your line of thought is correct based on what i remember r
I don't play 40k, but my little brother does and he's been asking me for tips thanks to you. I don't know how much longer I can hold out on you as my source...
Also, damn dude. You clean up nicely!
Never let him know.
Tsons look great!
Great videos! I always thought only psykers can deny psykic actions? Example chaplin grimaldus can attempt to deny like he were a psyker. But he does not have psyker in his keywords dataslate. Rulebook says opponent can than select one of their psykic units to deny that action. Id loce to know your thoughts!
I do not remember the words, but a phsykic action is not a pshykic power so my guess is you cannot deny them with a "like a phsykic" model.
You can deny psychic actions
Regarding fight first/last, does the revolting stench-vat just ignore the FAQ as its wording makes it seem like an uber fight last?
Is that the foul blight spawn? I know the Sandman just made a video on that!
@@danielbrewster8642 Yeah thats the one. Friend always uses it as Ferrymen, so 12" you cant play the game if youre a CC army.
Ill check it out, cheers.
What is a battlefield edge? Is it were the deployment zone meets the edge of the table?
one side of the rectangle
Thanks! What happens when these stack… an enemy unit has “fight first” relic/ability but you cast a “fights last” spell onto them, then you subsequently charge them with multiple units, when does the enemy model with both of those stacked get to fight ?
If it has a fight first and fight last, they fight normally. So all the charging models would fight first.
@@danielbrewster8642 legend
Dude your videos are so great. Thanks for what you do.
Glad you like them!
Thank you for the rundown! I hate how they got rid of Initiative and added this convoluted Fight phase system, and I wish they'd drop it and add Initiative back into the game in the next edition.
Agreed. The current system is really counterintuitive. Because fights last is more powerful than fights first, armies that should, thematically, have a good chance of striking before their opponents (Emperor's Children, Eldar etc) actually tend to do the opposite. Not only that, but I am fairly sure they removed stats like initiative to simplify the stat block - but the current system is actually harder to understand.
Rip 7th edition warhammer fantasy battles
@@samhunter1205 too true man. Initiative was very easy to understand, and still allowed for rules that gave melee units the upper hand.
Why couldn't you reroll the mortal wounds dealt by an explosion? Does that not count as a damage roll?
it does not. You also cant reroll the dmg of smite for the same reason
@@danielbrewster8642 Thanks for the clarification. Another thing that confused me - is your graphic for strategic reserves on turn 3 wrong? I thought in turn 3 you'd be able to deploy in your opponent's deployment zone, just not from their battlefield edge, but your graphic suggests you can deploy from their edge but not in their deployment zone.
@@Fenrakk101 very possible I messed them up. Should be what you said
It might be funny to call you a useless hack, but the truth is this videos is really useful. I’m a new 40K player and I find your videos to be very helpful in understanding the game and becoming better at playing it.
Glad you found it useful!
I think the title would have better read:
“Seven common mistakes..” as opposed to “Seven MOST common mistakes…”
It’s less catchy, but more accurate. Either way, it doesn’t make you a hack lol
Keep up the good work!
Need them clicks!
Thanks for showing us your recently-painted TS army. Looks great! :)
Thanks. Want to at least compete for best painted at some small fish tournaments
Clean and concise sir. Thank you!
thanks -- minor mistake on the fight phase part but i corrected it
I clicked this video for that mustache and was left wanting
Rest in peace
Can you CP reroll a supercharged plasma roll of 1?
Yes
yes, as its a Hit roll, so its a specifically a allowed roll.
In theory I know most of this stuff, but in the middle of a game, when you have so many other things to think about it is easy to forget. That is why I like videos like this one - I figure the more I hear it the better the chance of this stuff becoming second nature.
Repetition is the key to memory!
Does anyone know which specific FAQ he's referring to when talking about the fight order rule?
Not an FAQ it's a designers note. Google fights first designers note.
@@danielbrewster8642 wow thank you! this came up with my friend the other day.
The White Scars stratagem is 3d6 charge, discard lowest
Good point!
As a new 40k player, there are many rules I get wrong. As you said in the beginning, the game is way overcomplicated. Here are some examples.
The Casual ruleset bloat. References to Power Levels and Battle-forged armies are just confusing. It took a while before I realized that if you want to play the way everyone does, all armies are always battle-forged and power levels can be completely ignored (with at least one exception).
Tournament rules. I have no idea why it was necessary to take some of the basic rules and put them in a separate rulebook. Possibly so that they can change over time. Which basic rules do as well, with FAQs.
The Assault doctrine doesn't buff Assault weapons. Jesus, take the wheel.
Everything about terrain, cover, elevation, and line of sight. Sometimes a piece of terrain completely blocks line of sight, but sometimes you can see through it if you have true LoS. Sometimes you need to see the model, other times you need to see the base. Sometimes you need to measure vertical distance, other times things are infinitely high cylinders. Sometimes cover gives a penalty to the to-hit roll, other times it gives a bonus to the armor save roll.
All about that GW book money!
You gotta add some lighting in front of you man, that alone would up production quality
Just moved into a new apartment less than a week ago ;( definitely love the advice though, I've got a lot of purchases to make an making this "studio" better is on the list!
@@danielbrewster8642 This was your first video I've seen of you tbh, so had no idea things were that up in the air. The content was great though
Easy way to fix 90% of all problems with rules without simplyfie the game in a hurtfull way -> return to 2. edition, no matter how desperatly GW needs money xDD
Yeah there were problems too, but they was quite easy to solve, and can at least claim to not be a problem, created to fix the very same problem we had in the last edition.
In regards to rule 1, can you speculativy shoot?
No
Nope. A vehicle in combat can declare weapons outside of combat that will auto fail if the unit it's in combat with doesn't die
Number 1) Not hiring a legal team
Thanks for making this video - In matched play do models left in Deep Strike really count as destroyed after Turn 3? For example - I cannot deploy a Scion squad via Aerial Drop during T4 or T5 to retrieve data? I specifically see Strategic Reserves being called out but nothing about a model's ability.
Sadly of you're playing GT rules then yes, they would die. The only caveat is if they go into deep strike during the mission
Those TSons really DO like nice, friend.
Thanks, boss
If a charging unit is selected to fight last, who goes first? The charging unit or the charged unit?
The charging fight first unit is dropped to the middle bracket in the description meaning the defending player (charged unit) would be able to be selected first
Like connor said, they move to the "fights normally" bracket, in which the defending player gets 1st pick.
Connor is right
@@danielbrewster8642 is the "fight after all other units have fought" the same as "fights last?" Or is that different? I've had people say because is worded different and doesn't say "fights last" that it means no matter what that unit can't fight until everything else has fought
@@829Milk all the same
can you not re roll an exploding vehicle damage roll bc it's not a weapon damage roll? not sure I understand that part. Is it not considered a damage roll as listed in the command re roll allowance?
Does this mean the same when rolling damage on a Smite? If you could clarify that would really be appreciated, thank you :)
My interpretation comes from the core rule book on "making attacks" Each part of the attack has a step from hit, wound, save, and finally damage. The MW from a smite or explosion are not a "damage roll" although they deal damage.
I play thousand sons (so I would LOVE to be able to re-roll MWs from smite) but I don't think you can. There's no damage characteristic of a mortal wound, certain things just do a variable number of mortal wounds that are then taken as individual points of damage.
And, if it makes you trust me any more, Goonhammer rules writers also say no to smite dmg rerolls
On one hand, Command Reroll determines specificaly which rolls can be rerolled. Vehicle explosion is a separate type of roll, so by that logic it cannot be rerolled, right? But then why do we have "Sabotaged Armory" Alpha Legion stratagem, which specifically says "add 3 to Vehicle explosion roll; it cannot be rerolled"?
I lost a tournament game because I couldn't find the rule that said reserves can't come in turn 1 and the judge didn't know the rules.
Rough haha. T1 deep strike was hotfixed back in 8th because it was so OP
Rule about the Strategic reserve turn 3 doesnt seem to be correct. The picture shows that you can deploy on the enemys battlefield edge and not the deployment zone. But the rules are the other way around.
I'll look into it! Thanks
@@danielbrewster8642 Otherwise a great video. Often things I mysef have run in to.
When measuring a charge to a unit 1" behind an barricade, do you measure to the unit or the barricade ?
Sadly unit has to be within 12 regardless of terrain rules
@@danielbrewster8642 So you measure to the unit to make sure its within 12"...and then measure to the barricade for the charge distance ? Not a lot of tournaments use barricades, but casual players tend to use them much more.
@@zellak-pr7pu measure 12 inches to the unit, then you have an attack range of 2 inches if you're within 1 of a barricade. Only need to make it to the barricade to count as getting a successful charge
@@danielbrewster8642 The attacker must be within 2" of the defending model. So if you are 1" from the barricade and the barricade is more than 1" wide then a charge is illegal ?
@@zellak-pr7pu yes, sorry edited previous comment. that would be a failed charge since you didnt make it into combat.
I find terrain rules are the most are the common mistakes/misinterpreted. I.e light cover while shooting still getting it if your in the same terrain. As opposed to dense.
Fair! I already have a video on terrain :)
Can also complete action if you are charged.
This is true
The fighting order is a mess :S
bring back initiative?
Dear Daniel, I love your content but please please please, you need to adjust your Microphone. Often your videos are very very quiet, like this one
Sorry! I'll work on it
Why are you in a different location every time its so trippy 😂
Only sad reasons
Well, I really wanted to dislike this video, but learned way too much! Thanks for the knowledge!
Lol why
@@danielbrewster8642 ha ha! I hoped I knew all the rules, and could then smugly "thumbs down"... but I learned a few rules! Thanks for what you do!
i suggest getting better lighting, cheap to improve ur videos
good stuff!
thanks!
Petition to rename "active" and "passive" players to "dom" and "sub."
Done
Fight order rules are dumb, if this many people have issues with them then it is a bad rule.
Wouldnt mind it going back to Initiative Stats. Seems kind of silly that guardsman squad would attack first when charging a unit of say, sanguinary guard or other close combat specialists