Ian, you forgot the most important "improvement" to the Elbonian military's logistics. All the weapons and the cartridges are adopted in 1945, and so they will all be designated "M1945". It's against policy to place any further markings on crates of ammo or parts beyond their official model designation. To simplify your logistics, all crates will be the same dimensions, regardless of their contents. Just imagine the fun of trying to sort out that mess with every single shipment.
truely diabolical! Of course for maximum compatibility those containers should share the dimensions of both the standard bulk container for oil/coolant/transmission fluids and the like, the standard gasoline can, and the squad-level water container. that way you can use only one kind of specialized forklift!
@@BleedingUranium They didn't start with M#, they started with the class, then the caliber, then the model number. The M1 Garand is officially "US Rifle, Caliber 30, M1", the M1 Carbine is "US Carbine, Caliber .30, M1", the Thompson was "Thompson Submachine Gun, Caliber .45, M1", etc. Even today, the M16 is still officially "Rifle, Caliber 5.56mm, M16" though the "Rifle" is often left off the gun's marks these days.
@@dangerszewski9816 of course! But you must also have only one kind of forklift, for efficiency. This means that the forklift must be able to operate in any environment, even under fire. It will weigh no less than 40 tons, be armoured against the Jagdtiger on the front slope, and be so expensive that only 1 can be allocated per facility or battalion. No mirrors or lights are allowed for driving as that could give away its position to the enemy.
I can just imagine Ian going "Dear senators and ministers, the semi-auto is only half automatic, while the Schnellfeuer is full automatic. Are we a half country, or do we go for the full option? Are we a half nation, ladies and gentlemen!?" Elbonian Senate: *roars of approval for the Schnellfeuer*
The Elbonian Army rises to the challenge! Local factories begin emergency manufacture of proprietary Swiss parts and ammunition in secret. Armourers paint the .30 cartridges to distinguish them or create revolutionary jigs to make them usable in the wrong guns. Brave Elbonian men train on the ZB53 until they develop absurd muscles and can sling them over one shoulder. Brave Elbonian women use overheated BAR barrels in hand to hand against the hated foe. The invasion is a total disaster and Procurement Minister Ian Traitorius-AbsurdlySinistus is hailed as a hero and a father to his country. 50 years later, Ian McCullum does a video series in the Elbonian Military Archives and notes those guns look unwieldy now but in action they were superb - and wait until you see their 70s flechette and gyrojet section...
Since the Elbonian machinegun is so heavy, it stands to reason that their rifle should be as light and handy as possible. The clear choice is an 8x63mm Obrez.
Nothing quite like chambering a round and having the tip poke out of the barrel. Not to mention, any gun that seconds as a flashbang grenade is a bit troubling x.X
The modern Elbonian army loadout: pistol - Zip 22 rifle - Zip 22 carbine SMG- American 180 - but the semi auto version MG: a tripod mounted American 180 with the 180 round mags
Actually, what about American 180 as standard rifle? Full auto only, of course. Accuracy might suck but surely a few of the bullets will hit... but the army loses because of the logistical nightmare of supplying so many fucking .22s.
@@jamespfp Well, the weapon worked pretty well in real life, just for different roles and in a sane caliber. The British made excellent use of it in their tanks (as the BESA) and it was also well suited for its original role as fortification armament.
That's not dissimilar to the near-endless variety of Spanish .32s the French issued in WWI. There was so little consistency that often you couldn't even interchange magazines between pistols supposedly of the same model from the same manufacturer.
Don't forget to zero the sights for the standard spec ammo and then change the issued ammo. When their guns do work, they won't hit anything. It'll be Vietnam and WWI all at once
@@allangibson8494 Heck. Assume close combat will be the norm, so specify that the bayonet must always be mounted. Then for extra long-range accuracy, since the bayonet will always be there, mount the front side on the bayonet band, since it will give you an extra couple of inches of sight baseline. Or use a left-side mounted bayonet (instead of underslung) and use the top of the bayonet as the front sight, and hard mount the rear sight with a 1" left offset from the barrel centerline to match the offset front sight. For extra points you can also issue rifle scabbards to mounted troops.
Keith Hearn Or follow the British with the Lee Metford and just use the ballistic table for the entirely wrong ammunition to cut the tangent sight... One reason the British in the Boer War couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 400 yards. (They fixed it in time for WW1).
A fun story about early computer translations that my Dad told me Sometime after the fall of the USSR, American and Russian nuclear scientists ended up having a meeting and working on a project together. They had a computer that was doing the translations and it was working fairly well, Until the Russian's started talking about Water Goats. After much confusion it was realized that the computer directly translated hydraulic rams and didn't quite get the context difference between liquids and livestock... Dad was an analytical chemist at a government nuclear lab, but there is a 50/50 chance this is a story along the lines of the Nasa Chicken cannon joke, with a nuclear modification...
@@DirkdeJager73 It's become a running joke in the industry and filmmakers make it a point to use the Wilhelm scream in every movie, if at all possible. (I'm sure there is some rom-com where they just couldn't use it)
If you watch old B&W Western movies they seem to re-use the same three ricochet sounds shamelessly. I have no more idea where they originated than Ian does, probably some legendary "forgotten" Hollywood sound person.
I dont often watch Q&A's from TH-cam Channels, or in general, because the questions can be a bit too complicated, or the answers can be too complicated and not well thought out, but now watching my 1st Forgotten Weapons Q&A, i was surprised how nicely both the questions and answers were laid out, especially for a person like me, who has no real knowledge of firearms or firearms legislation. Might have to go and watch some of the previous Q&As now.
Happened to me today. I've watched so many of Ian's gun videos but finally watched a q&a and I find it so interesting and full of a vast array of firearm and military information
After learning about why French 7.5 went from 57mm to 54mm on this channel, here is my alternative suggestion for the Elbonian army: Elbonian Rifle is a BAR in .270 Winchester Elbonian LMG is a BAR in .30-06 Per German doctrine the infantry will carry a few extra magazines for the squad machine gun on them. Say 3 magazines for themselves and 3 for the machine gun.
To add to the final question The Tides of fortune have changed Elbonian Military having discovered your treachery in a moment of, uncharacteristic, kindness given you a single chance to salvage the military's effectiveness, But the arms have already been purchased and the nation doesn't have the funds to purchase an all new armory. What would you do to salvage what you could from the weapons given, and how would you try to optimize their use?
I guess you could come up with loads of spins on that scenario. Like which guns to "accidentally" leave in an unguarded depot in a guerrilla war? Or a small army supply agreement in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Or which gun to use in a scenario like Operation Fast and Furious (it'll be Street Sweepers, Terminators and Judges, right?). Or whicht "top secret" weapons developments to feed to a double agent. I think we should try and get one question along those lines into every Q&A from now on.
SMG: Schnellfeuer with some kind of permanent, folding skeleton stock. Pistol: Schnellfeuer. Rifle: Schnellfeuer with a fixed stock and a very long barrel. LMG: Schnellfeuer with no stock, very long barrel, detachable magazines and some kind of bipod loosely affixed to said barrel. Also all 4 must be in different, but very similar, cartridges.
30 M1 ball was also a lot more impressive than the later M2. 174 gr boat tail @ 2650 fps. _supersonic well past 1000 yards_ M2 was developed because the M1 exceeded the safe range limits of American training facilities. Concern over stray bullets, essentially. It’s ironic that we celebrate 1000+ yard calibers, but here we have a much lighter cartridge than .338 for high volume machinegun fire... ...in the hands of infantry with the Garand and full auto BAR Nowadays we would be fitting those long-actions with something like .300 PRC I suppose.
Was out building fence and a bullet went wizzing by. Some one was shooting somthing in the middle of no ware and i gess i was down range. Made sher i wasnt on top of the hill after that
@@jarroddraper5140 I was keeping rabbits off of a farmers crops in the west of Scotland. Was using an air rifle, so it wasn't exactly loud to begin with. (British gun laws precluded anything bigger, farmers can get shotguns when they need, but this was not one of those times. In any case anything bigger than a pellet risks rupturing the bunny innards and ruining the meat). Instead of the "PRFT" I expect it must have hit a rock or something, there was this almighty PuTAaAaAaAaNNNNNGG like you hear in Westerns.
First time I heard a ricochet with a suppressed .22lr (where I could clearly hear the noise) all I could think was "well damn, that ISN'T just Hollywood BS"
MY friend and I were shooting a piece of plywood from his back porch with my bb gun (it was the 80's one that looks like an M-16 with a shotgun receiver). We were loading pellets and hit it and got that exact sound. Then our goal was to get that sound every time, no worries about bullseyes.
@@TheRealColBosch “ I picked 10mm since it wasn't popular, had been tested by the FBI at one point (and it was too much for agents to handle), but it was basically a gun nut (which I am one) kind of round. .45 might have made more sense, but I was looking for something with a little twist.” - Chris Taylor, lead designer of Fallout.
@@maitele Using a full auto two-shot legendary 10mm pistol with a suppressor right now. That bad boy cuts through Raiders and the like instantly. And it's suppressed so I clear out places by just hiding in corners and picking them off one by one.
DonPatrono Well, that’s not entirely true either, I’ve seen “tacticool” stocks for SKS, M1 Carbines, M1 Garands, etc, so it becomes even more convoluted, with people taking old military rifles, and putting civilian market parts on them, to make them look more in line with a modern military rifle.
true, but these days ,most stuff is screwed, so reversible, as long as parts are available. sporterized 40s and 50s military rifles had their wooden parts cut down or hacked away, barrels cut, stocks cut and so on. not reversible unless money is not a problem.
I meant in the sense that you take a generic gun and customize it for whatever specific need and interests you like. Let's be honest 75% of ar-15s that have been made "tactical" were made like that because that's what's in fashion. Take your gun, customize it, make it your own; do all the popular things to it (free float barrel, quad rail/mlok, red dot.) In the 50-60s the popular thing to do with your guns was to sporterize them with all the tech and fashion of that period. I known technically tacticool is military themed, and sporterized is hunting themed, but that's pretty much what they are; popular gun culture themes.
Tell the supplier convert the BAR to semi-auto for more controllable fire, get a home manifacturer to add bump stocks to regain suppressive effect. Tell the armorers to glue the stocks in place to conserve ammo. Tell the generals to have shoelaces tied around the charging handles and triggers, make all the seargents confiscate all shoelaces pre-emptively. Tell all the privates to bump fire anyways.
@@scoreboredgaming You forget to issue at least 2 second liutenants t each seargent oh and give them radio sets...i mead shoulder portable radio sets, not walki talkies. Ian forgot to issue handgrenades, lets give them the german 1938 ones, one per soldier (did i mention, that german army noted the weakness of that thin, espacialy if not used in numbers?) but of course we don´t want to make our soldiers carry horeses right? What about rifle grenades, nahhh, get everyone an not detachable rifle grenade cup, but dont issue rifle grenades. Oh very important, we NEED bayonets, i hope we can get those impressive french ones...maybe we can lengthen them a little t oget the riffle in even better ofbalance. What did we forget?
My Dad bought a sportized Argentine Mauser mail order from Montgomery Ward for $19.95 and used for deer hunting for the next 30 years. I still have it.
56:48 Ooh! Ooh! Then, in the '80s they can acquire a bunch of Chinese Type 80s in 7.62x25mm Tokarev, while still having lots of Mauser M712s in inventory! That will really mess them up! Exploding Mausers everywhere! Not to mention the bonus of parts that look similar, but probably aren't completely interchangeable.
Elbonian loadout for sabotage: Primary rifle: IO AK-47 Sidearm: Zip-22 Sub machine gun: FMG9 will get adopted but the troops will somehow never receive them. LMG: IO AK-47 full auto, with a drum with a bipod. Precision Rifle: obrez Mosin with an Amazon optic
For anyone interested int the sound effect question a really easy way to get it is to simply set up a mic behind a shield and ricochet a .22 off the ground near it, you get a really very good sound. Apparently subsonic ammo is better for it! Many early ricochet sounds were also used by shooting pennies, washers, etc out of a slingshot at certain surfaces. I know that one of the recordings in Errol Flyn's Dodge City made its way around a lot. For the cartoon sound ricochet effect it was a bit different, I think a spring was involved, I can't tell you how it was made exactly but I can tell you it originated in 1939 in an mgm flick.
I actually had a .177 bb do that the other day out of my air rifle lol. It's the first time I've had a bb do it that I can remember, but I've also had 38 special do it before. On a side note here's a dumb joke: What do you call a bulletproof Irishman? Rick O'Shea
I Didnt know about the mas 35 pistol, googled it immediately. So happy to see a forgotten weapons video come up first in the ALL results page, always the best source for quality history, pictures, and an all around good time, thank you Sir!
I still remember the one where they talk about how tough the Elbonian people are. One takes a nuke to the head (it didn't go off) and the other one hands him a bottle and tells him to "Nupe it".
I think a fun anecdote that highlights Ian's point about the sporterized rifles is that in the movie Dirty Harry, the Scorpio Killer uses a sporterized version of a paratrooper takedown Arisaka, a scarce and valuable rifle in today's market, but back then it was a perfectly fine candidate for such a conversion.
Semi auto, full electric bullets are easy. Just make the trigger a piezo generator. Like an electronic lighter. No batteries required, takes an eon to wear out, and single pulse per pull.
It would still be super easy to replace the piezo with a simple circuit to pulse a firing signal at whatever rate of fire you want, thus being easily made into a machine gun. ATF would never allow it.
Back in the '80s, I found a shop that had five crates full of SKS's with kits. I asked about them the shop owner said 70.00 each. I walked out with four and a case of surplus ammo. I sported two gave one to my dad and kept one bone stock. Within 150 yards, they are good tools.
Man this place is a rarity, a community that asks interesting and involved questions and a guy who can choose the best of the and keep the answers engaging enough to make a guy sit and listen to someone talk for an hour straight. I should add, about a topic I have little interest in outside this channel, Ian just makes this stuff that interesting.
Regarding the electrically primed ammo Ian did a Forgotten Weapons video on the Remington EtronX. A bolt action hunting rifle that used electrically primed ammo. It has been done, but it's now a forgotten weapon.
Elbonia is well and truly EFFED. I'm home today with sharp stabbing back pain, and laughing at the Elbonian ordnance sabotage effort has my back yet worse... but it hurts so good. Thanks Ian!
In 2007 Century was selling Beretta 92S pistols surplus from Italy for $240. To make a 92S magazines from a 92F magazines I had to mill out a new retainer slot. The mag is so hard, carbide tooling was required.
I wonder what the square-cube-law would do to a cartidge. Doubling the linear dimensions should give you eight times the powder and bullet mass, but only four times the bullet cross section (and drag). Maybe you could sell it as anti-materiel rifle and talk up the saving in training, as it and the light machine gun are identical, except for dimensions. And then add Russian KPV heavy machineguns in 14.5x114mm to the mix in the early '50s and cause additional confusion with the doubled in size .30-06 (7.62x63mm), which I imagine would be close enough in size to not spot right away.
The crossover of Ian talking about Isla whisky makes me very happy :) Especially when accompanied by a silk smoking jacket and liquor cabinet globe! A man of refined tastes.
Far from bored, working in a critical job, adding Ham radios and lighting on my jeep, with a multi battery addition to power them, completing a wood shop, and closing in a car port, while hand loading and bullet casting, as well as spring gardening and lawn maintenance, and it is spring bear season BUT there is still time to listen to your material IAN, your just that good.
I can field the question about the ricochet sound. There were a set of records in blue sleeves that were produced in the 40's that were just filled with sound effects intended for Hollywood productions. Because they were early and ubiquitous, the sounds themselves became iconic especially among people who work with them everyday in the industry. As a result, As the technology progressed and improved versions could produced, people eschewed the idea and instead opted to preserve the original sounds and being public domain, almost all sound effect machines and programs contain at least some selection of sounds that first appeared on the blue records released over 80 years ago. These very special, long venerated, and tremendously culturally important records had the amazingly imaginative and descriptive name of "Sound Effects! Vol. #x". Thanks for the question!
That is true almost all the time. The negative is something like testing a battery with your tongue. More power is most likely bad because of death but if it was stooooopid more power and made one evaporate instantly thus causing no sensations at all then that is more good.
So, for 10mm, while I am personally a big fan, most of what you say is absolutely true. A 10mm won't ever replace my USP9c, but out here in Montana there's a niche reason for it - bears. I just recently got the opportunity to shoot an older Para 6" 10mm 1911, and it's honestly a lovely cartridge to shoot (again, I like .44 magnum a lot, so grain of salt and whatnot). The platform issue really hinders capacity, which is the point of choosing a 10mm over any other bear pistol imo, and the one I would go with would be a Tanfoglio CZ copy in 10mm. Capacity, weight, and a nice trigger with easily replaceable recoil springs makes it an exceptional option that most don't know about.
It's not just you. 10mm is pleasant to shoot with a 1911 platform gun. I cannot say the same for the S&W 1006, which seems designed to maximize barrel-flip. I've always suspected the 10X6 ergonomics contributed to 10mm's quick replacement by 40 S&W. That said, woods carry and hunting really are the only practical uses of 10mm.
To my knowledge 10mm is in military use on place only: The Royal Danish Navy Dog sledge Patrol "Sirius" in Northeast Greenland. The standard weaponry of a two-man patrol are US M1917 30-06 rifles and Glock 40 10mm pistols. Btw this makes the M1917 one of the few guns to have served for more than a 100 years.
Taurus Judge has a very specific and useful purpose. I think they are the most hilarious firearm I have ever seen and everyone needs a good laugh every once in a while.
Thank you for answering my question about the MIL Thunder Five, those were my thoughts exactly. Trying to source the conversion sleeves and the 45/70 version currently. Unfortunately the last example of 45/70 went for over $1,500... and the conversion sleeves are very rare. Once again thank you for answering my question, I love my example of the Thunder Five because I got it for $300 and it’s great for the memes!!
Devin Cook they had metal conversion sleeves for the cylinders, don’t know if sleeve is the best term but I think they offered it in 9mm amongst other calibers
I grew up in the US and spent time in Oz. Its amazing how many people in Australia come unglued when you mentions shooting something like a king brown or even just paraphrase John Williamson "in the company of the king brown keep the shotgun loaded".
They’re convenient for small game up here in Canada when you’re out on the land. Up in the woods checking small game traps - hare, marten, whatever - you probably aren’t going to be taking too long shots, and the small size is fine for anything you’re likely to see, and the bang will scare off most things that are too big. That and .22LR are common for that kind of thing. Blasting a grouse you’d prefer to have in condition for a pot of soup into a cloud of feathers with a load of 12-ga birdshot isn’t great, eh?
Hi Ian, I’ve directed movies with many featured firearms like “Behind Enemy Lines”, “Max Payne” (which had a Taurus Judge!) and “A Good Day to Die Hard”. I find your work invaluable and would hope someday to be able to ask you to consult as do many directors who know their stuff: you are held in very high esteem my friend, best wishes, John Moore
3:44 The P90 magazine is an interesting example. Not necessary to go to that level of R&D on a magazine, but it shows that when you it works. Experimental in many ways too (Carts rotating 90 degrees in mag, using a new cartridge, polymer, bullpup smg/pdw).
I can't exactly put my finger on why, but this was one of the most enjoyable Q&As in a while. Not that they've been bad recently, but this one just seemed to have a critical mass of interesting questions.
I have the same thoughts on electronic firearms. I think the reliability concerns are just as unfounded as would be anyone thinking a carburator would be better than electronic injection. Here's some other possible beneftis: - Semi-auto rifles being just as accurate and not much more complex than manual bolt action ones, because you can cycle the action after the projectile has left the barrel instead of using the mechanical force of the bullet to do it - Obstruction detection - not firing if the barrel is obstructed - Ammo counter - You can put the trigger anywhere you want, so issues with bullpup triggers disappear - You can also put the electronics anywhere you want, making manufacture and design easier than equivalent mechanical control parts, plus making it easy to replace it on the fly if anything goes wrong
I read a series of books called Re-Search and they interviewed the author William S Burroughs and they were discussing survivalism and guns with him. He mentioned the Thunder 5 as being a neat concept, go figure.
No, no, he got a point. See, if you have a buddy, and you give him a Thunder 5, if you ever get attacked by a grizzly, he'll be the one to piss it off by throwing pellets at it. Then, while he's getting mauled, you can run away safely! Brilliant.
It is a neat concept. That's why they sell so many Judges. It's only once you actually test out it's effectiveness (or just think about it for a while) that you realize it's pretty worthless.
Actually, if we're talking about a post-apocalyptic type scenario, a handgun that handles both what must be the second or third most popular shotgun cartridge and a fairly popular revolver/levergun cartridge is not a terrible idea.
Hi Ian, I live in a small city here in North Carolina. And it is the Sister City to Oban Scotland !! Some of the folks down here, took a trip to Oban. And a few went on a "whisky trawl " while they were in Oban ! They visited several distillery's, and sampled lot's of whisky !! From some of the best single malts on down !! As best as they could remember they tried 35 types, everything was a little fuzzy by then....hic..... !! lol This is a great channel !!
The "guy falling off the building when he gets shot" is known as the Wilhelm Scream. Ben Burt from ILM/Skywalker Sound got it from an old Westen movie where an actor named Wilhelm was playing a cowboy and got hit with an arrow. That scream was used in a few other movies but Ben Burt put it in Star Wars: A New Hope and every movie he did sound effects for with ILM and Skywalker Sound. Other sound engineers started using it and it became a tradition. Ben Burt retired a couple of years ago and a lot of sound engineers decided to retire the Wilhelm Scream along with Burt. As for the ricochet sound effect, it's so common, who knows?
10mm is an outdoorsman's pistol, not for anti-personel. It's also hard on pistols. If you shoot it in a 1911 get a Springco buffer SYSTEM or you will kill it with enough full power ammo.
The Third Pin I was 16 and I had been hunting White Tail for 5 years. Small game since I can’t remember. Things weren’t like now. I was on hi school rifle team. Carried my gun into the school and coach( history teacher) sold us the ammo which local USMC reserves provided.
The closing question was really-really fun. Now that's a fun and interesting question to tinker with. Great Q&A as always. And mail pause was also fun. :)
"Aromatic" smoke.... I remember a recent Whiskey Tribe video where a guest referred to Ardbeg as "Smells like feet" and was afraid to drink it... made a bunch of faces after taking a drink... and then decided she loved it and said it was meaty, like she'd just eaten a ham.
@@o00nemesis00o : It's inherited from Europe. Merchants have often been hated for the same reason as bankers, "they don't make anything, they just leech off other people's work!" Many accurate things can be said in reaction, often boiling down to "then do what they do yourself", but people who complain about things are rarely interested in honesty as much as self-indulgence.
No information about the firearm but if you are interested in the scream, it's called the Wilhelm Scream. Originally one of the sound effects from a 1951 movie called "Distant Drum," all of which were kept in Warner Brother's sound effects and used in other movies. The scream was in over 400 movies as of last count. It's named after Private Wilhelm, a character from the 1953 movie The Charge at Feather River. Probably not anything you are interested in but I found it interesting.
Nice plug for Mec-Gar. When I needed new magazines for my S&W 459 to meet newly imposed magazine restrictions, Mec-Gar was the only one company that made them. Their magazines were very well built, and function well. Like you said in response to the first question -- magazines function well when they are not cheap because they are well made.
I would argue that sporterizing never went away. It just evolved. Poor little AKMs are being made "tactical" every day... As for the Elbonians, make them steampunk with a massive automatic revolver like the Webley-Fosberry, in a proprietary .45" cartridge, a Suomi style SMG that weighs 8 pounds, in a rimless version of the same cartridge, and a straight-pull bolt-action that's four and a half feet long, in something vaguely akin to 45-70 but with a spitzer bullet. As for machine guns, the standard MG should be a variant of the Browning 1919A6, but massively overbuilt to fire the .45 Elbonian cartridge, essentially an M2 with a stock, whereas the LMG should be the belt-fed, water-cooled Hellreigel, firing the rimmed Elbonian pistol cartridge. It'll probably need an oil reservoir while you're at it. And all three ammo types should be referred to as .45 Elbonian. Oh, and make sure that all ceremonial guards and parade units are equipped with fancy special-order single shot bolt-action rifles that will chamber the standard rifle cartridge, but will explode and launch their 17-inch bayonets directly at the king if you actually try to fire the damn thing. Praise to the Elbonian Liberation Front! "Don't sit on the Shelf, become an ELF!"
Give .45 Elbonian to exactly 1/2 of the battalion with matching auto revolvers. Then neck down the cartridge to .32, but mark it .45 Elbonian. Give the other half this necked down cartridge with matching auto revolvers. They look identical other than the barrel that has been milled in two different sizes in two nearly identical orders.
Ian, you forgot the most important "improvement" to the Elbonian military's logistics. All the weapons and the cartridges are adopted in 1945, and so they will all be designated "M1945". It's against policy to place any further markings on crates of ammo or parts beyond their official model designation. To simplify your logistics, all crates will be the same dimensions, regardless of their contents. Just imagine the fun of trying to sort out that mess with every single shipment.
That, or the "wonderful" American WWII system where every single thing that's in its own category starts with M1, then M2, etc.
truely diabolical! Of course for maximum compatibility those containers should share the dimensions of both the standard bulk container for oil/coolant/transmission fluids and the like, the standard gasoline can, and the squad-level water container. that way you can use only one kind of specialized forklift!
@@BleedingUranium They didn't start with M#, they started with the class, then the caliber, then the model number. The M1 Garand is officially "US Rifle, Caliber 30, M1", the M1 Carbine is "US Carbine, Caliber .30, M1", the Thompson was "Thompson Submachine Gun, Caliber .45, M1", etc. Even today, the M16 is still officially "Rifle, Caliber 5.56mm, M16" though the "Rifle" is often left off the gun's marks these days.
@@dangerszewski9816 of course! But you must also have only one kind of forklift, for efficiency. This means that the forklift must be able to operate in any environment, even under fire. It will weigh no less than 40 tons, be armoured against the Jagdtiger on the front slope, and be so expensive that only 1 can be allocated per facility or battalion. No mirrors or lights are allowed for driving as that could give away its position to the enemy.
*incoherent screaming from the quartermasters*
I can just imagine Ian going "Dear senators and ministers, the semi-auto is only half automatic, while the Schnellfeuer is full automatic. Are we a half country, or do we go for the full option? Are we a half nation, ladies and gentlemen!?"
Elbonian Senate: *roars of approval for the Schnellfeuer*
I read that in Groucho's voice and I loved it.
Thats alot of knowledge
The Elbonian Army rises to the challenge! Local factories begin emergency manufacture of proprietary Swiss parts and ammunition in secret. Armourers paint the .30 cartridges to distinguish them or create revolutionary jigs to make them usable in the wrong guns. Brave Elbonian men train on the ZB53 until they develop absurd muscles and can sling them over one shoulder. Brave Elbonian women use overheated BAR barrels in hand to hand against the hated foe. The invasion is a total disaster and Procurement Minister Ian Traitorius-AbsurdlySinistus is hailed as a hero and a father to his country. 50 years later, Ian McCullum does a video series in the Elbonian Military Archives and notes those guns look unwieldy now but in action they were superb - and wait until you see their 70s flechette and gyrojet section...
This is glorious
then they adopted the sa 80
Make this an alternate history movie and I would watch it all day long!
And a few years later the Elbonian Airforce gets some used AC130's that were 'mislaid' in Vietnam and goes on the offensive!
Long time since I had such a good laugh for a youtube comment, or any internet content really. Good job, sir.
Since the Elbonian machinegun is so heavy, it stands to reason that their rifle should be as light and handy as possible. The clear choice is an 8x63mm Obrez.
More useful for blinding yourself to avoid witnessing the horrors of war than anything else
*insert video of Karl firing an obrez*
I think my 8x68 schuler is the same weight as most of my 22’s
It sure moves a skeleton...
I now see why 8x63 was mentioned
8x61 and 8x68 were developed for civilian use in the 30’s due to the ban on “military ammunition”
Nothing quite like chambering a round and having the tip poke out of the barrel. Not to mention, any gun that seconds as a flashbang grenade is a bit troubling x.X
"I actually have two Chauchats"
Nice flex, Ian
even worse, he has two functional chauchats, truly bourgeoisie.
great spare parts supply
I never buy a surplus or out of production rifle if I can't buy two. It's called parts availability.
One for each hand!
@@Redchrome1 I LIKE YOUR WAY OF THINKING!!! You should be a General in the Great Elbonian army!
The modern Elbonian army loadout:
pistol - Zip 22
rifle - Zip 22 carbine
SMG- American 180 - but the semi auto version
MG: a tripod mounted American 180 with the 180 round mags
Actually, what about American 180 as standard rifle? Full auto only, of course. Accuracy might suck but surely a few of the bullets will hit...
but the army loses because of the logistical nightmare of supplying so many fucking .22s.
@@NXTangl no they cut corners and the troops have to force a stuck 22 out every 15 rounds
@@rrolf71 cqc specialist and breaching weapon?
@@rrolf71 Lady's Home Companions as tank crew guns.
@@dangerszewski9816 less survivability than a mosin
"I went with the Czech ZB-53, because it weighs approximately a billion tonnes"
The deadpan delivery of this line just killed me right on the spot
ie. the Deadpan delivery was many many times more effective than the weapon, itself!
@@jamespfp Well, the weapon worked pretty well in real life, just for different roles and in a sane caliber. The British made excellent use of it in their tanks (as the BESA) and it was also well suited for its original role as fortification armament.
Same
My version of the Elbonian Army would be equipped entirely with the Chinese Mystery Pistols that Ian likes so much.
That's not dissimilar to the near-endless variety of Spanish .32s the French issued in WWI. There was so little consistency that often you couldn't even interchange magazines between pistols supposedly of the same model from the same manufacturer.
Dont forget to add Khyber pass QA/QI
Rrolf that’s what I was going to say
I favor an arsenal of African poacher rifles myself
What if you armed them all with Taurus Judges and Circuit Judges? O.o
The Elbonian Supreme Court O.O
I never realized Ian was a Lord in Sealand
There's a sash that indicates Lordhood, but I don't normally wear it.
Didn't even know such a thing existed. Thanks.
Man living in the Arizona desert is a Lord of Sealand
Ah, as one fellow nobleman to another. Well met, good sir.
What a fabulously esoteric nik-nak that I never expected to see on Ian's shelf.
Wew
Glad you liked my question Ian, loved the answer! All hail mighty Elbonia!
Viva Las Elbonia!
Don't forget to zero the sights for the standard spec ammo and then change the issued ammo. When their guns do work, they won't hit anything. It'll be Vietnam and WWI all at once
Tell them all the guns are self cleaning and don't provide cleaning kits as well.
Or follow Russians and have the sights tuned for a fitted bayonet.
@@allangibson8494 Heck. Assume close combat will be the norm, so specify that the bayonet must always be mounted. Then for extra long-range accuracy, since the bayonet will always be there, mount the front side on the bayonet band, since it will give you an extra couple of inches of sight baseline.
Or use a left-side mounted bayonet (instead of underslung) and use the top of the bayonet as the front sight, and hard mount the rear sight with a 1" left offset from the barrel centerline to match the offset front sight. For extra points you can also issue rifle scabbards to mounted troops.
@@allangibson8494 And then issue a plug bayonet.
Keith Hearn Or follow the British with the Lee Metford and just use the ballistic table for the entirely wrong ammunition to cut the tangent sight... One reason the British in the Boer War couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn at 400 yards. (They fixed it in time for WW1).
A fun story about early computer translations that my Dad told me
Sometime after the fall of the USSR, American and Russian nuclear scientists ended up having a meeting and working on a project together.
They had a computer that was doing the translations and it was working fairly well, Until the Russian's started talking about Water Goats.
After much confusion it was realized that the computer directly translated hydraulic rams and didn't quite get the context difference between liquids and livestock...
Dad was an analytical chemist at a government nuclear lab, but there is a 50/50 chance this is a story along the lines of the Nasa Chicken cannon joke, with a nuclear modification...
For those wondering, "The sound of the guy falling off the balcony" is called the Wilhelm Scream.
Great video Ian.
The most (ab)used sound effect in Hollywood I believe: th-cam.com/video/cdbYsoEasio/w-d-xo.html
@@DirkdeJager73 It's become a running joke in the industry and filmmakers make it a point to use the Wilhelm scream in every movie, if at all possible.
(I'm sure there is some rom-com where they just couldn't use it)
@@MarvinCZ The joke has been industrialized now so it has become really tired, to the point I sigh every time I hear it.
@@MarvinCZ It was used in Buffy and Angel and any number of other rom-com/horror crossovers.
If you watch old B&W Western movies they seem to re-use the same three ricochet sounds shamelessly. I have no more idea where they originated than Ian does, probably some legendary "forgotten" Hollywood sound person.
I dont often watch Q&A's from TH-cam Channels, or in general, because the questions can be a bit too complicated, or the answers can be too complicated and not well thought out, but now watching my 1st Forgotten Weapons Q&A, i was surprised how nicely both the questions and answers were laid out, especially for a person like me, who has no real knowledge of firearms or firearms legislation.
Might have to go and watch some of the previous Q&As now.
I think it was Einstein who said you can explain it simply if you really understand it.
Happened to me today. I've watched so many of Ian's gun videos but finally watched a q&a and I find it so interesting and full of a vast array of firearm and military information
After learning about why French 7.5 went from 57mm to 54mm on this channel, here is my alternative suggestion for the Elbonian army:
Elbonian Rifle is a BAR in .270 Winchester
Elbonian LMG is a BAR in .30-06
Per German doctrine the infantry will carry a few extra magazines for the squad machine gun on them. Say 3 magazines for themselves and 3 for the machine gun.
That is just mean.
Not really German doctrine, as the British and French did the same thing.
Sadist. 😉
Sadist lol. Please let's just all use 30.06
@@brumby92 How about a scaled up 1911 pistol chambered for 30-06?
To add to the final question
The Tides of fortune have changed Elbonian Military having discovered your treachery in a moment of, uncharacteristic, kindness given you a single chance to salvage the military's effectiveness, But the arms have already been purchased and the nation doesn't have the funds to purchase an all new armory.
What would you do to salvage what you could from the weapons given, and how would you try to optimize their use?
The theoretical worst possible 1945 armaments program was one of the funniest things i've seen come out of FW.
Worth watching the whole video for that. Should be it's own stand alone clip. Should also have it's own video series. I'm looking at you InRangeTV!!
Picking a pistol and SMG that are both expensive and useless, and giving them indistinguishable-but-incompatible cartridges was a stroke of genius.
The vicious delight with which Ian anticipated the issues with .30 luger and .30 mauser is a thing of beauty
Ian needs to do a 2-Gun as an Elbownian Stormtrooper
@@WW2Fanatic1000 maybe name it "Ian the Saboteur", now what should they call it if karl is in a episode?
It was really awesome to see how much fun Ian was having with the last question. It’s a shame it can’t be asked again.
I guess you could come up with loads of spins on that scenario. Like which guns to "accidentally" leave in an unguarded depot in a guerrilla war? Or a small army supply agreement in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. Or which gun to use in a scenario like Operation Fast and Furious (it'll be Street Sweepers, Terminators and Judges, right?). Or whicht "top secret" weapons developments to feed to a double agent.
I think we should try and get one question along those lines into every Q&A from now on.
Elbonian army:
SMG: Thompson M1928
Pistol: Schnellfeuer in .30 Mauser
MG: Breda M30
Rifle G41(M)
SMG: Schnellfeuer with some kind of permanent, folding skeleton stock.
Pistol: Schnellfeuer.
Rifle: Schnellfeuer with a fixed stock and a very long barrel.
LMG: Schnellfeuer with no stock, very long barrel, detachable magazines and some kind of bipod loosely affixed to said barrel.
Also all 4 must be in different, but very similar, cartridges.
@@bigmike- SMG Cartridge: 7.63mm Mauser.
Pistol Cartridge: 9x19mm Parabellum.
Rifle: 9x25mm Mauser.
LMG: 8mm Gasser.
Replace the Thompson with the Reising 50?
@@Ulani101 no whit a S&W light rifle
Thompson equipped only with 100 round drums correct?
"30-06+P". That´s some serious shit for a infantry solider to carry and fire in a light weight rifle, go Sweden!
30 M1 ball was also a lot more impressive than the later M2.
174 gr boat tail @ 2650 fps.
_supersonic well past 1000 yards_
M2 was developed because the M1 exceeded the safe range limits of American training facilities. Concern over stray bullets, essentially.
It’s ironic that we celebrate 1000+ yard calibers, but here we have a much lighter cartridge than .338 for high volume machinegun fire...
...in the hands of infantry with the Garand and full auto BAR
Nowadays we would be fitting those long-actions with something like .300 PRC I suppose.
Either Wikipedia has it wrong, or I way underestimate 8mm mauser, because 8x63 only has about 80J more energy from ball ammo.
The first time I had a proper sounding ricochet I was like "it IS real!"
Was out building fence and a bullet went wizzing by. Some one was shooting somthing in the middle of no ware and i gess i was down range. Made sher i wasnt on top of the hill after that
@@jarroddraper5140 I was keeping rabbits off of a farmers crops in the west of Scotland. Was using an air rifle, so it wasn't exactly loud to begin with. (British gun laws precluded anything bigger, farmers can get shotguns when they need, but this was not one of those times. In any case anything bigger than a pellet risks rupturing the bunny innards and ruining the meat). Instead of the "PRFT" I expect it must have hit a rock or something, there was this almighty PuTAaAaAaAaNNNNNGG like you hear in Westerns.
Ya pellet guns van be just as dangerous as biger guns as thay bounce in odd directions
First time I heard a ricochet with a suppressed .22lr (where I could clearly hear the noise) all I could think was "well damn, that ISN'T just Hollywood BS"
MY friend and I were shooting a piece of plywood from his back porch with my bb gun (it was the 80's one that looks like an M-16 with a shotgun receiver). We were loading pellets and hit it and got that exact sound. Then our goal was to get that sound every time, no worries about bullseyes.
Give every Elbonian troop an STG 44 with one of those weird bent barrels.
Those bent barrels were actually removable attachments that went on the end of the normal barrels.
@@nmotschidontwannagivemyrea8932 Then we must weld the bent barrels in place before delivering.
@@Crowborn weld them in place at the factory but have the troops cut them off lol
Surely 10mm is there so after the great war low level characters will have something to use in the wasteland?
Was 10mm more of a contender for a future pistol calibre in 1997, or was it intentional retrofuturism like the vacuum-tube green terminals?
I think we're missing the C96s that the chinese converted to 10mm like they did with AKs in 5.56.
Just not the right timeline we're in ):
@@TheRealColBosch “
I picked 10mm since it wasn't popular, had been tested by the FBI at one point (and it was too much for agents to handle), but it was basically a gun nut (which I am one) kind of round. .45 might have made more sense, but I was looking for something with a little twist.”
- Chris Taylor, lead designer of Fallout.
Low level my ass, 10mm equipped enemies are dangerous as hell in FO4, particularly the automatic ones.
@@maitele Using a full auto two-shot legendary 10mm pistol with a suppressor right now. That bad boy cuts through Raiders and the like instantly. And it's suppressed so I clear out places by just hiding in corners and picking them off one by one.
SMG- Mosin Obrez
Pistol- Mosin Obrez
MG-something water cooled
Rifle-Mosin Obrez with a folding stock
Elbonian?
Who's your supplier Dogbert's Imports and Exports?
As a head of state, that would be a conflict of interest.
He's probably the one putting nazi stamps on everything too...
PHB's Hair Care and Shooty Things.
@@MattSmith49306 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
@@pteppig I think conflicts of interest would be a fundamental pillar of Dogbert's political ideology.
5:07 Thank you Ian for all of the digging you did to answer my question, that was very informative.
"Sporterizing" hasn't gone away, no we just call it "tacticool".
DonPatrono
Well, that’s not entirely true either, I’ve seen “tacticool” stocks for SKS, M1 Carbines, M1 Garands, etc, so it becomes even more convoluted, with people taking old military rifles, and putting civilian market parts on them, to make them look more in line with a modern military rifle.
Would tacticool be the reverse of sporterizing? Ie taking a sporting gun and making it mil-spec-ish
true, but these days ,most stuff is screwed, so reversible, as long as parts are available.
sporterized 40s and 50s military rifles had their wooden parts cut down or hacked away, barrels cut, stocks cut and so on.
not reversible unless money is not a problem.
I meant in the sense that you take a generic gun and customize it for whatever specific need and interests you like. Let's be honest 75% of ar-15s that have been made "tactical" were made like that because that's what's in fashion. Take your gun, customize it, make it your own; do all the popular things to it (free float barrel, quad rail/mlok, red dot.)
In the 50-60s the popular thing to do with your guns was to sporterize them with all the tech and fashion of that period.
I known technically tacticool is military themed, and sporterized is hunting themed, but that's pretty much what they are; popular gun culture themes.
@@angst_ so can you sporterize an AR or AK?
Ian: "I've actually got two Chauchats." A rare man of taste.
Putting a fake waffenamt on it is lame, a true patrician stamps it with BROWNINGSBROWNINGSBROWNINGS BREVETE MAUSER
WAUSER
I'm a Wauser guy myself
I put FN stamps on my rear sight leaf for range adjustment
GRIP ZONE
@@sawyere2496 Bonus points if said leaf is not, upon closer inspection, actually adjustable.
I love how excited Ian gets when answering the last question!
I do have a potential 'worse' replacement for the BAR in the Elbonian military.
The Breda Model 30 in 8x63.
Or potentially even worse; the Knorr Bremse LH35 in the same cartridge? They shook themselves to bits in 8mm Mauser.
Type 11 japanese lmg in 303 British using Enfield charger clips
How about MG 81 repurposed for ground use Volkssturm style rechambered for 8x63?
Tell the supplier convert the BAR to semi-auto for more controllable fire, get a home manifacturer to add bump stocks to regain suppressive effect. Tell the armorers to glue the stocks in place to conserve ammo. Tell the generals to have shoelaces tied around the charging handles and triggers, make all the seargents confiscate all shoelaces pre-emptively. Tell all the privates to bump fire anyways.
@@scoreboredgaming You forget to issue at least 2 second liutenants t each seargent oh and give them radio sets...i mead shoulder portable radio sets, not walki talkies.
Ian forgot to issue handgrenades, lets give them the german 1938 ones, one per soldier (did i mention, that german army noted the weakness of that thin, espacialy if not used in numbers?) but of course we don´t want to make our soldiers carry horeses right?
What about rifle grenades, nahhh, get everyone an not detachable rifle grenade cup, but dont issue rifle grenades.
Oh very important, we NEED bayonets, i hope we can get those impressive french ones...maybe we can lengthen them a little t oget the riffle in even better ofbalance.
What did we forget?
My Dad bought a sportized Argentine Mauser mail order from Montgomery Ward for $19.95 and used for deer hunting for the next 30 years. I still have it.
56:48 Ooh! Ooh! Then, in the '80s they can acquire a bunch of Chinese Type 80s in 7.62x25mm Tokarev, while still having lots of Mauser M712s in inventory! That will really mess them up! Exploding Mausers everywhere! Not to mention the bonus of parts that look similar, but probably aren't completely interchangeable.
Elbonian loadout for sabotage:
Primary rifle: IO AK-47
Sidearm: Zip-22
Sub machine gun: FMG9 will get adopted but the troops will somehow never receive them.
LMG: IO AK-47 full auto, with a drum with a bipod.
Precision Rifle: obrez Mosin with an Amazon optic
For anyone interested int the sound effect question a really easy way to get it is to simply set up a mic behind a shield and ricochet a .22 off the ground near it, you get a really very good sound. Apparently subsonic ammo is better for it!
Many early ricochet sounds were also used by shooting pennies, washers, etc out of a slingshot at certain surfaces. I know that one of the recordings in Errol Flyn's Dodge City made its way around a lot. For the cartoon sound ricochet effect it was a bit different, I think a spring was involved, I can't tell you how it was made exactly but I can tell you it originated in 1939 in an mgm flick.
No, just get a slingshot with a metal bb or even a rock and shoot in off an inclined surface at an angle. Cartoon sounds effects all day .
I actually had a .177 bb do that the other day out of my air rifle lol. It's the first time I've had a bb do it that I can remember, but I've also had 38 special do it before.
On a side note here's a dumb joke:
What do you call a bulletproof Irishman? Rick O'Shea
I Didnt know about the mas 35 pistol, googled it immediately. So happy to see a forgotten weapons video come up first in the ALL results page, always the best source for quality history, pictures, and an all around good time, thank you Sir!
I appreciate the sneaky Dilbert reference as well. the Elbonian mud-based economy will crumple under your supply chain proposal
I still remember the one where they talk about how tough the Elbonian people are. One takes a nuke to the head (it didn't go off) and the other one hands him a bottle and tells him to "Nupe it".
I think a fun anecdote that highlights Ian's point about the sporterized rifles is that in the movie Dirty Harry, the Scorpio Killer uses a sporterized version of a paratrooper takedown Arisaka, a scarce and valuable rifle in today's market, but back then it was a perfectly fine candidate for such a conversion.
Ian needs to dress up as the Elbonian traitor for his next two gun with the worst WW2 rifle and handgun he has in his collection.
Didn't he say in one of his videos that one of the worst rifles of WWII (in terms of cost/benefit, durability, and reliability) Was the FG-42?
The Elbonian Brown mud pattern field dress and personal equipment system need to be a video in itself.
@@davidbrennan660 dark brown. even black sometimes. black is tactical, right?
Then get his counterpart in Armo(u)red Branch to go into the worst tanks
@@SimuLord Then he does the rectifying in Q&A 14. Only just found them yesterday
Should get the Navy and Air Force next
I eagerly await my Elbonian shirt to come back into supply.
Ian made a video about the Remington Etronx awhile ago. Fully electronic rifle/ammo. Rem 700 with electric guts.
Thanks, I could not remember the name.
Semi auto, full electric bullets are easy. Just make the trigger a piezo generator. Like an electronic lighter. No batteries required, takes an eon to wear out, and single pulse per pull.
The trigger pull would suck. A bazooka trigger on a semi automatic rifle? No thanks.
@@Biden_is_demented Interesting idea, but at that point, what's the advantage over a fully mechanical mechanism?
It would still be super easy to replace the piezo with a simple circuit to pulse a firing signal at whatever rate of fire you want, thus being easily made into a machine gun. ATF would never allow it.
Didn't Remington make a model x or something which used a electric ignition of sorts?
@@Jecool242 yes, but it is a boltaction so no risk of it being convertible to full auto.
41:30 Starts talking about the Taurus Judge ✌🏻
Rayeky1 Thanks, that’s what I was looking for.
cheers
This is what i came to the comments for. Thank you borther. I thank you for your cervix.
Thank you
Yep, thanks for linky
Back in the '80s, I found a shop that had five crates full of SKS's with kits. I asked about them the shop owner said 70.00 each.
I walked out with four and a case of surplus ammo. I sported two gave one to my dad and kept one bone stock. Within 150 yards, they are good tools.
13:32 i had a suspicion that a MAS-38 would make an entrance there haha
It wouldn't be a proper video without a French firearm showing up.
Man this place is a rarity, a community that asks interesting and involved questions and a guy who can choose the best of the and keep the answers engaging enough to make a guy sit and listen to someone talk for an hour straight. I should add, about a topic I have little interest in outside this channel, Ian just makes this stuff that interesting.
Got to say that Ian’s dressing gown game is on point compared to Karl’s yesterday
Much more animated at the very least!
And, it's left-handed (hanky pocket on the right side)!
Smoking jacket
Regarding the electrically primed ammo Ian did a Forgotten Weapons video on the Remington EtronX. A bolt action hunting rifle that used electrically primed ammo. It has been done, but it's now a forgotten weapon.
Rifle grenades: Bloke has a fascinating video with Dale showing research on origin of the Energa rifle grenades.
Elbonia is well and truly EFFED. I'm home today with sharp stabbing back pain, and laughing at the Elbonian ordnance sabotage effort has my back yet worse... but it hurts so good. Thanks Ian!
When you pronounced Islay correctly while reading the question I already knew you'd be a fan. :)
In 2007 Century was selling Beretta 92S pistols surplus from Italy for $240.
To make a 92S magazines from a 92F magazines I had to mill out a new retainer slot. The mag is so hard, carbide tooling was required.
I have one of those pistols.
It isn't hard to find Beretta mags that have the hole in the bottom for the bottom mounted mag release.
You convince the Elbonian procurement to buy from 1945 wish for the BAR, only what shows up is those comically large classroom training rifles.
I wonder what the square-cube-law would do to a cartidge. Doubling the linear dimensions should give you eight times the powder and bullet mass, but only four times the bullet cross section (and drag). Maybe you could sell it as anti-materiel rifle and talk up the saving in training, as it and the light machine gun are identical, except for dimensions.
And then add Russian KPV heavy machineguns in 14.5x114mm to the mix in the early '50s and cause additional confusion with the doubled in size .30-06 (7.62x63mm), which I imagine would be close enough in size to not spot right away.
So what you get is a semi/full automatic pre WW2 antitank rifle... Sort of like an overweight Barrett.
The crossover of Ian talking about Isla whisky makes me very happy :) Especially when accompanied by a silk smoking jacket and liquor cabinet globe! A man of refined tastes.
disappointed at the lack of Breda Modello 30 in the last question
BREDAAAAAAA
That really would be the worst possible MG ever made.
Far from bored, working in a critical job, adding Ham radios and lighting on my jeep, with a multi battery addition to power them, completing a wood shop, and closing in a car port, while hand loading and bullet casting, as well as spring gardening and lawn maintenance, and it is spring bear season BUT there is still time to listen to your material IAN, your just that good.
So today I learned something new about the ricochet sound. Nice. Thought the question was a good one, too, even if Ian couldn't answer it directly.
I can field the question about the ricochet sound. There were a set of records in blue sleeves that were produced in the 40's that were just filled with sound effects intended for Hollywood productions. Because they were early and ubiquitous, the sounds themselves became iconic especially among people who work with them everyday in the industry. As a result, As the technology progressed and improved versions could produced, people eschewed the idea and instead opted to preserve the original sounds and being public domain, almost all sound effect machines and programs contain at least some selection of sounds that first appeared on the blue records released over 80 years ago. These very special, long venerated, and tremendously culturally important records had the amazingly imaginative and descriptive name of "Sound Effects! Vol. #x". Thanks for the question!
Ian 2020: "More power is more gooder" LMAO.
That's such a great out of context quote, I can hear Michael Moore looking for a way to misuse it.
"More power is more gooder"
That is true almost all the time. The negative is something like testing a battery with your tongue. More power is most likely bad because of death but if it was stooooopid more power and made one evaporate instantly thus causing no sensations at all then that is more good.
So, for 10mm, while I am personally a big fan, most of what you say is absolutely true. A 10mm won't ever replace my USP9c, but out here in Montana there's a niche reason for it - bears. I just recently got the opportunity to shoot an older Para 6" 10mm 1911, and it's honestly a lovely cartridge to shoot (again, I like .44 magnum a lot, so grain of salt and whatnot). The platform issue really hinders capacity, which is the point of choosing a 10mm over any other bear pistol imo, and the one I would go with would be a Tanfoglio CZ copy in 10mm. Capacity, weight, and a nice trigger with easily replaceable recoil springs makes it an exceptional option that most don't know about.
It's not just you. 10mm is pleasant to shoot with a 1911 platform gun. I cannot say the same for the S&W 1006, which seems designed to maximize barrel-flip. I've always suspected the 10X6 ergonomics contributed to 10mm's quick replacement by 40 S&W. That said, woods carry and hunting really are the only practical uses of 10mm.
Montana is the only reason I have a 10mm at all. Plenty of penetration and easier to carry than a .44 magnum.
To my knowledge 10mm is in military use on place only: The Royal Danish Navy Dog sledge Patrol "Sirius" in Northeast Greenland. The standard weaponry of a two-man patrol are US M1917 30-06 rifles and Glock 40 10mm pistols. Btw this makes the M1917 one of the few guns to have served for more than a 100 years.
Taurus Judge has a very specific and useful purpose. I think they are the most hilarious firearm I have ever seen and everyone needs a good laugh every once in a while.
Thank you for answering my question about the MIL Thunder Five, those were my thoughts exactly. Trying to source the conversion sleeves and the 45/70 version currently. Unfortunately the last example of 45/70 went for over $1,500... and the conversion sleeves are very rare. Once again thank you for answering my question, I love my example of the Thunder Five because I got it for $300 and it’s great for the memes!!
Conversion sleeves?
Devin Cook they had metal conversion sleeves for the cylinders, don’t know if sleeve is the best term but I think they offered it in 9mm amongst other calibers
The main use for a .410 is as a "snake gun". In Australia, we always had one very handy for just that purpose.
I grew up in the US and spent time in Oz. Its amazing how many people in Australia come unglued when you mentions shooting something like a king brown or even just paraphrase John Williamson "in the company of the king brown keep the shotgun loaded".
They’re convenient for small game up here in Canada when you’re out on the land. Up in the woods checking small game traps - hare, marten, whatever - you probably aren’t going to be taking too long shots, and the small size is fine for anything you’re likely to see, and the bang will scare off most things that are too big. That and .22LR are common for that kind of thing.
Blasting a grouse you’d prefer to have in condition for a pot of soup into a cloud of feathers with a load of 12-ga birdshot isn’t great, eh?
As a long time viewer ive been wondering about the mas-38 and im glad you finally got it working
God, Ian. That last question's answer was positively devious. You are a true battlefield saboteur.
In Swedish gevär is pronounced something like yev-AIR.
Japp. 👏 👍
Sounds cool.
That sound about right. Google translate do pronounce it quite good:
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Hi Ian, I’ve directed movies with many featured firearms like “Behind Enemy Lines”, “Max Payne” (which had a Taurus Judge!) and “A Good Day to Die Hard”. I find your work invaluable and would hope someday to be able to ask you to consult as do many directors who know their stuff: you are held in very high esteem my friend, best wishes, John Moore
Holy crap it’s really John Moore. Great job directing behind enemy lines. I had no idea you were Irish
@@mike9338 thank you friend, glad you liked Enemy Lines.. . been a while😁
3:44 The P90 magazine is an interesting example. Not necessary to go to that level of R&D on a magazine, but it shows that when you it works. Experimental in many ways too (Carts rotating 90 degrees in mag, using a new cartridge, polymer, bullpup smg/pdw).
XFourty7 Sorry Folk , Bit the P 90 suxxx
And finally out of patent protection, so folks like Magpul can start making them and hopefully drive the price down.
doesn't it have problems if you drop it after firing a few rounds?
andrew w what??? VELO ???
Not only do you know guns, you understand the malting process! I'm more impressed now than I was before....
A few years ago a company made the Digi-Trigger, an electronic AR trigger. I’m like 95% sure the ATF shut that down.
After a 10 second Google search, I can see them in business and selling their products.
@@MarvinCZ They've even demoed a full auto version with selectable rate of fire.
Finally! Good to hear you got the mas 38 working
I can't exactly put my finger on why, but this was one of the most enjoyable Q&As in a while. Not that they've been bad recently, but this one just seemed to have a critical mass of interesting questions.
Due to boredom, sheer, soul crushing boredom.
Let's be honest, some question come up almost everytime so it becomes boring after a while. It seems there were less duplicate questions this time.
Ian, thanks for your work
You have a gift for disseminating large amounts of technical information accurately and still being interesting!
I have the same thoughts on electronic firearms. I think the reliability concerns are just as unfounded as would be anyone thinking a carburator would be better than electronic injection. Here's some other possible beneftis:
- Semi-auto rifles being just as accurate and not much more complex than manual bolt action ones, because you can cycle the action after the projectile has left the barrel instead of using the mechanical force of the bullet to do it
- Obstruction detection - not firing if the barrel is obstructed
- Ammo counter
- You can put the trigger anywhere you want, so issues with bullpup triggers disappear
- You can also put the electronics anywhere you want, making manufacture and design easier than equivalent mechanical control parts, plus making it easy to replace it on the fly if anything goes wrong
Time stamps are appreciated. Great video!
I could listen to Ian for hours. Oh wait, I do...
I now have an image of Ian daul weilding chauchats in my head
I read a series of books called Re-Search and they interviewed the author William S Burroughs and they were discussing survivalism and guns with him. He mentioned the Thunder 5 as being a neat concept, go figure.
No, no, he got a point.
See, if you have a buddy, and you give him a Thunder 5, if you ever get attacked by a grizzly, he'll be the one to piss it off by throwing pellets at it.
Then, while he's getting mauled, you can run away safely! Brilliant.
It is a neat concept. That's why they sell so many Judges. It's only once you actually test out it's effectiveness (or just think about it for a while) that you realize it's pretty worthless.
Actually, if we're talking about a post-apocalyptic type scenario, a handgun that handles both what must be the second or third most popular shotgun cartridge and a fairly popular revolver/levergun cartridge is not a terrible idea.
@@jic1 True, the idea is not terrible. The execution and practicality is.
WSB was not a practical man, but he had a vivid imagination. Much too vivid. Waaaaay too vivid.
Hi Ian, I live in a small city here in North Carolina. And it is the Sister City to Oban Scotland !! Some of the folks down here, took a trip to Oban. And a few went on a "whisky trawl " while they were in Oban ! They visited several distillery's, and sampled lot's of whisky !! From some of the best single malts on down !! As best as they could remember they tried 35 types, everything was a little fuzzy by then....hic..... !! lol This is a great channel !!
And that's how I found out Ian was a Dilbert reader.
Thank you for answering my question on the RSC17!
I fear the Elbonian army now. Soldeirs will 'fix' and 'improve' their kit. If they can make THAT combo work...
@ForgottenWeapons: That combination of guns for Elbonia is absolutely devious and was worth a good leugh. Thank you, Ian.
I was laughing long and hard about your nefarious plans for the Elbonian army. Great channel, I'm a huge fan.
The "guy falling off the building when he gets shot" is known as the Wilhelm Scream. Ben Burt from ILM/Skywalker Sound got it from an old Westen movie where an actor named Wilhelm was playing a cowboy and got hit with an arrow. That scream was used in a few other movies but Ben Burt put it in Star Wars: A New Hope and every movie he did sound effects for with ILM and Skywalker Sound. Other sound engineers started using it and it became a tradition. Ben Burt retired a couple of years ago and a lot of sound engineers decided to retire the Wilhelm Scream along with Burt. As for the ricochet sound effect, it's so common, who knows?
The sabotage of Elbonia genuinely made me laugh. Very devious!
10mm is an outdoorsman's pistol, not for anti-personel.
It's also hard on pistols.
If you shoot it in a 1911 get a Springco buffer SYSTEM or you will kill it with enough full power ammo.
1959. I bought a Mark 5 enfield at Sears for $25. Was nicely refurbished.
The Third Pin I was 16 and I had been hunting White Tail for 5 years. Small game since I can’t remember. Things weren’t like now. I was on hi school rifle team. Carried my gun into the school and coach( history teacher) sold us the ammo which local USMC reserves provided.
Didn't care about age then, just do have the cash
The closing question was really-really fun. Now that's a fun and interesting question to tinker with. Great Q&A as always. And mail pause was also fun. :)
"Aromatic" smoke....
I remember a recent Whiskey Tribe video where a guest referred to Ardbeg as "Smells like feet" and was afraid to drink it... made a bunch of faces after taking a drink... and then decided she loved it and said it was meaty, like she'd just eaten a ham.
The Ardbeg is the best whisky.
As a fan of Islay scotch, I really appreciate how much you love it too!
Oh, Ian said “traitor” not “trader”. I was very confused at first.
Often not much of a difference between both
Americans hate traders which is weird for a capitalist nation, but okay
@@o00nemesis00o : It's inherited from Europe. Merchants have often been hated for the same reason as bankers, "they don't make anything, they just leech off other people's work!" Many accurate things can be said in reaction, often boiling down to "then do what they do yourself", but people who complain about things are rarely interested in honesty as much as self-indulgence.
No information about the firearm but if you are interested in the scream, it's called the Wilhelm Scream. Originally one of the sound effects from a 1951 movie called "Distant Drum," all of which were kept in Warner Brother's sound effects and used in other movies. The scream was in over 400 movies as of last count. It's named after Private Wilhelm, a character from the 1953 movie The Charge at Feather River. Probably not anything you are interested in but I found it interesting.
I saw Ian's 'Dark side' on that last question and it scared me.
Nice plug for Mec-Gar. When I needed new magazines for my S&W 459 to meet newly imposed magazine restrictions, Mec-Gar was the only one company that made them. Their magazines were very well built, and function well. Like you said in response to the first question -- magazines function well when they are not cheap because they are well made.
Would live to see the Elbonian question asked for more time periods
Lagavulin 16 was one of the scotches we had at our wedding; it's my favorite!
I would argue that sporterizing never went away. It just evolved. Poor little AKMs are being made "tactical" every day...
As for the Elbonians, make them steampunk with a massive automatic revolver like the Webley-Fosberry, in a proprietary .45" cartridge, a Suomi style SMG that weighs 8 pounds, in a rimless version of the same cartridge, and a straight-pull bolt-action that's four and a half feet long, in something vaguely akin to 45-70 but with a spitzer bullet. As for machine guns, the standard MG should be a variant of the Browning 1919A6, but massively overbuilt to fire the .45 Elbonian cartridge, essentially an M2 with a stock, whereas the LMG should be the belt-fed, water-cooled Hellreigel, firing the rimmed Elbonian pistol cartridge. It'll probably need an oil reservoir while you're at it. And all three ammo types should be referred to as .45 Elbonian.
Oh, and make sure that all ceremonial guards and parade units are equipped with fancy special-order single shot bolt-action rifles that will chamber the standard rifle cartridge, but will explode and launch their 17-inch bayonets directly at the king if you actually try to fire the damn thing.
Praise to the Elbonian Liberation Front! "Don't sit on the Shelf, become an ELF!"
Give .45 Elbonian to exactly 1/2 of the battalion with matching auto revolvers. Then neck down the cartridge to .32, but mark it .45 Elbonian. Give the other half this necked down cartridge with matching auto revolvers. They look identical other than the barrel that has been milled in two different sizes in two nearly identical orders.
@@Kikker861 *EVIL!* I love it.
Fun question Peter. Thanks as always Ian.