Felt like we did pressing with our legs😂 But yes upper body felt fresh throught the games. Strict deficit hspu was missing for sure and we needed those instead of thrusters in final event.
The 5K being 4.5k is more comparable to doing “Murph” as .9 mile, 90 pull-ups, 180 push-ups and 270 squats and .9 mile. Which is significantly different.
@@hillerfitmissed an opportunity to reference the Robin Williams bit about a NASA engineer accidentally programming the Mars Rover in feet instead of meters.
How come the commentators kept saying that they had run a 5km in the morning when they knew that they hadn't?! They didn't once mention (that I heard) that there had been an issue with measuring the distance and it was in fact short. Aren't they allowed to be honest in their commentary, inform the viewers what's going on. Sean seemed more open with what he could say years prior.
I'm a bit over how hard Crossfit push Annie. No doubt it's amazing what she's done for the sport but she finished 13th. What about all the other amazing women who finished ahead of her that barely get a mention? Migala? Gazan? Powers? It's time to focus on the present and these newer athletes who are crushing it.
Migala? Gazan? Austin Powers? Who are these people? Lemme know when they do something special at the elite level. All sports gravitate to legends. Been that way for thousands of years, since the Olympics. We’re you born yesterday?
On this end, let's also mention how on the event where Danielle Brandon won her heat, all the commentators talked about was Paige Powers and the Mayhem team, because Rich Froning was with them . . . Brandon had just worked her ass off and all you could hear was Rich beating the Mayhem drum
I don’t do CrossFit but I find Hiller hilarious so I watched the Games this year for the laughs I knew were coming and this video did not disappoint. I can’t believe nobody has mentioned how many times Stacy Tovar was introduced as “The 2nd Fittest 35 to 39 Year Old Woman in the world”. I think I heard that more than about Annie and 3 decades of competition. 😂😂
@@hillerfitto be fair, they have to be repetitive to some extent. You can’t assume that people will actually watch the live stream from every day. They were obviously making efforts to speak to new folks who had no idea what was happening. Notice how many times they carefully explained the leader was in red and white, what the scores on top meant, etc. I would like to assume at least SOME of the repetitiveness was due to the intended new audiences.
@@hillerfitHahaha..I saw your Instagram post. You can say 3 people watched it because when it flipped over to ESPN (which was stupid in my opinion) I flipped on the TV (we have DISH for the kid). I never turn on, much less control, the TV so my wife and son actually watched some of those events with me. We were already planning to go to Rogue Invitational in October to watch the Strongman competition but I think we will probably stick around now and watch the CrossFit portion as well. We will never join a box because we have our own well equipped garage gym but from watching your channel and the Games I have see some movements I am going to add to my usual Strongman style training.
@@NavanirunzEXACTLY.. the same happen to the workouts too i watched the whole games and one thing i noticed is that they always explain the workout on every heat eventhough its exactly the same and i think they did that for this exact reason and for the people who are just tuning in. Not everyone can watch the whole thing from start to finish hence the repetitiveness
CrossFit owes both clarification and an apology to the entire sports world over that “5k”. To blatantly short the distance and then flaunt the times on social media is straight up pathetic and makes me question the integrity of the entire sport. Side note - if that’s true about Adler trying to trip Roman, that ain’t cool either. Runners don’t do that.
I saw the 5k times and was blown away, didn’t realize there was controversy around it until yesterday. Makes sense it was shorter than advertised so they definitely need to retract the 5K workout title.
Let’s be honest. The programming is dictated by the sponsors. Trek wants people to buy bikes so we have a bike race. Rogue wants boxes to buy pigs, alpacas, sandbags, bikes, and bobs. Concept 2 wants to ensure rowers, ergs, and bikes are bought so we gotta have events with them. Barbells were hardly featured. Why? You can get them anywhere. You don’t need the Rogue barbell to compete. But you do need a concept 2 rower for your cals to count, Xebex won’t work. You need an echo bike because assault isn’t it anymore and Schwinn won’t work. So in the end it feels like things are watered down and compromised not for the best tests, but how CrossFit, a company laying people off and making cuts, can ensure they have sponsors for their flagship event.
I hear you on the bikes, and maybe concept two, but I do have a hard time thinking rogue pushed the sleds and such. You would be on to something if they had a paddle sponsor and then a requiste event.
@@hillerfit btw I wasn’t directing that as a slight towards the vendors. I just imagine them in a meeting with HQ saying, “we would love to sponsor the event, but how does this help us sell more product.” I mean these companies are for profit and looking at their bottom lines. So I am not saying the companies pushed their stuff as much as HQ programmed to make the products a big part of the games. I mean even you had previously stated your dislike for all the machines in a past video compared to the good old days. You even in this video said any one can compete in their garage as long as they know the standards. However if the standards become centered around a product and a price point, that is no longer entirely true. So you have something like street parking giving flexibility within their programming and being brand and equipment agnostic so to speak and they are finding success.
@@redefinenj I think you are right and in some measure sponsors have wishlist or in the other way HQ wants sponsor to like them. It's not always hard procedure but money relations are not full of freedom
@@seancarristhebest maybe the pig wasn’t a great example, but I still think sponsors and attempts to please them are driving the programming more than creating a true assessment of the fittest.
I was about to get mad at Annie because it was getting old. They. Just. Kept. Saying. It. And Moms! Like it is some miracle that Mom's can do amazing things. FfS.
This might be one of my favourite crossfit games ever and it was purely down to the coverage by the media. You, sevan, Peter and all the crew made it so much more enjoyable 🙌🏼
Agreed with your points!! Another miss. Could have focused the camera time more on athletes who were on the cut line instead of always showing the heat winner. Also in general, it could add more stories to show other people. I.e. we saw no women running except Emily Rolfe haha. Or the bike ride we only saw Emma. No idea what happened with the crashes etc. missed opportunity for us viewers to be engaged
I enjoyed this video. Hiller always brings that perspective that may be unpopular but it’s rooted in facts, which helps cut through the company line. I think Brandon gets more recognition off her look and attitude rather than performance. You will see 1 or 2 great performances by her, that will get everyone talking, but typically finishes where she finishes at. Justin didn’t look right from the start, reminds me of that natty or not video. Great job man
@@hillerfit your video on him was well done, which honestly, the natty or not videos are probably my favorite series that you create. I was referencing a person of his ability and accomplishment really had a rough outing during these games. Even though he wiped on the bike and that might of effected it, he just seemed out classed from the jump. Not taking away from who he is or what he has done, but this was a sharp departure from his past. Made me think of the athletes that are suspect or have been caught on PEDs. His natural ability at a young age is apparent. It made me think of athletes who come off of PEDs and have that sharp decline. Not inferring that he does PEDs or not, I go with your line of he will keep winning until he doesn’t want to.
But she essentially got dead last in the one gymnastic event. She absolutely dominated on the tests given, but had she gotten another bottom place finish, would be a different 1st place finisher.
@@christinaspencer838827th is far from dead last. If it didn’t include hspu she would’ve gotten top ten in that event. Remove them from inverted medley, put strict in another event(assume she gets last) and she still wins.
I think they really watered the excitement down for the weightlifting event. Think of the snatch performance 2 years ago, the log press at Rogue, or the heavy sandbag cleans. The energy from those events were incredible. Not sure how to tweak it though. It was still fun, but not as exciting as previous years.
Thank you for not disappointing us. My question is WHO does Hippensteel have pictures of ? He wound up on the podium. Wonder how Mr. 4th Place feels about that.
I saw Hippensteel doing overhead press on the short NoBull CrossFit feed. At the time, I called out NoRep due to his lack of elbow lockout at the top and the rest of the comment section was too busy sucking up to him. He clearly dyes his hair but wants to hide behind his age by not doing movements correctly. He must have compromising photos of Boz or Castro.
As a marathoner, if a runner steps in another runners shoes in a sanctioned event, he or she is DQ’d as penalty. That should have carried over to the this past weekend.
Dude thank you so much for this. It’s obviously done in a very hilarious way but it’s so true. I love the sport of CrossFit, but HQ is a joke. The espn deal was ridiculous. In an effort to acquire a new fan base they decide to take a big ole dump on the actual fan base. Kinda like Anheuser Busch 😂
Comment on ESPN: I had a middle aged co worker tell me they saw the CrossFit Games on ESPN and continued to watch it because they thought it was crazy. I know it pissed off a lot of already CrossFitters but I do think it was brought to a demographic through showing it on ESPN Cable.
Ha! The genie introduction😂 I wasn’t going to download espn but it took too long for CrossFit to upload after the first day and I knew it would get worse as the days went on. I downloaded the espn app then cancelled my subscription right after the last event because I knew the awards show wouldn’t be on espn. If it cost me $10 way cheaper than a ticket at the games and flights so there’s that 🤷🏻♀️ man this was 🔥 the number 4 Roman taking second, the training camps, etc.
Love love love! so happy you are back and have been waiting to hear your comments and see your coverage! Especially love the Roman intervals event rant oh man that got me se mad! Would love to see your ideal programming for these past games! Thank you for your content you never disappoint us fans!
I feel like I'm the only one, but I really liked Stacie on the broadcast..I think it's cause she actually said different things (and while I like the other dudes, they tend to sound like a broken record of about 10 different sentences)
Love the list. I agree with the programming. This year lacked the real bang circa 2017 brought. The last 2 years with the gymnastics focus, has CrossFit teetering. Twirls shouldn’t necessarily be criteria for fittest on Earth. I hope Dave takes back over programming and we can get back to business.
🤣🤣 those wheels are pre-set to yards. We use them at my work all the time and we always have to make the conversions to whatever unit we need. And regarding the ESPN broadcast, it felt like the script was set for "new viewers" that really didn't know anything about crossfit. Just like how @hillerfit was explaining the workouts to that nice lady during the semifinals.
@@hillerfit I work in college athletics and since ESPN+ became the place to stream our matches, I have learned a lot on why they do the things they do. We have certain standards we need to follow. It's very interesting learning all about their production.
I feel like part of being an athlete is knowing how to reign it in if you feel like youre risking it injury wise. Bethany Flores made it through the events with a glass lower back so if she can I reckon everyone else could've as well. Risk vs reward i guess
@@cammathews5684I was about to say something similar. The difference between Bethany and the others is she knows her limitations and adjusts her expectations while the others don't. She's done A LOT of work to come back from her injuries and I'm hoping she can build on it and come back even better next year.
The adaptive & age group should have been showcase more, especially on ESPN. Imagine people at the bar watching a 70 year old and a 13 year old doing a Clean & Jerk.
18:45 missed movie scene opportunity “Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong”
The cameras only focused on the top 3 or so athletes per event. Other contenders were not highlighted unless they were in place to win. For example the only camera time Brandon got was when she was in the top 3 in an event.
We have all this technology so you could place a dozen cameras and cover the entire field, so viewers could choose their viewing angle. And yet the broadcasts are no different than 60 years ago.
Sometimes the top athlete in the heat wasn’t even being shown because they were showing the actual overall leader. Meaning you miss the actual race of the event, very obnoxious. Also, at times they could have zoomed out slightly to capture the whole field. Or they were like videoing the top of their heads while doing BMU, terrible view.
Love your channel bro, straight up brilliant content and lm new to CrossFit so appreciate your constructive criticism and views, it only makes the community better, shout-out and big respect
I’m a newer person to CrossFit who joined weighing almost 300 lbs. During the pandemic when boxes were all re-opening but my job was still WFH, I decided to change to a place closer to me than my work. I remember every time we’d do Murph or even if coach said, “Go run 400m…” I was gasping for air. Only to learn the huuuuuuuuuge discrepancy between my old gym and the new one 😂
The new place was a true 400m and the old was 355m. I think maybe one “problem” is the setup at the box for many people who go to a WOD because of the community, the workout and fitness goals vs. trying to qualify for the games. For example, the old gym would say for the 400m, “Run to the flag pole and back” vs. the new place, “Run around the whole complex twice.” They try to make an easy landmark that people can recognize in order to hit that checkmark of run 400m.
First off, great video and I largely agree! Three comments: 1) We really don't know whether the 5k was accurate unless we went out and wheeled it ourselves. I think the athletes times are believable for sure. They are in line with the predicted times by JR and TS and seem to correspond to the athletes abilities. Emily Rolfe is a crazy good runner, as is Brent and Lazar. Are there times really off by that much? 2) The camps. I think Mayhem had the best showing by far of the camps. They had the most athletes make the games and had athletes finish in a variety of places. The fact Luke Parker and Sam Cournoyer best Hopper shows the HWPO crew is not doing something right. Seems like Mayhem performed as usual and everyone else faltered. 3) Push v pulling. Every year there is some movement that is under-programmed. Maybe we really should have seen more pushing, but unless it was specifically strict deficit hspu Laura would have still won. There are plenty of other pushing movements where she does fine. Sled pushes, shoulder presses etc. Also, if athletes are that affected by programming that means they have holes that need to be filled. If you want to win the Games, be good at all of the things.
I feel like CrossFit has gotten too cute with their programming. It’s all about something new and different when they could realistically just do more of what we all do in the box.
How did Mayhem lose on this? Their camp doesnt feel same to me as the other camps. It feels more like gym & family with athletes who want to be a part of that. HWPO, PRVN, etc seem more built on recruiting the star athletes and or the up & coming athletes.
Not trying to throw shade on Horvath, but I didn’t think there was any high volume test of hand stand push ups. I was expecting those to show up the last day somewhere.
Couple of honorable mentions- Luke Parker had 6 stitches on his knee, which I assume made the events exponentially harder for him and #2 if it weren’t for the cuts Roman would’ve finished 4-5th instead of 3rd he was very lucky to be able to just stand there and get 20th place finishes
Agree completely with all of this. Only difference from my list to yours is the ESPN coverage would make my top ten. I hate that they don't show the entire event. One night we didn't even get to see the winning time because it happened in an earlier heat! Though the ESPN coverage did give me one of my favorite moments of any CF games when Stacie Tovar called the Ski Bag Event the T-bag Event!!! ROFL. This was possibly one of the worst programmed years I have ever seen. As someone who does a lot of interval work I found it a joke to call the Intervals Event intervals. One rest period does not test your ability to recover adequately. Really bad programming. Wondering if this has anything to do with Dave getting involved in the games rather close to them and a conflict occurring between his vision and Boz's vision.
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in the comments as I can’t quite be bothered reading to see if it has but jay crouch is a prvn athlete and he got 8th place up from 28th last year
I don’t think you can say Roman is the fittest because unfortunately his body didn’t hold up. Sport and injury unfortunate but happens. Adler didn’t break, vellner didn’t break.. Not a big fan of the programming overall, looking forward to Castro having some more input next year! Roman is a legend none the less, next year should be fun! Ricky back, Roman, the Canadians, Medeiros with a chip on his shoulder…
6 sutures is not even in the same ballpark injury wise as a broken foot. Continuing on with that injury isn’t going to potentially take you out of your future as an athlete. A broken foot in no way takes away someone’s athletic ability, it takes away their ability to compete at the highest level. To say Roman is somehow less athletic/qualified because he got injured is ridiculous.
Along with the Annie competing in three decades was the commentary on Jonne Koski. "He's won the opening event of the games three times" every time he was on the floor 😂
Andrew, question why every year on the men's side the winner is always a somewhat short guy? It seems like no matter how fit taller athletes are they have no chance....your thoughts?
Hey Andrew. A question? A lot of people who under preform changed programs last year. Do they need to get used to the program for a year or 2. Can that be the case? And if you see who are alway in the top 5 are people who stay with the same program for years, so the problem is the changing program every year. What do you think?
Annie 3 decades, Stacy Tovar 2nd place... We could have totally made this a drinking game with those two statements alone but everyone would have gotten alcohol poisoning by event three
How about how many times Stacy Tovar exclaimed, “Burn the Boats!!” - in a quasi-pirate accent 😵💫 (pirate accent felt thicker with each time she used the phrase). I was ready to mute the entire rest of the event to get out of hearing her saying that again.
In my opinion, if CrossFit wants to grow and they currently have a limited budget for media (I.e. televising the Games), then next year they should do away with the teams competition (or at least not broadcast it), and instead put that money towards showcasing the age group and adaptive athletes. I feel like that would draw a lot more people to CrossFit and the sport by showcasing these types of athletes instead of just the young studs.
Jason Hopper was on a TH-cam channel before the games (maybe buttery Bros, I forget) saying that "he is not crossfit, it does not identify him" "yeah I want to win the CF Games I think as bad as anyone" those words stuck in my head. He didn't sound like a Froning, Fraser, Tia, or Vellner, who you believe when they talk will die to win and KNOW they want it worse than anyone. I feel that in this sport, you have to passionately love crossfit, and it does need to identify you. You have to be crossfit to get on that podium. Idk. When I heard him talk, I just knew he wasn't even gonna podium.
I mostly agree. But Arielle proves that wrong 😂 I love her realness. She said she trains 3-4 hrs in her garage and prioritizes her family. She said she doesn’t sell her soul and give everything. Haha she was shocked every event when she’d place super well bc she doesn’t go to a big training camp and doesn’t know how she’ll do compared to others. So awesome! She actually seems so happy and chill. But yeah agreed about Hopper and I think to be #1 you’ll have to be obsessed
Agre group / adaptive - they also could’ve reached out to UW broadcasting school and gotten students to be the announcers for it. That would’ve been huge for the students portfolio and probably would’ve worked.
Did the commentators say Annie had been around for 3 decades... I didn't catch that 😒 But I'm sure they may have mentioned that Laura Horvath has done some climbing in the past😁 Great video tho Hiller, luckily in the UK we could watch it all on youtube. Would like to have seen a bit more barbell but on the whole I enjoyed it
The point about pulling versus pushing makes a lot of sense when you look at Vellner also. Last year he performed worse than expected and struggled with locking out overhead. This year with lots of pulling, which he is great at, able to get back on the podium.
Great List, on point. 11. No athlete being able to do a prober KB Clean n Jerk. No jerking at all. 12. Athletes thanking God. Especially when another athlete gets injured and you therefore get a day more in the Games, Mrs. Baker.🤔🙄
Completely agree with the pull to push! Crazy unbalanced. Castro, save us, please! You add strict hspu somewhere, and idt Laura pulls (😂😂😂😂😂) off first.
About the cuts: I don’t buy Dave’s and other peoples argument about “there are cuts in all sports”. Because this is not like other sports. To determine the fittest on earth you need all the tests, and the total result over this broad spectrum of time and modal domains is the result. You don’t need all 100m dash athletes to run 12 races to determine the fastest, because they are doing the SAME THING before every cut! Just like all other sports that include cuts. The thing about the cuts in the CrossFit games is that they are happening in the middle of the race. It’s like if there would be cut lines at 50 and 75 meters in the 100m dash. “If you’re not the best at half the test, you won’t get to complete it”. Doesn’t make sense.
As a former competitive runner, trying to trip or mess someone up isn't something you do. Look up the Zola Budd/Mary Dekker incident from many Olympics ago. I also agree with you that the team comp. is better than the individual but as far as I can tell most people don't agree with us.
@@hillerfit I think one of the reasons I prefer the team comp. is because I started watching the games at a point when R. Froning was at that point in his career(I don't do crossfit myself, I'm just a spectator.) I also like watching to see how well the various athletes on a team have come together and are basically synchronized or in many cases not. I think the second reason goes back to the first. The Mayhem teams that Froning was a part of were incredibly in synch the vast majority of the time. The "super" teams that competed against Froning usually weren't quite as in synch. I think the way to improve the team comp. would be if Froning took over the programing because I think the programing is still mostly at the level of "individual x4" and the qualifiers for team are just sad.(Thank you if you read the whole thing and keep making content people enjoy.)
I wonder too if the calculated fikowski saved roman for the the podium Someone shoukd calculate if he scored one place higher, would he have been on the podium
Tovar was better than Woodland who had little of substance to say, but it was annoying how she kept pointing out that the athletes were doing this after X many box jumps, etc. Yes, we know, it's a multi-test event.
Honestly I feel like messing up the 5k length is the biggest issue, but yes it was definitely pulling heavy which helped Laura. Honestly think if Roman didn’t get injured he would have beaten Addler regardless of whether there was more pushing or not.
Felt like we did pressing with our legs😂 But yes upper body felt fresh throught the games. Strict deficit hspu was missing for sure and we needed those instead of thrusters in final event.
or lunges for the ending again....
THE MAN HAS SPOKEN. Well done this weekend dude. Thanks for allowing me to chat with you.
@@hillerfit Thanks👊
Hspus are the single most over done movement for what they test
@@crossfitbohica1644 Explain…
Hiller is definitely back! Thank you!
holy hell money!!!! Thanks Craig. Yes I am back at full mast.
The 5K being 4.5k is more comparable to doing “Murph” as .9 mile, 90 pull-ups, 180 push-ups and 270 squats and .9 mile. Which is significantly different.
It's insanity that they measured it in yards...
@@hillerfitmissed an opportunity to reference the Robin Williams bit about a NASA engineer accidentally programming the Mars Rover in feet instead of meters.
This explains why the times seemed unrealistic to me.
How come the commentators kept saying that they had run a 5km in the morning when they knew that they hadn't?!
They didn't once mention (that I heard) that there had been an issue with measuring the distance and it was in fact short.
Aren't they allowed to be honest in their commentary, inform the viewers what's going on. Sean seemed more open with what he could say years prior.
bike distances are messed up too. for this year I dont know but last year the time vs distance (so speed) made no sens for non professional cyclists
I'm a bit over how hard Crossfit push Annie. No doubt it's amazing what she's done for the sport but she finished 13th. What about all the other amazing women who finished ahead of her that barely get a mention? Migala? Gazan? Powers? It's time to focus on the present and these newer athletes who are crushing it.
I think that is what happens when you have old dogs in the broadcast booth
I don't even think that they talked about Arielle Loewen and she finished 3rd!
Migala? Gazan? Austin Powers? Who are these people? Lemme know when they do something special at the elite level. All sports gravitate to legends. Been that way for thousands of years, since the Olympics. We’re you born yesterday?
But she's competed in 3 decades!!!! ( hoping you get my sarcasm)😊
On this end, let's also mention how on the event where Danielle Brandon won her heat, all the commentators talked about was Paige Powers and the Mayhem team, because Rich Froning was with them . . . Brandon had just worked her ass off and all you could hear was Rich beating the Mayhem drum
I don’t do CrossFit but I find Hiller hilarious so I watched the Games this year for the laughs I knew were coming and this video did not disappoint. I can’t believe nobody has mentioned how many times Stacy Tovar was introduced as “The 2nd Fittest 35 to 39 Year Old Woman in the world”. I think I heard that more than about Annie and 3 decades of competition. 😂😂
This is amazing. Thanks for the coment Josh, and sorry you had to hear them repeat themselves like they tend to do lol
@@hillerfitto be fair, they have to be repetitive to some extent. You can’t assume that people will actually watch the live stream from every day. They were obviously making efforts to speak to new folks who had no idea what was happening. Notice how many times they carefully explained the leader was in red and white, what the scores on top meant, etc. I would like to assume at least SOME of the repetitiveness was due to the intended new audiences.
@@hillerfitHahaha..I saw your Instagram post. You can say 3 people watched it because when it flipped over to ESPN (which was stupid in my opinion) I flipped on the TV (we have DISH for the kid). I never turn on, much less control, the TV so my wife and son actually watched some of those events with me. We were already planning to go to Rogue Invitational in October to watch the Strongman competition but I think we will probably stick around now and watch the CrossFit portion as well. We will never join a box because we have our own well equipped garage gym but from watching your channel and the Games I have see some movements I am going to add to my usual Strongman style training.
I watched every min of all the tests and maybe heard them introduce Tovar 3x. Over 6 days.
@@NavanirunzEXACTLY.. the same happen to the workouts too i watched the whole games and one thing i noticed is that they always explain the workout on every heat eventhough its exactly the same and i think they did that for this exact reason and for the people who are just tuning in. Not everyone can watch the whole thing from start to finish hence the repetitiveness
CrossFit owes both clarification and an apology to the entire sports world over that “5k”. To blatantly short the distance and then flaunt the times on social media is straight up pathetic and makes me question the integrity of the entire sport. Side note - if that’s true about Adler trying to trip Roman, that ain’t cool either. Runners don’t do that.
I saw the 5k times and was blown away, didn’t realize there was controversy around it until yesterday. Makes sense it was shorter than advertised so they definitely need to retract the 5K workout title.
@@bodyweightbob8669 for sure. Call it the cross country run.
HILLERRRRR I MET YOU AND YOU WERE SO NICE! Such a fan! Thanks for everything you do for the sport!
You must have caught me before I was dead!!! hahah where did we bumb into each other?!
@@hillerfit yeah!! the very first day, at the bike course 😂
@hillerfit is a man of the people
Watching the games this year was 1000% better while following along with you and Sevan. Really the only reason I was invested in it 👍
Thanks homie. Now go hit that 10 rep squat!
Let’s be honest. The programming is dictated by the sponsors. Trek wants people to buy bikes so we have a bike race. Rogue wants boxes to buy pigs, alpacas, sandbags, bikes, and bobs. Concept 2 wants to ensure rowers, ergs, and bikes are bought so we gotta have events with them. Barbells were hardly featured. Why? You can get them anywhere. You don’t need the Rogue barbell to compete. But you do need a concept 2 rower for your cals to count, Xebex won’t work. You need an echo bike because assault isn’t it anymore and Schwinn won’t work.
So in the end it feels like things are watered down and compromised not for the best tests, but how CrossFit, a company laying people off and making cuts, can ensure they have sponsors for their flagship event.
I hear you on the bikes, and maybe concept two, but I do have a hard time thinking rogue pushed the sleds and such. You would be on to something if they had a paddle sponsor and then a requiste event.
@@hillerfit btw I wasn’t directing that as a slight towards the vendors. I just imagine them in a meeting with HQ saying, “we would love to sponsor the event, but how does this help us sell more product.” I mean these companies are for profit and looking at their bottom lines.
So I am not saying the companies pushed their stuff as much as HQ programmed to make the products a big part of the games. I mean even you had previously stated your dislike for all the machines in a past video compared to the good old days.
You even in this video said any one can compete in their garage as long as they know the standards. However if the standards become centered around a product and a price point, that is no longer entirely true.
So you have something like street parking giving flexibility within their programming and being brand and equipment agnostic so to speak and they are finding success.
You cant even buy a pig.
@@redefinenj I think you are right and in some measure sponsors have wishlist or in the other way HQ wants sponsor to like them. It's not always hard procedure but money relations are not full of freedom
@@seancarristhebest maybe the pig wasn’t a great example, but I still think sponsors and attempts to please them are driving the programming more than creating a true assessment of the fittest.
Hiller ❤ I love this!! “I hate being wrong so much that I gotta bring it up so that I’m right about being wrong….!” LoL.
I was just freestyling there and was happy the way it ended up Jody lol
I was about to get mad at Annie because it was getting old. They. Just. Kept. Saying. It.
And Moms! Like it is some miracle that Mom's can do amazing things. FfS.
34k views already!! Killing it bro
This might be one of my favourite crossfit games ever and it was purely down to the coverage by the media. You, sevan, Peter and all the crew made it so much more enjoyable 🙌🏼
Agreed with your points!!
Another miss. Could have focused the camera time more on athletes who were on the cut line instead of always showing the heat winner. Also in general, it could add more stories to show other people. I.e. we saw no women running except Emily Rolfe haha. Or the bike ride we only saw Emma. No idea what happened with the crashes etc. missed opportunity for us viewers to be engaged
Thanks for your hard work this weekend!
I enjoyed this video. Hiller always brings that perspective that may be unpopular but it’s rooted in facts, which helps cut through the company line. I think Brandon gets more recognition off her look and attitude rather than performance. You will see 1 or 2 great performances by her, that will get everyone talking, but typically finishes where she finishes at. Justin didn’t look right from the start, reminds me of that natty or not video. Great job man
Idk is that a fair observation when she was fourth last year
Curious what you mean by the natty or not video?
@@hillerfit your video on him was well done, which honestly, the natty or not videos are probably my favorite series that you create. I was referencing a person of his ability and accomplishment really had a rough outing during these games. Even though he wiped on the bike and that might of effected it, he just seemed out classed from the jump. Not taking away from who he is or what he has done, but this was a sharp departure from his past. Made me think of the athletes that are suspect or have been caught on PEDs. His natural ability at a young age is apparent. It made me think of athletes who come off of PEDs and have that sharp decline. Not inferring that he does PEDs or not, I go with your line of he will keep winning until he doesn’t want to.
@@TacticalFish173 exactly what I was thinking.. Bad PED timing
@@TacticalFish173 Same with Hopper..
I definitely felt if there was more pressing (strict hspu) the women’s outcome may have been significantly different.
Laura didn't do well on the one gymnastics test people will argue. But I did say that if there was no strict pressing she would win..
Not really. She obliterated the comp. 5 first place finishes and 1 second place finish.
But she essentially got dead last in the one gymnastic event. She absolutely dominated on the tests given, but had she gotten another bottom place finish, would be a different 1st place finisher.
@@christinaspencer8388 She placed 27th in an event with free handstand pushups. She obliterated the comp. End of story.
@@christinaspencer838827th is far from dead last. If it didn’t include hspu she would’ve gotten top ten in that event. Remove them from inverted medley, put strict in another event(assume she gets last) and she still wins.
I think they really watered the excitement down for the weightlifting event. Think of the snatch performance 2 years ago, the log press at Rogue, or the heavy sandbag cleans. The energy from those events were incredible. Not sure how to tweak it though. It was still fun, but not as exciting as previous years.
It was confusing to follow at first too. Leaving the weight choice up to the athletes took away the suspense and drama
That sandbag lift from 2022 was freaking awesome. I loved it so much. Talk about energy.
Thank you for not disappointing us. My question is WHO does Hippensteel have pictures of ? He wound up on the podium. Wonder how Mr. 4th Place feels about that.
I saw Hippensteel doing overhead press on the short NoBull CrossFit feed. At the time, I called out NoRep due to his lack of elbow lockout at the top and the rest of the comment section was too busy sucking up to him. He clearly dyes his hair but wants to hide behind his age by not doing movements correctly. He must have compromising photos of Boz or Castro.
@@ralphalvarez5465 Dude that would be an insane video. Hip has blackmail
Hippensteel is a weird dude. You can just tell when you see him in person. Very neurotic and obviously self-absorbed
Hippensteel is a gigantic narcissist. It was great when you took him down.
As a marathoner, if a runner steps in another runners shoes in a sanctioned event, he or she is DQ’d as penalty. That should have carried over to the this past weekend.
fantastic video, Hiller. keep
them coming
Thanks homie
Dude thank you so much for this. It’s obviously done in a very hilarious way but it’s so true. I love the sport of CrossFit, but HQ is a joke. The espn deal was ridiculous. In an effort to acquire a new fan base they decide to take a big ole dump on the actual fan base. Kinda like Anheuser Busch 😂
I just can't believe that they didn;t warn anyone. It was sunshine and rainbows, and then no coverage
They did a podcast maybe a night or two before the games w Chase and Adrian and they mentioned espn. I didn't see or hear it anywhere else.
I would love to hear your thoughts on no swim this year and only having barbell in two workouts
I'm fine without a swim. I'm not so fine with the lack of barbells. Maybe a video in itself
Exactly what I was thinking. The lack of barbells.
Comment on ESPN: I had a middle aged co worker tell me they saw the CrossFit Games on ESPN and continued to watch it because they thought it was crazy. I know it pissed off a lot of already CrossFitters but I do think it was brought to a demographic through showing it on ESPN Cable.
I agree with you on this. It was just bad timing with last minute announcement.
Ha! The genie introduction😂 I wasn’t going to download espn but it took too long for CrossFit to upload after the first day and I knew it would get worse as the days went on.
I downloaded the espn app then cancelled my subscription right after the last event because I knew the awards show wouldn’t be on espn. If it cost me $10 way cheaper than a ticket at the games and flights so there’s that 🤷🏻♀️ man this was 🔥 the number 4 Roman taking second, the training camps, etc.
I agree the $10 is fine! Just have to make sure it is simple and you get a lot out of it then too. Glad you enjoyed the list.
Love love love! so happy you are back and have been waiting to hear your comments and see your coverage! Especially love the Roman intervals event rant oh man that got me se mad! Would love to see your ideal programming for these past games! Thank you for your content you never disappoint us fans!
I feel like I'm the only one, but I really liked Stacie on the broadcast..I think it's cause she actually said different things (and while I like the other dudes, they tend to sound like a broken record of about 10 different sentences)
Totally agree with the three decades Annie … yeah yeah yeah … we know because you don’t ever let us forget
Love the list. I agree with the programming. This year lacked the real bang circa 2017 brought. The last 2 years with the gymnastics focus, has CrossFit teetering. Twirls shouldn’t necessarily be criteria for fittest on Earth. I hope Dave takes back over programming and we can get back to business.
Andrew, how is the TRT going? Could you post a TRT Tuesday update video?
Tovar's biggest problem as announcer is that she can't stop saying "I" and "me".
Ooooff
Welcome back!
List looks pretty solid. When are you doing more on the peptides? Love your videos.
Very soon
Agree, every event Woodland mentioned three decades for Annie. Like he had nothing else to talk about.
🤣🤣 those wheels are pre-set to yards. We use them at my work all the time and we always have to make the conversions to whatever unit we need. And regarding the ESPN broadcast, it felt like the script was set for "new viewers" that really didn't know anything about crossfit. Just like how @hillerfit was explaining the workouts to that nice lady during the semifinals.
Ewww I hate scripts. And Crazy fact right there about the preset on the wheels
@@hillerfit I work in college athletics and since ESPN+ became the place to stream our matches, I have learned a lot on why they do the things they do. We have certain standards we need to follow. It's very interesting learning all about their production.
Remember smash that like button - if no one told you today you’re a bunch of absolute legends!!
YES!!!!! lol
Couldn't agree more on the pulling topic. Hopefully that didn't contribute to those back injuries but one has to think...
Potentially that and the extreme use of odd objects
I feel like part of being an athlete is knowing how to reign it in if you feel like youre risking it injury wise. Bethany Flores made it through the events with a glass lower back so if she can I reckon everyone else could've as well. Risk vs reward i guess
@@cammathews5684I was about to say something similar. The difference between Bethany and the others is she knows her limitations and adjusts her expectations while the others don't. She's done A LOT of work to come back from her injuries and I'm hoping she can build on it and come back even better next year.
Im a bit surprised you didnt have more of a opinion on what happened with justin medeiros this weekend
This video is pure gold and I figured you could have expanded more if u wanted especially about the programming..
My goal is to always give something and not be boring! Glad it was something you thought was useful!
The video we all waited for. Hell yeah!
The adaptive & age group should have been showcase more, especially on ESPN. Imagine people at the bar watching a 70 year old and a 13 year old doing a Clean & Jerk.
Trewwww
18:45 missed movie scene opportunity “Its like when I'm right I'm right, when I'm wrong I could been right, so I'm still right cause I coulda been wrong”
Great video. Txs
The cameras only focused on the top 3 or so athletes per event. Other contenders were not highlighted unless they were in place to win. For example the only camera time Brandon got was when she was in the top 3 in an event.
You could say this is a good thing as well, correct?
@@hillerfitI think medeiros fans get butthurt about this cause I know in previous years I’ve gotten bhurt if say Haley or Mal wasn’t shown
It's the same every year.
We have all this technology so you could place a dozen cameras and cover the entire field, so viewers could choose their viewing angle. And yet the broadcasts are no different than 60 years ago.
Sometimes the top athlete in the heat wasn’t even being shown because they were showing the actual overall leader. Meaning you miss the actual race of the event, very obnoxious. Also, at times they could have zoomed out slightly to capture the whole field. Or they were like videoing the top of their heads while doing BMU, terrible view.
You can see on the buttery bros video that Adler was egging Roman on during the 5k for fun. You can clearly see that in jest. Otherwise good video
Love your channel bro, straight up brilliant content and lm new to CrossFit so appreciate your constructive criticism and views, it only makes the community better, shout-out and big respect
Appreciate you homie! Thank you, will keep on!
What happened with Romans coach? I thought I was keeping up but I completely missed that someone fill me it
omg the 5k yards is priceless lmao. Typical Crossfit.
Absolutely 😂😂😂😂 what a joke at this point
Glad you mentioned JR not one of them!!
Re team comp: am I mistaken or is there no TH-cam stream for team day 1? 🤔
I’m a newer person to CrossFit who joined weighing almost 300 lbs. During the pandemic when boxes were all re-opening but my job was still WFH, I decided to change to a place closer to me than my work. I remember every time we’d do Murph or even if coach said, “Go run 400m…” I was gasping for air. Only to learn the huuuuuuuuuge discrepancy between my old gym and the new one 😂
Was it better?!
The new place was a true 400m and the old was 355m. I think maybe one “problem” is the setup at the box for many people who go to a WOD because of the community, the workout and fitness goals vs. trying to qualify for the games. For example, the old gym would say for the 400m, “Run to the flag pole and back” vs. the new place, “Run around the whole complex twice.” They try to make an easy landmark that people can recognize in order to hit that checkmark of run 400m.
The inverted medley looked like it was just something ripped off from FL Grid League 😂
First off, great video and I largely agree!
Three comments:
1) We really don't know whether the 5k was accurate unless we went out and wheeled it ourselves. I think the athletes times are believable for sure. They are in line with the predicted times by JR and TS and seem to correspond to the athletes abilities. Emily Rolfe is a crazy good runner, as is Brent and Lazar. Are there times really off by that much?
2) The camps. I think Mayhem had the best showing by far of the camps. They had the most athletes make the games and had athletes finish in a variety of places. The fact Luke Parker and Sam Cournoyer best Hopper shows the HWPO crew is not doing something right. Seems like Mayhem performed as usual and everyone else faltered.
3) Push v pulling. Every year there is some movement that is under-programmed. Maybe we really should have seen more pushing, but unless it was specifically strict deficit hspu Laura would have still won. There are plenty of other pushing movements where she does fine. Sled pushes, shoulder presses etc. Also, if athletes are that affected by programming that means they have holes that need to be filled. If you want to win the Games, be good at all of the things.
What about the barbell only showing up in 2 events? Doesn’t this seem a little light?
I feel like CrossFit has gotten too cute with their programming. It’s all about something new and different when they could realistically just do more of what we all do in the box.
Agreed. And then they f up the event that you are supossed to do in your affiliate
Name 1 cute workout?
Oh dear, Stacey Tovar was hard to listen to - and she didn’t gel with Sean’s commentary. Big fail
How did Mayhem lose on this? Their camp doesnt feel same to me as the other camps. It feels more like gym & family with athletes who want to be a part of that. HWPO, PRVN, etc seem more built on recruiting the star athletes and or the up & coming athletes.
Wait. What? Adler was trying kick off Roman's shoes and talking sheeeit during the 5k? Lol. I want this to be a story.
Not trying to throw shade on Horvath, but I didn’t think there was any high volume test of hand stand push ups. I was expecting those to show up the last day somewhere.
Welcome back. Bet it Feels good to just be you again!!! Great job at the games though.
Great insights.
Hiller, love your stuff. #10 though…Dan Miller won the 65+ and Hippensteel was 2nd. 👍
Great stuff!
this is your best post to date. absolute FIRE
Couple of honorable mentions- Luke Parker had 6 stitches on his knee, which I assume made the events exponentially harder for him and #2 if it weren’t for the cuts Roman would’ve finished 4-5th instead of 3rd he was very lucky to be able to just stand there and get 20th place finishes
Agree completely with all of this. Only difference from my list to yours is the ESPN coverage would make my top ten. I hate that they don't show the entire event. One night we didn't even get to see the winning time because it happened in an earlier heat! Though the ESPN coverage did give me one of my favorite moments of any CF games when Stacie Tovar called the Ski Bag Event the T-bag Event!!! ROFL. This was possibly one of the worst programmed years I have ever seen. As someone who does a lot of interval work I found it a joke to call the Intervals Event intervals. One rest period does not test your ability to recover adequately. Really bad programming. Wondering if this has anything to do with Dave getting involved in the games rather close to them and a conflict occurring between his vision and Boz's vision.
I feel like crossfit, as a sport, has a huge bias towards upper body pulling movements. but great point about pushing vs. pulling disconnect!
I don’t know if it’s been mentioned in the comments as I can’t quite be bothered reading to see if it has but jay crouch is a prvn athlete and he got 8th place up from 28th last year
He’d prob consider him like Olivia. Jay did PRVN starting post-semi finals
@@lynncollects still all thing aside he did place 20 spots higher than last year
Your point about Roman was excellent! The judge who made him do the extra box jump really screwed up the event for him.
Why was Roman's coach's credentials taken
They should done some dips while on those parallel bars.
I don’t think you can say Roman is the fittest because unfortunately his body didn’t hold up. Sport and injury unfortunate but happens. Adler didn’t break, vellner didn’t break..
Not a big fan of the programming overall, looking forward to Castro having some more input next year!
Roman is a legend none the less, next year should be fun!
Ricky back, Roman, the Canadians, Medeiros with a chip on his shoulder…
Clearly saying that you are Canadian without saying you are Canadian.. surprised you didn't mention Emma Lawson while you were at it 😂😂😂😂
Big assumption there and incorrect! Used their names because they were on the podium?
Injuries happen look at Parker getting 5 stitches in his knee
Spot on with the injury in sports comment.
6 sutures is not even in the same ballpark injury wise as a broken foot. Continuing on with that injury isn’t going to potentially take you out of your future as an athlete. A broken foot in no way takes away someone’s athletic ability, it takes away their ability to compete at the highest level. To say Roman is somehow less athletic/qualified because he got injured is ridiculous.
Love the honesty Andrew! Film it like you see it bro!
And how does Laura do if it’s switched…upper body pressing over pulling
Did you know that Olivia Kerstetter is only 17? They mentioned that almost as much as Annie being there 3 decades.
They mentioned Roman “has met his newborn child for the first time at the Crossfit Games” a couple times too, even though it was last years news.
@@melfarus If only they watched Sevan’s podcast they would of learnt a whole host of interesting things about the athletes to talk about.
finally
man i was feeling empty without some Hiller content!!
Along with the Annie competing in three decades was the commentary on Jonne Koski. "He's won the opening event of the games three times" every time he was on the floor 😂
Hope CrossFit headquarters listen to you. Sooooo true!
One of these days
Andrew, question why every year on the men's side the winner is always a somewhat short guy? It seems like no matter how fit taller athletes are they have no chance....your thoughts?
Good job on the video
Hey Andrew. A question? A lot of people who under preform changed programs last year. Do they need to get used to the program for a year or 2. Can that be the case? And if you see who are alway in the top 5 are people who stay with the same program for years, so the problem is the changing program every year. What do you think?
Spot on!
Annie 3 decades, Stacy Tovar 2nd place... We could have totally made this a drinking game with those two statements alone but everyone would have gotten alcohol poisoning by event three
Do you have any insight with hopper’s demeanor in his last event? He seemed like he didn’t want to try. Is there any beef between him and HWPO?
How about how many times Stacy Tovar exclaimed, “Burn the Boats!!” - in a quasi-pirate accent 😵💫 (pirate accent felt thicker with each time she used the phrase). I was ready to mute the entire rest of the event to get out of hearing her saying that again.
In my opinion, if CrossFit wants to grow and they currently have a limited budget for media (I.e. televising the Games), then next year they should do away with the teams competition (or at least not broadcast it), and instead put that money towards showcasing the age group and adaptive athletes. I feel like that would draw a lot more people to CrossFit and the sport by showcasing these types of athletes instead of just the young studs.
Been waiting for this one 🙌🙏
Wow! That yards vs meters got me! :D :D :D I'm not suprised! :D
Jason Hopper was on a TH-cam channel before the games (maybe buttery Bros, I forget) saying that "he is not crossfit, it does not identify him" "yeah I want to win the CF Games I think as bad as anyone" those words stuck in my head. He didn't sound like a Froning, Fraser, Tia, or Vellner, who you believe when they talk will die to win and KNOW they want it worse than anyone.
I feel that in this sport, you have to passionately love crossfit, and it does need to identify you. You have to be crossfit to get on that podium. Idk. When I heard him talk, I just knew he wasn't even gonna podium.
He’s cocky and overhyped. Is he talented, yes. Overhyped, grossly.
I mostly agree. But Arielle proves that wrong 😂 I love her realness. She said she trains 3-4 hrs in her garage and prioritizes her family. She said she doesn’t sell her soul and give everything. Haha she was shocked every event when she’d place super well bc she doesn’t go to a big training camp and doesn’t know how she’ll do compared to others. So awesome! She actually seems so happy and chill. But yeah agreed about Hopper and I think to be #1 you’ll have to be obsessed
Agre group / adaptive - they also could’ve reached out to UW broadcasting school and gotten students to be the announcers for it. That would’ve been huge for the students portfolio and probably would’ve worked.
Did the commentators say Annie had been around for 3 decades... I didn't catch that 😒 But I'm sure they may have mentioned that Laura Horvath has done some climbing in the past😁
Great video tho Hiller, luckily in the UK we could watch it all on youtube. Would like to have seen a bit more barbell but on the whole I enjoyed it
The point about pulling versus pushing makes a lot of sense when you look at Vellner also. Last year he performed worse than expected and struggled with locking out overhead. This year with lots of pulling, which he is great at, able to get back on the podium.
Thanks for including the Masters broadcasting in your list. To my opinion, probably their biggest fuckup of the season (and there were so many…)
Good list….was waiting for the hippenstill comments lol
Great List, on point.
11. No athlete being able to do a prober KB Clean n Jerk. No jerking at all.
12. Athletes thanking God. Especially when another athlete gets injured and you therefore get a day more in the Games, Mrs. Baker.🤔🙄
Completely agree with the pull to push! Crazy unbalanced. Castro, save us, please! You add strict hspu somewhere, and idt Laura pulls (😂😂😂😂😂) off first.
About the cuts: I don’t buy Dave’s and other peoples argument about “there are cuts in all sports”. Because this is not like other sports. To determine the fittest on earth you need all the tests, and the total result over this broad spectrum of time and modal domains is the result. You don’t need all 100m dash athletes to run 12 races to determine the fastest, because they are doing the SAME THING before every cut! Just like all other sports that include cuts. The thing about the cuts in the CrossFit games is that they are happening in the middle of the race. It’s like if there would be cut lines at 50 and 75 meters in the 100m dash. “If you’re not the best at half the test, you won’t get to complete it”. Doesn’t make sense.
As a former competitive runner, trying to trip or mess someone up isn't something you do. Look up the Zola Budd/Mary Dekker incident from many Olympics ago. I also agree with you that the team comp. is better than the individual but as far as I can tell most people don't agree with us.
How come you think team is better??
@@hillerfit I think one of the reasons I prefer the team comp. is because I started watching the games at a point when R. Froning was at that point in his career(I don't do crossfit myself, I'm just a spectator.) I also like watching to see how well the various athletes on a team have come together and are basically synchronized or in many cases not. I think the second reason goes back to the first. The Mayhem teams that Froning was a part of were incredibly in synch the vast majority of the time. The "super" teams that competed against Froning usually weren't quite as in synch. I think the way to improve the team comp. would be if Froning took over the programing because I think the programing is still mostly at the level of "individual x4" and the qualifiers for team are just sad.(Thank you if you read the whole thing and keep making content people enjoy.)
I wonder too if the calculated fikowski saved roman for the the podium Someone shoukd calculate if he scored one place higher, would he have been on the podium
He had to be 8th or higher, which he was most of the Lunges, but decided to break it 58 times.
I was so close to watching the women’s events with no sound…
Because of Tovar?
@@hillerfit Yes
@@hillerfitshe was that bad? Worse than Tanya Wagner?
@@ralphalvarez5465 Tanya worse than Tovar but not by much. "Country" "Farm girl" killin' 'n gittin it blah blah blah. Sounds like Sarah Palin
Tovar was better than Woodland who had little of substance to say, but it was annoying how she kept pointing out that the athletes were doing this after X many box jumps, etc. Yes, we know, it's a multi-test event.
Honestly I feel like messing up the 5k length is the biggest issue, but yes it was definitely pulling heavy which helped Laura. Honestly think if Roman didn’t get injured he would have beaten Addler regardless of whether there was more pushing or not.