Metzeler Karoo 4 Wet Weather Performance | CA State of Emergency
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- The governor declares a CA State of Emergency and #kylethetireguy is out "testing tires" on his way to work. In this video Kyle pushes the new Metzeler Karoo 4 tire and compares it to his first impressions on the the Karoo 3 back in 2018,
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Greetings Kyle. Thank you for the Video. I have now approx. 6200 km on my Karoo4 Set (890 ADV R) and the back tire is finished. Its still good for some Kilometers on the road but the center is gone...for me this tire is a decent and serious option for anybody who wants a reliable 50/50 tire without loosing too much performance on the road. Once broken in, you forget that you ride a nobby tire and you can lean it all the way down on mountain passes and switch backs. The rain performance is as you show us = very good! i can say that even cold and moist roads in the winter here in Germany are not a problem, it didnt experience any slides and whatsoever.
One thing to keep in mind: if you reach your 6000 km with the rear, you shouldnt go too serious Offroad or Mud/Gras. Then the back will just glue itself and not clean anymore because the thread is not deep enough, but thats with all the nobbies out there.
regards from Germany!
Fantastic feedback! Thanks for sharing. I see wear on the back tire already… but the front looks “new” … we will see!
i did braas bruuhs bro i did almost killed me
Happy New Year Kyle! A very impressive test ride👍 I rode the Karoo4 during my last years 7.200km Balkan trip. On- and off-road. Heat, rain, mud on the tarmac, hillclimbs, downhills, sand (not really my favorite terrain). The tyre performed excellent in all conditions. This year I am going to ride the Nordics via Poland, the Baltics and starting in Finland. Mostly back-country e.g. TET (like TAT). All the way up to Kirkenes. Then back via North Cape down to Sweden to Denmark. And then back to southern Germany. Again on a Karoo4. They have to last approximately 10.000km this time.
Keep up your excellent work and thanks for this vlog.
Ray
Fantastic feedback! Sounds like a blast!
Wow! Over 100 in that rain. You are the man...Those Karoo's are looking pretty good.
They are fantastic in the rain!
Thanks for the review. I had the Karoo 3's they seemed to do good offroad but I never loved the cornering of them on the twisties
Yeah, not much rubber on the ground when leaned over ;)
Great video, always enjoy your reviews. How do you think these would do on a Himalayan? I ride mostly road but the roads around here are shot, full of potholes, mud and gravel from farm entrances and often wet. I ride a bit off the tarmac and plan to get onto some offroad trails next season, grew up on trail bikes and road tyres just never feel 'right'.
Howdy! I just spent 4 days on a Himalayan in South Dakota. FUN! Super FUN! Videos are in the works. What a mountain goat! These Karoo 4 tires would do great on this bike and it is the best wet weather knobbie i have ever ridden. The 850GS in the upcoming videos was on these Karoo 4 tires. Did well as you will see.
@@manybikes will have to give the 4's a shot. Did wonder if a really really heavy tyre would be best, to tame the Himalayans blistering acceleration........
Got to say though the little bike is a lot of fun, lots of smiles per miles. Look forward to your vid, cheers.
It was super fun! I prefer my 390 Adv for CA life as it does 80 - 90 mph with ease due to the 12k rpm redline. That poor Himi did not like 75!
@@manybikes That is their big downside for sure, fast cruising. Our roads are 60 mph for most and 70 for motorway which is just about doable but revving hard for a long journey. They can carry quite a lot as well and still cruise, at their best on backroads, 45 to 60mph. Maybe 65 for all day touring is ok.
But as you said - 'mountain goat', not racing goat!
Another great video Kyle but if you could only have one all round tyre out of the following, which would it be? Metzeler Karoo 4, Bridgestone Battlax AX41 or Dunlop Trailmax Raid on a big ADV bike such as a GS!
So Hard!!! All around would include “decent mileage” … I’d pick a different front and rear ;)
As your testing piles up I'm getting more tempted to run a K4 front to go with my AX 41 rear! I have until spring to decide and by then we will surely have your final thoughts on these to make my decision. Stay safe out there!
Thanks for watching DR Rider. The AX41 is still my favorite tire ... It just wears out quickly. The Karoo 4 is a good option for more mileage.
i had me some metzeler m3 and m5's on my 05 r6 and i loved them! i now have the karoo 4 on my 1290 and i havent really had much time to ride, but i have put a few hundred miles on them and they seem to be good. i have noticed like you mentioned i think in your last video when i came down to Los Angeles from Bakersfield the other month, that the rain grove roads did make it for a little wandering from the tires but they didnt want to wabble. on the i5 they felt great but the i60 the road condition i dont think is as clean so the did drift, now i just need to see if they wabble like the tkc 80's did on hard pulls with the front tire and how i like them in the corners.
Great feedback. I look forward to your results as you get more miles on the tires. My highway wiggle is going away the more miles I log.
Hi Kyle, impressive wet weather review of the Karoo 4, thnx 😀👍🏼
Question: Below you commented that the Motoz Rallz compare the most to the karoo 4.
I am curious about your findings, did you shot also wet weather compilation about the Motoz Rallz?
Thanks in advance.
Update: Hi Kyle, i found your comment regarding wet weather conditions on the Rallz @min 4:40 th-cam.com/video/nkkql9O57To/w-d-xo.html
Any insights if the Rallz can compete the Karoo 4 in such same wheather conditions?
Thnx in advance
Thanks for watching! I have never ridden a knobby tire with as much wet weather traction as this Karoo 4 tire. It was impressive. The RallZ is good, but not that good! Slow it down just a bit and the RallZ will not let you down.
Great content on a great testing day. I would like to see that tire on a rack inside compared to others of its class
Working on it…
Great look at the tires and your Klim Gear.
I’ve been in the Badlands Pro for a couple of years now. They make great gear, although the main zipper can be a fight some times.
I have a One-Piece AeroStitch Roadcrafter that I ran since 08, it lost any waterproof capabilities but what a great commuter suit until it did. That’s when the Klim came into play.
Just picked up a 2022 890 Adventure S and the Avons are good on the road but I’ll have to swap them out for decent off-road riding. I’ll consider these but probably go with the MotoZ.
Thanks for your feedback. I run the Carlsbad or Baja S4 most of the year… but in bad weather the Hardanger is awesome! The MotoZ RallZ is my go-to rear tire.
@@manybikes I’m looking at the warmer weather gear from Klim.
I recently retired so I’ll be riding in warmer weather more often now.
I hadn’t needed hot weather gear until now.
Ha! Ha! Always something!
@@manybikes Isn’t that the truth! I didn’t have the differences in environment when I lived in the Midwest. In the Winter I just didn’t ride so any gear did the trick, for the riding season.
Here I can go from the low 50’s to above 100 degrees F in a single ride.
@@pinkiewerewolf Yes Sir! I run into that all the time! Layers are your friend and even better, heated gear. Love my heated vest!
Kyle, that was an awesome test and I couldn't believe the incredible rain you were riding in especially being in California. You guys never get any rain kind of the same way here in Texas. You need a much louder horn because people can't hear that little horn. I know I had to change the one out on my GSA. I still cannot believe for the amount they want for these motorcycles and they want to put the cheapest horn possible on them! Ride safe.
Yeah, I don’t use the horn often… but every time I do it feels “insufficient” … as for the weather, I’ve been loving it!
@@manybikes Stay safe!
Do my best always…
I've ridden a lot in London, but also Paris, Rome, Marrakesh, and plenty of big cities. I've got a Denali Soundbomb with a compressor mounted under the beak of my Tiger 900 Rally. It is bloody loud and pierces the air conditioned bubbles of most drivers. Dopey pedestrians leap out of their skins and in London, where locals walk about with their noses in their phones and tourists look the wrong way on roads, that horn was a good buy. It was a chore to fit but is now discreetly fitted but I needed a lot of spacers and some metal bending.
Thank you for your feedback! I'll look into it!
I remember that Karoo 3 video 😂. I’d get about 4K vs 3.2k off TKC-80. I’ve seen the K4’s down here in 🇨🇴
The Karoo 3 was a leader and to get 4k out of a rear tire was fantastic! The k60 scout blew all tires out of the water… then the Motoz Adventure was the first in-between tire. 6k miles. Crazy how things have progressed.
HNY! Keep safe friend 🙂
Where are the Karoo tyres made?
Good question! I’ll check the sidewall …
Great video Kyle but please tell me you’re secret on how do you ride seating on two bowling balls 😅. Omg in the rain 🌧️ on the 405. Man of steel balls of steel. Have a great weekend buddy.
Ha! Ha! Ha! I’ve been neutered so no need to “protect the Jewles”…
its funny how metzeler went from a super soft carcass to a stiff as stone and even made the compound hard.
but I suppose the most of the feedback for karoo 3 was that "they WEAR SOOOO FAAAST".
Funny! I was stoked the Karoo 3 lasted 3k miles! Better than the TKC80 that only went 1500 miles! This tire rides nice when new but lessens as it wears out.
Hello Kyle and thank you for the informative videos.
I'm a beginner rider and I'm looking for a set of tyres with good road and great rain performance for my KLE500. In order to get to my home I have to go up an extremely steep uphill road that leads to a (still uphill) right turn (almost a u-turn). The only time I've dropped my bike was on that road on a rainy day when my very old Bridgestones lost traction. Dropped it twice that day. Going downhill in the rain is also a problem for me as my bike does not have ABS.
Do you think the TKC70 Rocks would do well ? I would like to deep my toes into some off roading but I wouldn't prioritize dirt over rain and road. My bike makes almost the same power and weights almost the same as the cb500x.
Thank you in advance.
Thank you for your support. The TKC70 Rocks is a great tire but the new Metzeler Karoo 4 is hands down the best (stickiest) in the wet I have ever ridden (aside from a sport bike rain tire). When it comes to 50/50ish tires... the K4 is the winner I also really liked the Bridgestone AX41 in the rain and snow.
Great stuff, hard to beat those conditions for trying out the rafting characteristics of tires!
What tires would you say are in the top tier when it comes to wet weather out of the 50/50 and more off road-oriented ones?
These tires are top of the list! Anakee Wild would be up there too… the performance drops significantly from there.
@@manybikes Thanks man!!
Yes Sir!
Which motoz compare the most to the karoo 4 ?
The RallZ for sure. If the GPS didn’t have a solid canter strip, it would be closest.
👍. Have u done the wet weather test on motoz gps & adventures? If not can u please?
Yes, but before I was recording the numbers. I need to re-do and add to my list! Thank you for the suggestion / reminder.
@@manybikescheers. For the reply. Yeah it would be good to see / hear your opinion. What would be your choice for a adv tyre on wet roads please?
@@holden3083 this Karoo 4 is hands down the best I have ridden in cold wet weather. The RallZ does well too.
@@manybikes interesting the rallz tyres were fine in the wet. Would have thought the gps & adventures would’ve been better then then rallz.
The RallZ has more silica and is a softer compound than the other two. They wear out quicker but are stickier and work better in the wet in my opinion. "Hybrid compound with Silica for optimum grip in mud and snow" vs the Adventure which is an "Optimized hybrid natural / synthetic compound produces dependable grip in all weather extremes."
how would you compare the Karoo 4 FRONT ONLY to the Dual Venture in terms of: 1 leading edge wear? 2. performance in dirt? 3. performance on street?
Thanks for your inquiry. The Karoo 4 is more stable right out of the gate as its tread depth is much shorter and the blocks are bigger. In the wet, the Karoo 4 excels. Street performance they are similar but I get a wallow on the K4 I don't get on the DV. In the dirt they both hold their own, but I think the Motoz is a bit more aggressive. The fact the DV is reversible is a huge bonus. The K4 might wear weird half way through... but only time will tell on that one.
How interesting, a decent wet weather test, could have done with a bit more water.....NOT, Karoo4 on the front and perhaps a Tourance on the rear for longevity of my R1200GS?
The Tourance / Karoo 4 would be an interesting combo. The rear will slide a bit off-road but it’ll be great for gravel / dirt roads. I like a more aggressive front if I’m running a “less knobby” rear … gotta have traction somewhere ;)
Looks like these will work great for the Pacific Northwest.
Right!!!
did you move back to cali from phoenix?
Yes Sir. This past April the family moved back to CA. We are down in San Clemente now.
@@manybikes you didnt happen to go back to you know who, did ya? the irony of this is, im moving BACK to phoenix haha
Évacuation, evacuation
Thanks ;)