He is on record saying he wanted to take deep, layered tracks and throw dirt on them and strip them down to the bare bones so the lyrics would be the star and people would listen to his message about mental health. Amazing. This and KSG are phenomenal and idk why people always trash them.
The album is gorgeous and it is transparent. People want him to break down every thing he said regarding Trump and Slavery BUT HE ALREADY DID the same day and in the rest of the interview. I do agree his lyrics were a little lackluster but when your listening to Kanye your basically listening to art and have to appreciate it as a whole. The album was great.
Post-808s Kanye is increasingly his true self. He was putting on a show College Dropout - Graduation because hiphop and the greater "black community" never accepted him. He didn't feel free to express him, he never did. You can hear it in College Dropout. He always felt like the outsider, he was the kid with pink polo's and skinny jeans in the Jerseys and baggy pants era. His whole life he's had to balance being himself and being a part of the homogenous community that he is apart of. He has done a ton of work expanding the acceptable identity of a black man and like 808s and Heartbreaks, 'ye' is another great leap forward.
I think he help make it more acceptable to be vulnerable, look at drake and cudi for example and all this auto tune crooning sad rap coming out. Most of these guys say 808s & Heartbreak were big influences on them
7 songs were perfect, no fillers, 7 solid songs that I dont have to skip. Being able to not skip a song on an album, I believe, makes it a amazing album.
Apollo Kreed Right. Believe it or not...a lot of Kanye albums if you really listen to any of his whole albums it all boil down to 7 hot songs anyway. The rest is hit or miss
That's actually really foolish look at life like that lol. Read a book, many successful businessmen will tell you they listen to anyone, and don't judge people's worth by "success." Don't be a simpleton. Please read books.
8:50 how this nigga trying to pull the holier then thou shit on kanye when it took him till he was 17 and had a daughter before he realized women were people too... Like wtf is wrong with you man thats completely fucked up.
murrrmur sorry got to call BS on that...why would any artist sit up here and listen to a bunch of sideline armchair critics? The point ye was really making is the majority of people that want to give opinions and criticize haven’t done shit to be successful in their own lives or they’re building their success on the coattails of real artists. Facts. Yeah And I read a lot and I know that all of the best artists who have a legacy in music history have never given a shit about what lame ass critics say.
The only reason he likes trump is because he’s more selfish than Kanye & likes the idea of having it all like trump appears to be able to do whatever he wants, that’s incredibly lame buddy.
Far too many people want are are stuck on the "college dropout" kanye. Thats not him anymore. It was stated that this album didnt sound like a complete thought. That seems to be the thought....he designed it to not come across as a polished complete thought because that is where he is and if you hear his colleagues talk thats how he relays information right now. This was kanye's 4:44. He is not a rap artist anymore, he is an artist that raps...there is a huge distinction there. Not his "best" (not far from it imo) but FAR from even bringing "his worst" into conversation.
Everyone is complaining about a 7 song album without realising we're getting another 7 from kanye + cudi tomorrow. Thats 14 fresh ye tracks essentially. Plus all the production he's been doing for pusha, nas and Teyana.
Jinx and Rob are the only two from this video that has the etiquette to hold a proper conversation. The girl interrupts constantly and doesn’t let Jinx finish his points. At 17:54 Jinx has enough & didn’t let her cut him off again 😂
This comment is spot on, I’m 25 mins in and they haven’t talked about the music at all. Touched on the lyrics a LITTLE BIT, but no commentary on the music
nobody is telling you what to listen to. To bash an opinion just because a person has a different accent and mispronounced a word is ridiculous. At least attempt to think critically for yourself.
A lot of people might disagree with Kanye’s politics that’s fine... But you can’t say that the man is not a musical aficionado he knows great sampling and how to mix ... The Fucking album is flames 🔥 🔥🔥🔥 7 songs is a small amount... Kanye Album was way better than Cole’s 🍿🍿🍿
i liked them both... cole gave me lots more content to listen to (more songs and consistently way better lyrics) but kanye made every song really intriguingly different and better in quality/production with a crazy vibe. honestly i liked pusha ts album the best and i wasnt even a fan of him before. kanyes production on it is insane 10/10. short like kanyes album, better lyrics, oldschool kanye production and not too experimental.
Ezra Przytyk pusha t album was weak, he literally sounded the same on every song, he must be thanking kanye for the production because that’s all that was good. Cole album was good, it had good lyrics and i liked the way he experimented with a different sound, kanye album was edgy and i felt it was more personal to him rather than trying to appeal to the mainstream, prolly just signaling that he’s at a woke point in his life where he is extremely content with himself imo
yeah i see your point but in terms of listening value i really liked every track on daytona... yes he isnt versatile at all but what he does, he does great and it fits with the beats so well, i think i really liked it because it sounds like a classic album from the 90s. anyways, im not here to argue. this is my opinion and you have yours.
I'm only 10 minutes in and I lost all respect for Jinx and buddy with the dreads. They don't know what it's like to be Kanye, nor were they even attempting to put themselves in his shoes for one second. At a certain point, I'm sure Ye was exactly who we all believed him to be since "College Dropout". But you can see exactly how the industry, the money and the fame effected who he was becoming. Everybody around Kanye, and his fans give him a certain amount of expectations and it fishbowls him into this area of his mind that he wants to get away from. But everybody and every thing around him encourage him to "be this" and "do that". Everybody is hurt by how Kanye expressed his own sense of freedom with the whole MAGA hat shit. But they still haven't been willing to understand where his point of views actually come from.
Ye is one of the most original albums of the year and even if you don’t like his views and points u can’t deny that he speaks his mind and doesn’t let anyone change his music 👏
Xavier Soto I don’t understand how it’s not good I think it’s a beautiful peace of work it’s not put together I felt there were more tracks I fell like kids see ghost might bring it back together
"as a black man we have a different responsibility with our kids..." WHAT? No, every man, of every race has the SAME responsibility: TAKE CARE OF YOUR KIDS. Kanye's Violent Crimes was dedicated to his daughter & a message for ALL fathers out there...not just BLACK fathers 🙄
Personally, I feel like this is musically and emotional one of rawest Kanye albums we’ve had in a while. While the production and is still incredible, it’s a lot more simple and striped away from the glamorous vocal and productional affects. And over the top intense production (not saying I think this is anything bad). And while it may not be the best Kanye album ever, it’s still a very good and well put together album. Lyrically it’s good as well.
808’s & HEARTBREAKS IS KANYE WEST BEST MOST REAL IMPACTFUL IMPORTANT ALBUM NOT ONLY IS IT HIS BEST WORK OF ART ITS THE BEST ALBUM IN ANY GENRE DEADASS..
Lmao this girl is really defending how it’s okay for men to finally humanize women once they have daughters even if it’s in their 40’s.. while two grown ass men are saying it’s not enough and we gotta stop babying men.... the irony
entiice women don’t humanize men either. We treat men in this society like walking ATMs. Neither, gender treats each other like they should. It’s apart of being socialized in this society.
Id say she was being real. These dudes are pretenders saying what they think people want to hear. Instead of commending someone for awakening, they chastize him for taking so long. That type of person is a fraud in my eyes.
This is the equivalent of a man wanting a standing ovation and trophy for pretty much showing up. Calling that comment/realization an awakening is an overstatement.
entiice If that were true. We wouldn't have the issues we're having today. Some would say we dont need laws that say "dont kill". As if it's some intrinsic wrong. But clearly that and this aren't the case.
I think it's a shame that so many people can't see Kanye's self-awareness on Violent Crimes... people out here calling Kanye out but they missed the point of the song
1st)Its an album. Not an apology letter.2) Ye cant really be compared to his other albums. Coz this album was not created to be a commercial album. It was a genuine kanye album. And im pretty sure people really appreciated this album in a whole different way.3) he drops a lot of hints on situations. If he would talk about all the controversy the album would be over saturated
Yeah he actually addressed that he had a whole album done and complete but started all over because of the whole slavery was choice got taken out of context.
8:50 how this nigga trying to pull the holier then thou shit on kanye when it took him till he was 17 and had a daughter before he realized women were people too... Like wtf is wrong with you man thats completely fucked up.
Well to be honest , in my humble opinion , of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view , but also by looking into matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's views and by trying to make it objectified , and by considering and everyone's valid opinion , i honestly believe that i completely forgot what i was going to say
Ye is my favorite kanye album, tied with MBDTF. And if you are wondering, YES I was born in 95 so i grew up on people like Kanye, Wayne, 50 cent, Ludacris. I started listening to Kanye when he first came out and I can appreciate his progression. You guys went into this album thinking it was going to answer for his behavior, but its an album, it s a piece of art. I keep hearing the terms "scattered" "half baked" but hes owing that, hes saying these are his flaws. "scattered" is how it is sometimes, which is how the art can come out. How are ya'll not connecting the dots????? These dudes butt hurt like Kanye is there deadbeat dad giving excuses for not being there.
I agree and am in the same boat. Although I'm a few years younger, growing up in Chicago you already know. I haven't seen any good criticism to say this album is bad. All of the mixed reviews I've seen are from people who can't get over their bias. It's sad people can't break away from that and enjoy a phenomenal album...
Facts!!! This album captured a moment, for me, it showed Kanye, one of my musical idols, go from super arrogant flashy invisible, which I always loved, and show him at his most vulnerable and it humanized him and made it more easy to understand and relate to him.
No, I wasnt into Kanye then, I went back and listened to it when I was 16, 17. But thats how i was with everything, my moms didnt let me watch rated R movies until I was 16 so I always went back "in the crates" for music and movies. Thought they were dope. MBDTF is still better than both of them to me.
It’s crazy how people think they know Kanye personally and are trying to find answers to the problems in HIS life, like we all don’t have problems. Yes we love his albums and admire him but it’s really not that deep. Let that man live. Lol Mouse talking like Kanye is his father that left him at 5 or some shit.
Honestly I'm having a hard time respecting these guys when they didn't attempt to read the context of "slavery was a choice" and are into conspiracy theories about ye
This album is beautiful y’all hatin on this man talking about his personal life, y’all want all music to be fake and about money and sex? Like he’s being real with this album why y’all hating...
Ivanmunozz they’re dissecting the entire album and showing all critiques all coming from people who have been within Kanye since the beginning of his career; not everyone is gonna have matched perfect opinions on things I think it’s important to have a discussion and conflicting opinions should be encouraged.
Speaking as someone who's has IDOLIZED Kanye for years... Kanye is creative and will go down as an anomaly. He is NOT a great rapper or in comps for best lyricist. He's one of the best musicians in the history of music.
Please remember Ye's first albums done in a different time. The last three were done in a digital age where we got the music within a month if not weeks of the album release
I hear what Mouse is saying about the bear albums. I won't say it wasn't him but those albums had definite purposes. He really is a master of his craft. He knows how to be unique but play by the rules just enough to be understood and appreciated accross the board. He knows how to make hits but I don't think he wanted his legacy to be all about that. He wants to challenge the culture even when it makes us feel uncomfortable. Think about it, he has said that he doesn't really like Gold Digger and how Yeezus is a much better album in his opinion than MBDTF. He said he made MBDTF as the "perfect" album because he had to come back with something undeniable. He knows his music is polarizing now and I think it's very intentional. He wants that discussion. Plus his more polarizing stuff tends to be the more influential.
You gotta know what you're talking about if you come onto these shows... Kanye went to Chicago State University, hardly an art school. That's where he dropped out from (yes, he went to an art academy first, but changed to CSU) He says "HBCU vibes" on College Dropout but that's what he took from it. A State school in an area with a large African-American population, *hmmm could there possibly be AA fraternities??????* I went to a State school in the Bay Area and we had AA frats. This guy wears a shirt that says "how can I offend you today?" but I get the sense that he's the one looking for offense in people's words.
Then he says only Ghost Town is worthy of radio play... How you claim to know music???? Yikes is the easiest song off that album to take to radio RIGHT NOW. That song is in line with the "hype" music wave dominating the air waves currently
Holy fuck 29:10 How this man say Swimming Pools by Kendrick is not made for the radio??? Good Kid MAAD City had like 6 radio singles. Then he said King Kunta is not for the radio. Hmmm, it was the only song off TPAB that was radio friendly (not including the single edit of "i"). Not even "Alright" was a radio friendly song, and that was the most culturally impactful track.
Francisco Alvarado I thought the same thing when he said “where did he get the HBCU vibes? Wtf is he talking about. As if going to an HBCU is the epitome of blackness
It is. At least it is the only song from the album that really gets me, I really like the synths on that one. Cudi's verse is just fucking annoying on Ghost Town. So out of tune.
With his line about sway - I interpret it as sway at the time told him in his own way slavery to corporations was a choice & he completely refused to believe in sways words. But now, he came to realize that (mental) slavery was a choice - slavery to a 9-5, to corporations (Yeezy his billion dollar baby is an expression of his current freedom) and he phrased his current view of freedom in a super shocking way (true) BUT if everyone steps away from their feelings about slavery for a minute, they’d understand he was not really speaking about slavery but mental slavery. Even that is questionable since not everyone has access to education, but we’ve seen people born in extreme poverty make because they cut their mental chains lose and learned their way to the top.
By the way when Yeezus came out he thought himself as a slave, buying new chains, etc. (also I think Yeezus is like the Rick Owens of hip hop albums - like WOW, rockstar, avant-garde, crazy)
And I also think Ye is the polar opposite of Yeezus. Yeezus is about rage, pretending to godhood and Ye is like the dissolution of Kanye’s ego, after going through personal trauma and 💩
I think his scattered thoughts made a beautiful energy. In my life recently I've come to the conclusion where I don't believe in good or bad energy. But him being honest and giving his truth in this album will help a lot of people dealing with stuff in their minds, and that's the most beautiful part for me. If you have a mental illness or you're over all just dealing with something, you are not sicker than a normal person, you've just being categorized to something, and that should not stop you from doing stuff. Get purely out of your mind and give your truth to the world cause it's beautiful.
I don’t get people saying this album has high production. I like the album but this is the most minimal production Kanye has ever done. On ‘all mine’ there is a point when there is literally only an 808 and Kanye’s bare voice. Most of the tracks sound like he just recorded his voice over things and the low end on the kicks doesn’t come through at all.
I agree, men should not have an epiphany to respect women at 40 years old. That is way tooo old. Why are women expected to mature early in their lives but men are commended for maturing really late in their life. I am disappointed the only woman in the panel is the only one giving men an excuse. How pitiful lol!
Amarachi Duru I don’t believe it’s giving an excuse I do believe she’s saying people don’t learn at the same time and they’re not supposed to. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t taught but it may have just now resonated with him until his daughters. Mouse learned at 17 because he had a daughter then. Kanye learned later when he had his own daughter. We can’t blame Ye for not having his child at 17 or not making the same decisions that led to that growth earlier in his life.
Kris Jackson It shouldn’t take you having a daughter to respect women.That is ridiculous.Womem never say once I had a son I started to respect me.People are people, you should be raised to respect people period!
DUGGA 666 You don’t have to want to wife up or date women who dress provacative. But you should respect everyone. Respect does not equal wife up. It’s in the Bible, Jesus respected even the prostitutes. You should respect everyone on a basic humane level. How does this go back to me wanting to be a victim. Where is the correlation? I’m serious, what is your point there?
The thing people don't understand about bipolar is that it's a personality disorder that the mood last a good time like 3 to 4 days of just being sad and that's minimum, your chemical imbalance can stay the same for years. It's honestly the worst mental condition normal people can get because I feel that depressed people can learn how to deal with it because there either normal or depressed but they don't know the highs of bipolar and the only thing close to it is cocaine and the high last for days of no sleep and you overspend and it just sucks and then the lows come in and often this creates bipolar to do drugs like cocaine to be able to reach that high.
"ye" was an unapologetic approach to the real kanye, the struggles he faces behind closed doors and his perspective on that. If you're complaining about you "don't wanna hear his rants" then you have no place judging the man and his art. The production was insane, the way he used the other artists contributions as instruments, the soul behind the album is unravelled, It's easy to listen from start to finish (repeat) and I know damn well we'll be playing ghost town and violent crimes to all our children. Y'all are misinformed/hating and worst part is you'll change your minds off camera, talmbout "iTs bAD"
I personally think Kanye isn't a "short album" guy. Him being so scattered minded & a genius producer w/ so many sounds on his belt, this album should've been longer. He has a lot of pockets he can go in & out of seamlessly, which is why his album never seem as long as they are until you look at the tracklist. Listening to this, I'm don't all the way "feel it" until I'm 3/4 of the way in & once that feeling of "okay I see where it's going" comes, it's over. Not a bad project, I just wanted more to fully flush out what he is trying to convey.
Richard Justice II I agree with the OP, most artist yes trim the fat gimmie 7 but from kanye the goat I want a full 11-13 tracks. He don't give us much fat on his projects except tlop and yeezuz
Nothing personal, but it's been 5 min I'm in and this girl is interrupting way too often a interesting thought... ffs they respected your turn, return the goddamn favor
I don’t give a good goddamn about this album. But I do wanna see y’all link up again to talk about this summer’s albums, dope panel. Make it happen Genius!!
As an artist myself I think this is one of Kanye's best works, and funny enough the reason I love it is the same reason y'all say you don't like it. It's scattered and raw and unfiltered and EXTREMELY current, like it was finished the same day it dropped. I don't like shit extra polished and cleaned up because that's not real: human error is what makes it the most relatable. D'Angelo's Voodoo is my favorite album and he purposely took advantage of human error in the cadence, singing, and lyrics. I like Kanye the person: bipolar, not politically correct, unfiltered & wild. I won't say this is his best album, but it feels like the most true to self Kanye album he's released, and that's why (as an artist) I give it an A+. Making art isn't always about everyone else's opinion, it's about expressing yourself honestly, and that's exactly what ye did.
Kanye didn’t say he wanted to be on radio, let me put this back into context. Charlamagne asked what caused you to break down . To which kanye responded with a slew of reasons from the residual hate from Taylor Swift, the pressures of the fashion industry, the pressures of the music industry especially with him being THE KANYE WEST, and he just happened to mention the competition between his peers, he said not that he wants to be on the radio but that he sees others being more successful and he felt as if he was trapped in this mindset that he was supposed to be KANYE WEST and he felt as if he was being drowned out ,a mindset caused by that mental crutch, which caused him to break down amongst other things. Please get this in context I wish others would stop misinterpreting this
If you understand this then you’ll understand why he’s so diametrically opposes this idea of a perfect individual who has to do everything right at all times, something he has mentioned as one of the things he thinks made it harder for Obama to do what he actually wanted to do, but of course people twisted that again into “He hates obama” . I know it sounds repetitive but alot of things kanye says will go over your head if the utmost attention is not given, I watched that interview about 2-3 Times to even really get the points he was trying to get at
Most of Jinx's and Mouse Jones's "criticism" stems entirely from their inability to just let go of the past. It's ignorance hidden under the guise of articulation and development, but these guys can't let go and accept the fact that he was never the bear. They haven't accepted the fact that we know literally nothing about Ye, only what he's let us see over the years. He's imperfect. He's either always been bipolar, or became so when his mother died, we just don't know. His tendency to give off half-baked writings and ideas has always been an issue, this album is a body of art it's not meant for you or me. it's just a man laying aspects of his life he doesn't even fully understand out as best he can in a short period of time, and why should we fault him for it, we're ultimately the ones who choose to listen. i'm not saying we should love it, but we should understand the body of work for what it is, not what it failed to be or could've been. Sonically, it's a fucking master piece, Jones and Jinx have the nerve to underrate the production. Calling it "expected". They probably have probably never touched an instrument, learned a chord, or spent hours chopping up that sample till you get the right sound. All of the songs except Yikes, are master pieces of production. Jones said he wants polish, clean, articulate sounds and lyrics, well that's selfish, Ye is literally just getting back from a mental break down, I didn't hear anyone mention that. Some bitch is gonna say this is dick riding, but noones perfect homie. i don't like to judge and thats what these guys did too much of. The comments kep shitting on the woman, but without her Jinx and Mouse's seemingly intelligent discussion would've fooled you guys into believing their load of shit. Torrez the only one on the panel understanding of his mental disability and how fans just want the “hot shit” and not the complexities that comes with being a generally hated superstar, pulled in 50 directions, having hundreds of families that depend on your success and sanity, Jones being a perfect example of this. They do mention the interviews he's done, but spend mere seconds on it preferring to resort to the judgement of Ye rather than understanding These are not music critics, Torrez the only one with actual industry pull is being shit on. Formulate your own opinion, half of these comments are literally just praising the echo chamber without even realizing it. And the echo chamber of Jinx, Jones, and just finding stuff to hate. You may not like the person, but music is art and a key to "good" art is emotion which is what kanye did with this album and i'm impressed.
When you make declarative statements and then not give context to those statements that leaves any artist regardless of medium or genre to be critiqued. Kanye had surface level lyrical delivery on Ye and if people chose to critique him for that then I think that’s fair. Sonically, I agree with you it’s wonderfully produced and it’s very fitting for the subjects that Kanye tries to tackle. However, the writing and story telling on the album is weak and at points very cringy (especially the last song). That’s my own subjective, opinion though. And we can’t look at this album in a vacuum. If Kanye goes on a entire press circuit and makes outrageous claims without explanation (which is a theme in the album as well) it’s only rational for people to want to find answers in the music. Kanye doesn’t HAVE to give his audience answers but I would argue then why make the art at all?
Jinx reminds me of MKBHD in all the best ways. He has a calm demeanor, is eloquent and all his opinions feel well thought out. Could listen to that guy talk for hours.
1) Kanye scrapped his original album and started all over. So, these songs were rushed but that is what makes it so beautiful. I really enjoyed the album. It was raw. I liked the rawness of it. Now, is it his best...no but it's better than most. 2) As for Violent Crimes.....best song on the album for me. But, for you guys to expect Kanye to be where you are when you had a daughter at 17 vs Kanye having a daughter at approx. 35 is silly. Men often don't change until they get that daughter, so it depends on the age you get your first daughter. Also, just because he has this song on this album doesn't mean he JUST changed. You can change in 2016 and create a song about it in 2018.
The album is deep, honest and surprisingly uplifting. The album is thought-provoking and makes you contemplate life. It opens up dialogue on topics about family, mental health, and masculinity. Absolutely 🔥
#1. MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED FANTASY #2. THE COLLEGE DROPOUT #3. LATE REGISTRATION #4. GRADUATON #5. YE #6. THE LIFE OF PABLO #7. YEEZUS #8. 808S & HEARTBREAK
that Wire quote tho. "You want it to be one way but it's the other way." Jinx is mad intelligent. Rob has hilarious one liners lmao. Genius please make Jinx like a permanent guest or something. this guy drops so many gems.
The Genius community and show not seeing the Genius of "I thought about killing you" as a response to Drake isn't Genius at all. He calls him out directly. More directly than No Mistakes
Idunnoman i think is album is really good. "Oh don't bring that up that gon get me sentimental/every time something happen they want me sent to mental" oof
How does 'ye' rank among Kanye's discography?
It’s ok
1.Mbtdf
2.College dropout
3.Graduation
4.808
5.Late registration
6.Ye
7.TLOP
8.Yeezus
third best after college dropout and late registration
top 5
Genius it's a great album. Wouldn't leave made me tear up. It's not his best though, I don't think I'll spend as much time as this as on MBDTF or TLOP
The fact you all picked different albums as your favorite album .. shows he is one of the greatest all time
Ye the goat of this gen
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Shorty likes College Dropout cuz she's the lightskin friend look like Michael Jackson.
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So My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy isn't even a contender for best album of his discography?! Come on now.
Luffy1045 not a ye fan but that was one of his best in my opinion
It was his best
I know right! I was dead ass shocked.
masterpiece
MBDTF is one of the best albums I’ve ever heard from any artist, period.
Kanye get criticized for good production....SMH
lol how this debate longer than the Album
Africa Supreme Exactly!
hahaha shit is boring
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they're talking about unfinished thoughts. the album says "bipolar" on it. unfinished thoughts is the whole point
ahead of your time fr, still tryna tell people this
He is on record saying he wanted to take deep, layered tracks and throw dirt on them and strip them down to the bare bones so the lyrics would be the star and people would listen to his message about mental health. Amazing. This and KSG are phenomenal and idk why people always trash them.
I really want the girl to stop cutting people off while they’re in the middle of talking 😬😩
Olivia B comment on this so they give her the q
Olivia B right???
Olivia B init
Jinx’s thoughts on the project were so well put together and brought up compared to hers too.
Olivia B she is almost disrespectful with it too. Let people finish their thoughts... damn!
The album is gorgeous and it is transparent. People want him to break down every thing he said regarding Trump and Slavery BUT HE ALREADY DID the same day and in the rest of the interview. I do agree his lyrics were a little lackluster but when your listening to Kanye your basically listening to art and have to appreciate it as a whole. The album was great.
I lost track of how many times the woman cut everyone off.
Post-808s Kanye is increasingly his true self. He was putting on a show College Dropout - Graduation because hiphop and the greater "black community" never accepted him. He didn't feel free to express him, he never did. You can hear it in College Dropout. He always felt like the outsider, he was the kid with pink polo's and skinny jeans in the Jerseys and baggy pants era. His whole life he's had to balance being himself and being a part of the homogenous community that he is apart of. He has done a ton of work expanding the acceptable identity of a black man and like 808s and Heartbreaks, 'ye' is another great leap forward.
I agree with everything you wrote till you said " He has done a ton of work expanding the acceptable identity of a black man " That's is just not true
I think he help make it more acceptable to be vulnerable, look at drake and cudi for example and all this auto tune crooning sad rap coming out. Most of these guys say 808s & Heartbreak were big influences on them
7 songs were perfect, no fillers, 7 solid songs that I dont have to skip. Being able to not skip a song on an album, I believe, makes it a amazing album.
Apollo Kreed Right. Believe it or not...a lot of Kanye albums if you really listen to any of his whole albums it all boil down to 7 hot songs anyway. The rest is hit or miss
There are plenty albums like that, longer than 7. He just had a weak lineup.
@@xaiikuu7955 ghost town, violent crimes and no mistakes are some of the best songs ever made.
“I don’t take advice from people less successful than me” -ye.
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That's actually really foolish look at life like that lol. Read a book, many successful businessmen will tell you they listen to anyone, and don't judge people's worth by "success."
Don't be a simpleton. Please read books.
8:50 how this nigga trying to pull the holier then thou shit on kanye when it took him till he was 17 and had a daughter before he realized women were people too... Like wtf is wrong with you man thats completely fucked up.
murrrmur sorry got to call BS on that...why would any artist sit up here and listen to a bunch of sideline armchair critics? The point ye was really making is the majority of people that want to give opinions and criticize haven’t done shit to be successful in their own lives or they’re building their success on the coattails of real artists. Facts. Yeah And I read a lot and I know that all of the best artists who have a legacy in music history have never given a shit about what lame ass critics say.
The only reason he likes trump is because he’s more selfish than Kanye & likes the idea of having it all like trump appears to be able to do whatever he wants, that’s incredibly lame buddy.
Far too many people want are are stuck on the "college dropout" kanye. Thats not him anymore. It was stated that this album didnt sound like a complete thought. That seems to be the thought....he designed it to not come across as a polished complete thought because that is where he is and if you hear his colleagues talk thats how he relays information right now. This was kanye's 4:44. He is not a rap artist anymore, he is an artist that raps...there is a huge distinction there. Not his "best" (not far from it imo) but FAR from even bringing "his worst" into conversation.
cleveland dean 3rd best behind BDTF and College Drop Out
Cease600 ur opinion u can keep it
@@jermoosekek1101 that's a shit opinion hope ur taste has evolved in the two years
@@barcodescanner3214 I’m taste gravitates more to the more robust music, I’d say BDTF, College Dropout, and Jesus is King
@@jermoosekek1101 oh Jesus Christ (literally get it hehe) ur taste has devolved
Everyone is complaining about a 7 song album without realising we're getting another 7 from kanye + cudi tomorrow. Thats 14 fresh ye tracks essentially.
Plus all the production he's been doing for pusha, nas and Teyana.
I like how they got people that *actually* know what they’re talking about
jinx is underrated
6 Jinx is the best
They gotta keep these kinda group coming @genius we will watch
Ole girl should've did her research and listened more. Cutting people off left and right.
peace22luv1 cutting folks off and still added nothing of substance smh
if anything the mouse jones guy was being a dick and cutting people off not her
Ye's best album was my beautiful dark twisted fantasy .
Alex Robles best cover 😂😂
facts. No one talked about it at all like tf
I like Late Registration
Jinx and Rob are the only two from this video that has the etiquette to hold a proper conversation. The girl interrupts constantly and doesn’t let Jinx finish his points. At 17:54 Jinx has enough & didn’t let her cut him off again 😂
Focused too much on the man and not the art. Ye was a beautiful album.
Exactly, they barely talked about the album
Marvin Gamez That’s his fault
This comment is spot on, I’m 25 mins in and they haven’t talked about the music at all. Touched on the lyrics a LITTLE BIT, but no commentary on the music
Shot By Nolan
No, to do an album review you need to actually talk about the album.
[mari]- girl groups They’re talking about album made by the man
"pacifically what do you mean"
Exactly
Came to the comment section pacifically for this.
And this is a person who makes decisions about what we should be listening to
Lmao
nobody is telling you what to listen to. To bash an opinion just because a person has a different accent and mispronounced a word is ridiculous. At least attempt to think critically for yourself.
A lot of people might disagree with Kanye’s politics that’s fine... But you can’t say that the man is not a musical aficionado he knows great sampling and how to mix ... The Fucking album is flames 🔥 🔥🔥🔥 7 songs is a small amount... Kanye Album was way better than Cole’s 🍿🍿🍿
i liked them both... cole gave me lots more content to listen to (more songs and consistently way better lyrics) but kanye made every song really intriguingly different and better in quality/production with a crazy vibe. honestly i liked pusha ts album the best and i wasnt even a fan of him before. kanyes production on it is insane 10/10. short like kanyes album, better lyrics, oldschool kanye production and not too experimental.
coderedtonio you know you wildin for saying it’s 🔥 knowing damn well you not gonna listen to any of these tracks past the week it came out
Ezra Przytyk pusha t album was weak, he literally sounded the same on every song, he must be thanking kanye for the production because that’s all that was good. Cole album was good, it had good lyrics and i liked the way he experimented with a different sound, kanye album was edgy and i felt it was more personal to him rather than trying to appeal to the mainstream, prolly just signaling that he’s at a woke point in his life where he is extremely content with himself imo
No
yeah i see your point but in terms of listening value i really liked every track on daytona... yes he isnt versatile at all but what he does, he does great and it fits with the beats so well, i think i really liked it because it sounds like a classic album from the 90s. anyways, im not here to argue. this is my opinion and you have yours.
I'm only 10 minutes in and I lost all respect for Jinx and buddy with the dreads. They don't know what it's like to be Kanye, nor were they even attempting to put themselves in his shoes for one second. At a certain point, I'm sure Ye was exactly who we all believed him to be since "College Dropout". But you can see exactly how the industry, the money and the fame effected who he was becoming. Everybody around Kanye, and his fans give him a certain amount of expectations and it fishbowls him into this area of his mind that he wants to get away from. But everybody and every thing around him encourage him to "be this" and "do that". Everybody is hurt by how Kanye expressed his own sense of freedom with the whole MAGA hat shit. But they still haven't been willing to understand where his point of views actually come from.
Ye is one of the most original albums of the year and even if you don’t like his views and points u can’t deny that he speaks his mind and doesn’t let anyone change his music 👏
where u at definetly gotta respect it, doesn’t make it good.
Xavier Soto I don’t understand how it’s not good I think it’s a beautiful peace of work it’s not put together I felt there were more tracks I fell like kids see ghost might bring it back together
Um he literally redid his entire album after the TMZ interview. “Doesn’t let anyone change his music” my ass
A carson Out of all of kanyes discography, I personally didn’t like it. It’s a really vulnerable album no doubt, but sonically I wasn’t enjoying it.
n0b0dy_ep1c how u kno that?
"as a black man we have a different responsibility with our kids..."
WHAT? No, every man, of every race has the SAME responsibility: TAKE CARE OF YOUR KIDS.
Kanye's Violent Crimes was dedicated to his daughter & a message for ALL fathers out there...not just BLACK fathers 🙄
Mega0003000 are you black?
Triston Crowl yep. Ain’t got no kids tho
Second question, are you a man?
Triston Crowl yeah
Mega0003000 you can’t possibly be black if you say “yep” lol
Can she please stop interrupting everyone...
Kanye broke a matrix many ppl still want to live in.
Personally, I feel like this is musically and emotional one of rawest Kanye albums we’ve had in a while. While the production and is still incredible, it’s a lot more simple and striped away from the glamorous vocal and productional affects. And over the top intense production (not saying I think this is anything bad). And while it may not be the best Kanye album ever, it’s still a very good and well put together album. Lyrically it’s good as well.
Skrttt lyrically? lmao
Alexander Jackson Kanye had some witty lines, not saying it was amazing it was just good lyrically, it’s straight
Isn’t this stolen from Anthony Fantano’s review
I personally love Ye and MBDTF but 808s heartbreak and graduation got places in my heart
🙌🏽
1.tlop 2.lr mbdtf 3.808s 4.ye cd 5.yeezus
Late registration
808’s & HEARTBREAKS IS KANYE WEST BEST MOST REAL IMPACTFUL IMPORTANT ALBUM NOT ONLY IS IT HIS BEST WORK OF ART ITS THE BEST ALBUM IN ANY GENRE DEADASS..
1. college dropout .2 late registration . 10 graduation 6. dark twisted fantasy
It's good you normies, Anthony was in the yellow flannel.
Some body MELON
hes the only review that matters
he didnt even like it
hddd he gave it 8/10 and said he loved it
I really liked his review. I never understood when he recreated the album with farts, but thats just me i guess
Lmao this girl is really defending how it’s okay for men to finally humanize women once they have daughters even if it’s in their 40’s.. while two grown ass men are saying it’s not enough and we gotta stop babying men.... the irony
entiice women don’t humanize men either. We treat men in this society like walking ATMs. Neither, gender treats each other like they should. It’s apart of being socialized in this society.
Id say she was being real. These dudes are pretenders saying what they think people want to hear. Instead of commending someone for awakening, they chastize him for taking so long. That type of person is a fraud in my eyes.
This is the equivalent of a man wanting a standing ovation and trophy for pretty much showing up. Calling that comment/realization an awakening is an overstatement.
entiice If that were true. We wouldn't have the issues we're having today.
Some would say we dont need laws that say "dont kill". As if it's some intrinsic wrong. But clearly that and this aren't the case.
I think it's a shame that so many people can't see Kanye's self-awareness on Violent Crimes... people out here calling Kanye out but they missed the point of the song
1st)Its an album. Not an apology letter.2) Ye cant really be compared to his other albums. Coz this album was not created to be a commercial album. It was a genuine kanye album. And im pretty sure people really appreciated this album in a whole different way.3) he drops a lot of hints on situations. If he would talk about all the controversy the album would be over saturated
Yeah he actually addressed that he had a whole album done and complete but started all over because of the whole slavery was choice got taken out of context.
Thank you
Mike Prc YES EXACTLY
well said.
The side eye that Mouse was giving TT when she was talking about Hot 97 had me weak.
ye is amazing, it shows Kanye's perspective
Stro Videos we live in a society
"If you ain't drivin' while Black, do they stop you?
Will MAGA hats let me slide like a drive-thru?"
that line was off daytona and was better than all of ye
Facts their doing too much 😂😂
8:50 how this nigga trying to pull the holier then thou shit on kanye when it took him till he was 17 and had a daughter before he realized women were people too... Like wtf is wrong with you man thats completely fucked up.
Well to be honest , in my humble opinion , of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view , but also by looking into matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's views and by trying to make it objectified , and by considering and everyone's valid opinion , i honestly believe that i completely forgot what i was going to say
ExpiredTwinkies lmfaooo
ExpiredTwinkies fucked up century you need to explain it like everybody is your mother, and be careful oh somebody gotta be offended
Don't be afraid to offend.
ExpiredTwinkies hahahahahaha
Jesus let the man talk stop interrupting every one damn
For real, you can't come to an understanding when you don't let each other finish sentences.
MBDTF. Y'all trippin. His first three albums are classics but MBDTF is the closest thing to perfection.
Kanye is a genius, don’t hate the man solely on his political beliefs
Nio L word
Politics should be in no way involved in music, it has already separated people and caused hate.
he just likes trump, not his policies
He’s not a genius. Even if he was, album isn’t. Also, everyone consumes music differently, everyone don’t have to like his shit. Honestly its ass!
Marr Tinnn Thank you! The masses are dumb, they'll eat anything you shove down their throats.
that woman was being a contrarian for no reason. so annoying...breaks up genuine dialogue.
THIIIIIIIS! Just assuming the motives behind what they saying are negative just because they are valid critiques she doesn't agree with.
i actually agreed with most of what she said. she doesn't have to have the same opinion as everybody else
stfu she was right
Stfu. She and you are wrong
If you agreed with what she said, and taken by the fact that “Ye” is in your name, you’re part of the problem
Ye is my favorite kanye album, tied with MBDTF. And if you are wondering, YES I was born in 95 so i grew up on people like Kanye, Wayne, 50 cent, Ludacris. I started listening to Kanye when he first came out and I can appreciate his progression.
You guys went into this album thinking it was going to answer for his behavior, but its an album, it s a piece of art.
I keep hearing the terms "scattered" "half baked" but hes owing that, hes saying these are his flaws. "scattered" is how it is sometimes, which is how the art can come out. How are ya'll not connecting the dots?????
These dudes butt hurt like Kanye is there deadbeat dad giving excuses for not being there.
I agree and am in the same boat. Although I'm a few years younger, growing up in Chicago you already know. I haven't seen any good criticism to say this album is bad. All of the mixed reviews I've seen are from people who can't get over their bias. It's sad people can't break away from that and enjoy a phenomenal album...
Facts!!! This album captured a moment, for me, it showed Kanye, one of my musical idols, go from super arrogant flashy invisible, which I always loved, and show him at his most vulnerable and it humanized him and made it more easy to understand and relate to him.
You listened to College Dropout and Late Registration when you were 9 and 10? 🤔
No, I wasnt into Kanye then, I went back and listened to it when I was 16, 17. But thats how i was with everything, my moms didnt let me watch rated R movies until I was 16 so I always went back "in the crates" for music and movies. Thought they were dope. MBDTF is still better than both of them to me.
It’s crazy how people think they know Kanye personally and are trying to find answers to the problems in HIS life, like we all don’t have problems. Yes we love his albums and admire him but it’s really not that deep. Let that man live. Lol Mouse talking like Kanye is his father that left him at 5 or some shit.
TheRamboss and people love bringing up his dead mother like they knew her in real life shit is crazy smh
Honestly I'm having a hard time respecting these guys when they didn't attempt to read the context of "slavery was a choice" and are into conspiracy theories about ye
Corsican Rose TRUE!
I hate it, it’s awesome.
This album is beautiful y’all hatin on this man talking about his personal life, y’all want all music to be fake and about money and sex? Like he’s being real with this album why y’all hating...
I agree with the lady sayin it’s his personal thoughts and it’s real
I feel like people only like a certain version of kanye, like the egomaniac on mbdtf and yeezus instead of accepting him whole and as a human being
Ivanmunozz they’re dissecting the entire album and showing all critiques all coming from people who have been within Kanye since the beginning of his career; not everyone is gonna have matched perfect opinions on things I think it’s important to have a discussion and conflicting opinions should be encouraged.
i dont like it. i dont care about his personal life. he has nothing to do with me
LOL so you like no music at all?
Speaking as someone who's has IDOLIZED Kanye for years...
Kanye is creative and will go down as an anomaly. He is NOT a great rapper or in comps for best lyricist. He's one of the best musicians in the history of music.
Freddy Rodriquez chill, he doesn't even play an instrument
Producing 20+ albums > playing an instrument
REVEN6E and to throw it out there he actually can play a few
she said, "what do you mean Pacifically, when you say it's half baked?" lol
perkuskamui omg I thought I was the only one that noticed that
Yeah I was thinking Atlantically tbh
urgh, the worst, like duuuh!
LOL I NOTICED THAT
You can hear Kanye's growth within Ye
too me ye dumb test listing sound bad dumb problem stupid album
kanye old mss college dropout late registration classes and graduation album classic favorite album hip-hop real poetry
I haven't liked the last 2 Kanye albums but this one is 🔥🔥
Plus shout out to Genius for actually talking about the music
man i liked yeezus alot
I like pablo
How can you not like Life of Pablo but you like this album. When this album is most similiar to Life of Pablo
A E O N I A N
Ye is more consistent than tlope
How tf can you not like TLOP?!
Not only was shorty interupting everyone, but she said "Pacificly" I'm done
If you're reading this, I hope you're having a blessed day
Yxng Trapinese thanks bruh
thanks bro, you too tho
My beautiful dark twisted fantasy is the best to me
zjDallas bug Facts, flawless album
Legendary era
It sure is, then Graduation, CD, so on and so on
zjDallas greatest album of that decade
Leave Jinx and replace these 2 fools 🤦♂️
'ye' has 0 bad songs. My mind CANNOT be changed. It's a great fucking album.
Please remember Ye's first albums done in a different time. The last three were done in a digital age where we got the music within a month if not weeks of the album release
I hated Yeezus for the first month that it came out. Then I switched and ended up loving it. Blood on the Leaves is incredible.
this album is great man, like perfect mix of everything. out of all his albums this is directly in the middle of all of it. amazing.
Yes, it's a combination of all the previous albums
Not at all.
I hear what Mouse is saying about the bear albums. I won't say it wasn't him but those albums had definite purposes. He really is a master of his craft. He knows how to be unique but play by the rules just enough to be understood and appreciated accross the board. He knows how to make hits but I don't think he wanted his legacy to be all about that. He wants to challenge the culture even when it makes us feel uncomfortable. Think about it, he has said that he doesn't really like Gold Digger and how Yeezus is a much better album in his opinion than MBDTF. He said he made MBDTF as the "perfect" album because he had to come back with something undeniable. He knows his music is polarizing now and I think it's very intentional. He wants that discussion. Plus his more polarizing stuff tends to be the more influential.
You gotta know what you're talking about if you come onto these shows... Kanye went to Chicago State University, hardly an art school. That's where he dropped out from (yes, he went to an art academy first, but changed to CSU)
He says "HBCU vibes" on College Dropout but that's what he took from it. A State school in an area with a large African-American population, *hmmm could there possibly be AA fraternities??????*
I went to a State school in the Bay Area and we had AA frats.
This guy wears a shirt that says "how can I offend you today?" but I get the sense that he's the one looking for offense in people's words.
Exhibit B: 26:40
Can't stand this guy
Then he says only Ghost Town is worthy of radio play... How you claim to know music????
Yikes is the easiest song off that album to take to radio RIGHT NOW. That song is in line with the "hype" music wave dominating the air waves currently
Holy fuck 29:10
How this man say Swimming Pools by Kendrick is not made for the radio??? Good Kid MAAD City had like 6 radio singles.
Then he said King Kunta is not for the radio. Hmmm, it was the only song off TPAB that was radio friendly (not including the single edit of "i"). Not even "Alright" was a radio friendly song, and that was the most culturally impactful track.
Do you know anything about Mouse tho? Stop judging.
Francisco Alvarado I thought the same thing when he said “where did he get the HBCU vibes? Wtf is he talking about. As if going to an HBCU is the epitome of blackness
MBDTF - 10
Late Registration - 9.5
College Dropout - 9.5
808s & Heartbreak - 9.0
Graduation - 8.5
Yeezus - 8.0
TLOP- 7.5
Ye- 7.0
This is how I feel.
Raphael Carmo no one gives a fuck how you feel. TLOP ain’t no damn 7.5
Raphael Carmo late registration and college drop out are 10/10
Violent crimes the best song bruhhhh
Torgot A ghostown is my fav. Not by far tho i view the album as one of kanyes best
It is. At least it is the only song from the album that really gets me, I really like the synths on that one. Cudi's verse is just fucking annoying on Ghost Town. So out of tune.
Violent Crimes vs. Ghost Town
B B It was deliberately out man
Kevin Deegan Well... still sounds pretty awful
Kanye is a Genius we lucky to be in this era
He took 4 weeks on this album and its great
With his line about sway - I interpret it as sway at the time told him in his own way slavery to corporations was a choice & he completely refused to believe in sways words. But now, he came to realize that (mental) slavery was a choice - slavery to a 9-5, to corporations (Yeezy his billion dollar baby is an expression of his current freedom) and he phrased his current view of freedom in a super shocking way (true) BUT if everyone steps away from their feelings about slavery for a minute, they’d understand he was not really speaking about slavery but mental slavery.
Even that is questionable since not everyone has access to education, but we’ve seen people born in extreme poverty make because they cut their mental chains lose and learned their way to the top.
By the way when Yeezus came out he thought himself as a slave, buying new chains, etc. (also I think Yeezus is like the Rick Owens of hip hop albums - like WOW, rockstar, avant-garde, crazy)
And I also think Ye is the polar opposite of Yeezus. Yeezus is about rage, pretending to godhood and Ye is like the dissolution of Kanye’s ego, after going through personal trauma and 💩
Last thing I wanna say on his TMZ thing - read this www.spin.com/2018/05/kanye-west-performance-art-tweets-theory/
That may explain the line am I tool complex for complex con - because he pulled something REALLY complex 😂😅😅
I think his scattered thoughts made a beautiful energy. In my life recently I've come to the conclusion where I don't believe in good or bad energy. But him being honest and giving his truth in this album will help a lot of people dealing with stuff in their minds, and that's the most beautiful part for me. If you have a mental illness or you're over all just dealing with something, you are not sicker than a normal person, you've just being categorized to something, and that should not stop you from doing stuff. Get purely out of your mind and give your truth to the world cause it's beautiful.
im the shit for this!
kanye west has more classic albums than anybody in their discography.... Kids See Ghosts Next.
I’ll never understand why people knock an album for it not being they way THEY wanted
"because... you know... who doesn't have a daughter?" 😂😂
she said "pacifically"
unlost 😩
can someone please make* me a gif around 26:42 - 26:49 please
I SAID THE SAME THING FAM
😂😂😂😂 she’s delusional
This exactly what I thought too. That was great.
We'll need to call muchdank on this 😂
MAN THIS SHIT IS SO FUNNY, U CANT EVEN CAPTION IT
I don’t get people saying this album has high production. I like the album but this is the most minimal production Kanye has ever done. On ‘all mine’ there is a point when there is literally only an 808 and Kanye’s bare voice. Most of the tracks sound like he just recorded his voice over things and the low end on the kicks doesn’t come through at all.
I agree, men should not have an epiphany to respect women at 40 years old. That is way tooo old. Why are women expected to mature early in their lives but men are commended for maturing really late in their life. I am disappointed the only woman in the panel is the only one giving men an excuse. How pitiful lol!
Amarachi Duru I don’t believe it’s giving an excuse I do believe she’s saying people don’t learn at the same time and they’re not supposed to. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t taught but it may have just now resonated with him until his daughters. Mouse learned at 17 because he had a daughter then. Kanye learned later when he had his own daughter. We can’t blame Ye for not having his child at 17 or not making the same decisions that led to that growth earlier in his life.
Where is that expectation coming from for persons to mature at those specific time?
Kris Jackson It shouldn’t take you having a daughter to respect women.That is ridiculous.Womem never say once I had a son I started to respect me.People are people, you should be raised to respect people period!
DUGGA 666 You don’t have to want to wife up or date women who dress provacative. But you should respect everyone. Respect does not equal wife up. It’s in the Bible, Jesus respected even the prostitutes. You should respect everyone on a basic humane level. How does this go back to me wanting to be a victim. Where is the correlation? I’m serious, what is your point there?
THANK YOUUUUU!!!!! Exactly!!
The thing people don't understand about bipolar is that it's a personality disorder that the mood last a good time like 3 to 4 days of just being sad and that's minimum, your chemical imbalance can stay the same for years. It's honestly the worst mental condition normal people can get because I feel that depressed people can learn how to deal with it because there either normal or depressed but they don't know the highs of bipolar and the only thing close to it is cocaine and the high last for days of no sleep and you overspend and it just sucks and then the lows come in and often this creates bipolar to do drugs like cocaine to be able to reach that high.
"ye" was an unapologetic approach to the real kanye, the struggles he faces behind closed doors and his perspective on that. If you're complaining about you "don't wanna hear his rants" then you have no place judging the man and his art. The production was insane, the way he used the other artists contributions as instruments, the soul behind the album is unravelled, It's easy to listen from start to finish (repeat) and I know damn well we'll be playing ghost town and violent crimes to all our children. Y'all are misinformed/hating and worst part is you'll change your minds off camera, talmbout "iTs bAD"
it really speaks to kanye's unique influence that you can get 4 people in a room that are passionate about every one of his albums in a different way
I personally think Kanye isn't a "short album" guy. Him being so scattered minded & a genius producer w/ so many sounds on his belt, this album should've been longer. He has a lot of pockets he can go in & out of seamlessly, which is why his album never seem as long as they are until you look at the tracklist. Listening to this, I'm don't all the way "feel it" until I'm 3/4 of the way in & once that feeling of "okay I see where it's going" comes, it's over. Not a bad project, I just wanted more to fully flush out what he is trying to convey.
Jason's Life couldnt disagree more. Trim the fat. All killer. No filler.
Richard Justice II I agree with the OP, most artist yes trim the fat gimmie 7 but from kanye the goat I want a full 11-13 tracks. He don't give us much fat on his projects except tlop and yeezuz
Richard Justice II with other artists, Like a Pusha T, I agree. Ye has too much to say to condense it into 7 tracks IMO.
z7513 exactly. Ye is a guy who needs at least 11 to flush out his ideas totally.
OMG, the look the guy with the dreads gave when she was talking about how Hot97 has their "foot on the culture" is priceless! I was rolling!
lmao when they all "cancelled ye" and tried to come around and stan for him again but cant delete they tweets condemning Ye
Tyrion Lannister the girl saying she wasn’t fucking with Kanye two weeks ago WHILE wearing yeezys baffles ne
"who doesn't have a daughter?" LOLWTF
good
"You want it to be one way....but it's the other way"-Marlo (fuckin love Jinx for that)
Nothing personal, but it's been 5 min I'm in and this girl is interrupting way too often a interesting thought...
ffs they respected your turn, return the goddamn favor
I don’t give a good goddamn about this album. But I do wanna see y’all link up again to talk about this summer’s albums, dope panel. Make it happen Genius!!
Kanye has writers but people act like he can't write lol Kanye CAN write bars!
As an artist myself I think this is one of Kanye's best works, and funny enough the reason I love it is the same reason y'all say you don't like it. It's scattered and raw and unfiltered and EXTREMELY current, like it was finished the same day it dropped. I don't like shit extra polished and cleaned up because that's not real: human error is what makes it the most relatable. D'Angelo's Voodoo is my favorite album and he purposely took advantage of human error in the cadence, singing, and lyrics. I like Kanye the person: bipolar, not politically correct, unfiltered & wild. I won't say this is his best album, but it feels like the most true to self Kanye album he's released, and that's why (as an artist) I give it an A+. Making art isn't always about everyone else's opinion, it's about expressing yourself honestly, and that's exactly what ye did.
Funny thing is, he did finish it the day it was dropped, even the cover photo was taken while he was driving to the listening/release party
Kanye didn’t say he wanted to be on radio, let me put this back into context. Charlamagne asked what caused you to break down . To which kanye responded with a slew of reasons from the residual hate from Taylor Swift, the pressures of the fashion industry, the pressures of the music industry especially with him being THE KANYE WEST, and he just happened to mention the competition between his peers, he said not that he wants to be on the radio but that he sees others being more successful and he felt as if he was trapped in this mindset that he was supposed to be KANYE WEST and he felt as if he was being drowned out ,a mindset caused by that mental crutch, which caused him to break down amongst other things.
Please get this in context I wish others would stop misinterpreting this
If you understand this then you’ll understand why he’s so diametrically opposes this idea of a perfect individual who has to do everything right at all times, something he has mentioned as one of the things he thinks made it harder for Obama to do what he actually wanted to do, but of course people twisted that again into “He hates obama” . I know it sounds repetitive but alot of things kanye says will go over your head if the utmost attention is not given, I watched that interview about 2-3 Times to even really get the points he was trying to get at
The look the guy with the dreads gave when she was talking about how Hot97 has their "foot on the culture" is priceless!
Ima sound mad sexist but it was a mistake including TT in this conversation.
Carlos Sanchez why is that ?
so the guy says it’s an obligation as a black man to respect women yet he looks at the girl with disgust and questions her integrity🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Most of Jinx's and Mouse Jones's "criticism" stems entirely from their inability to just let go of the past. It's ignorance hidden under the guise of articulation and development, but these guys can't let go and accept the fact that he was never the bear.
They haven't accepted the fact that we know literally nothing about Ye, only what he's let us see over the years. He's imperfect. He's either always been bipolar, or became so when his mother died, we just don't know. His tendency to give off half-baked writings and ideas has always been an issue, this album is a body of art it's not meant for you or me. it's just a man laying aspects of his life he doesn't even fully understand out as best he can in a short period of time,
and why should we fault him for it, we're ultimately the ones who choose to listen. i'm not saying we should love it, but we should understand the body of work for what it is, not what it failed to be or could've been.
Sonically, it's a fucking master piece, Jones and Jinx have the nerve to underrate the production. Calling it "expected". They probably have probably never touched an instrument, learned a chord, or spent hours chopping up that sample till you get the right sound.
All of the songs except Yikes, are master pieces of production. Jones said he wants polish, clean, articulate sounds and lyrics, well that's selfish, Ye is literally just getting back from a mental break down, I didn't hear anyone mention that.
Some bitch is gonna say this is dick riding, but noones perfect homie. i don't like to judge and thats what these guys did too much of. The comments kep shitting on the woman, but without her Jinx and Mouse's seemingly intelligent discussion would've fooled you guys into believing their load of shit.
Torrez the only one on the panel understanding of his mental disability and how fans just want the “hot shit” and not the complexities that comes with being a generally hated superstar, pulled in 50 directions, having hundreds of families that depend on your success and sanity, Jones being a perfect example of this.
They do mention the interviews he's done, but spend mere seconds on it preferring to resort to the judgement of Ye rather than understanding
These are not music critics, Torrez the only one with actual industry pull is being shit on. Formulate your own opinion, half of these comments are literally just praising the echo chamber without even realizing it. And the echo chamber of Jinx, Jones, and just finding stuff to hate.
You may not like the person, but music is art and a key to "good" art is emotion which is what kanye did with this album and i'm impressed.
When you make declarative statements and then not give context to those statements that leaves any artist regardless of medium or genre to be critiqued. Kanye had surface level lyrical delivery on Ye and if people chose to critique him for that then I think that’s fair.
Sonically, I agree with you it’s wonderfully produced and it’s very fitting for the subjects that Kanye tries to tackle.
However, the writing and story telling on the album is weak and at points very cringy (especially the last song). That’s my own subjective, opinion though. And we can’t look at this album in a vacuum. If Kanye goes on a entire press circuit and makes outrageous claims without explanation (which is a theme in the album as well) it’s only rational for people to want to find answers in the music. Kanye doesn’t HAVE to give his audience answers but I would argue then why make the art at all?
We get it, you wear yeezy boosts
Okay you do know it’s all opinion based right.
Jinx reminds me of MKBHD in all the best ways. He has a calm demeanor, is eloquent and all his opinions feel well thought out. Could listen to that guy talk for hours.
Y’all all wrong 808s and heartbreak is bomb
They don't know what they are talking bout.
1) Kanye scrapped his original album and started all over. So, these songs were rushed but that is what makes it so beautiful. I really enjoyed the album. It was raw. I liked the rawness of it. Now, is it his best...no but it's better than most.
2) As for Violent Crimes.....best song on the album for me. But, for you guys to expect Kanye to be where you are when you had a daughter at 17 vs Kanye having a daughter at approx. 35 is silly. Men often don't change until they get that daughter, so it depends on the age you get your first daughter. Also, just because he has this song on this album doesn't mean he JUST changed. You can change in 2016 and create a song about it in 2018.
Woman’s pissed off that she didn’t get invited to Wyoming.. #bunchanobodies
Fr lol
Jinx summed this album up so eloquently, perfect description of how half cooked this album was, I couldn’t have said it better.
The album is deep, honest and surprisingly uplifting.
The album is thought-provoking and makes you contemplate life.
It opens up dialogue on topics about family, mental health, and masculinity.
Absolutely 🔥
#1. MY BEAUTIFUL DARK TWISTED FANTASY
#2. THE COLLEGE DROPOUT
#3. LATE REGISTRATION
#4. GRADUATON
#5. YE
#6. THE LIFE OF PABLO
#7. YEEZUS
#8. 808S & HEARTBREAK
27:04 "what culture is this" issa meme
that Wire quote tho. "You want it to be one way but it's the other way."
Jinx is mad intelligent. Rob has hilarious one liners lmao. Genius please make Jinx like a permanent guest or something. this guy drops so many gems.
5:23 "pacifically"
scott 3000 I was scouring the comments for a comment on this!!! 😂😂😂
The Genius community and show not seeing the Genius of "I thought about killing you" as a response to Drake isn't Genius at all.
He calls him out directly. More directly than No Mistakes
Idunnoman i think is album is really good. "Oh don't bring that up that gon get me sentimental/every time something happen they want me sent to mental" oof
Camren Jeffers yea that line was incredible and I’m mad it took me like 10 listens to finally get it lol
Bruh that Shit is not hard. It's basic af.
Triston Crowl its literally a 4-syllable rhyme scheme and its pretty creative. I never heard anyone use it