YAMAHA YC61 vs VISCOUNT LEGEND Organ Showdown

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  • Let's play the YAMAHA YC61 and VISCOUNT LEGEND LIVE back to back to enjoy the sound of the HAMMOND ORGAN and LESLIE ROTARY SPEAKER emulation on the stage keyboard and clonewheel organ.
    The sounds on the Yamaha are the same on the newly announced YC73 and YC88.
    We'll demo a variety of sounds and drawbar settings. Please see my other videos for review and more playing!
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  • @Google_Was_My_Idea_nr.1
    @Google_Was_My_Idea_nr.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The Yamaha sounds good, but the Viscount Legend sounds awesome, both very playable. The Viscount has that perfect organ "fatness" and clear details in the sounds!!

  • @billyruss
    @billyruss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The Viscount just sounds so much warmer and more alive. I've just bought the YC and it is a bit thin but, as someone else has pointed out, it is way more portable for the occasional gig - plus, of course, it has the piano and other keyboard sounds.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      for sure, yc is still the ultimate portable do-it-all gig machine!

    • @Featherlightstudio
      @Featherlightstudio 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      The whole purpose of the Master EQ section on the Yamaha is to be able to more closely match other instruments EQ curves, from thinner 'Radio Ready' sounds of the YC, to more meaty lower mid's sounds like the Nords and the Viscount. Its a powerful tool for tone shaping the overall sound of the Yamaha.

    • @danaowens30
      @danaowens30 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me my self i love and will gig with 4 plus Viscount Legend. I have a Roland VK 88 i use too

  • @BarryWarne
    @BarryWarne 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    looks like I need to, as usual, buy both

  • @MrPonkine
    @MrPonkine 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Viscount Legend. No doubt. It sounds closer to the original. Fuller and deeper. But I think in the end it depends on individual needs. Yamaha is obviously more portable, and in the context of a band, possibly easier to adjust to cut through the mix. But in a studio or recording, I'd go with the Legend. No question.

    • @paulmapp8306
      @paulmapp8306 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      which is why I use this - same sound engine: www.viscountinstruments.com/instrument/legend-exp/

    • @johnnulf624
      @johnnulf624 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@paulmapp8306 Do you know somewhere reliable where I can buy one? Seems they are out of stock almost everywhere

  • @danielwaeber3309
    @danielwaeber3309 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks so much, great playing, great video, great selection of tunes!!

  • @Jake5577
    @Jake5577 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for the comparison. I recently passed on the YC due to the thin, tinny bright organ sound and preordered a Hammond SK Pro instead. Similar features, but better organ and rotary sounds, on video at least. Plus the YC doesn't have a YC organ sound (from the 70s) which I thought was very strange. I had a YC30 back in the day.

  • @mc-ec3bu
    @mc-ec3bu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I have played all the Hammond's for 50 years and own a viscount now too and believe me it is as close as you will ever get. The YC is thin and cold but you would be happy with it providing you never listen to the real thing of cores.

  • @doordedeur
    @doordedeur 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    In theory they should sound the same, since they're both based upon the same technology. But I imagine Viscount has put more details in their instrument. The Yamaha sounds much thinner than the Viscount.

    • @lordbachus
      @lordbachus 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Tahts because yamaha uses an allways on compressor effect in their master effects session

    • @robfriedrich2822
      @robfriedrich2822 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Yamaha seems to emulate the sound of the 1970's transistor Hammonds. Could be ok, if you want a brighter sound.

    • @davidhodgin8900
      @davidhodgin8900 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lordbachus damn :(

    • @davidhodgin8900
      @davidhodgin8900 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lordbachus only for stage ones or no?

    • @AG-cg7lk
      @AG-cg7lk 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Boosting lower mids on the yamaha would probably make quite a bit of difference

  • @synthverkstad2093
    @synthverkstad2093 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both sounds really nice, liked some of the YC sounds better but others better from the Viscount. I guess fiddling with controls you can get both to sound very similar by I'm sticking with the Hammond B-3X app on the iPad hooked up to my MODX7 for now. If I had the space would probably get a Viscount. Started my musical journey learning to play on a Yamaha Electone organ 40 years ago.

  • @davidwoods3653
    @davidwoods3653 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hi Woody, does the Viscount have any means of storing Drawbar settings, if so how many, thanks for your help.

  • @towjam2359
    @towjam2359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    price and portability aside, it's no contest IMHO. As much as I like Yamaha gear, the Legend totally blows it out of the water for tone and Leslie simulation.

    • @smoothoscillator1
      @smoothoscillator1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Yamaha sound has more midrange as if the equalizer was set up differently than the legend

  • @desmondmooreart
    @desmondmooreart 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Had to return the Nord D6 due to faulty keys. Looking for an solid replacement. Which is the better choice in your experience Hammond sk-pro or Yamaha yc61?

  • @meekrodriguez6438
    @meekrodriguez6438 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video

  • @ThepinguinMates
    @ThepinguinMates 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    HI Woody, Question I have mods which one would you should the viscount legend solo or the Yamaha YC61 as a second keyboard? Need the second keyboard als o for organ and brass?

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      legend only does organ, but does it better than YC imho, and with the fantastic controls right where they should be. you need the extra sounds, then get the YC!

  • @prolixsicklicks
    @prolixsicklicks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    As a proud owner of a Viscount Legend Live, I'm loving these videos even though I have the instrument already!

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      awesome that we have some owners in the comments!

  • @LuisFlores-xr5bu
    @LuisFlores-xr5bu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Now, would be interesting to make the same comparation with the nord

  • @crazypainter56
    @crazypainter56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    the Viscount sounds better-I have a Mojo dual manual

  • @Craigdhouston
    @Craigdhouston ปีที่แล้ว

    Does the Viscount have the option for a half moon switch? I know it can take a pedal, but that would be a bonus if it took the switch!

  • @arcanics1971
    @arcanics1971 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry about missing the prem- you know were I was- but I am watching now!

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      watching this direct after coming from clemens? sorry in advance to disappoint you!

  • @normalizedaudio2481
    @normalizedaudio2481 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice to have the manuals so close.

  • @itsmaistro
    @itsmaistro ปีที่แล้ว

    He is using the H3 which isn't the v3 sound. For the more warmer sound you have to use the H1 organ on the YC

  • @corneliusyoung9699
    @corneliusyoung9699 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Woody,
    Can you do a Viscount Legend Live vs Crumar Classic Comparison?

  • @planetdog1641
    @planetdog1641 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thoughts on the yc 61 action? How does it compare to the modx 61 synth action as far as key travel? Thanks

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it was fantastic when new, but now feels a bit loose and rattly. still works very good though for organ, and ok for piano, although velocity a bit jumpy in my hands.

    • @RolandTumble23
      @RolandTumble23 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack Can you clarify this? Are you saying that the action on the YC61 has actually changed in the relatively short time you've had it, or that your perception of it has changed as a result of getting used to the Legend?

  • @furiobisotti8150
    @furiobisotti8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Well done Woody (as usual). Valuable information and nice playing.
    It seems to me that YC has a strong boost on mid frequency, the Legend seems to be a more complete representation on bass and treble.
    Since I got a Legend, this is not pushing me to try the YC...
    Also on Leslie the big guy seems to be more convincing.
    And I know that with IK Amplitude 5 with official Leslie thing it is even better!

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, you're right, perhaps yc is voiced for live use, where it might cut a bit better.

    • @Roboprogs
      @Roboprogs 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Could this be addressed by an EQ adjustment on the YC? So it has more bass/fullness?

    • @furiobisotti8150
      @furiobisotti8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Roboprogs If I am not wrong YC has an eq as "master" effect. So it should be possible

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Roboprogs both have 3 band eq, so you could adjust either to have similar curve as the other :)

  • @sonicaids
    @sonicaids 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm interested in the FM synth capabilities of the YC61, are you going to a video on that?

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think you get a bunch of presets and the fm organ, so maybe not worthy topic of a video, maybe I'll play some of them for you one day!

  • @e-percussion9763
    @e-percussion9763 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wonderful stuff, Played with real passion, I wonder as I see your fingers with a tremolo wiggle ,trying to ring more expression out of each note, Have you tried a ROLI keyboard?

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i'm sure that's just a shaky little finger, not any attempt to add expression, and no the roli's are interesting, but not for me!

  • @danielcolfer4671
    @danielcolfer4671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The “thinness” on the YC can easily be adjusted and eliminated by changing the organ model and adjusting the master eq. Run it through a neo vent 2 and your good to go. Plus the YC has great piano, elec piano, pads, leads, a bender and mod lever a built in usd audio and midi interface. Plus you can layer and split sounds. Plug and play with iOS apps via one usb cable. Sound comes right out of the YC outlet. Think about it.

  • @regiopazzo
    @regiopazzo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love this video. I’ve pre-ordered my legend live today; Kraft is currently sold out. Can’t wait! What speakers do you recommend? What is the song around 21:00?

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i made a video about the speaker system that I bought for the organ, don't know what the song was, reluctant to re-watch my vids after spending 10 hours editing them!

    • @alexduncan2375
      @alexduncan2375 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I

  • @keepingitrealandtruthful.5081
    @keepingitrealandtruthful.5081 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Question: Is the Yamaha yc61 on the viscount on a special stand? If so where can I get one?

  • @zoomzoom3950
    @zoomzoom3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Original mechanical tonewheel organs had variations in sound over the years, especially in the tube preamps and amps, as they used different batches/suppliers of electronic parts.
    My digital Hammond A-3 let's you fine tune all aspects of the sound, down to each key sound, response, etc. The default factory setting is supposed to be the ideal pristine new tonewheel organ as it would have left the factory. It sounds good to me, if you want character, from digital, be prepared for some intense A/B comparisons and tweaking, use an old tube amplification.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      not familiar with the A3, is that a current model? the legend has a software editor for the fine tuning, will check this out in the future!

    • @zoomzoom3950
      @zoomzoom3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack The Hammond A-3 Heritage, it's a xk5 with A-3 lower manual;, pedals , bench and stand that looks like a B3, slightly less deep, similar in size to the original Hammond A from the '30s

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zoomzoom3950 oh that's wonderful, i think some guys call it x55 classic over here.

  • @stevec.1802
    @stevec.1802 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A bit more girth and fatness in the tonality of the Viscount. Love your straight forward and informative presentations, as always. Leslie simulation is convincing.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      thanks for the kind words, glad you liked the organs!

  • @abcoates
    @abcoates 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Same here, the Viscount sounds better to me, although I think the YC61 would be fine for gigging, the punters wouldn't notice the difference.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      no, only us players notice and get obsessed about these nuances in the sound, it's more about which notes you press and when you press them anyway :D

  • @DojoOfCool
    @DojoOfCool 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like the YC61 the notes are more defined and a touch brighter, which would be a better for dialing in a tone vs trying to brighten up a bottom heavy sound. Next the price difference the Viscount is about twice as price. I could get a YC61 and add a 61key MIDI controller and have dual manuals on the YC for way less money. Last the YC is a stage piano so besides the organ you have acoustic and electic pianos and a selection of effects. So bang for the buck the Yamaha would be my choice.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      interesting comment about the price, here in EU the legend is slightly cheaper than the yamaha! i have a hunch the tone of the yc might be tuned for live use.

  • @mikedevlin2048
    @mikedevlin2048 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    To be fair to the YC… almost all of the playing was louder on the Viscount which is a big factor in what most people experience as “better”. I have no doubt the Viscount is a better organ, but the YC can do so much more than just organand is way more portable…
    The new Viscount Legend Soul looks really interesting

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  ปีที่แล้ว

      yeah right, that looks like a beast! actually, i would expect that I carefully volume normalized all of the audio clips to -23 LUFS to ensure that the comparisons are fair. I do that on all my videos, so this would not have been any exception. hey, thanks for the feedback anyway :) at the end of the day the legend sounded much better to my ears regardless of volume!

  • @gautrstafr
    @gautrstafr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Nice comparison! I think the YC also sounds thinner because it seems to be at a lower volume. Still I think the Crumar Mojo is the best clonewheel, I have all B3 VSTs and the GSi VB3 is still by far my favorite.

  • @profusionvrtrek3882
    @profusionvrtrek3882 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please give the YC61 the following fairer comparison demo - for two or 3 identically set, commonly used drawbar settings,
    (Jimmy Smith with perc, Charles Earland and gospel without perc.), try to match the tone of the YC to the
    Legend by using the YC's onboard equalizer - most likely, a boost of bass and low midrange, and a cut of treble, would bring the YC very much closer to that bass and low mid bodacious sound you are getting from the Legend. That would be a fair experiment, because the YC's eq is an included useful feature available to users wanting to get a nice rich mellow sound like a B3. By the way I used to own 2 B3's with Leslie 122s and they had nowhere near the bass richness, especially in left hand bass, that your Legend setup does. My real B3s sounded somewhere in between the YC and the
    Legend. Also, there are other demos on You Tube where the YC61 organ sounds much fatter on bass and mellower on treble - for a good example, th-cam.com/video/kchGxdJ58SI/w-d-xo.html
    (NAMM 2021 - Believe in Music - YC Stage Keyboard Webinar)
    at the 9 minute mark, the B3 sounds are shown with a more rich/mellow eq than your comparison.
    It should also be noted that users needn't be limited by the obviously inferior YC Leslie sim (compared to Legend),
    which adds to that thin and shrill problem - much less a problem when you shut off the Leslie sims in the comparison, immediately bringing the YC much closer to the Legend's eq properties. Users aren't limited to using the YC's lousy onboard sim. They can do, as I do with a Roland XP synth's B3 sounds, shut off onboard sims and use either a Leslie 3300
    or cheaper Motion Sound Pro 3X leslie rotor - available used. And run the other stereo channel to an amp with
    effective bass and treble controls (boost or cut). I can dial up window rattling bass with the old guitar amp I
    use for one channel, w/ Pro 3x rotor on other channel. Also can cut the treble to a nice mellow level. The keyboard is only half the sound quality equation. Without a Leslie cabinet, run through a bad amp, a B3 can actually sound like a cheesy Farfisa or Vox, Trust me, I've proven that with a B3.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      thanks for the comment and the feedback! although I'm not in agreement with you entirely, I don't see the point of adjusting the eq on the YC to match the Legend? The Legend also has 3 band eq, so I could equally use that to match it to the YC, who's to say which is right? Much better, I think, to give viewers an idea how each instrument sounds in it's default settings. If I had messed around with the eq on one of the instruments, that would be totally meaningless comparison! 99% of YC buyers will not be using external rotary sims, so much better to demonstrate the internal sim. I demoed all the common drawbar registrations! I pride myself on capturing the audio in best possible quality direct from the keyboards and not applying any external processing or effects, so you will hear exactly how it sounds out of the box. thanks again for the comment :D

    • @RolandTumble23
      @RolandTumble23 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@WoodyPianoShack Not sure I agree that an EQ'd version would be "totally meaningless". One version of "fair" is, indeed, "how does each sound at default", but another version is "how does each sound at the best IT can get", This might require a prohibitive amount of deep-diving to find each instruments "best", though, so I can understand the choice to go with the first version.

    • @dougmarkham
      @dougmarkham 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RolandTumble23 Those sorts of things---tweeking etc---are perhaps best discusses on forums, where members can swap settings and work on optimising individual instruments. Although it's interesting to hear the comparison between the YC and Viscount sound, these are not two comparable instruments unless you purchase a full pedal board and a lower manual. Even if you create your own organ, control is always going to be easier on the Viscount.
      Perhaps a more valid question would be: would someone owning a YC want to expand their organ sound using the Viscount Legend Exp at £450. Given what users are saying, perhaps it's worth learning to tweak the YC a bit before deciding to test an expander to see if the onboard sounds can be bettered.

  • @ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis
    @ReallyDudeYouGottaHearThis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    YC is thin sounding. And the yc Leslie sim is not real at all. The yc would have been my dream keyboard if it had a better organ overall. It sounds like a toy. The Viscount is fat and beefy. Woody your reviews really are spot on. 👍

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thank you, not much of a review today, just playing them for you, so you can all judge for yourselves! ;)

    • @zoomzoom3950
      @zoomzoom3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a few Hammonds, if you want a stage keyboard with good organ tones, I recommend the Hammond SKx, haven't tried the SK Pro and don't plan to. The Vox (Korg) Continental is worth a listen; then there's Nord. ;)
      I considered a Nord C2D and Viscount, but went with the SKx for a portable organ. I play mostly organ tones, nearly exclusively, so two manuals, drawbars, pedals and organ tones were most important in my choice.

    • @furiobisotti8150
      @furiobisotti8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zoomzoom3950 I had no chance to make a real comparison, but I once owned a Nord Stage 3, after 2 months of tweaking I decided to sell it. With the money I bought a midi controller and a Legend. That Stage3 was a big delusion, I think Stage2 was better.

  • @Lamster66
    @Lamster66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Was going to get a Legend but can't find an outlet with one to try.
    The real question is does it do a better hammond than a Nord C2D?

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      i think everyone would agree that it does, but c2d os more compact and portable.

    • @Lamster66
      @Lamster66 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack
      Funny enough I built a clone using Hammond parts from a dead élégante and a bunch of custom electronics to look like a chopped C3. It runs NI B4MK2
      And I run it through the same behringer valve preamp you have and into a Ventilator.
      That is actually not bad.
      I've Had the VK8, CX3 and used the C2D as well as the Hammond XK they're all good but no cigar. I also bought a Viscount DB3 of ebay years ago in need of repair. That actually sounds quite good except the Vibrato and perc setting are nasty and the Leslie emu isn't great. I've also had various L, Mand T Hammonds and have permanent access to an A100 and a C3

  • @garysmith8455
    @garysmith8455 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello Woody, will you be able to demo a genuine Hammond organ at some point? Love to get your thoughts on the latest models. (O: oh, and you have a mispelling of Hammon(g) lol..

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      thx for pointing that out :) not sure the digital Hammonds are any more genuine than the legend and mojo etc, but thx for the suggestion, no plans at the moment.

  • @robfriedrich2822
    @robfriedrich2822 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The YC seems to be a good B3000 emulation.

  • @Geab12
    @Geab12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really groovy sounds - nice! are they part of your educational material on one of the channels? My XK 1c needs some dedusting ;-)

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      no, i haven't done any lessons on these tunes, not yet.

    • @Geab12
      @Geab12 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack let me know if you are taking them in

  • @jbognap
    @jbognap 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    7:06 Ladies and gentlemen, move over, the organ is here. 😄 Though the YC would be fine if the Legend were nowhere near.

  • @session-lounge9097
    @session-lounge9097 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It would be awsome if you could make such a comparison between the viscount and a Nord! 🤩

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      the viscount went back to the factory, when the loan expired.

    • @session-lounge9097
      @session-lounge9097 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack ☹️

  • @Jack-fs2im
    @Jack-fs2im 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    a great listen

  • @laauservohl5778
    @laauservohl5778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Viscount sounds like an organ. The Yamaha sounds as try. So the Yamaha can do all, but not on a high level.

  • @hermandavid1757
    @hermandavid1757 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you heard/played the crumar mojo woody?

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i have played with the software version vb3, love it!

  • @zombieman81
    @zombieman81 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yamaha seems a bit more "hey listen to me" as if trying to "cut" in a mix where the Viscount is happy to sit back... until the Viscount percussion is enabled... WAY back in the late 70s as a kid I was treated to a second hand Viscount M40 Intercontinental as my second organ as my interest in music didn't abate after I was bought a cheap Bontempi organ... The Viscount was a very badly out of tune transistor organ with a few faults and dodgy switches, in other words badly in need to a proper service, but with the two offset three and a half octave manuals and a single octave pedal keyboard I loved it anyway... We ended up getting rid of it in the early 90s after I'd moved on to digital keyboards and didn't really play the old Viscount which needed two people to even hope of moving it.

  • @alexandrereitzmann7299
    @alexandrereitzmann7299 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, how do you find the action of Viscount's Keybed ? Some say it's a bit stiff : do you agree ? How is it compared to the Electro 6D for example ? Thank you ;)

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      it is quite stiff, but not an issue for me, it feels reassuring and solid. identical to electro, it's the same afaik

  • @geoffk777
    @geoffk777 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like most people say, the Viscount was a clear winner--fatter, deeper and more authentic. The Yamaha sounded bright, thin, and a little dirty, even when it's supposedly clean.
    Have you tried the IK Multimedia Hammond B-3X VST? It's actually licensed by Hammond, and it sounds fantastic to me.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i did try the demo for a few weeks, but found that I much prefered the vb3 vst used in the mojo! i should retry it again I think.

    • @furiobisotti8150
      @furiobisotti8150 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack Woody, I like a lot B3X too. Reason is flexibility on choosing amplifier (you can add a guitar amp to simulate Jon Lord sound), effects (pre and post amp). You have an incredible range of chances. And Leslie simulation is really powerful. I think you should take some time to check it again

    • @GizzyDillespee
      @GizzyDillespee 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He mentions that the Yamaha's overdrive is about halfway for most of the video (says it after 21:30 i think). Probably the reason it sounds dirty most of the vid.

  • @fragu123
    @fragu123 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love 🇸🇪!

  • @grdinetz
    @grdinetz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Comparisons between Viscount Soul Organs and anything other than a Hammond are just ridiculous. I’ve got a Soul 261 puts my Nord Electro 6 to shame. The Viscount is the real deal folks.

    • @marcusstrymon693
      @marcusstrymon693 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Mh since the 1.2 os update
      And the yc now has some other very inspiring organ sounds as well gotten

  • @robfriedrich2822
    @robfriedrich2822 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The Yamaha could be an idea, when you want Barbara Dennerlein on Bohm or Jimmy Smith on Wersi.

  • @billwatcher9321
    @billwatcher9321 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This would have been a great video IF: 1. The sound was not so distorted. 2. If you would have used the top knob on the right end of the YC to cut out the top end so it more closely matched the Viscount tone wise. This would have provided the opportunity to compare apples to apples instead of your apples to sour grapes.

  • @ONRIPRESENCE
    @ONRIPRESENCE 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    20:00 my favorite part

  • @metalplatedfacejob
    @metalplatedfacejob 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Sounds like the yamaha is being pushed through a small amp effect with to much drive on. Could this be why it sounds so thin? Sounds like the Yamaha is in mono vs the Viscount having stereo verb on it. Not saying that the Viscount is not better cause it is, just saying that the Yamaha can sound better then that.

  • @XavierRadix
    @XavierRadix 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hmmm. The Viscount sounds fatter, but the YC has more features. But then the Viscount is big an bulky and the YC is sma-ARGH screw it! I'm buying both!

  • @RayyMusik
    @RayyMusik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The YC sounds horribly artificial. Yes, it is more portable, but there‘s also a 1-manual Legend Solo with otherwise 100% identical features as the bigger ones.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      good point on the solo, but the win for the yamaha is the extra sounds, effects and still much more compact!

    • @zoomzoom3950
      @zoomzoom3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WoodyPianoShack there's always a compromise. that's the challenge: where to compromise. ;) IMO
      In my ideal world, I'd have a next gen Korg Kronos with at least 3 sets of drawbars and 2 x 61-key manuals with waterfall keybed, and 32-note pedals. With Hauptwerk. :)

    • @higgy7762
      @higgy7762 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zoomzoom3950 and the entire thing at 12 kilograms !

  • @dans.4222
    @dans.4222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have a Nord Electro 6D, which is really good, I love it. But I'd like to have a dual manual with a full set of drawbars, so I'm looking for an alternative. The Viscount Legend seems to be a really good instrument, if you consinder the ridiculous price of the Hammond XK5 with the lower manual. Thanks for the comparison, there are not a lot of good videos on the Viscount, especially in terms of comparison videos. :)

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i'm one of the few people to have both perhaps, if not the only one, so happy to share. yes, the hammond stuff is expensive, hopefully we'll see the xk5 engine trickle down to some more affordable models.

    • @zoomzoom3950
      @zoomzoom3950 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@WoodyPianoShack The new Hammond SK Pro (single manual) is supposed to have some xk5 traits but I don't know what or how many. My portable is an SKx, not clear if the SK Pro is designed to replace it. The xk-5 is worth the price IMO

    • @dans.4222
      @dans.4222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@zoomzoom3950 Yes, the XK5 is really amazing and I would really like to get one. Maybe I will decide after another visit at my local store.

  • @adamandlorraine
    @adamandlorraine 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It seems, when it comes to organs, size matters! Yamaha giving it a good try but the viscount wins with the full sound and great Leslie sim. Maybe it's got too much low end for use in a band but I tend to play right hand parts only in a blues band..bass player takes care of everything low.

    • @mrdali67
      @mrdali67 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The Viscount can sound bright also and easy cut thru in a band. Organ wise it totally destroys Yamaha. But the same happens when Anderson compared the Nord Electro and Yc61 with Piano sounds, and frankly. not to point any fingers to any influensers and youtubers, Woody does a good job, but most reviews you watch I always feel they could have done a better job in trying to match the sounds when comparing instruments. Most things today have a master EQ, and it can't be that difficult to try get an aproximate equal sound equalization before doing a comparison. But after that little rant .. /rant off .. the Yamaha YC61 do seem to have an odd bright sound ootb. The piano comparison Anderson did also showed the YC61 to be very thin in the acoustic Piano, and I am pretty sure Yamaha uses the EXACT same eg. C7 and CFX sample set in the YC's as the one that you get for Montage/Modx/Genos. And seen reports that those also can sound different dependent on what models you play it on (the CFX sample). Still, I havn't seen them anywhere yet and not heard all the different sounds, but even it has a little more premium price tag, If you are looking for an allround board with 73/76 key waterfall keys, its my humble opinion that Hammond Suzuki may have thrown a small bomb with the new SK line

  • @la1gsa
    @la1gsa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    XK-5/SK-X in comparison if possible Woody...

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i do know somebody who has the 5, doesn't live all that close to me though.

  • @keyboardresource
    @keyboardresource 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Too many organ simulators: Nord, Crumar, Dexibell, Hammond, Korg, Roland, Studiologic, Viscount, Vox, Yamaha, Ferrofish, E-Mu, etc. I wonder which is the absolute best.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      never too many! are the too many synths? :) choice and competition is wonderful!

  • @yannseven7096
    @yannseven7096 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the Vicount wins even the Yc has interresting rocky tones.

  • @michaelalberson126
    @michaelalberson126 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The viscount sounds very close to the real thing the yc is tinny and cheap sounding just my opinion

  • @Hamfantasy56
    @Hamfantasy56 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Yamaha has a thin, plastic sound: they are unable to clone properly the Hammond sound..the Legend is on another planet
    P.S. On the JOS tone the percussion of the Legend is a bit too loud, and he often used "C2" Chorus, and always the 3rd perc. !

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      cool, there is a knob for perc level, but kept things at half-mast today!

  • @pinocarella_00
    @pinocarella_00 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    non c'è confronto che tenga: Legend non lo batte nessuno.

  • @andreacosta74
    @andreacosta74 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yamaha sounds old, compressed, with little stereo panning (only 2 mic Leslie-recording?) like the little “L-100” that Keith Emerson used to bully and to stab at the end of every ELP concert. Very useful for a “Gimmie some lovin’ “ vintage sound, for the weak and distant L-100 sound of the former Genesis albums or for the highly Farfisa overdriven sound by Van der Graaf Generator but not for much more IMHO.

  • @Joedoriamusic
    @Joedoriamusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oof, but the leslie sims with these (in all clones actually). I recall others telling me "they finally nailed the leslie".
    No, they did not.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      a bit just like sitting in front of a grand piano, a DP will never nail that either.

    • @Joedoriamusic
      @Joedoriamusic 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@WoodyPianoShack Yeah, but that's the way it is. Portability though!

  • @synthplayer1563
    @synthplayer1563 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Viscount sounds better, but I think that's clearly due to a bass boost. That's unfair!
    Leslie simulation also sounds a lot better on Viscount, but the Yamaha Leslie simulation is known to be only mediocre.
    I don't know what the original really sounds like, so I don't know which one sounds more like the original, but to me it doesn't matter because I just want a good sounding Hammond style organ.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i don't have a reference b3 either, but if it sounds good and makes you enjoy playing, then it is good!

  • @meekrodriguez6438
    @meekrodriguez6438 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello

  • @jeromecoppack6147
    @jeromecoppack6147 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    But Yamaha ..has the cfx beautiful piano sound! I use a Master piano costing 300 euros which is fine and via midi pilote de Yamaha.. so good for piano l'ESS than 2000 euros alltogerher! If not a Yamaha cp88. Is 2800 euros for thé same sound!

  • @frostydawnofthenu2257
    @frostydawnofthenu2257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Save money and buy a controller keyboard and vst Hammond organ software. Nord kills both.

  • @jazzplayer59
    @jazzplayer59 ปีที่แล้ว

    I understand the latest OS Yamaha update provided a much perfected b3 experience...but, as played, the Yamaha sounds very thin and unrealistic.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i think only the leslie sim was updated. don't have access to try it and share though.

  • @xp50player
    @xp50player 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    How about also these vs the Nautilus and Nord?

  • @giovannifalcicchia9977
    @giovannifalcicchia9977 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ormai penso che il popolo degli organisti non abbia più dubbi: il riferimento assoluto, oggi come oggi, è il Viscount Legend. È un' imitazione dell'Hammond ma, visto che gli organi elettromagnetici non si costruiscono più, il top assoluto è il Viscount.
    Se poi vogliamo essere sinceri, con il prezzo e il peso ridotto, nei concerti dal vivo, il Viscount non fa nemmeno rimpiangere lo stesso Hammond.

  • @ChrisP3000x
    @ChrisP3000x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If ya like a thin, brittle/harsh, 90's rompler organ sound with laughable "leslie" effect, the YC is right up your alley.

  • @tonewheelorganshop
    @tonewheelorganshop 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. Good vidéo. IMHO. Yamaha Sounds toy ich . I’m pretty sure There s not One old HAMMOND at Yamaha ‘s workshop . The YC is an illustration of what Yamaha imagines how à Hammond sounds like.
    LEGEND is ok. . The Legend is more a copy , as close as possible. Bye

  • @robfriedrich2822
    @robfriedrich2822 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    25:00 it's a mental thing only?

  • @nathaliawouters-ramakers2803
    @nathaliawouters-ramakers2803 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ik zou graag viscount legend vs crumar mojo zien.

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      i might compare with the software vst version, but don't have access to hardware

  • @mxslick50
    @mxslick50 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sorry but there has never been, and never will be, an acceptable electronic emulation of the interesting percussive clicks and harmonics of a REAL tonewheel organ.

  • @25musicmaker
    @25musicmaker ปีที่แล้ว

    The Yamaha comes nowhere near a decent Hammond sound; the Legend on the other hand produces a convincing clone wheel sound.

    • @Dannytyrellstudios
      @Dannytyrellstudios 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Speakers are not equal
      Put Yamaha through a Leslie
      Wow
      Viscount sounds great live

  • @mr.hashundredsofprivatepla3711
    @mr.hashundredsofprivatepla3711 ปีที่แล้ว

    The YC61 sounds great for a portable organ. YC61’s internal Leslie simulation is not great, but certainly not terrible.
    The Legend’s organ engine sounds fantastic by itself, and it sounds especially better when you run it through a real Leslie. Speaking of, the Legend’s emulation of the Leslie is incredible on slow/brake but the fast mode doesn’t sound good at all. It sounds like a vibrato and not like a Leslie.

  • @mikeygoda
    @mikeygoda 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skinny keys on the YC61..

    • @WoodyPianoShack
      @WoodyPianoShack  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      well spotted, yes they certainly are compared to the legend, although not something I noticed when playing it in isolation! somewhat noisier keys too, it has to be said.

  • @coreseUpreach
    @coreseUpreach 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The YC sounds horrible