You are doing great historical work. Am really enjoying (and learning from) your videos. I really like your attempt at staying with the facts as best discernable.
@@SeanRCope spent years in library yo get a masters in econ and a law degree. How about you ? No library had any info on the 2 massacres that I am aware of. Dount you know anything about either!
@@alandavis9644...that's what you get for studying Law & econ. Hell, I'm a woman from upper Midwest. I've known of these battles since Jr.High but, then I also have had an inquisitive mind, a love of history & generally have read on a long list of subjects my entire life. Yes, I have college degree but, degree or not, it doesn't always mean one is educated.
@@alandavis9644...one other thing..if you knew where I have lived most of my life & the resources available to me, I can guarantee they were far inferior to what you might have had.
There was a Canon ball stuck in a tree on battle site that I seen 1968. You done excellent job of presenting the most comprehensive chronology events, and action of this battle. Thank you for your work.
OT, but at 5:21in your drone shot there are some animals moving through the foliage - I can't tell what they are but maybe somebody can. They cross single file through a small clearing below a slightly larger clearing. The best I can describe the location is if you were to divide the screen into left and right squares, the location would be just left of center in the right "square" and halfway-up the screen (it changes as the drone moves). If anything it might be a fun where's Waldo for someone to find. I can't tell the size - they might be horses or they might be wolves, or elk. [edit: probably hogs - a larger mama and her piglets?]
Custer found the Washita encampment by following a large Indian raiding party that led him straight to it. The Indians were holding three white women and a two year old boy hostage. When the Indians scattered, they took two of the women and murdered the mother and son. It was not a massacre.
@@Obamas_Nipple You can go to the Kansas historical society and there are contemporaneous accounts of the cavalry following raiding parties back to the Washita.
@@pinchevulpes Sand Creek happened because over 100 settlers were murdered by Indian raids. The Army lost 25 KIA and 52 wounded, that was a hard fight and also Blackkettle was involved with that like he was at the Washita. Custer found the Washita village by following a large raiding party that led him straight to it.
Were there captives in Black kettle's village at the tme of the attack? How many were killed, and who? How many were freed? Was the 7th aware of captives in village before attack? Why did village have captives? Did Benteen ever show annoyance with Elliott for going on his own "hook"? Did anyone know exactly where Elliott went? Was searching for Elliott possible--or, even too late? Would a rescue have risked the regiment and/or the operation?
@@davidjohnson6611 good point! They certainly weren't the gallant heros that the history books tell us. War is brutal, the winner gets to write the history.
The confederacy used the Shenendoah Valley as its larder and Grainery until it was denied to them by Sheridan. The orders to do so were not popular with the officers and men but they were followed as were the orders to quell the hostiles in Indian territory by any means possible. The era is not called the "Indians wars" for nothing.
@@GoWildHistory Oh I did, right to the end. The point I'm trying to make is that the term 'massacre' is subjective. One man's massacre is another man's altruistic fight for good. The way you both talk, the Indian wars were just dreamed up to make Indians suffer, when that's just not true. The Native American tribes have been butchering whites on the western frontier since the 1740's, so 150 years of your multigenerational family getting skinned alive and set on fire (Comanche) might wear on a people, no? BTW- my BA was in American History and my thesis was on the fight for the frontier.
It boggles my mind how easy natives were looked at as savage murderers. Was the military ever criticized for killing women and children, or just natives? I’m assuming they got a pass due to being at war, right?
Look up the history of how natives tortured, raped, killed and mutilated American settlers, men, women and children, travellers and farmers. Turn about is fair play, right? Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
Well people always want to bend history to fit their political beliefs, read my life on the plains by custer it will open your eyes to the political crap evident even in custers time. They had bleeding heart lefties then with the noble savage bs. The indians were a war culture with unbelievable cruel torcher that was evident on the plains we have changed history to reflect our values today and we ignore the massive atrocities committed by the indians. The indians always killed and torchered 14:29 all people men women children as a matter of coarse it was just what was done. To conflict what the cavalry did to the indians to what the indians did to each other and homesteaders is ridiculous their is no comparison. The cavalry were much more compassionate, indians, Comanche were much worse
On the contrary, in this day and age, quite the opposite is true. The U.S. military has been criticized for its brutality against the indigenous peoples ever since the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's. Much of the criticism is deserved, of course, and the Native American has been treated harshly. Still and all, nowadays, the prevailing views toward Natives, by most Americans, is that they were an "Oh, so, serene race of noble people who just wanted to live peacefully in the forests and on the prairies". Biases and media disinformation are the main culprit for this attitude, and movies like "Dances With Wolves" helped solidify this impression. The reality is this: the American frontier was harsh, bloody, and brutal. Atrocities and massacres were committed by both sides. Be that as it may, in today's society, all we ever hear, read, and see is how cruelly the white man has treated the Native American. The Battle of the Washita is just one example: everyone condemns Custer as a devil incarnate for "mercilessly" wiping out a "peaceful" band of harmless Cheyenne Indians, but few words are ever spoken about the depredations Cheyenne war parties have committed on the Kansas frontier during the late 1860's. No one mentions how Cheyenne warriors gang-raped white pioneer women, burned their cabins, and killed their babies by dashing the toddlers' brains out on nearby rocks, no....that part of frontier history is ignored these days.
The Arkansas and Red Rivers are the only ones in Oklahoma that carry very much water year round. The Washita, North and South Canadian and Cimmaron are all about comparable size and flow.
It was a war! The Indians got their licks in too you know. The Fetterman massacre in Wyoming in 1866, Custer in Montana in 1876. Uncounted raids, murders and kidnappings of settlers, wagon train members and miners. The Indians chose not to go peacefully and so were dealt with in any way possible.
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Were there captives in Black kettle's village at the tme of the attack? How many were killed, and who? How many were freed? Was the 7th aware of captives in village before attack? Why did village have captives? Did Benteen ever show annoyance with Elliott for going on his own "hook"? Did anyone know exactly where Elliott went? Was searching for Elliott possible--or, even too late? Would a rescue have risked the regiment and/or the operation?
It’s crazy to think all this happened just up the road. Good documentary as always, brother! Incredible work!!
You are doing great historical work. Am really enjoying (and learning from) your videos. I really like your attempt at staying with the facts as best discernable.
Slavery was a common Indian practice at the time. Nothing new.
Great history lesson. Thank you for taking the time to do these informational videos.
Wow. So much of this, you barely heard about. Thank you for exploring this subject in such depth. Great to see a new video from you! ❤
I was born 50 miles west of this incident and grew up 60 miles west of the Sand Creek massacre. None of this was in our history books.
It’s kind of crazy, you would think this would be an important part of history. Especially United States history.
Library cards are free.
@@SeanRCope spent years in library yo get a masters in econ and a law degree. How about you ? No library had any info on the 2 massacres that I am aware of. Dount you know anything about either!
@@alandavis9644...that's what you get for studying Law & econ. Hell, I'm a woman from upper Midwest. I've known of these battles since Jr.High but, then I also have had an inquisitive mind, a love of history & generally have read on a long list of subjects my entire life. Yes, I have college degree but, degree or not, it doesn't always mean one is educated.
@@alandavis9644...one other thing..if you knew where I have lived most of my life & the resources available to me, I can guarantee they were far inferior to what you might have had.
Watching again. Dope drone scenes in this. Amazing production ❤
There was a Canon ball stuck in a tree on battle site that I seen 1968.
You done excellent job of presenting the most comprehensive chronology events, and action of this battle. Thank you for your work.
OT, but at 5:21in your drone shot there are some animals moving through the foliage - I can't tell what they are but maybe somebody can. They cross single file through a small clearing below a slightly larger clearing. The best I can describe the location is if you were to divide the screen into left and right squares, the location would be just left of center in the right "square" and halfway-up the screen (it changes as the drone moves). If anything it might be a fun where's Waldo for someone to find. I can't tell the size - they might be horses or they might be wolves, or elk. [edit: probably hogs - a larger mama and her piglets?]
A couple things, Black Kettle was not flying the American Flag here. That was at Sand Creek. And no mention of Clara Blinn or her child.
Well Joey, feel free to make your own video with every tiny detail I got wrong or read in different books. Thanks for the click.
@@GoWildHistory he was just helping out, no need to scalp him
@@GoWildHistoryhe was just adding on to your video of what they don't really talk about lighten up Francis
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This is a damn good video! Great job!!
Great video! Keep up the good work!
Custer found the Washita encampment by following a large Indian raiding party that led him straight to it. The Indians were holding three white women and a two year old boy hostage. When the Indians scattered, they took two of the women and murdered the mother and son. It was not a massacre.
thanks, this is the kind of thing that is actually kept out of history books.
@@Obamas_Nipple You can go to the Kansas historical society and there are contemporaneous accounts of the cavalry following raiding parties back to the Washita.
you're completely disregarding the sand creek massacre that preceded this event, what's your justification for that?
petulant child
@@pinchevulpes Sand Creek happened because over 100 settlers were murdered by Indian raids. The Army lost 25 KIA and 52 wounded, that was a hard fight and also Blackkettle was involved with that like he was at the Washita. Custer found the Washita village by following a large raiding party that led him straight to it.
Incredible work. Keep it up!!
Were there captives in Black kettle's village at the tme of the attack? How many were killed, and who? How many were freed? Was the 7th aware of captives in village before attack? Why did village have captives? Did Benteen ever show annoyance with Elliott for going on his own "hook"?
Did anyone know exactly where Elliott went? Was searching for Elliott possible--or, even too late? Would a rescue have risked the regiment and/or the operation?
He wouldn’t ask any of these questions he only wants to attack Custer.
Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee (book) has a chapter on the Cheyennes and this event.
Very well done thank you 🙏
Please do a documentary on Spanish Fort, Texas. That has a fascinating history between the Spanish and Indians.
I am! My great grandfather was shot and killed in Spanish Fort!
Sheridan Sherman and Custer cut their teeth burning down farms and ranches throughout the Shenandoah and Georgia and all the rest.
@@davidjohnson6611 good point! They certainly weren't the gallant heros that the history books tell us. War is brutal, the winner gets to write the history.
The confederacy used the Shenendoah Valley as its larder and Grainery until it was denied to them by Sheridan. The orders to do so were not popular with the officers and men but they were followed as were the orders to quell the hostiles in Indian territory by any means possible. The era is not called the "Indians wars" for nothing.
Custer is the one that attack the village Custer didn't know they had a thousand warriors down stream
So why was this a 'massacre' again? Weren't the Indians intending to fight the Army? Wasn't it just a battle?
Holy shit man. You obviously didn’t watch the video.
@@GoWildHistory Oh I did, right to the end. The point I'm trying to make is that the term 'massacre' is subjective. One man's massacre is another man's altruistic fight for good. The way you both talk, the Indian wars were just dreamed up to make Indians suffer, when that's just not true. The Native American tribes have been butchering whites on the western frontier since the 1740's, so 150 years of your multigenerational family getting skinned alive and set on fire (Comanche) might wear on a people, no? BTW- my BA was in American History and my thesis was on the fight for the frontier.
It boggles my mind how easy natives were looked at as savage murderers. Was the military ever criticized for killing women and children, or just natives? I’m assuming they got a pass due to being at war, right?
Right? It’s rediculous what was left out of our textbooks, especially in Oklahoma.
Look up the history of how natives tortured, raped, killed and mutilated American settlers, men, women and children, travellers and farmers. Turn about is fair play, right? Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
The victors write the history.
Well people always want to bend history to fit their political beliefs, read my life on the plains by custer it will open your eyes to the political crap evident even in custers time. They had bleeding heart lefties then with the noble savage bs. The indians were a war culture with unbelievable cruel torcher that was evident on the plains we have changed history to reflect our values today and we ignore the massive atrocities committed by the indians. The indians always killed and torchered 14:29 all people men women children as a matter of coarse it was just what was done. To conflict what the cavalry did to the indians to what the indians did to each other and homesteaders is ridiculous their is no comparison. The cavalry were much more compassionate, indians, Comanche were much worse
On the contrary, in this day and age, quite the opposite is true. The U.S. military has been criticized for its brutality against the indigenous peoples ever since the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960's. Much of the criticism is deserved, of course, and the Native American has been treated harshly. Still and all, nowadays, the prevailing views toward Natives, by most Americans, is that they were an "Oh, so, serene race of noble people who just wanted to live peacefully in the forests and on the prairies". Biases and media disinformation are the main culprit for this attitude, and movies like "Dances With Wolves" helped solidify this impression.
The reality is this: the American frontier was harsh, bloody, and brutal. Atrocities and massacres were committed by both sides. Be that as it may, in today's society, all we ever hear, read, and see is how cruelly the white man has treated the Native American.
The Battle of the Washita is just one example: everyone condemns Custer as a devil incarnate for "mercilessly" wiping out a "peaceful" band of harmless Cheyenne Indians, but few words are ever spoken about the depredations Cheyenne war parties have committed on the Kansas frontier during the late 1860's. No one mentions how Cheyenne warriors gang-raped white pioneer women, burned their cabins, and killed their babies by dashing the toddlers' brains out on nearby rocks, no....that part of frontier history is ignored these days.
I stood there,,,alone,,absolutely silent
Good job on the story and filming
That is a river?
Yeah. All rivers start somewhere. When something starts, it’s usually small.
The Arkansas and Red Rivers are the only ones in Oklahoma that carry very much water year round. The Washita, North and South Canadian and Cimmaron are all about comparable size and flow.
So peacefull.Cant believe how violent it was! 😮
Custer impregnated a 14 year old Cheyenne girl and she had his baby. That is the reason his body was not mutilated at the Big Horn.
Highly likely he couldn't have kids. He never had any with his wife so its even less likely that he had an illegitimate one with an Indian.
Sorry don’t believe that.
@@grider421 ignorance is a choice.
@@grider421Lakota rules.
Myth
Now is about texas and Oklahoma or Kansas
Funny how the united states accuses other countries of terrorism but forgets what they did to native Americans. Pathetic.
It was a war! The Indians got their licks in too you know. The Fetterman massacre in Wyoming in 1866, Custer in Montana in 1876. Uncounted raids, murders and kidnappings of settlers, wagon train members and miners. The Indians chose not to go peacefully and so were dealt with in any way possible.
Good job boys!
You sound anti-American. I almost thought you were going to cry!
Awww you are so brave, hiding behind your random TH-cam name and keyboard!
My college roommate poured a small container of urine on Custer's grave at West Point.
What a fool.
What an ass ! Really brave acting like 12 year old.
@@grider421 no fool, just good judgement!
Pathetic
Trust Jesus Christ the SON of GOD!!! Roman’s 10:9 That if thou shalt Confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt Believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead , thou Shalt be Saved .Believe and Trust in the payment Christ made for Your sins , that’s Salvation.
- that’s what the Europeans used to pacify the poor Indians, pure Christian BS, to become martyrs.
And this is relevant to the great video how?
Shame, shame, shame.
This land was give to the Indians by treaty, as long as the grass grows, the wind blows, & the sky is blue!!!!!!!!!
Were there captives in Black kettle's village at the tme of the attack? How many were killed, and who? How many were freed? Was the 7th aware of captives in village before attack? Why did village have captives? Did Benteen ever show annoyance with Elliott for going on his own "hook"?
Did anyone know exactly where Elliott went? Was searching for Elliott possible--or, even too late? Would a rescue have risked the regiment and/or the operation?