A Chilling Effect on Free Speech? Highest Sentences So Far
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- Harsh sentences following the UK riots and violent disorder have instilled fear into social media of crushing free speech.
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I will watch. All we have to protect us from Tyranny is the Kings Bench and the upper judiciary. So far, the lower judiciary have been like Starmers flying monkeys.
OK...But what is the average Brit doing to change things, exactly ? Real change can happen at the *local* level, too.
- So if a teacher indoctrinates your kid, you need to rally the other parents and challenge the principal
- And if a mayor wants to bring in migrants to town, you need to rally the neighbours and petition.
Howver, just "hoping" that a celebrity - Murray or Elon Musk - compensate for the average guy's cowardice.. is plain ludicrous.
Thanks for all your free advice. Good luck with the case against you 👍
I do not understand how it is alleged when it's clearly on film? Makes no sense.
"Kill a thousand to intimidate a million" ~ Trotsky
"WHEN EXPOSING A CRIME IS TREATED AS COMMITTING A CRIME, YOU ARE BEING RULED BY CRIMINALS"
E.Snowden
Yep xxd
@@lignow9762 What crime are you talking about?
@@KhruC looting,assault,throwing bricks are freedom of expression now apparently not crimes...... the OP is just a pithy comment posted out of context , the fact its got so many up votes shows the level of conversation that exists on this topic
Ah yes one of my better ones
@@boostar155 I guess your unaware of the arrests and charges that were made in the first riot , like the bus fire. The case involving the children has very little information publically available as it involves children , the details out in public atm are that a suspected head injury treated at a hospital to a child was not "accidental" , hence the removal order, however removing children from roma families is an international problem as it disproportionalty impacts them and a review of the case has been ordered
Couldn’t prosecute sir Jimmy for 40 years of child abuse but can prosecute these people. Disgusting
They knighted him and many more pedos and the BBC said not a word.
Well Said !!
Ae you suggesting that violent disorder ans riot should be excused because of a precieved pat wrong?
Ah well. Jimmy had friends.
What did you do that was of any consequence with regards to that kiddie fiddler
What I dont understand is how court system ignored the BLM riots.
They were not riots. No citizens were attacked with bricks, bottles and petrol bombs.
Probably because they weren't riots. They didn't assault the police, smash up towns, commit arson or loot.
Because they never got to court - the police largely ignored them.
Or the grooming gangs
Police and Politicians all on thier knees for the camers ?
silencing your people is a sign of weakness not strength
Exactly. Its the tantrum of a weak regime that knows it has little support.
People have done far worse and been handed much lower sentences. They want to silence opposition, and this is how it starts.
It started before this.
Exactly ukar69, I always try to think positively in bad situations but all I can see right now is that things are going to get a lot worse and darker from here on in. Desperate times ahead sadly.
Worse than throwing rocks, hospitalising police, looting and arson?
@@Steve_Coates people have been given prison sentences for social media posts. Someone was done for just watching a riot and not in any way participating in it. Police are more concerned with speech than actual harm, case in point, grooming gangs.
@@Steve_CoatesWorse than Facebook posts muppet oh like gang ra*ing 12 year old children. Honestly if you sad leftys had a brain cell it would feel like it was in solitary confinement.
If only the CPS could be so zealous in other respects. This is clearly politically driven and I am very uncomfortable with it.
It's utter propaganda on their part. Disgusting how they can suddenly find and prosecute people when they desire to.
all the severe ab*se of children on the internet and we're told the police don't have the manpower to even partially work in any meaningful way to catch these people...yet Keir Jong Un able to mobilise so many police for this. Both as DPP and as PM Starlin shows that protecting children is not his priority.
I'd be interested how many mosques contain weapons as the police so casually told the Birmingham Muslim rioters to put their weapons in the mosque. I guess they'll never dare to look so we'll never know.
Me too, it is very sinister and racist to white people.
Politics trumps police and CPS
It's a pity they don't act so quickly against the grooming gangs.
They did not write it online, they actually did it. too dangerous to sentence them :(
@@favesongslistNo. It's the fact that they pleaded guilty straight away.
@@waqasahmed939 and how many days did it take again for the rapists to get arrested? Oh, not days, so weeks? Months? Years? DECADES?!
So yeah, they did go after protestors and social media posters a tiny bit faster. By a factor of several thousand times faster...
@@waqasahmed939 Or their privileged minority status.
@@waqasahmed939 I was referring to the grooming gangs
I don't understand how someone goes down on one knee to rioting mobs who destroyed our monuments and then becomes prime minister and then cracks down on rioting mobs. Get me off this planet please.
It's easy to understand, this was the plan all along.
You don't understand because you're thick, not because it's wrong.
He was virtual signalling.
That's just disengenuous.
Ah, I understand your confusion. Statues do _look_ a lot like people, but if you look very carefully you'll notice that they're actually made out of stone or metal, and as such, are not alive. Therefore it's a less serious crime to throw statues into the sea than it is to try to burn down hotels or blow up places of worship that contain actual alive people who could die as a result.
we have no free speech in the uk, we haven't for years
No country has ever had free speech as some people understand it (i.e freedom to say anything you like), not even the USA, there are consequences to all speech in every country
No we don't have freedom of speech we have freedom of expression as enshrined in the ECHR this is subject to certain caveats essentially you can't threaten people with violence or incite others to violence. Although the freedom of speech in the united states has similar caveats.
We've never had freedom of speech, we have freedom of expression which is similar. You can say anything you like as long as it doesn't amount to incitement, don't encourage people to violence and you'll be fine.
@@Steve_Coates and someone that wrote that didn't want to give his money to who committed crimes and be unpunished, get a heavy sentence?
@@philipnorthfield We clearly don't have freedom of expression either if you want to be that pedantic.
The judge's reference to "anti-establiahment" comments should scare us all. Despotism is a thing.
What does the SS have on those types?
They are coming for the poor working class whites anyway ! Self censorship won’t protect us !
@@Winstonsmithsalias A decent uniform.
Poop plopism is a thing 🎉🎉 scary uz allll
Hardly. Pointing out the importance of our institutions is not scary to normal people. It's reassuring.
Nuts 6 mouths carrying a knife but 15 months for writing a comment on Facebook
The Klingons have always got away with it.
Check out the guy getting let out of prison for what he did to a 14 years old in newcastle machetes attack where a 14 year old died after 6 months in jail Google it
10er for carrying a knife
Would you be fine if say a Muslim said similar about churches or synagogues? Would you have similar disdain if they received a sentence like that ? Or would you actually want a harsher sentence?
In short, she was inciting people to commit acts of murder and terrorism.
@@karlpedersen7Klingons have honour they do not unless your talking original Kirk star trek then they are back stabbing dogs.
Making people fear to speak, is restriction on speech. It is the plan, it is the goal.
Just as well all of this country's lawyers are so sick and perverted that they will do nothing to help us 🙂
Its also the end of democracy. You can't have real democracy if people are afraid share ideas with each other.
The case was for throwing bricks at the police
Just what HITLER did if I remember rightly, make people fearful of what they might say, even got children to spy on their own parents, is that what's going to happen next, I Never thought it could happen in this country, but with two teir keir in charge, ANYTHING could happen. Yes holding your thought is exactly what the government wants, which is fine as long that applies to "EVERYONE", including government and the police.
@@mjowsey The case was about a social media post.
Hurting someone's feelings shouldn't be a criminal offense.
well it is, good.
@@beaulieuc8910🙄
@@beaulieuc8910… you can’t give offence, you can only take it!
@@beaulieuc8910 You have hurt my feeeeelings! That is very real harm, which is violence! REPORTING YOU TO THE POLICE!!!
@@beaulieuc8910 Nope it is not . I can and will hurt the feelings of anyone . Come for me and that is fine but I will keep to my right of freedom
Should the prime minister be held accountable for his actions
Yes, but that never happens
Its called not voting for them ever
What has he done?
@@kevinrobb86 Why does your comment not get more likes, why do so many British people not like to be held accountable for their voting habit's. It's bizarre the vast majority of the UK population did not want Labour, and how to avoid a Labour Government was obvious. The Conservatives were dead in the water so only Reform gave a real alternative. None of what is happening now would have happened, if the British people for once acted in the interest of this country, just once.
The question should really be should the media, including social media, be held responsible. It was, after all, they who published the misinformation about the killer of those girls.
How can the PM be held responsible for his actions, he didn't speculate on the identity of the killer. He had only been in power a few weeks and soon after he got the job parliament was shut down for summer. He made it clear that those involved would be traced and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
How about the 95% of Criminals who are now ignored by the Police.
Go read a book.
@@colincampbell4261
Can you recommend one of your favourites from your Kid's picture book collection?
@@colincampbell4261in 1945 484,000 crimes were reported
What was it last year? Over 6 million
You go read something other than harry potter
@@colincampbell4261what a ridiculous response to what is a serious, valid comment.
Where did you get that exact number? What crimes are ignored?
My country is lost but I’ve already tutored my children in what Britain used to be the good and the bad, our country is gone.
This is how freedom and Democracy die: not with a bang, but a whimper.
And it can happen quite fast at the end...
People voted for this. Cry me a river somewhere else.
Many ordinary people have gone out on the streets to protest - at last. A shame that there were elements of criminality. But it is hard to resist the idea that elements of criminality in other communities appear to have won a lot of 'respect.
@@Xerxesro1 Most people didn't vote for it, actually. So maybe think of something a bit smarter to say next time, cry baby.
@@elkpaz560 It's not respect, it's fear. The community in question know they are almost above the law and certainly won't be held to the same standards as the rest of us. This, combined with their low IQ, interbreeding and aggressive temperaments, makes them a scary proposition for "normal" people,
And here the UK is helping Ukraine to defend "Democracy" but they don't really practice it themselves... What hypocrisy 🤣
What makes you think they are defending "Democracy" in the Ukraine?. Unless you describe it as the bastadised version they seem to pass off as "Democracy" these days. I think the word "Democracy" needs the letter n inserting between the o and c, what do you think?.
You can criticise so called "despot" nations for their lack of "Democracy", but right now, at this moment in time, countries like Russia are more "Democratic" than countries in the west.
Of course I shouldn't be saying this as it sounds like "anti-establishment rhetoric" which is what a man from Lincoln was arrested for yesterday. So, I guess we're gonna see how clever GCHQ, 5 and 6 really are, as my IP should be showing as Bogota, Colombia 🤣🤣
This "blackbeltbarrister" reckons he knows how to make money and it's a shame i'm not a prophet because prior to 2022 I should have bought shares in DJI (a drone manufacturer), and at the start of this year, I should have bought shares in VPN providers as I reckon their gonna make a mint!
Just think of how many drones have been manufactured since the start of the Ukro war?
And just imagine the "explosion" in VPN subscriptions now that free speech has been suppressed?
Yeah ahmm Ukraine isn’t even close to being a democracy.
@@user-mx3be1jy8u "You can criticise so called "despot" nations for their lack of "Democracy", but right now, at this moment in time, countries like Russia are more "Democratic" than countries in the west." - That just isn’t even close to being true. I hate this government as much as the next person but i hate them specifically because they are following the Russian example.
Ukraine 🇺🇦 is a much better place to live even in its current situation...
@@user-mx3be1jy8u Putin got in power by Killing people and just beening next to a Window,
Sentencing to 'Send a message', pure fascism.
It's for those who get knocked down by a feather. Welcome to lightweight Britain.
I'd call it restoring the peace.
Fascists calling leftists fascists - pure projection. I guess it's predictable that projection is the only social media ammunition these thickos have.
Try the Swedish way where 13 years olds are given murder contracts as the punishment for them is non-existent. Sentencing according to the sentencing guidelines to send a message that this type of behaviour will no longer be tolerated (whereas previously it may have been tolerated as the occurrences were few and far between) is not fascism, it's applying the current laws.
Surely an aspect of all sentences is to send a message? Deterrence is intrinsic to criminal justice.
Haven't the home office prejudiced the trials by describing people as criminals before their trials have taken place?
These political prisoners will be put on appeal and then be able to sue for false arrest and the rest. This regime is acting against laws the UK has agreed to.
Most of the prosecutions are malicious and will be overturned, leading to thousands of civil cases against the regime.
Unfortunately, police and politicians have frequently done this throughout the decades on regards of all types of suspects.
Not if they were engaged in criminal acts or have a criminal record of similar offences, surely?
From a Nanny state, to big brother and now finally a Police State.
The worst is yet to come.
@@davidhardaker192 facts!
Dressed up as a nanny state " we need to keep communities safe"...abusive much? Our society is in an abusive relationship with its parliament.
Read 11 recommendations of the Frankfurt school.
Meanwhile: Parliamentary privilege grants certain LEGAL IMMUNITIES for Members of both Houses to allow them to perform their duties without interference from outside of the House. Parliamentary privilege includes FREEDOM OF SPEECH and the right of both Houses to regulate their own affairs.
Justice can be very selective in modern Britain.
Justice is not justice if it is selective.
it is everywhere, but that for different reasons, maybe come to Uganda.
I agree. The sentences for the peaceful "Stop oil" protesters was way out of proportion to the petty nuisance they caused. These rioting thugs have been given disproportionately small sentences.
@@stephanguitar9778 FOOL
Justice has always been thus, when metered out by man devoid of the considerations of Christ and the directions of The Holy Bible. May revival come and bring us all to redemption and rain His justice on the heads of those pursuing evil in these days.
Are other rioters going to prison for burning vehicles, carrying machetes and saying death to Israel etc?
It appears that (threats of) violence is the only thing the government respect. Ergo, if you want your voice heard by the UK government, respond in kind, and yee shall have your way.
Chanting something is diffrent than burning police cars ,vans etc you mug
Irs not about Israel. Don't be divided and rule. That's what the establishment wants. People have a right to protest. If you take that away. Then you are with the government of enforcement. Because you are far left. Remember it's not what you say .It's what who you talk to. In others word's the Internet.
Yes people who aren't domestic terrorists but were rioting in Leeds have been arrested and prosecuted.
@@susanplatt5331 OK Susan what exactly is a riot .is it burning a car a bus. Destroying a shopping centre. This happens regularly. But now it's a riot. How times have changed. Revelations is on the horizon when the citizens are persecuted.
Who judges the judges? History tells us that in time, accountability is inevitable!
“I was just following orders” didn’t the first time. It won’t work this time either.
The question should read why are we being silenced. Not are we being silenced.
Kalergi plan
I am deeply concerned about what's happening in the ranks of our politicians, police and judiciary. Just how are we able to protest without getting arrested? It's appalling. Civil liberties in the UK are dead 😭😳🤬
Don't throw bricks then, simple.
Blame the people who take the piss with so called protests
Don't burn down a hotel, don't loot greggs, don't attack police, don't shout racist stuff. It is actually pretty easy. I bet I could go out and protest something right now and not get arrested. If you have problem understanding how you can protest without getting arrested you are either a moron or a bigot.
"Just how are we able to protest without getting arrested?"
Try to protest without resorting to violent acts?
@@colincampbell4261. Typical Tory reaction. You keep justifying putting the working classes in prison
Justice is selective
Yup
In a sense...
Those scales of justice seem to have a great big heavy lump of something in one of them.
its actually for the rich
@@michaeld5888 it's a thumb
Why isn’t your government addressing the actual real problem that the entire country is unhappy about, the mass immigration problem.
Because it is the central agenda. It is the Kalergi plan in operation as it has been for the last several decades.
@@disco169 1) the Government has inherited a mess from 14 years of Conservative Governments and has been in power for a month or so and 2) not all of the country IS concerned by immigration. You get quite a skewed perception online and with these riots.
@@JoFlossIs every criticism of Labour going to be "blame conservatives"?
I don't know. Why doesn't your government address you minding your own business?
I think they could be trying to infuriate those of the population who are on the right to the point of riot, so they can then bring in tyrannical laws against free speech, further crack down on the internet and bring in digital ID cards.
I am not saying this is what I think is happening, just that it is possible.
I find this situation very concerning, I hope there is no more rioting and that we can all have more peaceful dialogue like Richard Grannon had on his channel recently.
I never thought I could despise anyone as much as Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell..........
Going to war illegally against another country is one thing... going to war against your own population is another matter.
I feel the same way regarding Starmer
Just shows you how wrong you can be, sack this traitor and his government
TONY BLAIR is running this behind the curtain. Blair wants Klaus Schwabb's old job as chief of the WEF. Starmer is a WEF fancier.
How about Johnson, Truss, Sunak, Badenoch, Patel, Kwateng, Braverman et al (a fine collection of British names there)? You have a short memory.
Being sent down for "shouting and gesticulating" was ridiculous and draconian enough, but being sent down for "anti-Government rhetoric" as one guy was, is direct and admitted political imprisonment. If this man cannot get a quick appeal I hope he applies for asylum in a free country. He is literally a political prisoner. Disgraceful that should even be the case in the UK but here we are.
Here here.
The fact that regime minions are going along with this is a problem.
Last time this happened on these green and once pleasant lands, was to the Irish in the 60s, 70s and 80s
Anti government rhetoric? Wtf is this country, Russia?
What is happening to the muslims who rioted, burning buses and smashing up cop car, after social services removed children?
They gave the kids back
Starmer; "We're on your side."
The police ran away. I don't condone violence in any form
Nada as usual
Nothing..whites only .. just look at the pics in press..Zero diversity
Labour and the Conservatives are the best reason to vote for Reform UK.
Reform are the best reason to vote for them people who understand the real world
This proves justice is political
it does not.
@@badfairy9554 Oh go back to sleep dumbo
Yes they’ve got their activist judges in place ready for what’s to come
Yep
@cgat1955 yep
What about the offence of arriving here illegally?
They have rights , you don't
Sentenced to hotel accommodation .
Time to fight back
You're sentenced to free housing and free money, you may even be sentence to receiving a free phone, as part of your sentence you'll have free reign to commit crimes which you'll have the full extent of the law protecting you because of your heritage!
What about it?
I really think starmer has handled this incredibly badly, unforgivably so.
Deliberately so
Divide and conquer!!My Arse🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
Agree fully xx
No, you took on a former DPP. You're the ones in need of forgiveness. After a decade when blather allowed a universe of injustice, you discovered the world changed on 4th July. You ran into competence. Competence won.
@@JelMainYou're missing a crucial element though. Not everyone is getting treated the same and that is blatant discrimination.
The cost of imprisoning someone in the UK is around £65,000, including police, court costs, and other steps. After that, it costs an additional £40,000 for each year they spend in prison. And the tax payer contributes to this!
Yet the 2 attackers in Manchester Airport still walk around freely?!?!?!?! Absolutely disgusting!!!
you of course has some facts to back you up with context.
Knocked me sick that mate 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Well lve not seen their photos and sentances splashed all over the media so i presume that there has been no charges made against them so yes perfectly true comment that they ARE walking around
Freely @@peteratkin3788
They do? Citation please.
He’s covered this, please listen before commenting.
I am a retired police officer and have had 2 personal experiences of people pleading guilty and others pleading not guilty at the same incident. Those pleading guilty were found guilty - those pleading not guilty were found not guilty, despite the same evidence being offered to the magistrates court. If you plead guilty the court has no choice but to find you guilty.
not much of a policeman. If you plead guilty, you are not "found guilty" you just are. If you plead guilty no evidence is presented because it isn't needed. Policeman my arse!
Makes me question the legal advisor they relied on before pleading. And did they actually plead guilty.
True, if you plead guilty you admit guilt. If not, you might be found innocent. However, if you aren't found innocent you'll get a more severe sentence than the person who pleaded guilty. I'm surprised that a policeman doesn't know such basics.
@@barbthegreat586 You get a third knocked off your sentence when pleading guilty so even if you only have a 34% chance of being acquitted after pleading not guilty you are still getting better odds than pleading guilty. Plus, if the purpose of your protest was to annoy the authorities then pleading not guilty will annoy them a lot more than pleading guilty. Everyone involved in the protests should plead not guilty and drive the courts round the bend.
@@barbthegreat586 I am fully aware of it ..
Have you seen the pinned tweet from the Home Office labelling the 1000+ arrested citizens "criminals". Quote .... " These criminals will face the full force of the law " . Guilty and convicted by the Home Office before trial it seems ! I find this quite alarming and sinister.
Yes, utterly disgusting. Defamation of character. Guilty before proven guilty.
So much for innocent until proven guilty, as per our Constitution I believe.
When you compare the amount of people that protested, to those arrested, it’s quite minimal.
@@str1xtentirely correct as such statements can not be made before trial as it may influence the decision and as such you may be charged with an offence for doing so. Even the subhuman who allegedly killed 3 children and wounding 10 with multiple witnesses hasn’t got such threats of prosecution or punishment.
They are not been found guilty, they are admitting guilt, so then it straight to.sentencing, No Trial, if you plead that you are Guilty, you don't need a trial to find you Guilty, that's how they all getting locked up so quick. By pleading guilty they face a few months which they probably get released after half that sentence, versus pleading Not Guilty, going to trial, potentially being Found Guilty and possibly getting a 5 year sentence or more depending on what they charged with. Which option would you prefer - a few months or a few years behind bars. They are the options those accused are facing, and their lawyers are strongly advising them to plead Guilty. And a trial would cost them a fortune in legal fees too, win or lose. They mainly if not all, working class, they simply can't afford it and probably been told they don't quite qualify for legal aid.
I run my own business in the UK and am now considering relocating it in a country that values it's culture and heritage and defends it's borders. Ths country is a hideous mess.
So you've decided to become an immigrant.
The regime has condemned the British economy. Businesses will divest, tourism will collapse and the job market will collapse.
@@stubones Tourism was already declining due to a lack of workers in the hospitality sector and widespread violent rioting will certainly impact this years figures.
I now live in the 'Soviet State of Communist Britain' with our illustrious leader Kim Yong-Starmer.
Waiting for the Stasi to knock on my door for WRONG-SPEAK.
As a pensioner a winter in prison would be a lot warmer than trying to keep my home warm.
Poor poor you.
Kier Wrong-Un
If you are struggling to keep your home warm you qualify for the winter payments still, and other benefits as well
@@davidioanhedgesno you dont if you are one pence over the pension .If your income is one penny over .Thats alot of pensioners i know a few who are dreading the cold weather .
@@colincampbell4261 poor poor everyone with this far left socialist government
He passed on the child pedophiles and Jimmy saville but comes down on face book posts .
He seems to have the judiciary under his control
The guys a F in traitor
No prosecutions like these in the BLM riots?
No no, they were all "mostly peaceful".
Can you post a link to a reputable report on how they're burning libraries and stealing crocks? Thanks.
When colonising a country the natives always have to be repressed .
One guy got charged for showing a picture of some immigrants and captioned in "coming to a town near you". He got 6 months for this. What I want to know is why he pleaded guilty to this. What possible crime did he break for this email. Whoever advised him to plead guilty is a fool, probably some ambulance chasing legal aid lawyer. They are threatening some of these working class folk, because they probably don't know that they have certain human rights that would be protected by the ECHR. They are bamboozling these working class guys into pleading guilty. He should have fought in this particular case! This is truly scandalous.
We live under a dick-tatorship. He was told plead guilty and have a third off your sentence , or no bail and you will be held in remand until your court case is due in 9 months time. This is lawfare and it is f***ing disgusting. Ir makes my blood boil what is happening to my once civilised country.
He was maliciously advised to plead guilty by a regime appointed lawyer.
Yet the far right want to remove the ECHR! 😂
@@serinadelmar6012 Good for them. And?
@@serinadelmar6012 Everything good in the ECHR came from the British Constitution.
EVERYTHING. We WROTE it after WWII.
That the rioting wasn't immediately replaced with a general strike and mass demonstrations shows how weak the British people have become in a mere three generations.
The unions are in league with the establishment's woke globalist project.
Or that only a small fringe of English society are gullible lopheads.
@@nonyadamnbusiness9887 no, it shows how much most British people are not racist thugs
Disgusted at the 2 tier justice system and policing. 🤮
Yes, unbelievable that a person gets 15 months incarceration for an unsuitable post.. Seems excessive..
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If only the authorities applied the same standards for the followers of the religion of peace.
@Finbarr-x4i Rotherham grooming gangs, BLM riots. Leeds Riot
@Finbarr-x4i If you have two functioning eyes and a functioning brain then that is your evidence, if you don't believe that there is two tier policing and two tier judiciary going on then your eyes and brain are not being used properly.
Shout it from the rooftops people ...." Sticks and Stones may break my bones but Names will NEVER hurt me" This is just as true today as it was yesterday!
It's not really about whether these comments hurt people though is it, it's about government control and removing peoples freedoms of expression. A common tool used by authoritarian governments. They'll claim its to protect people from harm, but that is just an appeal to a nobler motive. The real motive is control, and to encourage civilians to obey whatever narrative or mindset the government wants them to.
When judges are implying that the CPS have got it wrong, aren’t we in another mess of inconsistency?
Since Starmer provoked the riots, is he going to face any jail time?
thats a good point is someone going to draw up charges on him
Like f is he
Explain how Starmer provoked the riots. Christ, he's only been in office a few weeks. Maybe the fact he is in office at all sparked the riots. After all, decades of degeneration, starting in 1979 and accelerating in the last 10 years, and they choose to riot....now.
Did you enjoy school?
My mistake, Did you go to school?
The UK has no justice, just ask those who get burglary or car theft.
All you receive is a Crime reference number.. No matter how much evidence you have..
Never plead guilty, always get a solicitor get bail and seek a Jury hearing.
If you are allowed, many seem to have been denied bail and held on remand
That OK if you haven't broken the law, if you have provably broken the law it just gets you a longer sentence.
Free men say whatever they want whenever they want.
I would frankly be embarrassed to call myself a representative of the law, knowing how corrupt it's becoming.
I'm far more concerned about the grooming gangs, the 40k folks on the terrorist watch list, Hamas supporters, BLM rioters than I ever will be about the so called far right!
You should be more worried about those that climb the political system because it is that that will do the most damage.
Does that mean the many white grooming gangs or just the brown ones. Do you mean the one's who were brought back by the tories while they distracted the gullibles with shemima begum. Blm was a protest. Any violence came from the far right, pretending to be blm, that's a proven fact. The far right have no morals or humanity and they play dirty because they're weak. Obviously, you're comfortable with them.
That's labour's base so nothing Will happen.
That's because you are a freak.
That 40k are on the list for things they've said on social media
The British government sucks. But I’m American and our government is almost as bad. I know we’ve lost so much freedom since I grew up near New York City in the 1960’s and 70’s. Government just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
The nationalists in NI haven't received these sentences for similar levels of violence, nor have the Muslim vigilantes. 'Two tier justice' was Starmer's own verdict on the UK legal system in 2015.
😮 the same Kier Starmer???
Kids throwing bricks at police cars....Harehills. Man sets fire to a bus ...Harehills....what happened to them?
I think he said aggravated or violent assault/disorder and rioting?
The thing is I am sure they were arrested and charged, but the general media don't make a scene out of it because arresting minorities is.... unseemly.
Got off Scott free
@@nigeltrump6443They didn't though. You're selectively reading.
Two arrested and charged so far according to the msm..haven't seen any other info on it
If we can't say what we think under our roof then we have no roof.
I do
Yes you can, saying it in public or posting it on social media is a different case.
Yep xx
Not in Scotland!@@Steve_Coates
Instead, you have 1984.
One group does it, instant court and jail time.
A different group does it, and an enquiry is held. 🙄
and then redacted to a few benign paragraphs before release LOL
And if ANOTHER group does "something" ...Police are told to "shut up" and let it continue................
I don’t remember such swift and severe punishment after the BLM riots!,or did I miss something?
Be careful mate. Imagine saying that to someone for talking.
Yes, you missed melanin content ……
Advice for the judges. History is not kind to those who abuse power when the revolution comes.
Careful there, the UK courts could interpret this as a threat and imprison you for however long they think is necessary to re-educate you.
@@bjornroesbeke Im a Uruguayan citizen living in beautifull and free Uruguay with ZERO interest in ever setting foot on that hellhole the UK has turned into. Here I can say that and much more without fear or repercussion. So her majesty's courts can go fook themselves.
@@bjornroesbeke id love to see them try!! lol my country, Uruguay, dosnt take lightly of others screwing with its citizens. Oh, and we are allowed to have arms.
@@raukouy what about legs?
@@ChimpingBulldog legs is what the brits had to flee running the 2 times they tried to invade this area-
Can anyone let us know what actions were taken against protestors marching through London carrying banners saying "behead those who insult Islam"?
It's not offensive to the ruling class and judges only have opinions that they're given.
The whole idea of giving an individual a harsher sentence for their crime than the judge otherwise would’ve given in order to “send a message” to others is the epitome of evil.
These people play games with people lives.
I haven't seen any suspended sentences so far, very few bails either heing handed out.
Free speech under Socialists? Are you serious?
Labour are far from socialist.
Free speach under nazi? Lol
Using the laws that were passed by the Tories.. It is a Uniparty conspiracy against the people
@@colincampbell4261 more like the Facists, Nazis and Communists all wrapped up as one.
@@guyplessier7935 you really don’t understand any of those words do you?
It's no coincidence that millionairs are leaving the UK in their hundreds.
Where to ?
Once they burned books, now it’s social media.
"Where they burn books, they will, in the end, burn human beings too." Heinrich Heine.
It won't stop with Social Media.
educate yourself...they burned deviant p0rn
😂😂😂 yep xc
Were these people all advised of their rights, offered proper legal representation and given the opportunity to have a jury trial?
Two-tier broken Britain 2024.
I suspect that these people being ordinary Joes and not hardened criminals, they just broke very quickly and plead guilty very quickly in the hopes that they can get as small a sentence as possible.
Doubt there was a jury, probably a corrupt & biased judge.
Given the amount of video evidence they'd be idiots to plead not guilty. The fun part is that a lot of the video evidence was provided by idiots livestreaming their mates breaking the law.
No, they were coerced into pleading guilty by government appointed lawyers.
Kangaroo courts
The last few years have been bizarre and scary at times- the last month simply surreal and now becoming actually very sinister.
Two-Tier Judiciary when you see nothing happening to a certain demographic in Manchester, Leeds and Southend!
If the recent prosecutions mean something, I'd be careful about this post. People have, literally, been jailed for as much. Especially since you seem to have a video of yourself on your channel. I'd either delete that video, or this comment to be safe. At least don't make it too easy for the police to identify you. They go after the low hanging fruit first.
@@dodgechance4564 thanks for the concern, but there is nothing on this post that I consider to be inflammatory, it was an observation.
BBB, aren't you concerned that the judiciary seems to be doing the bidding of the executive by 'bringing the full force of the law' against white criminals while seemingly overlooking the crimes of others?
Impartiality?
BBB does not Care. he is here to make money on this Mis-info Channel.
If only that were true
@@super_happy_alien509no need to be nasty. If you don’t like the channel move on.
@@kityfitz Pointing out what BBB is doing is not Nasty. in Fact it would more Nasty Not to point it out. IF you really belive The Fake Title on this Vids as a Honest Qustion and not Shit stiring to make money and views.
Free speech remember or is it yo don;t like what i am saying so you telling me to move on coz maybe i ruining you little Bubble of hate This channel is projecting.
@@super_happy_alien509 As a barrister he won't need the money, so that's a fail from you! In reality this channel is a revelation amidst the usual nonsense on TH-cam.
How many BLM rioters were charged with (let alone convicted of) rioting?
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@@clairewilson524 🛝
Around 2000.
@@j.artiste8596 What were there sentences?
@@Jim-i2y - 2 years listening to Taylor Swift...
We'll now enter a stage of apathy towards authority and politics. People will no longer voice their opinion publicly for fear of persecution and a lack of conversation around important issues impacting this country will ultimately make our society worse off. When the government set the rules for what is deemed "acceptable", social discourse will cease.
Then something besides talk will take place.
using a VPN will help.
Kangaroo courts, no justice, no jury, no defence, forcing to plea by intimidation and abuse
Yup. I wonder if they're being intimidated further with the prospect of being held among particularly hostile prisoners of muslim faith until trial. We know the justice system weaponized hostile muslim prisoners against Tommy Robinson...
Exactly.
I always thought it was 'innocent until proven guilty'. So, even if you ARE innocent, you don't get to plead your case.
Admit to guilt and get a reduced sentence. Maintain innocence, and the book gets thrown at you.
Reminds me of "swimming the witch" trials.
Always go for a jury, you only need a couple to get off, especially with these bs crimes.
But they are pleading guilty so no need for a jury.
@@Stringbean421 that's where their getting bad advice
I joined the Free Speech Union.
I suggest people who want to keep freedom of speech and can afford it do the same.
I think this Labour regime is oppressive.
how much is it
£8.99 per month.
Where is this ? Is this a British thing ?
@@jani7166thanks phone kept erroring
@@clewis4744 free speech union. One off payment £59 annually or £8.99 monthly. Silver cover. Uk. In case anybody is interested.
The crown prosecution service is political
The way they were tracked down, arrested, charged and given a custodial sentence is very disturbing. These are not Labour politicians.
Many actually posted what they were doing themselves on their own social media. Nothing sinister or disturbing but good that they help the police and snitch on themselves.
They are exactly what Labour politicians have been for decades now, it started with a smile (Blair) and continues with Sneer Starmer, who knows how it will end.
I honestly don't know how it's possible.
I never thought a UK government would or could sink so low!
How many years for breaking a police womens nose or walking around in public with machetes, swords, knives and hammers ?
They will come to court in due time.
@@colincampbell4261lol
@@colincampbell4261It's like they don't understand how if you plead guilty, it's far quicker
They ignore that Muslims also had similar if not longer sentences for saying similar stuff, but obviously in reverse. That and the "Oh she got 15 months" crowd would immediately call a Muslim a terrorist for suggesting similar and would want an even higher sentence.
But hey, the "two tier" system is apparently against fascists who incite terrorism and then get a relatively low sentence for said incitement to terrorism
@colincampbell4261 No, they won't.
@bellavida7628 0 years
What the hell is wrong with these judges???
They are evil.
The Judges are drunk on snorting Despot-Starmer’s shite.
Can we have Starmer arrested for taking to the knee to encourage rioters to run riot on our streets ?
Utter nonsense.
Can we arrest to government at the time for not doing anything? Wait no that would mean "Alexander something or other johnson" being arrested we can't have that.
@@colincampbell4261 why?
@@favesongslist It's nonsense to expect any comeback from that, since Black Lives Matter are an institutionally sanctioned activist group.
When did he encourage rioters exactly?
zero charged for leeds riots.
Not true.
@@colincampbell4261Very few. They chased the police, pity they didn't catch a few because we'd be having a very different discussion today. They'll show their true colours soon enough, please wake up Colin we've never seen exclusively male 'asylum seekers' before we're being played. Look into the WEF and Agenda 30.
Have seen that two have been
Yes there has just the right wing media haven’t reported it
The Establishment crushing the Working Man under their jack boot.History repeats.
How is it that the wife of a conservative MP is allowed to have her court date delayed 3 weeks to assess her mental state? Why aren't we seeing this offered to other people?
She should have been cautioned by the police, why bother going though court and trial hearings?
are Judges corrupt? why is the sentencing so severe, its complete BS
So far the sentencing has been light compared to previous violent riots.
I don't believe the sentencing is severe. Many are getting as little as 8 weeks in prison. Just stop oil got 5 years
Looting Greggs, Shoezone and Lush? I despair of the quality of todays rioters.
One guy who was sent down today for 4.5 years was videoed and wit71nessed attacking aa car with 3 people in it, then proceeded to damage 9 more. The helped break into Lush was then videoed looting the shop, then gave armful of loot to passers by saying "merry christmas", helped break 1into the O2 shop and loot several other offences down Jameson St Hull. Then threw missiles at the police. The reason he was caught quickly his distinctive flag of St George t-shirt.
@@GrahamAckrill You agree with 4 and a half years sentence for that. Nice description though. Now tell us about BLM protesters assaulting the police
@@christophercurtis2893 Considering he had 6 offences plus the violent disorder charge and what du=id then yes. Had he of been charged of riot instead the he would have been looking at up to 10 years. He was also boast to others that was now famous so he showed little remorse before his trial.
LOL
@@simoncollins6529 So you think it was funny that this guy was a part in the criminal damage to a car and helped assault the cars 3 occupants. That he then went onto criminally damage 9 other cars. That he helped smash the window of Lush and then took part in the looting of the store. That he then gave away his loot to passers by. That he also assisted in the looting of Greggs. He also assisted in the looting of the O2 shop were over £40,000 of stock was stolen. That he also threw missiles at the police and committed further violent disorder to the police. His defence barrister tried to use his borderline autism as a mitigating circumstance. And you think all that is amusing. He got exactly what he deserved and was bloody lucky not to be charged with riot as there was far far more than 12 people involved, where he would have been looking at at he most 10 years. The LOL is on you.
On Jameson St alone Lush, Greggs, Specsavers, O2 shop, Waterstones, a hair salon above Lush, were all had broken windows ,. O2 was ransacked and looted, Greggs looted, Lush looted, they even tried looting the Morrisons Daily. The Shoezone shop was looted and then they even tried to set fire to the shop. Bins and footpath repairs alone are cost the Council and ultimately us at least £17,000.
I want to break free from oppression and selective authoritarian control.
Why is no one pleading not guilty and asking for jury trial ?? With sympathetic jury would get off
man. This place is going to pot.
I don't think it's the country, just a greater number of uneducated thugs.
Its not going to pot it already has .....its a fcking cesspit
Yeah - too many cars.
Pol Pot from the sound of it
@@colincampbell4261 and opinions, apparently.
This once again proves why the second amendment in the US is so important, because any government in the world can turn tyrannical against its own people.
Speech is not completely free even in the USA, there are consequences to speech even there
Tulsi Gabbard was put on the "watch list", Scott Ritter was raided by the FBI and Trump might get put in prison next month... Talk about election interference... Look at the Dutch farmers, The Canadian truckers, now the UK for Facebook posts... I think this has all been engineered by the Global Cabal and WEF... But I might be wrong... Just my 2 cents... Ha!
100% Trump 2024 MAGA 💪
Keep your 2nd . Guns don't solve anything .. You should know this.
Incitement is illegal in the USA
As a German I have to say that in my opinion GB was already for nearly 20 years a country that showed a lack of democracy in general and abuse of power by the police. Beginning in the mid to late 2000s there was a widespread abuse of section 44 "stop and search" under the Terrorism Act of 2000 against anybody who was deemed "suspicious", for example amateur photographers who took photographs near governmental buildings, certain infrastructures and even large public spaces. After this pratice was widely critisized and, if I remember correctly, even banned by a court they then circumvented this obstruction by using section 45 to furthermore "stop and search" people by treating them as potential terrorists.
I believe it was in the early 2010s when a new law allowed the courts to order coercive detention of suspects who did not comply to unlock a PC or memory device that was encrypted. This constituted in my view an obligation to help in criminal investigations on oneself, which is to my knowledge in most western countries unconstitutional.
And now people get arrested and jailed for merely reposting some internet memes which do not constitute any incitement for violance or disruption of public order. And british politicians demanding the extradition of foreign citizens like Elon Musk who merely exercised their constitutional right of free speech while being in their own country is as absurd as it is dangerous to the british society.
As of now GB is not longer recognized by me as a democratic country with a fair justice system. I see strong parallels to authoritarian countries like Turkey and maybe in the near future even Russia. ☹
Edit: I don't have a problem with sentencing violent criminals. But I have a big problem with two-tier policing which undoubtedly is happening.
Are you trying to say Germany is any better? Your own rulers are literally trying to ban the AfD Party from existing for being "far-right". Plenty of similar violent illegals and 'apeists' over there too. That's not a criticism of you, personally, but a recognition that the issues affecting the UK are just as prevalent in most of the EU too.
The most incredible thing about the extradition of Americans is that the US government did not reply immediately and tell my own government where to stick their disgusting little fascist fantasies.
You are spot on. As a fellow German, I’m pretty shocked about what is currently going on in the UK. Authoritarianism, indeed. Maybe as Germans, we react especially sensitive to this, as our country went through two authoritarian regimes within one century. This begins to have strong remnants of the GDR.
Still, they insist not having a constitution is perfectly fine, because something something bill of rights. Then again, someone in Russia just got 12 years for supporting a Ukrainian charity so Britain still has some ground to cover..
My ancestors came from the UK and at one point I wanted to immigrate back there. I no longer wish to as the country now has the undertones that I recognise from earlier tyrannical regimes from the 20th century. Of course, this will make the UK Government very happy seeing as my politics and their politics seem to be very far apart (though since I am Centrist, I don't quite know what that makes them!!).
I am a foreigner , but where is the justice for the English white working class ?????
There is none, the govt wants us driven out
yeah right, ofc you are....
You are not a 'foreigner' fecking troll.
Labour believe in a caste and the wwc are not in it.
@@nathijomac😂 fr
In 2012 I was unlawfully prosecuted but found not guilty but issued order not to contact or complain to or about Them or Others for five years proof on my channel
Wow... Five years of something like probation for being found not guilty. That's insanity.
@@tjwiets6691 yeah and on my channel I have a clip of police coming to arrest me for contacting house of Commons explaining my sittuation and told them not to contact anyone or could be sent to prison for 5 years for breaching the order but they contacted police who came to arrest me for sending an email to House of Commons for help
@@tjwiets6691 I had been unlawful detained to be forced injected with a drug that had high death rates in America and EAS said was violation of Right to life. I was tryin to save my life it was so horrendous and been seriously affected, I now can't makd phone calls
I'd ask blackbelt for help but no one will help ive been black balled
@@tjwiets6691 thanks for showing genuine concern your the only one who has
It fucks me off when judges lock someone up for a step sentence to "send a message" what the fuck is that about? Taking away someones freedom and removing them from their family and essentially being used as a tool to warn others? Seriously post a message on social media or do an interview on tv to send a message, the fact that judges have this power to do this when it suits them is disgusting. This isnt going to rehabilitate people or make them question their evil act of writing controversial posts online, they are going to come out 10 times worse and even more hateful against the state.
Yes and I can't help feeling that Keir and his cabinet are somewhat naive. This won't turn out the way they hope.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 I don't think they care, they're not alienating the people who vote for them and they can import more voters and most people have short memories. Every time there was a Islamist terror attack they would say that the real issue was the rise of the far right. We're all being gaslit.We've now got the Stasi where every HR department is the local re-education centre.
Indeed. Such acts only create more disunity and lend more credence to the calls of 2 tier policing. Politically motivated kangaroo court decisions like this will only stir more hatred, not less. A severe miscalculation by the government, especially considering it's such a young government. Or perhaps it's the fact it's such a young government they dare to do this? Thinking they have a long road ahead of them for people to forget. Not to mention their massive majority (very democratically earned with 30% of the vote) so they don't really need to listen to anyone anyway since they can force anything through they like.
A judge wanting the accused to be charged with a more serious offence has surely already made up his mind about their guilt before hearing the evidence, hasn't he?
What I think the judge means is that if we are sentencing people making Facebook posts for 3 years, then the sentence for rioting must be much higher. Remember, so far, the highest sentence handed out was 6 years, and the second highest 4 years and those were both for rioting. I think you'll agree that Facebook posts and rioting are very different levels of criminality and should reflect that in the sentencing.
Why is the House of Commons not holding the Parliament to account for Human rights and not acting in the best interest of the constituents?
These in charge now are dangerous. This overreach and attack on the less resourceful cannot stand.
What about the veteran who got done? The judge said although he did nothing wrong,guidance said he must impose a years sentence. "Video footage showed him 'front and centre' and 'making a nuisance of himself', but Judge Robert Linford queried the charge of violent disorder.
He said people were entitled to protests and throw their arms around, 'but as long as they're not using threatening behaviour it's not an offence, is it?'"
Still sentenced him to a year in prison. He could have simply dismissed the charge, but he didn’t.
That women lives in a bubble. The police won't work that hard to arrest all the other demographics that cause un rest will they.
The racist pedophilic muslim grooming rape gangs prove their 2 tier police state 😮