Doubt: the LAN LED on my TS-873A's frontal panel is OFF when I use only the LAN port of an expansion card (the LAN LED on the frontal panel turns ON only when I'm using the embedded LAN ports). Is it a normal behavior? Or instead the LAN LED should be ON even when only expansion port is in use? Thanks in advance.
Great and informative video. My old Synology broke down and your video on the qnap tvs-h1288x got me sold. I always thought Synology's interface looked good, but QNAP is at a whole different level. Like what I'm seeing so far.
Great video that helped me with my new TVS-h674. I have a question about Cache. I installed 2x1TB NVMe drives in RAID1 for the OS and Apps only. Then I have 3-1/2" drives (2x16TB) RAID1 for data and video. I have extra 2-1/2" SSD's (2x1TB) that I'd like to use for Cache if that helps performance. I'm running PLEX and QVR Pro with their own drives. I don't care about data loss on Video Surveillance. Can these SSD's be used for Cache to help with any performance? The rest of my work is minor read/write of business and backup to another QNAP.
I have the new QNAP TVS-h674-i5-32G-US 6 Bay on order. 4 WD 20TB Red Pro drives, and 2 SAMSUNG 980 PRO 500GB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSDs. My plan was to use the 2 NVMe SDDs for cache. (is it better to use them for the first storage/system pool instead/) Should and Can I dedicate just 1 (instead of 2) to cache and the remaining second one to the System drive? Or since I have 2 bays free, should I add a 2.5 SSD there for the System pool. (does the system pool work on one drive or does it need two drives?) I plan on setting up RAID 5 from what I'm reading I think. Bit of a newbie, coming from a Windows Stablebit Drivepool setup.
One can’t make logical recommendations without first knowing what the use case is along with the requirements. Best answer is to test each way and compare the results. If you use write cache it requires 2 drives in raid 1. Not sure with qnap but with synology if you loose both drives your whole storage pool is gone and you are off to data recovery center. Minimum get a big UPS, verify it is connected to nas, adjust the settings, then test it for functionality. My observation is your bottleneck will be the network connection.
This idea that ZFS doesnt allow adding to raid or pool later confuses me as I am new to Nas, and configuring Raid, Storage Pools, and Volumes. So if I wanted to expand or add on a different drive or type of drive, does that mean it has to be set up in the original set up of the NAS? Is there videos that would clarify how to do this down the road should I want to expand capacity in storage? I also read where some drives like sas and sata cant be raided together? Didnt realize there was so much planning in a NAS set up. Can someone clarify how to avoid set up pitfalls?
If I may ask. Need to swap to Hero from QTS. I just installed Qts in error (totally missed the "switch OS"), JUST NOW. I have no data on the disks. Ive only set up user and startrd Raid Sync (fir 1st time). How would I swap over to QUTS Hero. I have a TS-473A- 8GB, 2× 500 GB M.2 NVME (Samsung Evo Plus)
I just ordered that exact NAS yesterday. Now I have to research the drives I’m going to put in, what expansion cards, how much capacity and so on and so forth. It should make for a great Plex server along with handling backups, ISO images, and various other things. Good stuff!
@@nascompares I will certainly try to do that. I checked the compatibility list and bought 2x 1TB 970 EVOs, 2x WD Red 2.5” SSDs, and 6x 6TB WD Pro 3.5 HDDs. Still have to decide how much RAM and which expansion cards to get. Part of me wants that TVS-h1288 (or whatever it’s called that has the 6 core Xeon), but do I “need” it? Probably not. I wouldn’t plan to run more than maybe one VM on it anyway as I have PCs that can do that muluch more effectively.
I did install QuTS Hero on my QNap nas. That went without any problems. Now every time i try to create a shared folder i get this message: "Thin prrovisioning does not support shared folder/LUNs guarateed snapshot space. To ensure that there is always sufficient space for snapshots, use thick provisioning and configure guaranteed snapshot space. Do yoou wannt to cotinue using thiin provisioniing?" I don't understand this message. For me this is conflictiing information. - "Thin prrovisioning does not support shared folder/LUNs guarateed snapshot space." This does say that when a thin shared folder is empty, then there is no room for snapshots. Thin provisioning DOES support snnapshots. The question is: HOW when there is no room for snapshots??? - "To ensure that there is always sufficient space for snapshots, use thick provisioning and configure guaranteed snapshot space." So to use snapshots you MUST use thick provisioning. Question: How can i use Thin provisioning with snapshots?
I noticed, you may want to re-check the cache RAID(read/write is not RAID 1), note how it handles read and write cache and what it claims in disk space space for each below the list of drives. Also QNAP's own documentation pretty much tells you all dual(or more) SSD configurations are striped(RAID 0) if doing read and ZIL synchronous I/O write log(write cache) together.
@nascompares ... Great Videos!! Does QuTS Hero support QTeir Auto-Teiring? ... I am an IT Pro (CCIE/VCP) and I want to use 2 NVMe in Raid 1 for read and write cache with QNAP PCIe riser card ... SATA WD RED SSD in RAID 5 and SATA WD GOLD in RAID 6. Does my SATA SSD Storage have to be separate from SATA HDD storage with QuTS Hero, or can it be combined into one large storage (note: I want to say volume, but there are no volumes) where the NAS makes the decision on whether to put it in SSD or HDD? I know this is supported on older QTS. .... Use cases are mixed: 4k video editing, plenty of iSCSI tragets for VMs/vSphere, SMB shares, and a PLEX server. Thank you so much!
@@nascompares just saw that too late :( any idea if it's possible to move the system files to an ssd volume after ? I already installed and copied data on HDD and I'd like to avoid to redo everything...
Super good presentation But that leaves me with a few questions: Which one of the two OSs is best around enterprise security? Which one of them makes the greatest demands on hardware? Which of the two would you recommend based on your experience with a TS-X73A series?
I suppose my question would be when setting up and hoping not to waste drive space and function. Would the following exist for QuTS hero or QTS? . . . I was looking for more videos or anecdotal stories of trial and error pitfalls that people found to be best practices in situations where they wasted drive space for the raid/pool storage/ or value . . . or had to move data then delete it(and re setting up nas pools/volumes), by looking back after they set up when learning and gaining experience with missteps/underestimating storage setups. I was hoping the creator . .or anyone scanning video/this thread might chime if they see this thread.
Would like to see a setup video for setting up direct PC connection between QNAP NAS & a Win 10 PC with two+ Ethernet cables (no switch) I seem to be struggling with this.
Are you using a “crossover” style Ethernet cable? Standard cables are meant for device to switch connections, and device to device connections are handled by crossover cables (different pin out configuration).
@@nascompares Thanks for the response, what do you think about "QNAP TVS-675-8G 6-bay", I feel it could be cheaper, but I saw a bad review which was reviewed in the United States on February 8, 2023 on amazon and said: "Very disappointed with this QNAP. It regularly crashes and becomes unavailable on the network. That may happen every couple of days, sometimes it goes for a week or two without crashing. I've had an older model of a Qnap for about 10 years, without ever having had any trouble with it. This thing is close to useless as a NAS. Of course I missed the return window on it, so not sure what I will do." REF: QNAP-TVS-675-8G-US-High-Speed-KX-U6580-Connectivity/dp/B09KMMP9SD
@@vzool I've had the TS-453A with solid results from day-1. Behind a UPS and always update apps and then reboot BEFORE updating the Firmware. It's been solid for multi-purpose. I just upgraded to the TVS-h674 with QuTS and it's been solid so far. I've also helped manage a family members TS-253A with the same solid results. Allot of people have issues because of power outages, brownouts, and other electrical supply issues. If you're behind a solid UPS that helps. I also have a Whole House Surge Suppressor at the Main Panel so that protects all of my electronics.
"You take the blue pill-the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe", and continue using large companies built NAS devices
Be fair dude, some users do not have the skillset and/or knowledge base to build a custom rig to this scale. They can invest time and energy, or pay for a complete 'easy' solution. Its the old PC Gaming vs Console gaming argument customization, Power, warranty hurdles and unpredictability vs Fixed build, fixed performance, but a higher price tag and 'safer' hardware.
Thanks!
Doubt: the LAN LED on my TS-873A's frontal panel is OFF when I use only the LAN port of an expansion card (the LAN LED on the frontal panel turns ON only when I'm using the embedded LAN ports). Is it a normal behavior? Or instead the LAN LED should be ON even when only expansion port is in use? Thanks in advance.
Great and informative video. My old Synology broke down and your video on the qnap tvs-h1288x got me sold. I always thought Synology's interface looked good, but QNAP is at a whole different level. Like what I'm seeing so far.
Do ssd or M2 nvme cache drives have to be the same size?
Great video that helped me with my new TVS-h674. I have a question about Cache. I installed 2x1TB NVMe drives in RAID1 for the OS and Apps only. Then I have 3-1/2" drives (2x16TB) RAID1 for data and video. I have extra 2-1/2" SSD's (2x1TB) that I'd like to use for Cache if that helps performance. I'm running PLEX and QVR Pro with their own drives. I don't care about data loss on Video Surveillance. Can these SSD's be used for Cache to help with any performance? The rest of my work is minor read/write of business and backup to another QNAP.
I have the new QNAP TVS-h674-i5-32G-US 6 Bay on order. 4 WD 20TB Red Pro drives, and 2 SAMSUNG 980 PRO 500GB PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 SSDs. My plan was to use the 2 NVMe SDDs for cache. (is it better to use them for the first storage/system pool instead/) Should and Can I dedicate just 1 (instead of 2) to cache and the remaining second one to the System drive? Or since I have 2 bays free, should I add a 2.5 SSD there for the System pool. (does the system pool work on one drive or does it need two drives?) I plan on setting up RAID 5 from what I'm reading I think. Bit of a newbie, coming from a Windows Stablebit Drivepool setup.
I have the same unit and installed 2x 2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVMe in RAID1 for the OS and Apps Pool only. It's super fast!
One can’t make logical recommendations without first knowing what the use case is along with the requirements. Best answer is to test each way and compare the results. If you use write cache it requires 2 drives in raid 1. Not sure with qnap but with synology if you loose both drives your whole storage pool is gone and you are off to data recovery center. Minimum get a big UPS, verify it is connected to nas, adjust the settings, then test it for functionality. My observation is your bottleneck will be the network connection.
Would a TS-673A be ok switching to QuTS hero? (8GB RAM, Ryzen cpu)
This idea that ZFS doesnt allow adding to raid or pool later confuses me as I am new to Nas, and configuring Raid, Storage Pools, and Volumes.
So if I wanted to expand or add on a different drive or type of drive, does that mean it has to be set up in the original set up of the NAS? Is there videos that would clarify how to do this down the road should I want to expand capacity in storage?
I also read where some drives like sas and sata cant be raided together?
Didnt realize there was so much planning in a NAS set up.
Can someone clarify how to avoid set up pitfalls?
If I may ask. Need to swap to Hero from QTS.
I just installed Qts in error (totally missed the "switch OS"), JUST NOW. I have no data on the disks. Ive only set up user and startrd Raid Sync (fir 1st time).
How would I swap over to QUTS Hero. I have a TS-473A- 8GB, 2× 500 GB M.2 NVME (Samsung Evo Plus)
Can you delete ssd from volume to use in cache? If so what are steps on qts?
I just ordered that exact NAS yesterday. Now I have to research the drives I’m going to put in, what expansion cards, how much capacity and so on and so forth. It should make for a great Plex server along with handling backups, ISO images, and various other things. Good stuff!
Nice! Come back here in a week or two and tell us how you are finding it buddy
@@nascompares I will certainly try to do that. I checked the compatibility list and bought 2x 1TB 970 EVOs, 2x WD Red 2.5” SSDs, and 6x 6TB WD Pro 3.5 HDDs. Still have to decide how much RAM and which expansion cards to get. Part of me wants that TVS-h1288 (or whatever it’s called that has the 6 core Xeon), but do I “need” it? Probably not. I wouldn’t plan to run more than maybe one VM on it anyway as I have PCs that can do that muluch more effectively.
I did install QuTS Hero on my QNap nas. That went without any problems.
Now every time i try to create a shared folder i get this message:
"Thin prrovisioning does not support shared folder/LUNs guarateed snapshot space. To ensure that there is always sufficient space for snapshots, use thick provisioning and configure guaranteed snapshot space. Do yoou wannt to cotinue using thiin provisioniing?"
I don't understand this message. For me this is conflictiing information.
- "Thin prrovisioning does not support shared folder/LUNs guarateed snapshot space."
This does say that when a thin shared folder is empty, then there is no room for snapshots.
Thin provisioning DOES support snnapshots. The question is: HOW when there is no room for snapshots???
- "To ensure that there is always sufficient space for snapshots, use thick provisioning and configure guaranteed snapshot space."
So to use snapshots you MUST use thick provisioning.
Question: How can i use Thin provisioning with snapshots?
How would the setup work if you had the nvme drives installed?
Thank you for the great videos!
I noticed, you may want to re-check the cache RAID(read/write is not RAID 1), note how it handles read and write cache and what it claims in disk space space for each below the list of drives. Also QNAP's own documentation pretty much tells you all dual(or more) SSD configurations are striped(RAID 0) if doing read and ZIL synchronous I/O write log(write cache) together.
By the way: if I installed the system on storage pool 1 ssd raid 1, will there any benefit at akk to use the m.2 caching on folders Public and homes ?
@nascompares ... Great Videos!! Does QuTS Hero support QTeir Auto-Teiring? ... I am an IT Pro (CCIE/VCP) and I want to use 2 NVMe in Raid 1 for read and write cache with QNAP PCIe riser card ... SATA WD RED SSD in RAID 5 and SATA WD GOLD in RAID 6. Does my SATA SSD Storage have to be separate from SATA HDD storage with QuTS Hero, or can it be combined into one large storage (note: I want to say volume, but there are no volumes) where the NAS makes the decision on whether to put it in SSD or HDD? I know this is supported on older QTS. .... Use cases are mixed: 4k video editing, plenty of iSCSI tragets for VMs/vSphere, SMB shares, and a PLEX server. Thank you so much!
Would you recommend putting the OS on SSD drives for the QNAP TVS-h1288X?
Yes, you don't HAVE TO, but you will both see and FEEL the difference tbh.
@@nascompares just saw that too late :( any idea if it's possible to move the system files to an ssd volume after ? I already installed and copied data on HDD and I'd like to avoid to redo everything...
@@nascompares Love your videos. Thanks for putting the time in and helping all of us.
Super good presentation
But that leaves me with a few questions:
Which one of the two OSs is best around enterprise security?
Which one of them makes the greatest demands on hardware?
Which of the two would you recommend based on your experience with a TS-X73A series?
I suppose my question would be when setting up and hoping not to waste drive space and function. Would the following exist for QuTS hero or QTS? . . . I was looking for more videos or anecdotal stories of trial and error pitfalls that people found to be best practices in situations where they wasted drive space for the raid/pool storage/ or value . . . or had to move data then delete it(and re setting up nas pools/volumes), by looking back after they set up when learning and gaining experience with missteps/underestimating storage setups. I was hoping the creator . .or anyone scanning video/this thread might chime if they see this thread.
Would have been good to see it being turned on and running... How loud is it ?
by specs (diskless) is 20,4 db(A) www.qnap.com/es-es/product/ts-h886/specs/hardware
Would like to see a setup video for setting up direct PC connection between QNAP NAS & a Win 10 PC with two+ Ethernet cables (no switch)
I seem to be struggling with this.
Are you using a “crossover” style Ethernet cable? Standard cables are meant for device to switch connections, and device to device connections are handled by crossover cables (different pin out configuration).
Great help. Would love to see a video on how to optimize this setup for 4K video editing. Thanks again!
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"A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure."
What is the cheapest QuTS hero NAS?
I may be wrong, but I believe it would be the TS-973AX or the TS-473A. Definitely check first though
@@nascompares Thanks for the response, what do you think about "QNAP TVS-675-8G 6-bay", I feel it could be cheaper, but I saw a bad review which was reviewed in the United States on February 8, 2023 on amazon and said: "Very disappointed with this QNAP. It regularly crashes and becomes unavailable on the network. That may happen every couple of days, sometimes it goes for a week or two without crashing.
I've had an older model of a Qnap for about 10 years, without ever having had any trouble with it. This thing is close to useless as a NAS. Of course I missed the return window on it, so not sure what I will do."
REF: QNAP-TVS-675-8G-US-High-Speed-KX-U6580-Connectivity/dp/B09KMMP9SD
@@vzool I've had the TS-453A with solid results from day-1. Behind a UPS and always update apps and then reboot BEFORE updating the Firmware. It's been solid for multi-purpose. I just upgraded to the TVS-h674 with QuTS and it's been solid so far. I've also helped manage a family members TS-253A with the same solid results. Allot of people have issues because of power outages, brownouts, and other electrical supply issues. If you're behind a solid UPS that helps. I also have a Whole House Surge Suppressor at the Main Panel so that protects all of my electronics.
Very helpful, thanks so much!
Thank you for the video, may i know how to setup qtier on it?
why do all your videos have low volume? can you get a proper mic? After all, this is a tech channel but poor volume get it sorted m8
"You take the blue pill-the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe", and continue using large companies built NAS devices
Be fair dude, some users do not have the skillset and/or knowledge base to build a custom rig to this scale. They can invest time and energy, or pay for a complete 'easy' solution. Its the old PC Gaming vs Console gaming argument customization, Power, warranty hurdles and unpredictability vs Fixed build, fixed performance, but a higher price tag and 'safer' hardware.
Thanks!