It's time to KILL SIM mode in War Thunder (controversial!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- *** PART 2 and response! - • It's time to SAVE SIM ... ***
I have woken up and I have chosen violence. What’s up TH-cam, Hav3n here.
Today I have decided to possibly piss off a dedicated portion of War Thunder’s player base by telling them some things they may not want to hear.
War Thunder should kill Sim
One of the more widely called for solutions to at least the Air RB problem, is the reintroduction of Air RB Enduring Confrontation or Air RB EC for short.
It should be, could be, a viable ALTERNATIVE to Air RB as it exists today. I’m proposing we keep Air RB - but RE-ADD Air RB EC as a playable mode.
But Hav3n - won’t that split the player base? Maybe - and that brings me to my point.
War Thunder should kill Sim
Wait wait wait wait what does this have to do with Sim? Well Sim - specifically Air SIM is the place where Enduring Confrontation still exists and no one plays it,
Because the problem is that it’s Sim
I’ve been playing Sim lately, it’s not fun, it’s just the fastest way to get Mission points.
Now - are there people that enjoy Sim? - sure ….. but they are NOT War Thunder’s primary customers. And to go a step further. Just in terms of enjoyment, if these Sim players were being honest with themselves and were not motivated by research points or mission points or silver lions, I’d argue these players would enjoy themselves MORE by playing other games like DCS, IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles, or any number of ‘simulation as a primary goal’ type games.
War Thunder is NOT a ‘simulation as a primary goal’ game.
Sim is currently defined as HOTAS highly recommended, ‘Full-real controls’, no 3rd person perspective, no indicators, and sparse lobbies.
Because at its core - the primary reason why the air modes of war thunder are successful and why that success has not been replicated by any other number of competitors has been its wonderful (and patented) implementation of mouse and keyboard controls for aircraft with instructor.
This control scheme lowers the bar to entry for casual players while still allowing for mostly-realistic flight models and mostly-realistic strategies to be employed. This scheme allows brand new players to point their mouse up and actually make it off the runway in one piece.
And this control scheme doesn’t exist in Sim.
Sim fundamentally lacks what has made War Thunder air modes popular
What sim does instead is breeds bots, farmers, and others not actually interested in the game mode and rather interested in what the game mode can do for their war thunder account.
Which breeds another type of Sim player - the malcontent
And why would you be content with this implementation of ‘Simulation’? - the controls are a mess, the lobbies are full of players uninterested in your version of fun, the missions feel like a game that has just exited early access beta, and overall it’s just not a priority for the devs to fix your issues.
You and Sim’s issues are just a low priority bother to the devs who have other higher populated game modes competing for resources and attention.
And this is why we come back to the title of this video - War Thunder should kill Sim. It is not their primary business and it is a distraction to their actual goals, the current implementation is unfair to customers who are actively seeking a sim experience and is preventing you from actually providing things customers actually want such as Air RB EC.
Now before you guys light me up completely in the comments there is another possible solution to this problem I just don’t think the War Thunder devs would be inclined bother trying it.
My suggestion would be to implement an Enduring Confrontation mode where Sim players and RB players could both participate.
When you joined a game lobby you could select Sim or RB
Sim players would play with the current Sim mode limitations - 1st person perspective only, full real controls, no spotting, and no map indicators
And RB players would play with the current RB system - 3rd person, mouse and keyboard control, spotting and indicators
And let them play in the same lobby
Personally it sounds like the Sim players would have a tough time of it - but the challenge could be rewarded with additional RP, SL, or titles and other rewards just like night battles for Ground RB.
Maybe it would be enough to just lock sim players into full real controls and only first person but allow spotting and indicators just like RB. Hell, I’d play that…
War Thunder should kill off Sim - as it exists today.
It’s poorly supported, poorly implemented, clearly not a focus for the devs, and preventing (IMO) the reintroduction of play modes that players want.
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Your entire premise hinges on the assumption that simulation isn't gaijins goal. But actual development has, for the most part, constantly reinforced the simulation aspect of the game. More advanced and accurate damage models and armor interaction. A VERY good radar simulation. An IR seeker implementation that is basically unrivaled, even by DCS, a plethora of actually modeled aircraft, some of which have really really good flight models when compared to contemporary flight Sims. If gaijin didn't care about simulation then they wouldn't continue to develop the simulational aspects of the game. Yet they still continue to develop the game with strong simulation, because that's actually what they care about.
You're also ignoring that flight Sim players tend to be absolute WHALES when it comes to spending money on their games. They spend hundreds or thousands on controllers alone. Sim players most certainly don't represent the majority of WT income, but it represents enough income that it matters. Besides, developing things for sim players doesn't take anything away for RB or arcade players. Development benefits the entire game. Removing sim would unnecessarily cause a PR shit-storm and absolutely negatively affect gaijin's bottom line.
Your analysis of the issues is fair enough, but the conclusion of removing sim is just... It doesn't make sense from basically any analytical angle. More and better modes i can absolutely agree with. RB EC sounds great. Hell, arcade EC sounds great.
I play sim with hostas and vr... But you know what I play more of? Arcade Battles. Sim players aren't segregated and separate from the rest of the game. Some are pretentious assholes sure, but so are some folks in any of the other game modes. Most sim players are RB or AB players as well.
Best rebuttal in the comments so far. A high fidelity flight model for sim does 'flow thru' to RB and Arcade as well. Hrmmmmm
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Exactly, he doesnt understand that the whole game is a simulation, the difference between rb and sim, is that rb is basically playing with MASSIVE aim/flight assist. Ive spent hundres of $$$ on war thunder and ALL i play is sim
I think that their focus on sim is what makes war thunder alive and unique, it trickles down to us mortal realistic enjoyers how the vehicles are strongly characterized
Rb is over in minutes. Atleast in sim you can use aircraft the way they're meant to be used
Yes! That’s why I want Air RB EC!
@hav3nWT I would like air rb ec but a few things need to change. I don't want to be spotted from half way across the map like air rb. It would make my buccaneer completely useless. In sim I can fly low. Under 100m and hit targets behind enemy lines. Sometimes I get killed but in air rb its like.. oh look a buccaneer 11km away lets go for him...
@@hav3nWT Would be impossible to play in VR. No way to compete. Not against mouse aim.
@@hav3nWTin sim I am able to use my inner gremlin mode and sneak up behind blind PVE players that don’t check 6 and blow them out of the sky with them not knowing I was even there if there was no spotting in RB I would play it more but spotting dots in the sky is more fun for me then having a bing red name in the sky
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Top tier sim is better than RB
As someone who isnt anywhere Near Top Tier how so? Ive heard Top Tier RB sucks because of how snipey it is.
@@hyrulehero7834 you have to detect enemy aircraft using sensors present on your aircraft, in RB you can see the name tag, the problem here is that the spotting system is garbage and has been for the past 6 years, the target is 2km away from you yet it isnt spotted. In RB the matches are 1 plane only while in SB you can spawn multiple times which means that if you get killed by an undodgeable R27ER you can still play. There are a lot less players in an SB aswell so you cant really get outnumbered 5v1. In my opibion its a lot better, since Im on PC and cant afford a sim rig, I play with a controller and with keyboard combination and still perform well in any aircraft. The radar on the Su27 and Mig29 are so bad that sometimes they cant spot you and their RWR gets track pinged, thats all they see, then they get hit with an AIM7M if it didnt go 90° left the moment I fired it
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I play sim for the pure enjoyment of experience, I love the challenge of identifying enemy planes and getting on their six, while trying in to not lose track of them. It gives a great dopamine rush when I get a kill especially an enemy fighter aircraft. Mainly due to the fact that I am bad at sim. I somehow usually lose more SL then I gain due to my skill issue and regain it in Air RB. I am still mid/early tech tree with my newest aircraft only being at 5.7, but I love the way that I can fly in any aircraft I want without learning the manual or buying a DLC. I don't think I have played enough to give a proper response. But I wanted to share my take. I liked your analysis and I hope Sim or an alternative will come to my attention. I don't play DCS as I don't have enough spare money to upgrade my SSD to install it and time to learn it, plus my friends don't play it. Anyway thanks for reading if you got this far, sorry for any grammatical errors :)
I respect it. The challenge is the fun and also there is a more casual experience available too all in the same game. Makes sense.
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@@hav3nWT Nice will watch
I used to play SIM and left for DCS, more than a year ago. I watched your video to see why SIM is to blame for WT being sh*t... Turns out the video is about something else and it has a valid point, but I would like to point out something key - SIM was killed years ago and SIM as a concept abandoned for the game as a whole. So whet the GUI buttons get removed as you ask, the game will remain shit and RB players will never be happy.
So you're saying it's fair to have one player being in SB mode and another in RB? Like this would be like stealing a church man... SB doesn't need to die, we just need more modes... Maybe another SB mode with markers - this is by far the biggest problem i have... The reason why i don't play SB and DCS(even though i like the concept of it and i do have purchased planes for DCS) is that by the time i know someone is friend or foe i either missed my chance to get the kill or i killed a friendly... 2 days ago i thought i was over-reacting and i joined SB with my mirage 2000 only to get 2 teamkills in under 5 minutes... I was ready to j out and die but i got kicked instead 😅 Turns out we had Su-27s both on our team and the enemy team... How TF am i supposed to recognize who is who in a furball? At least make it so that once you are actively looking on someone and he's within say 10km in jets you get a blue or red marker.. No range no nothing... Just is he a friend or an enemy... DCS is way more serious and that's what's putting me off... Like you need someone to carry you for your first months and i just haven't found that someone yet 😅
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Your reasoning and conclusion for the complaints against CAS in GRB is spot on, IMO. I’d like to see EC come back too, I’ve never experienced it. But I think it might be a stretch to assume dumping Sim would end in a positive for RB or AB.
About Sim players not playing WT as a fun game.. What percentage of RB players do you estimate play WT as a fun game? WT seems to focus on progression and running a hamster wheel, like many MMO’s. The player base treats this game like a job, which is a cause of problems like BR compression due an ADHD-like queue intolerance.
I dig your videos - especially the gameplay commentary variety. It’d be great if there was support for a creator like yourself to cultivate a sense of playing the game for fun, for great matches and strategies for trying to win the match. I’d support that.
95% of my videos are going to be gameplay - I promise this won't be a rant channel. :) - I play for fun and I like sharing that.
This topic has just been on the tip of my tongue and Air RB (which I love) had been feeling repetitive lately - so I really want Air RB EC. Sim just seems like it's suffering. We should put it out of it's misery or actually fix it - and I don't see them fixing it.
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I started playing last February. I played AB first to get the hang of the game. Moved on quickly to RB. When I finally dipped into sim, I found the aspect of the game that I enjoyed very much. Am I interested in SL, yes, every one that plays War Thunder is to a degree.
What does SL mean for me? Well, it means I get to try out different aircraft from different nations.
Should Gaijin kill sim mode? I believe that would be a mistake as it has a very good niche and monopoly of a game mode where its only competitors are IL2 and DCS, and neither of those have close to the same number of aircraft available to them.
Kill sim? No. I think it needs to improve sim so much that it attracts players from the competition. As someone mentioned, sim players spend on their hardware, their controllers, and their games and have the potential to be absolute whales. So I disagree with your assumption sir.
What I do agree with is that EC needs to be available to air RB too. This would make playing bombers and strike aircraft more feasible to players that enjoy ground attack, but not necessarily sim. Hell, an EC mode for tanks would be hella fun. Imagine joining a giant mid-map tank battle that had AI and player tanks all mixed in? Capture objectives other than a point in the middle of a map, escort trucks, defend ground structures, etc etc etc.
Screw it, while we're at it, how about large-scale mixed combat that involves air, sea, and land based units in an EC format? I mean take a look at how Dover and Port Moresby maps are made and tell me that doesn't scream mixed vehicle battles?
Navy can establish beach-heads to transport troops. Capture ports, etc in Dover. Ground can capture airbases, all while air flies protective missions overhead. Now imagine doing that in sim and RB formats.
This is what I want to see more than Gaijin turning off a game mode that currently has a small population.
I would even go ahead to say that Ground RB CAS would be better served if it was HOTAS only. The reason CAS is so hated right now is because of how mouse flight gives the player near pinpoint accuracy that isn't realistic at all.
WarThunder needs to kill the arcade-like air RB and make Air RB EC with a better implementation for both RB and sim. Air RB in its current state is boring, repetitive, arcadey, and excludes half the planes they have created. Leave that format to Air Arcade.
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TLDR; kill sim because they have the enduring confrontation mode the OP wants in RB.
Playing sim has helped me grind fast. I play 6.0-7.0 air mainly due to event. Tbh I don’t want sim deleted but a crack down on player bots. Sure, I could play fighters; but for building score to rack up RP, bombers and attackers are the way to go.
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Anything but sim = just telling some asshole where to point the plane 🎉
No ! Warthunder AIR SIM is fun. It's just as realistic as it needs to be for me. I have a joystick and i had way more fun in wt air sim than in DCS bc it still feels just a bit more "arcade-y" . I don't really care about RP and credits and i enjoy hunting farming bots who hardly count as players.
Not only you can fly way more easily in wt sim than in DCS you have a looot more planes and maps in wt, also its great that i can take out those sam planes and tanks i use in sim to play in realistic where i can have a different expeience.
I disagree with you and i don't think these changes would benefit anybody and i would sure stop playing if one of the best things were to be taken out of the game and many others would do the same.
You can have your opinion and i respect it don't get me wrong but as you can see in the comment section most people wouldn't like to have it "killed"
I'm finding out from the comments that there are a lot of players that want a SIM experience that isn't as hardcore or expensive as DCS. Thanks for your comment.
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I have an idea, bring EC in realistic along side normal air realistic while completely changing sim to bring something new that not many games have, a dynamic campaign lasting very long with changing objectives ecc, something similar to enigma's server on DCS but better
I like this idea. Let SIM evolve past Air SB EC.
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The entire idea that we should think about player masses and percentages and profits is the reason modern games are so awful. You're looking at this from the perspective of upper management, not from the perspective of a game developer. You also fail to account for the fact that different game modes have different goals. The only true overarching goal for the game is just to be fun. And many players (including me) enjoy sim, so it has accomplished that goal. Different players see different things in different game modes that you won't see, frankly.
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I hear what your saying but why cant we still have sim and rb ec and rb (well call it "dogfight)
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for me sim was the way to level up my planes way faster then with rb mode....going into a lobby with sim and rb players at the same time is the stupidest idea ever....imagine a pantsir has rb settings and you are flying a jet with no indicators, you would be dead 2 sec after spawning....but there is a good point in the video...they should make sim experience better for the players so it is more fun to play and rewarding for new players so they get into sim....
In sim high tier just everyone sticks to the ground and you will eat an AIM missile anyway...they have to change that very hard...no matter if you fly 10 meters over ground or 5 you will still eat that missile from the guy that will see you everywhere....this is just stupid and kills the fun
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Wait.. i know how to fix the game mode, so Sim Players would have a disadvantage to RB players cause of visibility... Unless, its a PVE mode, kinda like Destiny 2, haviing Missions or Opwrations that have progression and players play coop to complete, then xomplement wirh a 4v4 or 2v2 pve mode like Gauntlet on Destiny to get that PVP short Action!
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Um..you forget war thunder was originally based off and was made just for this all other navel tank ..arcade is added.
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I play a mixture of both RB and sim, I enjoy both for what they are. Some of my best experiences are in sim. I've tried DCS and it's not for me, I like war thunder sim way more. If I was the game director of war thunder I would do the opposite, bring RB closer to sim, removing spotting so players actual have to use their radars and/or visually identifying bogeys.
I can see that. I think for me the preservation of mouse and keyboard controls and 3rd person is the most key for general player acceptance. Spotting is ancillary.
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I play sim because on console and cant buy a PC for dcs
dude i plays it, and guess what i dont care with what plane. its fun and nice
4:36 u are tottally right
But i play often on console cuz i take a trip and is so easily to bring my xbox and hotas than a CPU and there isn't others games like IL2 and DCS on console, it is just Warthunder 🤡
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you're not playing sim properly by the look of it Cpt Zomber..
7 years of sim.
il2 much slower game play
DCS too realistic with awful graphic.. No one plays ww2
They need to give sim some love and sort out all your RB issues.. in rb
Your video is good and no controversy on the video agree 100%
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Terrible take. L video.
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bad take
But it sure as hell gains views.
@@Bobspineable Yeah that’s the point…op is quite dishonest.
@Bobspineable yea, but it didn't even get that many views.
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I'm not motivated by any sort of gain from sim, it's just that air RB is garbage, and air sim offers a skill based experience that still falls short of the ultra realistic nature of DCS. If I want to play DCS, it's because I want high fidelity realism, if I play war thunder sim it's because I want an enjoyable experience that is still has enough unrealistic factors that it caters to much less hardcore audience than DCS PvP does.
I've been advocating for EC to return permanently to RB, but I'd still probably play sim purely because of the higher skill ceiling.
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I remember when SIM was meant to be the definitive way to play warthunder and everything else was just building up to it. Gaijin has really zoomer-ified the game in the past 5 years, but sim still has the most potential of any game mode IMO, it just needs work
I think it will remain niche but point taken.
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So just because YOU can't have fun in SIM, no other player should have? And for YOU Sim game should only be played with hotas, this is such a bad take. Keep playing RB and stop complaining for a game mode that you don't play. Let us have fun, keep playing that brain rot RB mode and let the rest of us have fun.
Yeah further more im on ps5 so not alot of option for playing anything aviation wise that is remotely like WT
WT sim is just RB without third person and with trash physics and sound design, change my mind
@@smigoltime physics are a bit wack in sim but that's sorta besides the point. More or less sim is made for a more relaxing take on war thunder, I can die like 7 times in sim and still be happy. That can't really be said for rb. It's not to everyone's liking but if you do like sim, you really like it.
@@mr_aussieboi3385 Mmmyeaaah I guess I could agree on that. In my case, ever since I tried IL-2 Great Battles, I will never ever go back to WT sim
@@smigoltime I play war thunder sim for the more top tier jet stuff, yeah I know about and have played a little DCS but although its an amazing game its a little too hardcore for me, with sim I can play a load of jets from very early jets, to stuff like Su-27s f15s etc without having to learn the controls and buttons of a whole new plane each time, the bonus is doing a cas role in ground sim, im not sure where else you can do something like that against other players, not to mention helicoptors and playing realistic battles if i feel like it all in one place.
Sounds like a skill issue
It often is.
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Bro I bet the tiny group of sim players are half the money spent on the game. Sim is the only good mode in the game.
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You don't play sim plain and simple. I know this because you think sim players only play sim for "Mission points, SL, RP". If you played sim you know you don't get rewards mission points are the only that isn't capped. This whole video is you telling us that sim should disappear because you don't play it nor enjoy playing it. "We should get rid of Jews because I don't like them" same energy.
Well that escalated quickly. I don't think I'm recommending g*noc1de but I could have missed it in the video, I dunno - I'll have to rewatch it and check my script :)
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I doubt you genuinely believe this because a lot of what you say is subjective and wrong.
You make it to the end?
Yeah this take is very wacky, and it may be coincidence that he's in the F-104G(Ger) with some obvious connotations that come with playing Germany
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“Sim isn’t fun”
-Signed, a Zomber
DCS doesn’t let you take off with the I key no warmup/ bs. And I see 5-14 player teams of F16Cs chomping at the bit to fight (that I do fight and beat with mouse and keyboard)
Frankly, I cannot accept your opinions based on the background footage and commentary.
If sim is a dead mode as you say, why kill it? It isn’t costing any resources
If sim isn’t a dead mode then there isn’t an issue to start lol
You have some really good points. But I believe are many simulator battles players who also enjoy the other modes.+ War thunder is free game. You mentioned Il-2 and DCS..
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I think using hotas with VR in Sim might be the pinochle of the WT experience. Once I got into it I couldn’t go back to playing RB anymore.
The only reason why I am not playing SIM more often is, because of the fact that I don't have a Joystick, pedals, etc.
In its current state Air RB is a f'in mess. Gaijin has the tools to fix Air RB or make it more bearable, but they just won't, because money speaks louder than passion sadly.
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popular because its EASY!!! ...and BORING!!! I want challenging with sense of satisfaction, like in real life. Want easy go play arcade fps game. This should be a flying game not mouse-pointing shooter.
Holy shit what a hilariously bad take... one that you dont even sound convinced of yourself.
Your entire premise is bassed off assumption and personal perspective. "Go play DCS" brother most do, and yet sim in WT still has people coming back. What you fail to mention is how WT sim bridges the gap between insanely in depth and intense simulator and an arcade experience. It maintains the flight models and simulator feel with simplifying the control schemes. Unlike DCS i dont have to learn a multi buttom, visually interactive system to select, lock, arm, and launch an AGM. I can switch between multiple FREE planes in a match and the controls all apply. This is what sets WT sim miles apart from games like DCS.
Secondly you assume sim players have all these glaring issues with sim, and we share your viewpoint. You assume we would be better off elsewhere, and we are just lying to ourselves about actually enjoying the game mode. Yet you see most Sim players are either completely finished with thier primary air tree, or branch, and just play sim for the pure enjoyment not for the sense of grinding. To this point, the SL cost of sim is immense, with most people going negative in SL even after a decent match going positive. To just assume whats best for an entire player base and saying "just go play another game" Is so idiotic.
The fact that there is zero follow up with this incredibly clickbait, nonsensical video months later tells me you just posted it without serious intentions to discuss. Only to piss people off and cause a stir for the sake of views. If you ACTUALLY want to discuss these points youve made here let me know. Id happily discuss them in an interview style video you can post.
I replied to like the first 100 comments. Since then I haven't. Message me on discord about the interview style. I'll ask some questions and make a follow up video. @hav3nwt
@hav3nWT what kind of response is this lmao
So you want to remove sim battles because you don't like them xD You literally sound like you've tried to play sim battles for more RP (which it doesn't grant, RB is more RP/hour - sim battles are capped) but you're not particularly good at this so you resolved to PvE but other players that actually play the gamemode were shooting you down because sim battles are ultimately PvP gamemode. And it sounds like it hurts your butt to the point that you want to take revenge upon them by facing them with cheat codes (you with RB arcade mechanics vs. them with sim mechanics)
It's another instance of warthunder players turning against each other as if research points were a limited resource and other players are taking it away from them. Where in reality, it's Gajin who is deliberately making RP income low.
Sim battles is not what's withholding Gajin from introducing EC to RB, Gajin is. Stop the stockholm syndrome, don't make excuses for Gajin and try to solve their problems for them. If you do that, you may have a problem with addiction.
Yes, sim battles are best played with HOTAS and VR, but no we're not taking your RP nor forcing you to play it and removing sim mode won't add more research points to your bank account.
No, Warthunder sim players won't be "better off" playing DCS/IL-2 simply because Warthunder sim mode offers a different niche - it offers casual sim experience w/ multi-era vehicles.
Yes, sim mode issues are low priority and thus Gajin treats them like that. And that's why sim players are complaining because they don't get many updates. But they play the game and they pay for premium account and vehicles so Gajin benefits from them. Therefore there's no financial incentive and thus no added benefit of removing the gamemode because you'd be cutting away some of your customers that you don't need to pay extra to sustain.
4:42 I’m a console player, I cannot afford to buy even a decent PC, on console the closest thing I can get to a flight sim like DCS or IL2 is war thunder sim and if it were removed a lot of console players like me who enjoy sim would have no alternatives to play
I been playing SIM for the past 5 years and let me just say, i haven't gotten back to any other mode ever since.
Arcade and RB is just pathetic and too easy, but thats just me.
Better take: they should buff rewards from sim battles, incentivizing playing that game mode more than the others 🎉
Air Simulator Battle EC is the best gamemode WT has to offer. The real question is, why WT makes it so unaccessible and fails so hard at promoting it. The fact that even on console a lot of players still think they need a flight stick and pedals in order to be able to play sim even though it's perfectly possible to play it with a controller is just absurd. They could have opened an entire new market out of it by selling the realistic cockpits or teaming up with the manufacturers of flightsticks, pedals and head tracking devices for PC.
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I don't get that neither I been playing SIM with my console for the past 4 or 5 years and I'm still killing it with a controller
You're a fool if you think SIM players play SIM for the EC aspect, EC is good and SIM is good, I just don't get why you can't wrap your head around these being separate things and people enjoying SIM because you can't ( I'm assuming that's because you're a metagamer 'going for mission points' and don't care about the actual gameplay and flight elements, which is where SIM players find their enjoyment)
Anyways, plenty of the problems you point at are real and they could definitely be fixed/improved upon, but you're not the person that's going to fx it and thank god for that, if SIM was removed from war thunder, SIM players would go with it and play something else, and won't jump in RB EC for you to play with
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I think you never had a good 1 vs. 1 fight in Air SIM. It's the only place where this can happend.
SIM Air is the only enyoable mode in the moment, where the meta in Air RB are this 16 vs. 16 meatballs after 3min in the middle of the map.
Problems:
Air RB:
The maps are to small for 16 vs. 16 or the number of players is to big (you can't react to all the missles (specially in High and toptier)
To less targets and Missions for CAS and specially there should be Bombertargets only
Ground RB:
To much CAS at the same time in the air possible
To weak SPAA missles (excludet: Pantsir, Strela,Typ 81C and TY90)
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I don't even play sim but I can see why this is not a viable option and would betray all sim players who have grinded through whole air trees probably taking up thousands of hours of playtime. With your merge idea though I think it would be better to keep the sim indicators because as an ARB player myself I don't like indicators because it feels to arcadey. That being said, Gaijin would probably agree knowing how they like f'ing their playerbase as much as possible. To play DCS also requires re-learning thousands of keybinds, buying $60+ planes, and finding a whole new community.
Yeah you really can't just kill it. That's the clickbait part. We need some QOL attention on SIM.
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Air sim is all I play. Kaiman0420 and I play on PS5 with controller.
Fair enough. Are you happy with it? What BR range? What improvements would make it better? Truly interested.
Top tier, israel as a main. Netz, Baz, and Barak. I just feel that they have been slowly preparing us for a real sim experience. That's why they implemented drop tanks.....I believe really large maps are on the way.
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actual lobotomite behaviour to even suggest removing sim because the people who play it are not the 'primary customer' the mode can perfectly co-exist along side other modes, i do feel like sim needs a re-haul and there's a lot of potential to be had with it. But so can Air RB, it also needs a re-haul, just adding air RB EC is not enough, we need different modes implemented instead of the usual team deathmatch BS. Yes Air RB EC is a start, but its still going to be, for the most part, a team death match where there is just fighters clashing and dying and repeating. Modes where you could work with all vehicle types in 1 match and have player controlled helicopters, jets, tanks and sometimes ships, and have operation missions where you either defend or attack a position, would be much better as it would make the gameplay of war thunder less repetitive and boring, as every match feels uniform to the last, and the same will be for Air RB EC, it will just get boring real quick due to the lack of different roles you can play. But overall, the argument for removing sim is just ignorant to the people who enjoy it. Use your platform to give ideas on how to improve the game, instead of just voicing terrible takes just to get views.
I think you’re ignoring a lot of practical resource constraints.
@@hav3nWT gaijin has plenty of resources at hand, and if they don't they can easily afford it, to add multiple different modes without scrapping sim
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You can not change my fucking mind. Sim is fun but have your hates on it but DCS is basically spend 60 dollars on a map or a group of aircraft. And war-thunder is free. Find a way to be strategic in the game. If you can’t aim a lot be a bomber or cas.
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With VR and hotass sim rocks but is neglec5ed badly. rb sucks and is boring, eliminating sim will eliminate warthunders future potential too as vr ramps up. Sounds like you are as bored with RB as the rest of us but you want easy mode as sim is too hard for you so sim players should go play dcs .. lol
This ^
I dont like how sim is implied to be the problem. Killing off sim wont magically awaken gaijan to fix other gamemodes. You can say the same thing about naval in that case. The truth is that gaijan only ever acts on things when they are being review bombed or else they themselves think it will make them money; like adding the tigershark. Gaijan is going to stick to sim, because although its playerbase is smaller than air realistic, it still has a playerbase. Sim is a big part of the game, whether or not some players entirely avoid it. So? A tank player can avoid planes, a plane player can avoid ships, and a ship player can avoid tanks. I am literally an everything player, an everything player except for helicopters. So what? Should gaijan remove helicopters because I dont play them? Lots of people dont play helicopters. Killing off sim will not fix anything, just like killing off naval or helis. Killing off content is a braindead idea, unless its over using resources and bringing in less money than it costs. Sim doesnt cost anything, its pixels. The gamemode has already been developed, and its not like they update it every night. Killing off sim is doing nothing in the hopes that it saves something else. If you want to save air realistic, why not just voice that? You even mentioned yourself, the reason you brought up sim is so that you can have a better thumbnail. Why? Its so counterintuitive. You cant ask for the deletion of content players like, but justify it because gaijan - might - make air realistic better.
Sim is unfortunately not free for Gaijin. Without that understanding it makes sense that you don’t understand my argument. Thanks anyways tho.
He’s not considering the fact that warthunder sim is the most realistic sim plane game you can get on console.
I would love to play DCS instead but I’m on console. Warthunder is the best I have.
Horrible take.
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While I don't think SIM should be removed, because it could be a lot of fun with the right equipment. But you do make a lot of good points. RB Ec would be awesome, and could potentially kill off sim alone. Not only that but wt SIM doesn't make war thunder as much money as the other gamemodes. Ngl but it feels like gaijin has been slowly killing SIM over the years. Either way I hope gaijin doesn't kill it off, it has a lot of potential.
I play on xbox series s with a HOTAS, I only play Air Sim. Real Air Battle is too Arcady for my taste, Arcade is even worse, you don’t even to get to fly, the instructor is flying or at least assisting all the time. Also using mouse pointing is not flying at all. ASB is a bit more realistic and takes a bit more skill and knowledge and is much less forgiving. If ASB is not there I will not be playing WT at all.
Bro if u want ground match like karma air match is okey but come on fucking sim is okey. If u dont like it dont play it
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complains about AIR SIM, *its not fun*:
proceed to 90% of the gameplay use rocket farm
also FUNNY ENOUGH
people started to realize for the PVP element, despite how accuarate DCS is its a WAY more expensive and a way more machine demanding for a more tedious experience what ironically in some aspects WT its superior to them (specially kill feed, and wing propieties when the plane its damage ironically) and not to mention variety despite how modular DCS and how complex its, for the MOST mayority of people who dont want to spent +10 minuts taxing the plane and do a cold start and just want to engage combat, for the price of a single WT plane can grind up the whole tech tree easily if not you already reach the top tier
from F-16 15 14 from several nations while the rest of the modules for DCS you not just has to buy them but spent ALOT of time be familiar with the controls
so NO, the SIM aspect what make WT fun its not the FUN factor from a DCS player what on the same level of enjoyment and complexity as a player from i dunno, a TRAIN SIMULATOR or a Comercial Flyght simulator, their enjoyment its to Master the KNowledge of How to fly a complex machine
WT sim its the Inmersion of the "realistic" conditions of the Sim battles into a more straight foward PVP experience
its not the same by a huge margin
That's fair. WT SIM is still 'sim-lite' and so still more approachable than 'true sim'. Plus the F2P aspect. I see that.
I still think the SIM mode needs some TLC from Gaijin
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If flown a few thousand hours in WT sim. WT sim is like playing my favourite movie. It's is more game centric than DCS or Il2 and offers a unique experience not found anywhere. This game centricness ensures you'll always get into a fight per every tank of gas. The problem was that the hardcore sim pilots had the planes that they liked and flew them all the time and weren't spending any real money with Gaijin. To fix this, Gaijin turned the mode into a grind fest, which attracts players not interested in the nuances of flying WT sim. It's a chore for those pilots. I fly Il2 and DCS as well, but WT sim scratches an itch those other two can't reach.
I left warthunder for IL-2 and DCS. I will say this is fairly accurate. I left because sim isnt that fun anymore. I left it because of Zombie bombers with their buddies that would land outside of airfields and go afk for their bot buddies to collect points in bombers. 2ndly by eliminating sim internal cockpit modeling needs are mosly eliminated so that is one place where assets dont have to be developed. 3rdly please make Naval or Air Ec a thing for realistic battles. It would make BVR, Plane Identification and various plane types and objectives relevant. Currently WT matches are too small other than for dogfight TDM. Objective based combat would make each plane valuable for its strengths not just ultimate A2A capability.
Thank you for your thoughts!
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What they need to do is take away the rewards for attacking runways, greatly reduce the rewards for bombing and increase the award for playing pvp. The whole problem with sim is that it has been ruined by people botting/unaliving themselves attacking runways and just ground pounding (the way you are in this video. You are the problem) and then leaving as soon as players try and pvp. Anyways you have a bad take and im glad gajjin dosent care what you have to say.
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@@hav3nWT don't care.
Removing sim would be stupid of gaijin and make all the modern hmd useless. They should add helis to air sim but other than that sim is fine as it is.
Sim is not fine as it is bro
@@RogueBeatsARG played quite a bit in it, better to leave it as it is than to remove it
@@KNMRoaldAmundsen Obviously Removing it would be dumb, but needs to be improved imo
@@RogueBeatsARG yeah that is true
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I'd argue sim is better because of the lower playerbase.... where as rb is like you said 16v16. sim can be more of a 5v5 on a larger map most of the time. I know gaijin says they'll fix rb player sizes but until that happens sim is just so much less frustrating and random if you learn to read the rwr (watch a 10 min video). I can't dodge 7 amraams while dogfighting in rb. I guess rb is too much of a cluster f**k for me. But that's again, a whole other issue they are "working on".
Once i unlocked my first jet with IFF..... i never played RB again, sim only.
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I just dont think you should make another video lol @@hav3nWT
You're right cuz people that spend anywhere from $150 to $500 for just controller setup probably don't have enough money to spend $70 for a year subscription yearly or 70 per plane pack simulation is the only reason why I even have War Thunder on my computer.Just another complain for easier TH-camr that's going to b**** and complain about something that he doesn't like and then just to throws everybody else's game out because he said it's trash😂 you f**** up my game and I'm not giving the Snell more money that's all I'm saying😅. And then it's simulator it's supposed to be hard to learn but once you got it down it's great and you can play it on a Xbox controller that's how I started😮
I don't see why adding ARB EC should be a replacement for sim, gaijin could easily implement RB EC without touching sim. I agree that sim needs some changes but I play sim because it requires me to actually think and manually spot targets, if sim was just RB but first person I would never touch it. I don't play sim for the rewards, I play it because I enjoy it, hell I just ground out the mig-21 in RB so I could fly it in sim. On the topic of "We could play other games like IL-2 or DCS", keep in mind that those games cost money (especially DCS holy s***) and war thunder runs significantly better than other games on low end PC's for free. You mentioned bots, which also brings up the argument of, "if a gamemode encourages botting get rid of it", then we should also just kill off naval battles, AB/RB, all of it. I have seen less bots in SimAB and ARB combined, than I have seen in my fairly limited experience in naval. (now granted I don't fly sim past 10.3 much so I haven't really seen what goes on up there) Sim isn't perfect, but no gamemode is, I don't think killing it off is the best solution, idk that's my opinion I guess.
(Sorry if this is a mess to read I'm terrible at typing.)
I'm finding out from the comments that there are a lot of players that want a SIM experience that isn't as hardcore or expensive as DCS. Thanks for your comment.
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Wt sim is fun, its just so damn hard. Especially if you dont have a joystick. Plus, the wt community is mostly toxic losers (hard truth). Toxic losers obviously are going to do the rattiest things, not play a sim. Sim isnt rewarding enough for people to bother learning how to use these jets. Sim is not going to get you sl and rp like premium time, premium planes, and air realistic.
But even after all of that, gaijan really doesnt care. Nothing is going to change unless it threatens their game or makes them more money.
it's not hard at all, really it just takes time to learn like with every new thing you have to.
Even in props tbh it's kind of a cake walk(No joke).
@@MeanHereAT yeah. The controls themselves i spent forever and how all go do everything. Ill take my f16aj into a custom sim battle, but i always get humbled really fast. I think im still yet to get over that learning curve of actually being decent with using the jet itself
I wish I had the AJ, it's too good for me to not get it, but i have to pay Japan first since I already have top tier for the US (Which is kinda too strong in props imo).
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I would uninstall
RB is for taking advantage of your planes skills and has a lot of nerf to the flight and feel, plus it’s PACKED with p2w pilots, painstaking and cancerous 😂
Sim is enjoyable as’f and actually fun, the reason people play games. The planes fly like real planes and take real skill with no handicaps. If you’ve never been in a 600mph barrel rolling dogfight in sim you haven’t experienced immersion. I see bombers actually living and getting escorted etc real role playing and real heart thumping fights “at the speed of sound”
7.0-10.0 BR pure enjoyment and immersion
Wow😂😂 okay why not do a realistic battle where ground units are controlled by realistic controls and in third person and all aircraft should you Sim you think that's a little more fair. Because what will give you a bigger perspective on the battlefield and what's around you third person or first person in a cockpit your😂 fix is that you will give up nothing but I want to give up everything that you have😂
Forcing RB players to play EC would be horrible. Sure it would fix the bomber problem (I'm not sure Gaijin really wants to fix it at all) but EC matches are extremely long and RB players already complain about long matches when they incidentally have to chase that one guy with a bomber. I honestly don't know how to solve the bomber problem in RB without pissing off someone. Killing SIM would piss off a niche but whale playerbase who spends quite a bit on the game + saying your game is a sim makes it competitive against other sims. Maybe Gaijin could introduce RB EC separately since rolling the dice and randomly getting a 2 hour match of EC might put off RB players who just want to jump in with their buddies for an hour and finish their matches.
The only reason why I don’t play sim is because everytime I get into a dogfight with someone they just turn good so without losing speed and by the time I merge with them there already on my 6 and I don’t know how also I’m a console player PS5 but tbh I do agree that sim is pretty broken
But in Air Realistic Battles are way more fun and I do way better
Yea as others have said its a bad take. Why the need to kill sim why not just add EC back to air RB. Like you said the player draw isnt an issue its not like its taking players away from other modes.
I must recently got a HOTAS and started playing SIM and honestly find it a blast. Its simulated enough to where you get the basic sense of flying the plane you are, but not the crazy intense fidelity like DCS. It is honestly imo the best sim there is for those who want that sim experience without the need to have a beastly machine to play DCS. And the hours and hours of learning how to even fly the plane and be proficient with it. And the cost of getting a decent hotas setup to even be able to play it effectively.
I really hope SIM is here to stay. I havent had any issues finding decently full matches. And really dont want a full lobby maybe like half or 3/4 is perfect or else its just a furball but locked in first person.
I would play SIM but i dont have joystick i have only steering wheel and gamepad but they make no sense in airplane
Nimbal has a guide for setting up a 360 controller to play sim. It's what I use when I don't want to lug out the hotas. Really effective.
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As a console user who plays sim exclusively, it’s the only good “simulator” that is accessible to console players. If I was more financially set DCS and other pc platforms do make sense. As it stands warthunder is the only place I can affordably play HOTAS simulator. This goes for many others. I agree there should be more useful modes for attackers etc… but there is still a large player base on sim.
As much as I agree with brining back Air RB EC I do not agree in getting rid of sim.
Myself and many of my friends specifically play sim because we like it. We dont play DCS all the time because its allot more to just hop into a match and play. Air Sim allows us to enjoy our flight sticks while also having a more casual and laid back experience than the more hard core sims. WT Air sim allow such a diverse roster to fly in first person with a hotas that you just cant get anywhere else.
If anything we need both and Air Sim needs to be more prominent on mode selector and not burred under menus just to find it.
WarThunder sim is the best way to play a ww2 flight sim, dcs is extremely good for sim from about middle cold war, and later. But before that its absolute dog shit.
Another thing is your entire argument revolves around the fact that gaijin should not segment their playerbase, there is no need to kill off one game mode. WarThunder has an average player peak of about 80,000 active players, probably less than a 500 of those play sim on a regular basis. Air ab and rb are not struggling enough to warrant killing of sim to combine them
I'll have to come back and watch this later, but in primis i feel like removing a gamemode from a game that doesn't have lots of 'em doesn't sound like a good idea to me, what i have alwais desired for this game is not X new aircraft or Y balance change, but just some new gamemodes to freshen up the situation, since in my opinion is getting quite stagnating.
This said if war thunder didn't have sim i probably wouldn't play it as much/at all.
Honestly, Air RB EC would be the ONLY reason for me to return to aircraft modes in this game. Every time RB EC was present I had tons of fun, had many 1 v 1s, historical scenarios etc. Current Air RB makes me want to Alt F4 after couple minutes.
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9:12 bro wtf, that ruins the entire point of sim lmao. Jesus christ, ive been playing since birds of steel on the xbox 360 and this is the worst take i have ever heard of
Once you go VR you will never look at War Thunder the same
Sim mode best FUN:
Here is an older clip of an exciting 3 v1 "i dont know anything about proper video editing etc. enjoy anyways"
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Many hours in VR the way Sim is meant to be played!
Come to a dogfight and enjoy!
IRL pilot "Sim in VR is the way to play"
The reason AB RB is popular is due to financial and hardware constraints by many players in all ages.
Once you have experienced High end hardware coupled with VR you will never look at a 2d monitor again EVER!
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I don't like arcade battles, gaijin should kill it
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@@hav3nWT No. Thanks!
Bro almost noone who really like SIM plays it for sl rp and mission points. Its economy has already been destroyed by people who came there to get points. Those who type LETS PLAY PVE every single time they join the session. And those who are actually bad at SIM so theyre only compintent enough to fly to Base, click and crash. SIM is a gamemode that has a lot of potential. And some people choose it over RB because RB is repetative missile spam skill-equalised furbal and it does not matter if youre good or bad at the game. If u can spam flares on your pressious gripen and launch an aim9m and never climb above 100m from the ground YOURE FINE.
I play SIM because you have to use avionics to find enemy. You have to know how to use it. You have full controls of your plane. Cockpit visibility matters a lot (I can come from behind and below and the guy won't see me for example). HUD only matters in SIM. It is another type of pleasure.
Sure, the RB would be better if it was EC. But killing SIM isn't nescessary to rework RB.
Lets KILL RB INSTEAD. AND FIX BOTH SIM AND RB.
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What a ridiculous statement. You obviously didn't give sim a chance. You simply used the mode to earn mission points fast for the event, as mentioned in this video. You didn't even try to dogfight players or attack ground targets. Believe it or not but when there's no event going on, there's lobbies at any time of day in every br bracket of people having fun, playing the gamemode as it's intended every single week. Even when there's events people tend to play for fun and not to grind. Naval is an unpopular mode should we kill that aswell? How about heli pve, which is even less popular than sim? Combining sim with realistic would be awful for sim players and absolutely not worth it even with increased rewards. I don't play sim for the rewards, if I didn't get rewards in sim I'd still play it. Matter fact the rewards system is awful in sim.
Part of warthunders beauty despite all its issues is that there's all these options to play in a singular game.
Sure sim isn't as easy to pick up as arcade or realistic but it sure doesn't mean it should be removed. In order to play sim you absolutely don't need a hotas, pedals, vr or track ir. You can play with mnk just fine and be competitive too. There's some top leaderboard players I know that only use a mnk. Myself I use a controller and I win most of the time against my friend who uses a hotas with pedals and vr.
There's a few reasons why people rather play warthunder than il2 or dcs. It's crossplay. It's plug and play, no need for hotas etc. No need to remember what button does what etc. Console players don't have access to dcs or il2. Warthunder is free2play with a great amount of aircrafts and if you're only interested in ww2 aircrafts this is perfect for you. Obviously if you'd want a toptier jet you'd probably would have to spend money but it's still possible to not spend a dime. War thunder is more arcady compared to dcs and il2. It doesn't take long to get into dogfights.
What made me want to download warthunder was watching wt videos of dogfights inside the cockpits. Which then after downloading wt introduced me to GRB which is my favorite mode next the air sim.
I don't like this video because it doesn't represent what sim is at all and what I would hate to see is people not wanting to try sim because of this video they've watched.
I honestly think that air sim could be as popular as realistic if people gave it a proper try. It's partially gaijins fault for having such awful default controls and lack of ingame tutorials on it. They've made a tutorial years ago on TH-cam that could be useful if placed ingame somehow and was showed when entering sim for the first time.
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Nothing beats being locked in a cocpit, sounds of engines all around and fighting for your life. Wrestling controls to get behind a bomber and systematicaly targeting each of its engines to watch it tumble out of the sky.
Compared to RB, the point and click adventure game taking place in a cesspool of handholding combat.
Sim has the risk - reward that RB doesnt. You need to actualy learn how each aircraft performs. Weapon employment taking exceptionaly more skill results in ACTUAL dogfights. You just cant get that in RB.
The stories I have from playing sim could fill the bible yet I dont think I have a single memorable moment from RB. You tend to remember and enjoy the harder to acheive something is.
I play DCS too but ironicaly it feels more empty and abandoned that SIM EC, its a cold enviroment that takes far too much time + effort to get anything out of. EC can be enjoyed solo unlike the slower DCS.
Also, fix the AA (Real sim players know what I mean) - Its the only thing that stops me from booting the game up right now.
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For reference I have about 8000 hours in the game with that time split mainly between just under 28,000 RB matches and 1400 sim matches with 3000 ish arcade matches thrown in and I am 12.0+ not including premiums in every tree except italy and germany which I stopped at 9.7 and 9.3 respectively.
So for me sim, which I play exclusively for the purpose of pvp combat, is objectively more fun than air rb even though I’ve played that far more. And flying in cockpit view with sim control in RB puts you at such an awareness disadvantage there is no point.
I have DCS and a few planes there but I play warthunder sim more; it’s way quicker easier to get into a game, I like that I can unlock new vehicles (and so many more at that) by playing instead of just paying, speaking of paying the requirements to run the 2 games is separated by a decade my 2080 struggles to push more than 40-60 fps on med-low settings on dcs in 1440p but doesn’t flinch from 144 in warthunder on max, I like how in warthunder when I get into a new plane the only thing I have to learn is how it flies and the weapon systems my controls stay the same.
Warthunder has its shortcomings as a sim (the amount of ‘people’ who just bomb for one) but for anyone who wants a lot of variety or doesn’t want to go full hardcore all the time it is pretty much the only option.
As a final point there is one compromise which I would be willing to accept, effectively allow RB controls in an EC mode which has no markers with 3rd person being the only part here I’m not sure about. This way people who want the EC experience can have it without having to learn sim controls and sim players also are not completely abandoned.
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Sim is the best. They should get rid of every other mode an be a sim game.
There’s always one. Lol.
@hav3nWT jokes aside I'm sure it's going to get way better one day. You're absolutely right with your analysis but if there's more than one if me which I'm pretty sure there is your idea of killing the mode is absolutely crazy. They can combine ground sim an air but your ideas wouldn't slide I don't think. Sorry dude. I'm still subscribed tho no hard feelings here keep up the videos..
@@2bparistol8 all good dude. I just want the game to be better all the time. Gaijin does a better job that most people give them credit (which is why we're still all here talking about it) so hopefully they have some plans to improve the mode. I want to like it!
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I don't necessarily agree with killing off sim, but I do agree with your point that Gaijin are a little too fixated on queue times. They absolutely shake in their boots whenever an idea that might affect queue times is brought up. *cough cough BR DECOMPRESSION*
Anecdotally, I don't think a 3-5 minute queue time has ever dissuaded me from playing. Now a ground sim wait time of 15+ minutes has, but that is an extreme example.
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Sim is a great game mode iots just that the objectives suck ass but the way air sim PvP plays out is so so good
I think the guy doing this video must be one from the developers that want to full monetise war thunder
Air and Ground RB are the most popular modes, theyre also the least enjoyable where the playerbase complains the most and is the unhappiest. The sim community is the happiest in game we dont have complaints like 16v16 and missile spam and all this other shenanigans you guys have to deal with in the hellscape that is air rb
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I love modern jets, I want to fly F-16s, SU-25s and all the other cool things. I have time to grind. What I don't have, is the ability to spend ~$60 or even more on them like in DCS. Don't get me wrong, I love flying the SU-25T but that's all I will ever have.
My other reason I like sim is because I can actually enjoy it. RB in jets (which is all I care about) is a shit-storm of missiles being launched at flareless aircraft, AAA campers, intent teamkilling and the list goes on. The Sabre was (until now, except now 7.0 jets will be fucked over) unplayable because of the F-104 in RB. In sim I haven't seen an F-104 while in the Sabre. I understand the concerns about sim being of high entry barriers, but that is the point. It is supposed to at least somewhat simulate air combat, and it has the upper-hand on other sims by being *free* if you are willing to learn and get good.
War Thunder needs to fix the core issues, I'm sure I don't need to mention the issues because they are constantly brought up, not remove a mode that hardcore, genuine fans of the sim might be *relying* on like I do, to stay in the game instead of dropping it.
With all due respect, deleting sim would just be a PR nightmare, and review bombs would be review nukes.
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I hate you, but I will admit your parts of your argument do make some sense. But that does not stop me from hating you. Yes, a large majority of players play sim to grind, and do not enjoy it, but not all. I only play ground rb, ground sim, and air sim. I purely do not find air rb fun. To me, the most fun thing I can be doing is flying around in an me262, looking for enemies, listening to a podcast or music, and then killing enemies when I see them. I like the simulator aspect. If I am grinding for something, it is only because I want to enjoy playing that plane in sim. You said the controls are poorly implemented, but they seem completely fine to me, the mouse joystick is terrible, but I use a ps4 controller and it works great. To me, the reward for getting kills is much better. Not the rp and sl reward, no. The dopamine hit I get from killing a player in sim is much higher, because its hard. You make the point that sim players are "not gaijin's main customers" but I don't care, because then this becomes even more about how much money gaijin can make. Getting rid of sim would piss a some players off, like me. But imagine if gaijin decided naval wasn't making them money, and removed it. If they kill off sim, why not kill off something else. I'm not really interested in playing DCS or another simulation type game.
Your idea for sim and rb to be mixed makes no sense whatsoever. I don't want to not be able to see my enemies when they can see me. I don't care what rewards I get, obviously I'll play the realistic version, which I find much less fun. It also makes no sense because of things like the fact that your plane is LITERALY WORSE in sim, and no matter how good you are, there are some fights that will be completely impossible to win. I'm not sure how much you've actually played sim while trying to shoot enemies and not just go for AI, but if you have then you'll know that aiming is extremely hard, whereas the rb players would just point and click.
I get that sim might not be super well implemented, but I love it, and I would quit if it were removed. You don't have to find it fun, just understand that some of us do.
The comment you have pinned by mechanought explains very well reasons that it should stay in the game other than the benefit of sim players.
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I got a better idea, make an arcade mode sim version only where you just spawn in to fight. Also giving low respawn costs.
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air rb ec isnt a bad idea. I dont like how gaijan entirely has it right now. I think we all agree on that. Gaijan definitely will have the means to put some overtime into the issue with all the tigershark and new premium sales. Plus, a better game mode means more people willing to pay more in the future. However, none of that requires that sim needs to be deleted.
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0 sense in what you said lol
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Skill issue, there are people flying SB with M+K
I primarily play sim but also play arcade with my friends to laugh my ass off sometimes. I'd delete and forget the game if sim battles got removed.
Edit: sim allows you to use the aircraft as often as you want, which gives you the opportunity to feel like a pilot of that specific aircraft and makes you enjoy every flight with it instead of dying after 5 minutes and having to switch to a piece of metal you only use to make it through the mission so you (hopefully) get the points with no enjoyment. Be honest. You start every match just to get to fly that one favorite aircraft and when it's gone it's not fun anymore.
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Solution:
Decrease the amount of mission points gained by spamming rockets on Aifields/bases?
Or am I missing something?
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I was gonna say if they drop sim cya ima go to dcs now, i really agree w/ u, im actually still thinking about just moving to dcs its just the fidelity of everything is eh in vr
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I'd really like a 1v1 or 2v2 mode so u and ur buds can dogfight others i feel like it would make wt a friendlier place cause u could talk to ppl on how they won
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Honestly the type of take people make when they were sniffing glue in 3rd grade. Just... Log off dawg, you're done lmao
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