Paul George Dumps the Clippers for the Sixers | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Kevin Wildes to discuss the NBA free agency and the news of Paul George leaving the Clippers.
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Him and Embiid are gonna lead the league in denying responsibility for bad performances.
YEP
Poor maxey
They could never touch LeBron
Nice prof pic fkin loser lmao
Maybe if there’s a players only category. If not, Doc Rivers will smoke them
Thinking PG is the goat should be a federal offense
😂
It should warrant several beatdowns.
The weed is getting stronger
@@antlopez2746😂
They deserve at least 25 years
PG/Kawhi years is like dog years. You pay them for 4 years which is really 1 year in actual play time.
They both should have join Lakers with Lebron n just stick with the Robin role with unlimited load management games.
But like 8 years of aging
Sports doesn't work that way...Old is old.
As fun as it is to make fun of the Sixers, them getting an unprotected pick from the Clippers for Harden, just to steal PG in free agency, is amazing stuff. Obviously, the 4th year of the deal is going to be horrendous, but it's a worthy gamble.
4yr deal for a 34yr old on his last contract how wonderful
Nah. He costs almost as much as Jrue Holiday, Al Horford and Derek White combined ... to be relegated to a role player in order to fit within the team. Sixers cooked themselves in good old fashioned Morey style, who banks on players past performances as opposed to realistic future ones. The team would look much better with a bunch of role players like Caleb Martin and Isaiah Joe etc ...
@@illDefine1imagine a world where getting Caleb Martin or Isaiah Joe instead of Paul George to team with two other all stars makes sense. Paul George fits very well with Embiid and Maxey. But I get it, the entire NBA, fans and media, love to hate on everything the Sixers do.
No dude. You have space and you're a marquee franchise absolutely no reason to pigeon hole yourself with this shit deal
These kind of risks are necessary when as a front office you trade Mikal Bridges for Zhaire Smith, give Tobias Harris 180 million, etc.
Paul George is the Michael Jordan of Tobias Harris’
Well that's much better than the actual Tobias Harris for sure.
You can't score zero points on the court in a win-or-go-home game if you're not on the court!
Ohhh so that's what they mean when they say PG the GOAT. He GOAT of tobias harris' now this makes sense
hahahaha
I’m a Sixers fan, it’s the best of a bad situation. It the Sixers a “punchers chance” which is more than they deserve after 10 years of incompetence.
*25
Sounds like excuses to me. This team needs to win the title next year or it's over.
and the beat goes on….35,35,35,35
@@janvincentsacramento6060 I was speaking to “the process”, I’m all too aware of 1983.
@@woltzwurld6760 but yeah have to agree this your last chance, gonna pay a hefty 55M at 38 y/o PG
This Paul George era of Clippers is closer to Brooklyn Nets with KD than anything
Faxxxx & him going to the Sixers will be closer to KD going to the suns
Not really the same in the details, Nets got equivalent of 9 1st rounders and Cam Thomas for KD and got KD in free agency. PG was acquired for 5 firsts and SGA, then leaves for nothing. PG effectively destroyed the Clippers for a long time.
It was Kawhi who wanted PG and he got his wish.
@@Pypnlr4ugKawhi is cursed if he resigned with the Raptors even on a 1+1 deal in 2019 and they ran that same championship team back they probably beat Lakers in 2020 for the Bubble Championship maybe even Milwaukee/Phoenix in 2021. Boy turned down a potential three peat.😂😂
Minus ALL of the drama...
The fact that Okc basically got Sga and their new core from that Clippers trade showed how bad LA got fleeced. And now PG has left again for another team…
If you’re a GM and you see Sam Presti across the table from you just assume you’re getting the short end of the trade🤔
@@vanslang5385 I just wouldn't do business with Presti as a GM but that's me just talking
@@Kilogram93 same. I might try to go all double agent on him just to find out what he thinks about a player/assets on another team 🤔
LA had two top 10 players. They didn't get fleeced they just got unlucky.
If you could have Jaylen and Jayson right now for let's say Keyonte George and draft picks, you wouldn't do that? And Kawhi and PG were _better_
And OKC got extremely lucky. SGA was better than anyone could have expected and getting Chet was literally luck.
LAC had to..otherwise Kawhi wouldn't have signed with them..but yes, that was a bad deal
Soft excuse making PG with Philly fans 😂😂 this is going to be fun
You simply have to make a move like this if you're Philly or trade Embiid. It's literally as simple as that.
And just just like that we have our new Tobias
I mean he's much better than Tobias, the worry is the end of the contract is bad but first two years should be much better as long as he stays healthy.
@@awqweird Averaged 19pts a game awful efficeny in the 2024 playoffs
@@Arg.Comps10 yeah I mean he's not perfect but how much can you complain about getting a borderline all pro in free agency. We weren't going to get anyone better and definitely not for free.
Nah he’s better. Puts up more 3 and can get to the rim. Harris didn’t have a pulse.
@@awqweirdi agree im jus salty he left kawhi😂
Looks like Paul George got a new load management teammate.
Always love the Bill Simmons Pod. Bill hit it on the head PG just wants the money. He is not worried about legacy. He got the bag . It is all good .
Who else is here for Wildes?
Dorks and dim wits?
FTF baby! And a 🍀
He's great! Only one worth a shit on the show. Broussard and wright are absolutely pathetic
He's not Joe House so I guess my answer is Yes
Wish he would stay on his own load managed show and quit trying to invade others successful shows.
Daryl Morey is the biggest sucker for paying huge for guys who have achieved nothing and are well past their prime. You can guarantee this will end with a 2nd round exit with Sixers, fans asking for PG’s throat in 12-24 months and screaming again that Embiid never had a good team around him.
Morey has been a mess in Philly. Starting with not firing Doc after blowing that Hawks series.
What was the alternative?
@@elliott2513it was a mess before him. Hes dug us out of terrible deals and if Joel was healthy last year team is good enough to spank the Knicks n pacers.
@@SPACEKNOCKERZ76 a blind squirrel? A monkey hopped up on red bull? Frank Isola? I would have taken anyone. LOL.
Can’t be a sucker if he keeps a job worth millions.
I don’t understand how someone can be a permanent TV personality with his own show but CAN’T afford a nicer microphone than wired Apple earbuds…
I still love these two together
It would be preferable if his micorphone didn't work, had nothing of interest to say, also talked over Bill repeatedly
Apple ear buds are great quality and super reliable i guess
Apple cult members find any and every excuse to use inferior products, while acting as if they are better than you.
Wired earbuds are better because they reduce latency and the quality for a pod is top notch it’s not like he’s producing music.
I don’t know what mic he’s using but year that could be better or at the least the vocal chain could be better meaning their are plugins that make it sound better.
Gen Z Wing players consider PG THEIR GOAT because he plays the most efficient style of basketball on both sides of the court! Coaches use Paul George film to show players the RIGHT way to play as a wing! Basically, if you want to get a college scholarship as a wing, you master as much as you can of Paul George’s skillset!
They don’t call him THE GOAT, they call I’m THEIR GOAT!
To simply explain it, in the era of 3 & D, name a better 3 & D player!
I've read a lot of comments online about people being mad at this signing, saying it's a sinkhole giving a 34 year old a max contract...while here in LA people aren't complaining as much as how were about to give a guy, that's gonna turn 40 this year a 3 max contract, hired his podcast buddy as head coach and even drafted his son so that he would stay...
I’m not glad I have Season Tickets (Clippers).😂😂
Love Wildes, So glad he was on the show. please bring him on more !!!
He’s a clown who doesn’t know the real numbers and stats.
Clippers were smart to not sign him in my opinion. $50m when he’s 38-39 that’s insane. He’s not a superstar. Yeah they traded everything to bring him and kawhi in but this is going to be way better for their future. PG wasn’t winning then big games let’s be honest. Clippers were smart
Wildes, the only guy on that show not own by klutch
The only reason I watch that show.
Love Wildes. A true Gentleman.
@@M-Cherian i see what u did there
@@bmryner90 😊
Relax
The sixers have two high paid injury prone stars 💯
I have a theory that Clippers refused to give PG the 4 year max because they have full access to his medical records and were not confident he would play at worst a satisfactory level by the end of said contract. It is very similar to the Amare Stoudemire situation with Phoenix in 2010 they let him go sign with the Knicks because he had bad knees and wanted a 5 year guaranteed max the six year option was completely off the table. Ballmer is loaded he isn’t stupid he knows he got duped by OKC in the PG trade in 2019 which was contingent on landing Kawhi in free agency. Now Ballmer is cutting his losses.😂😂
you might be right. This might be the last year of PG's prime, and could go downhill fast in that 2nd year and beyond of the contract. Bad bet when you already have another injury prone superstar who is also getting up there in age...
bill has guests on so he can talk at them.
Zach Lowe has guests on so he can talk at them. Which is fine, just a bit autismy
I'm literally watching them have a back and forth conversation and answer each other's questions
But the guest sucked, so Bill had to carry the show
Wildes is the man. He's very entertaining and insightful.
Bill is way overselling the bad parts about going to Philly. Paul George gets to be a secondary or third level star on a team with a playoff run and he's shielded because the team's failures rest on Embiid health
Yeah Paul Gearge is the Goat playoff choker, an alergic goat you may say
Doc Rivers has my vote for that one
@@D617_ oh yeah. It's a tight run, Harden, Westbrook, Paul....
It's Embiid first and Harden second
PG is way down that list. He's had as many great playoffs as bad.
The PG is the GOAT thing just comes from him having an aesthetic game, hes almost like the perfect videogame character. Good jumper, athletic, defensive, can playmake, can finish and hes just got a very smooth game. Its not too common but ive heard it a few times online
It just shows what players think is important, like how they like Kyrie.
It also shows why we shouldn't listen to players talk about sports.
In that sense, George is like the modern Vince Carter. VC in his prime was considered to be the perfect “2K” player. I feel like guys see the same things in George.
He’s lost his athleticism
@@roycedotAnd that's why him being a elite spacer will help that waning athleticism.
It's wild how much money the Clippers have given Kawhi to not play
Paul george is durable ?
First day of free agency was a good one in Sixers land - Signed PG, Drummond, Gordon & resigned Kelly Oubre. More work to do to build out the roster but man kudos
Oubre resigned? That sucks, I figured they would re-sign him.
Y’all still will bow out round 1/2. But kudos man
Gordon looked cooked cooked last year
Sixers are going to have the best "did not dress" roster in the league 😤😤 Street Clothes Squad
It's crazy to think George is getting that much money at 34-38 and that he wants to leave LA to get it. Why bother? He's not winning jack with Embiid, it's cold and that extra $50 million makes absolutely zero difference to his or even his grandkids lives.
Nah pg13 doesn’t get judged for jumping around because everywhere he went made sense and was a good fit but kd joined a 73 win team that shit was od bro
I thought PG was good back when he was with Indiana, felt like he was pretty underrated back then. But since then seems like he’s slightly overrated and just isn’t a winning player
Paul George has to win some life achievement award for getting paired with the worst performing NBA stars in playoff history. Carmelo, Westbrook, Harden, and now Emiid. Honestly, he did better by himself with the Pacers battling Lebron all those years.
If Bill doesn't mention he has Clippers season tickets TH-cam demonetizes his videos.
Paul George’s moment might have been the 2013 East semi-Finals vs the Knicks where a deep Pacers team beat Melo in clutch moments but got beat by Lebron, Wade & Bosh in the ECF. From that point on, it became about the money. He went to OKC where it went nowhere. Finally the Los Angeles Beach Boys assembled 4 guys from California (Kawhi, Paul George, Russel Westbrook, James Harden) and it didn’t work. PG-13 wanted another giant bag of cash 💰 AND a trade to Philly. In a 40 game season, this is a win. In a long 82 game season, I dunno if this gets the Sixers to the Finals with a 34 yr old PG-13.
They won’t. Celtics most likely come out the East, while sixers have another failed season and second round exit. People think Simmons embiid, jimmy butler, and jj reddick was worse than this team? Because this team is worse. If that 2019 Philly squad couldn’t get it done, this team don’t stand a chance.
😂😂😂 They definitely still not better than the Celtics but arguably better than that 2019 squad for sure. Embiid is wayy better maxey is a star, George is still a star, and oubre a above average slasher and okay shooter.
💯💯💯💯
lol at Bill mentioning Al Horford (twice) as some sort of exciting trade piece. Truly a beautiful mind.
typical simmons pod. slides celtics into convo at every opportunity. even when there is no opportunity really. and shades the knicks.
never change bill. never change.
I caught that too. Said Philly, celts and paused before saying the bucks. He intentionally left the Knicks out as an obvious slight. I get he’s biased but come on man!
you know that Harden came to the clippers talking shit about Daryl Morey and then PG still went to Philly. 😂
He left an injury prone star who is never available come the playoffs for another injury prone player who is never healthy come the playoffs 🤣😭
As much as i like pg I would rather pay klay 17 mill in 2026 than pg 53 mill in 2028
Paul George and Joel Embiid when it comes to underperforming against expectations:
*Kobe and Shaq Highlights Meme*
Wow, A Clippers team with an often injured Kawhi and Harden as the lead star could have a bad record and the Thunder own that pick. That is rough.
Ever since the Pacers-Heat series 2013 where PG and LeBron went bucket for bucket most games he realized he doesn't have to prove anything, just get the biggest bag
Pg has never been on KD level bill
Ahhh pg before Olympic knee injury very tmac like with better defense, pg13 was legit problem
Pg probably better than kd before the injury.
“at this point you should just get Lakers tickets " lol
Now when the Clippers blow it up in 2 years, OKC has ALL their Draft Picks😂😂😂😂 THEY ARE SCREWED
yea okc has 2 clippers pick swaps. 2025 and 2026. Which means if clippers end up being bad next season and get a top 10 pick in 2025 draft, okc can use the swap to get that top 10 pick. And that's a very good bet for okc lol
Gms keep giving max contracts to dudes past their prime
Bill, do not bring this guy back. Worse guest you have ever had.
Maxey is going to have to step up & become the teams closer for this to result in a championship. At this point George & Embiid are what they are in this league and neither of them are that guy.
The only people who think PG is the GOAT are the youngsters who learned hoops from Instagram. That demographic overvalues PG and Kyrie because they’ve got a pretty game. Those people overvalue a “bag” and undervalue effectiveness/impact.
NOW EVERYBODY MAD BECAUSE ITS THE 76ERS 😂
“Kyle, turn the TikTok camera on!”
Maybe the Clippers signed Harden because he looked better than Paul George against the Mavericks and it was at a cheaper price. And then there’s still Kawhi that they signed for 4 years who was absent so maybe the logic is with Kawhi back instead of Paul George they would be just as good
Sixers had no choice. Even though they'll never win a title with Embiid because of his injury history, they still had to do the dance and pay for another star alongside their MVP or he would bust out of there. Embiid has certainly had enough examples of players acting badly, so he definitely would do what KD, Kyrie, Harden and Simmons did. I sure hope everybody stays healthy.
Some of the biggest what ifs in Pacer history. What if Paul George never got hurt. Does he become the best player or close to it in the league. What if Indiana didn’t trade Kawhi Leonard for George Hill. Imagine a starting lineup of Random PG(probably Lance Stephenson) PG, Kawhi, West, and Hibbert… yea that team could’ve won at least one ring. 2011-13 PG was on a different level. What if what if.
It’s honestly sad what happened to Simmons, just the most biased person in media now. Sad!
The first part of this sentence I was 100% this was talking about Ben Simmons
I'd rather sign PG to this deal vs trading 6 firsts for a very good role player like the Knicks did for Bridges. The Sixers window is really on 2-3 years with Embiid so signing an aging star makes more sense for the Sixers. He's the perfect fit next to Embiid/Maxey too with great spot up shooting and very good perimeter defense.
Boston dynasty talks way too early. Crushing whole season just leads to big 3s being formed. 76ers with perimeter defender and best center are biggest threat.
Need to see Embid make it out of the 2nd round first. And also this isn’t the first time Embid got “the guy” he needed to take him to the promise land. See Jimmy Butler. That was a dumpster fire.
@@nathanharrison2839 no one ever said butler was the guy lol
@@nathanharrison2839 - Ben Simmons was on that team fighting Jimmy over who would play Point, and Jimmy refused to shoot catch-and-shoot 3s because of it (not that he likes doing that anyway).
The "big 3" fit of that roster was actually terrible. The fit here is immaculate.
@nathanharrison2839 That year with JB was not a dumpster fire. It's the closest the Sixers ever got to really contend.
The apron is important because you can’t sign basically anyone else to the team. It is punishing star movement on max contracts.
YES! Wildes!! Thank you!! Our generations Costas!
This co-host is terrible never have him back.
I don’t know why. But this felt so gentlemanly.
PG wanted the max. Let's not assume he gave a damn about winning a championship.
I feel bad for Maxey, just when he has a breakout season, PG shows up and knocks him back down
Bill is such a sixers hater, definitely being biased 💯
intuit dome will lift the clippers curse. believe it, bill. exciting and competitive seasons ahead 🔥
Wildes voice sounds just like Barry Mccockiners
Pg13 is what Tobais is supposed to be and diet lebronze is what pg13 is supposed to be Noone is anyone. Goodluck 76ers 😂
Why do they keep saying Paul George era when kahwi was the man. Were the 90’s Bulls the pippen era 🤦🏽♂️
Because PG played
It's also like KD Warriors. The Steph era pre-dated and post-dated the KD era. The Kawhi era is still ongoing.
@@michaelahurt you don’t see the huge difference in situations? Kahwi and pg came the same offseason and kahwi chose pg not the other way around. When is it your era if you where never the best player and definitely never won anything
@@koolk4ever1 The PG era is the 5 years PG was there with Kawhi
It's simply a shorthand. Like if you're talking about Boston, you wouldn't say the Tatum or the Brown era. You would identify it by the surrounding players because that is what changed.
You have the IT era, Kyrie era, Kemba era, Ime era and Holiday era. Because when you say that, people don't need to clarify.
If you said the Kawhi era, depending on context, the next question would be "with PG or after" so you just say the PG era
It has nothing to do with who is better.
@@michaelahurt that’s playing in an era, not your own era 🤦🏽♂️. It isn’t that hard to understand
@@koolk4ever1 It's not _his_ era. It is _an_ era but the easiest way to denote the period of time when PG & Kawhi played together is to say the PG Clippers because everyone will know what you mean.
It's simply a reference point not a statement about who the best player was
Great way for Balmer to introduce the intuit dome era. Especially with the KPJ signing.
The toilet bowl era begins with a season of huffing, puffing and getting to play in and get kicked out in the play in game.... Followed by a disinterested Harden and then it is lottery City...
But guys he’s the goat of smooth how could you not want him
1:47 American education on it's lowest 😃 PG was an upcoming star who never actually came up, Greatest of wtf
Bill is just annoying.
These are my two guys when it comes to basketball talk!
was not expecting Wildes on this when I clicked lol
Not fair to call PG “Durant-ish” when he’s not pouting and forcing early trades.
He literally has twice.
I don't get this move by PG you left a team where the best player is always hurt in the playoffs for another team who's best player is always hurt in the playoffs like what
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Hey Daryl! Why did you give Paul George Harden's Money!! You WRONG for this!
Daryl Morey is a liar!!!
Lol Harden SUCKS
PG role on this team is to be a closer and shooter. Also when Embiid is on bench he becomes a secondary option to Maxey. He will have games they go through him cause they are hot. But most games will go through their MVP and Maxey’s young legs
Lol, PG a closer?
As a celtics fan i am so excited for the sixers to get paul george. This is going to be so much fun
Lol sure you are. Congrats on the championship, tho.
The problem here is that Simmons thinks Clipper fans care that PG left. Wildes refusing to think about the CBA and implications shows he is a casual.
Dame knocking down that bad shot knocking OKC out of playoffs was PGs defining moment
Kawhi made a huge mistake leaving Toronto after they won the championship in 2019. Kawhi had no pressure in Toronto.
I think the pressure in LA got to him.
Nah I loved vengeful podcast Bill. When the new post-ESPN podcast started with Picture Me Rollin ...
Chefs Kiss
The best/most entertaining Bill's are:
1) Bewildered/WTF is happening Bill
2) I hate my team Bill
3) F**k ESPN Bill
Simmons is better when he has a little fire in the belly and it's stream of consciousness ranting and raving. Honestly all talking heads are better in their Mad Dog moments
Feels like Wildes hasn’t watched or read or heard anything about the NBA in the last 3 years. WTF was this guest appearance?
KW: “What’s the defining Paul George moment? Some bad playoff games? Dunking on LeBron when he was 21?”
PG has 21 30+ point playoff games. He’s not a frickin bum lmao.
This is a good dou with Wildes and Simmons !!
Best move for Philly would’ve been to TRADE EMBIID and load up for this next draft and bring back some nice young talent for Maxey to grow with. Now in 4 years Maxey will be great but PG embiid maybe retired. Would OKC give Chet and Dort? Take those two and picks it’s a done deal.
Bill conveniently forgets that he thought the Paul George-OKC trade was great for the Clippers at the time.
Is it just me or is there no middle class in the NBA either? It's either a near 40 year old veteran or It's a 20-something with no track record and we have no idea what could happen.
Betting on the veteran with the risk of an injury season does feel a little safer, a little more researched and thought out.
Regardless of what happens, forget about the money. If they lose the money lost is always a massive tragedy, but if they win who really gives a shit what it cost? You can't buy an NBA championship, all of the guys who might help you get one cost around the same amount. And if you get a young guy cheap, now he wants to get paid because he got you a chip. So the money is always a sunk cost. Fuck it, pay him the max. Max out to the cap. Pay the shit out of the luxury tax. Top tier. Fuck it. If you win, you do NOT care. If you dont win you blame the coach or front office and pay the same amount to someone else anyway.
If you're the Sixers, it's all about Embiid. This is not the Patrick Ewing Knicks. Maxey is not pulling a team of whatevers to a championship. No Embiid, no chip. Period. Will Embiid ever have a fully healthy season? All signs point to no, so fuck it. Load up, have fun, get close, maybe get lucky but wait until the next amazing guy comes along and hope he's healthy this time.
s/o to my boy Kevin Wildes , my fourth favorite FTF anchor ❤️
I can't believe people are genuinely biting the bullet with the Sixers. They are both injury prone, they are both playoff droppers, the other pieces are cute but they have no bench. I mean, it's the Sixers, Embiid couldn't do it with healthy Jimmy Buttler, so I doubt he is suddenly doing it with old PG13
George has played 70 games once in the last five years, last year. GOAT? Ridiculous. Great player. I guess. What team has he lifted up, has he put on his shoulders and driven them somewhere? He's never played a single game in the Finals in eleven years, playing on some supremely gifted teams, with supremely talented teammates? Never?
He's just gonna break some Philly hearts this season when he tears his ACL, ruptures his Achilles, or has some weird injury no one has ever heard of.
In 14 years, he has 7 full seasons and 7 injured seasons. That's not a GOAT career, no matter what some players say.
I have nothing against him, but he's a second guy, not a first. And he's hurt way too often to be a true star worthy of the risk.
They are both being extremely uncharitable to Paul George. He was a legitimate MVP candidate in 2019 and he has been consistently excellent throughout his career with amazing playoff moments. I know he became a minute for a minute there with what happened in 2020 but they talk about him like he’s a bum who hasn’t done anything
Not talkin about the elephant in the room. WestBrick staying put may have suaded PJ's decision making process.
PJ teamed up with a dude that cant make a shot + a dude that can't play due to injuries + a dude that can't perform in playoffs
PJ "When's my flight outta here?"
Paul George’s defining moment if we are being real is the Dame time dagger on him to end that entire Russ OKC era.
HEY CLIPPERS FANS, ALL THAT TRASH TALKING AFTER BEATING MY MAVS IN 2021, JUST TO END UP BEING A JOKE LIKE ALWAYS 😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🗑️🗑️🗑️🗑️
Kevin Durant takes “the poopoo” because he went to a 73-9 team, left the best situation in NBA history, put together his own team which failed, then demanded out and probably ruined a good young team that was in the finals a season prior. And now there’s noise of him being shopped (again)