Female Custodes? That's false. No way. Not this time. Tourist created it. Not this time. No. Not this time. It's totally made up. A pure fiction. It's fiction. It's Fiction. Wokies made it up. Activists made this one up. It's a made up tale. It's a total fabrication. It never happened. It never happened. This one was invented by a non-writer. Not this time. Never happened. It's false. It never happened. It's fake. It's a fiction. It's a urban legend, that never happened. No way. They\Thems got you. Not a chance. Not this time. It never happened. It never happened. Wokies made this one up. It's fiction. They\Thems made up this one. Tourists made it up. Not this time. Wrong. Not this time. Not this time. They're wrong. Not this time. It never happened.
Definitely an ideological war, I agree in that I don’t think they’re walking the females back. They only double down on their own BS, and the marketplace shall punish them for it.
Just like Disney couldn't express their hate for KOTOR and it not being cannon (was ironic they used names from multiple games including KOTOR in their first movie 😂) , at this point the ppl parading around like they're the creators don't have any real opinion of worth on anything cannon or otherwise.
@@ericcollins1497 They literally stole the entire ability set of the protagonist from KOTOR2, a much more interesting and canonically female character, for Rey and did it halfassedly.
Guy Haley and Gav Thorpe (the guys who made the Ultimate Guidebook) explains how the Adeptus Custodes are “less regimented than the Imperial forces” and later on explains how they’re all a *brotherhood.*
I saw an article with a screenshot from bluesky in which Gav Thorpe said the only reason there are no female custodes in the book is because they already finished that part before GW made them official, and he says they're canon.
@ In the 80s guidebooks, all the Custodes are said to be _”all men that never left Earth and rarely left the Imperial Palace.”_ It went on to say that were _”tasked with recording his directions.”_ I’m not on that site so I’ll take what you said with a grain of salt but there’s never been female Adeptus Custodes.
@@chivasroco1752 Can you share that bluesky link? I would be very surprised if they would just leave the lore shattering redcon (since female custodes were apparently always there) in the book because they didn't want to change two sentences.
Why does the entertainment industry continue to cater to people who aren't even fans of these franchises and abandoning the fans, then they act so surprised when they end up losing money and going bankrupt, this trend has to end.
It's hard to believe but it's because of ungodly unholy organisations that tries to keep humanity from god and force the satanic agenda I know as I said it's hard to believe But it 100% make sense No one like this, they try to force it, catered to no one!!! Make no sense right Not think about my reason, and it makes sense
@@ricorosson5752 won't matter if all the real fans , ie the 90%+ disagree with them. Though really it's more like 98% or so 😂 they want to be woke? Fans will 3D print figures and avoid anything that gives GW $ , blackrock can only fund all this stuff for so long especially with how many game that keeps bombing now and their cost PER game 😂 it will literally bankrupt them pretty fast , same with Amazon Hate and spite are powerful driving forces to bring ruin , any 40k should know this ;)
Nah it all boils down to the deal with Amazon for the tv show and Amazon wanting women in power armor. They didn't want to hear about neither sisters of silence nor battle.
40K is going mainstream. We're currently in the honeymoon period where they're making some wildly popular releases. But in a few years, when GW hires new/more writers to keep up with demand, the franchise will change. You'll get more and more canon conflicts as writers don't care about the legacy of the IP. Eventually, the hobby will cease to be a place for the current fan base all together, and the whole thing will collapse. So enjoy it wile lasts, because we're at the beginning of the end.
yep, same thing that happened to DND will happen to 40k. Just wait, soon we'll have a new primarch who trooned out, the orcs will be changed to be inclusive because current orcs are racist black stereotypes(despite being British soccer hooligans'), and they'll most likely take away grimdark (because it's to sad and it would piss off the chuds). I have more examples but what I listed should be enough to show where these activist types will go.
@@BootMan2day "Get ready for the Erda Heresy!! Ten times more impactful and heartwarming. Learn all about how Erda taught everything there is to know about the universe to the silly "emperor", but of course he wasn't listening. Get excited about her secret plans and how she is still controlling the golden throne from the super secret diamond throne deep inside the palace."
funniest part is, we already have Sisters of Silence, Adepta Sororitas and the Callidus Temple, 3 entire factions that are female exclusive. instead Gayme Wokestop makes more lore and content with those three armies they do pull a easy cop out and fling females around into custodes also, Custodes always have been male. ”It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra. It is a mark of incredible prestige to surrender one’s child to this most glorious of callings within the Imperium, and many notable clans amongst the Terran aristocracy have willingly given up almost entire generations of newborn sons to earn it.” - Codex: Adeptus Custodes (8th Edition) pg. 14
There are no female space marines, and there isn't supposed to be racial diversity within the individual chapters of Astartes, either. The conversion process is only designed for men, and part of it involves your DNA being almost completely overwritten with the genetic imprint of your Primarch. This is why acolytes have such a high mortality rate, it isn't just because of the posthuman bio-cyborg surgery. You take a caucasian and turn him into a White Scar, he SHOULD look Mongolian by the end of it, because 95% of his DNA was overwritten with a copy of Jaghatai Khan's. A MAJOR part of 40k lore is that our technology is degraded: these processes being innovated upon or improved is controversial all on it's own (coughprimaris).
@@raven12333 It's also not an avoidable or modifiable part of the lore, because it's the reason why all of the Blood Angels have to deal with the Thirst, and why all the Salamanders have onyx skin. Every Astartes is downstream of their gene seed. If a flaw develops in the geneseed, it hits EVERYONE. If the geneseed is lost or excessively corrupted, then that chapter is finished. GW cannot change this, they can't retcon it. Too much lore and too many in-universe problems hinge on that being how the geneseed works. The only person who would have been able to refine or improve the process was the Emperor himself, and he's not in any state to do that right now. Unless the Imperium is restored and the New Dark Age ends, women aren't going to be able to undergo the bioaugmentation process, and men shouldn't be retaining their own native genetic makeup through the conversion either.
@@LordRaine Yes, thank you for additional lore, you can consider me a new fan (or tourist for now) so i look for any bit of lore i can find. So far i love Salamanders, especially in today's day and age where every hero have to be deconstructed and shit on, it makes me like the one Chapter that are true heroes towards those they are meant to protect. I learned that their char black skin comes from one such defect, where their melanin lelvel goes haywire when exposed to their home world, and bits like this is what makes this world so awesome, because it is a minor details but it makes sense in this world and add depth to the sorry state of this universe.
until GW comes out and states it publicly, all i can think is that it slipped by them and that the official stance is that there where always femstodes and femmarines
Ahh yes so it’s the GOLDEN BROTHERHOOD! otherwise anything else I’m blaming Tzeentch. We need an edit of Lion El Johnson reacting to Tzeentch pulling this😂😂 HE DID WHAT WITH A WHAT, TZEEEEENNNNNNTTTTCCCCHHHH
Haley and Thorpe have written some of the most beloved Black Library works, much of it Canon. The Femstodes are going to get the Erda treatment, it's simply a matter of when (we vote Sooner over Later).
Also Slaanesh is basically LGBTQ+-%$Nonbinary*. They got their own badass faction. Literally, everyone gets their own faction. How is this not representation and inclusion?
I'm not a Warhammer 40,000 expert, but if anything you would turn a woman into a Space Marine. Space Marines aren't exactly human to begin with, or if anything they are superhuman, not unlike Captain America or something. So it's not that far fetched that women would go through that process. If that's never been the case in the lore and they're only changing it to satisfy some people then it's a bit silly, sure.
@cthulhucrews6602 no. In real life elite forces are all male period. Counterparts are the weaker link in squad and that is unacceptable in combat everytime
@@cthulhucrews6602 Men and women have fundamentally different biology. Different bone and muscular structures. Men are inherently faster, stronger, and more athletic. If you turn a man into a space marine you get a space marine. If you turn a woman into one, they will still have a different bone and muscular structure. They will not be as fast or strong as the males. They would be slower, weaker, and less athletic. In short, they would be inferior weapons. And that's what an astartes is supposed to be. A weapon. They are not _people_ they are super soldiers. Disposable tools. Weapons. Nothing more, nothing less. You start out with a weaker base, you get a weaker end product. The Astartes are supposed to be the best of the best. Ultra high performance elite super soldiers. So making an inferior version of those weapons and negatively impacting their over all preformance as a whole organization makes ZERO sense from a purely practical perspective. Plus the Astartes are intentionally designed to not be able to reproduce as the Emperor did not want an artificial "species" competing with Humanity. Therefore limiting them to only being males is an intentional part of not giving them any possibility of ever reproducing. Add females and that impossibility becomes merely "improbable" as they would then have genetically compatable females. You could theoretically sterilize them enmass, but that's an extra-surgery and you know damn well the Chaos Marines would not bother with that step. In fact they would intentionally avoid it so they could have an ultra-rapid expansion to bolster their numbers to insane degrees and completely outcompete mankind. Plus the Astartes would probably have been given the Thunder Warrior treatment at the end of the Great Crusade if the Horus Heresy hadn't happened. So there's that. The Custodes would be in the exact same position in all of these regards except there's no chaos custodes, and The Emperor may have kept them around locked in his palace, isolated from the galaxy outside the palace walls, like he planned to do with the Primarchs. Therefore, female Custodes and female Astartes make zero sense, logically. They never have and never will.
Why do these people think they should force women/gay into anything no matter what, women are already in so many groups of 40k even having a female high lord of terra who is so cool. Just to force their way to this why, next thing you know the legions are gonna start having trans brothers if they keep doing stuff like this.
ya its what marvel and lesser extent dc and start wars and everything else does, the whole bringing in new things in passed few years and therefore its been around long time. Or worse they bring up the inception of them when there were reasons they were like that and became what they were meant to be and stayed that way for many many years. (Like how Batman went from a guy in pajamas driving a car with a underwear robin and joker hiding behind desks in same room - very friendly and safe Pow Bamm - overall the batman we know and love for ages with only change being how dark he is and how often he puts in a little joke.
All this civil war in the GW is absolute nonsence, this controversy shouldn't even exist, there never were and never will be a female Adeptus Custodes, Primarchs or space Marines. There are sisters of battle aka Adepta Sororitas. This is the only truth and everyone knows it)
It doesn't matter if game workshop acknowledges it as lore; most fans are just lore fans who watch memes and play a game with head cannons and theories or are lore fans plus tabletop, Warhammer doesn't need GW and fans have never cared about official lore by the suit's, dragon ball manga readers and Naruto Shippuden fans don't last long in the community it quickly gets shut down; no matter what GW says the majority of the fan base have decided it's not real so that's the lore fact end of story the author isn't even born to drop in the Warhammer community, if GW have an issue with it tuff they can go sell more $3,000 mech models to the five people who agree with them that can be printed with $25 of left over plae+ filament each American with a 3d printer already has.
They would work 16 hours every day in a manufactorum, making shoelaces for the Astra Militarum. They wouldn't have time for such nonsense. They have too much free time and cocaine in our reality.
yeah I can see 3 things happening, 1 gw is so ideologically captured that they denounce the original creators saying that the custodes are a brotherhood, 2 they ignore the book, or 3 they just dont afirm either the activists or the creators take and just continue on as if the femstodes thing never happened
Whats amusing is if they had just responded to the intial shock differetly and admited they were changing the lore and then add in some mystery and traditional smoke and mirrors the fan outrage would have simmered down over time just as many other upsets have. You know like how they've dealt with all other big changes (I'm impying someone shit the bed on purpose)
I saw a video earlier today where one of those guys says they did not retcon it that the book was published before they could put in the updated information that there are female custodes.
I don't remember where I heard it explained, but there's an in Canon method to add them that wouldn't have broken the lore. All they had to do was have her be the first one, made by the Emporer's command. The video went into more detail, and it sounded functional. But instead, they actively chose to go against Canon with this mess, instead of doing their homework.
Thing is the Emperor already TRIED to make female space marines at the very start but the failure rate was in the high 90's for percentage no matter WHAT he tried and while the males had a lower fail rate it was STILL high (between 60-70 percent) and the reason it was so high for the females is due to just how invasive and complete the alterations were, their bodies quite literally couldn't handle it.
@MegaRazorback I'm not arguing FOR this crap, I'm just saying they could have done this in a way that would NOT have ticked off the Fandom. But they chose to do it this way, and now, behold the result.
@@SolarinDay Neither am i but i'm saying the LORE reason outright prevents that from ever happening, the sheer invasive and thorough augmentations to become a space marine are to much for a female to handle.
I have a copy of it myself from not long after the initial release; this has been in the book since release, and while that sounds like GW is doing a walk back, I'm fairly certain a book like this would have been in the works for a while; the book was announced back in July for an October release, with the Custodes reveal being in April. I just did a quick flick through my book, and it looks like the most recent model in it is the Kroot Trail Shaper, which was released back in March. My guess is the models and text were finalized between the T'au release in March, and the Custodes in April. I imagine the release plan was well in place before May, by which time, it may have been too late to issue a... I'm going to say recall, but since the book wasn't released yet, I don't know if that's the right term - a recall on it when the back lash started. Keep in mind, the book was published by a third party with two separate BL authors ; it's also a possibility the news got lost before it went to print. What I find telling, though... is the fact this is only just now coming out. Makes me wonder who the actual tourists are: the people that bought the book early after release, but didn't throw a fit over this, or the people only just finding out about this now, and are proclaiming they 'won'.
I give this advice to all fandoms. Your hobbies have been infested or are targeted for infestation. Get what you like from and for them now be it books, miniatures, cards, comics, figures, games etc so you'll have what you consider canon when the symptoms of the DEI infection start showing. Your hobbies are not forever at their companies but they can be for your lifetime in your own home.
FFS this is a DK licensed product not GW published book, compiled by cut and pastes by DK's staffers from previous GW material, all from before the new Custodes Codex was written! Thorpe and Haley are just there as editor names for legitimacy, it's not a GW publication! This doesn't change anything, or any of the crap coming out from the Wokeshop itself!
Fandom Pulse js wrong in the headline. The book does not say Custodes are brotherhoods, it says forces are made from the 5 orders, and ancillery groups of which brotherhoods are one are part of them.
If there was EVER a reason to stop buying GW models and to swap to 3D printed ones, THIS is it!!! Not only has GW been pricing themselves OUT of their own market, they do this kind of BS and seal the deal.
I’m the heretic that fields an Ultramarine Librarian with pointy ears (custom head I commissioned to a 3D printer) and even I draw the line with Femcustards. Old school 40K players will known I stick to canon 😅
I think peple are jumping the gun on this. Specially since Amazon has gotten it's hands on 40k and will Rings-of-Power it to the warp and back. Just like how they screwed the Fallout continuity and sharted over Halo. So yeah. In my opinion, female custodes is gonna remain a thing and far worse is in the horizon.
I'm actually quite angry there are no female orks shown within the Franchise. Where is female representation amongst the orks???? Why is there no such thing as an orky girl boss?
The rot has set in and begins to spread. Knowing that they're embracing the rot rather than cutting it out I can say that WH40K and everything else from Games Workshop is as good as dead. It's only a matter of time. Even after it dies they'll continue to parade it's corpse around for a while until there's nothing left, not even a corpse.
It's so ridiculous! I'm a female and a huge WH40k fan. And even I don't want female Custodes. I dare to say exactly noone who likes 40k wants female Custodes. Why even? We fell in love with the universe exactly the way it's been created. Isn't this proof enough? Anyways, glad to see that here are still voices of reason at work. Other franchises have already given up completely.
I won't lie, I'm worried they'll bring back "Jennifer Khan" back from the Maelstrom. Or maybe that should be the "Femaelstrom" - us idiot Scars players didn't realise she's always been a lady since 1987 (que retcon wiki's).
Yeah... I'm not looking around for crumbs from GW. They need to come to me, cap in hand, showing appropriate contrition, before they get any money from me ever again.
Games Workshop will probably cast him aside after this, much like how Wizards of the Coast doesn't like past works of D&D writers. Doesn't conform to a narrative...now you'll be ostracized, sir.
Civil war means the fandom is split. No. These are activists invading the fandom. The original fandom and creators need to GROW A SPINE and stand for their franchise without bending the knee.
I don't understand why they didnt use the opportunity to come up with a new purely female faction called the devoted daughters or something. I'm not totally clued up on the 40K lore but creating new instead of destroying the old is always the better option when it comes to written material.
I do hope this is officially cannon. I am not a Warhammer player, so i dont know much about the world as many others here most likely do, but i do know one thing: If the Trans and gay have the right to exist and create their own things, then the things that came before them have every right to exist as well, and even things like true brotherhood Warhammer have far more reason to exist as if it wasn't for this, and the original fans of the series to support it, there would have not been any industry these wokies are in right now. And for the record, that comes from a gay man, that does support his hobbies, and favorite creators, and not just with words.
Because activists and dei pushers have never heard of 40k till it got in the spot light. These sheep of the wokeisum have never bought 40k book, model kit, played the table top, paint a model, played a video game. The have no right to change what they have never supported. Glad for the retcon, get out of my grim dark universe tourists
Knew this false information would get passed around like this. Book was probably made about a year ago before all the female Custode drama happened, And knowing these guide books most likely reuses old material.
There is an entire army that is nothing but badass space nuns and yet somehow that's not enough. They needed to have female Custodes SPECIFICALLY to make 40k more "modern" and "inclusive." Never mind the Sisters of Silence who are direct auxiliary forces for the Custodes to help them against Psykers since that's their biggest weakness. What an utterly stupid move by GW. Go build Gunpla and save yourself a boatload of money for FAR superior models.
gav thorpe is now freelance. sadly, he took it back. book was printed already way before the femstodes debacle. he also claims that there are miniatures, which I haven't seen yet, already or in the works. redditors are already laughing at all the "YT grifters" who posted this news.
What do you all make of this?
They addressed it. Femstodes still a thing
Female Custodes?
That's false. No way. Not this time. Tourist created it. Not this time. No. Not this time. It's totally made up. A pure fiction. It's fiction. It's Fiction. Wokies made it up. Activists made this one up. It's a made up tale. It's a total fabrication. It never happened. It never happened. This one was invented by a non-writer. Not this time. Never happened. It's false. It never happened. It's fake. It's a fiction. It's a urban legend, that never happened. No way. They\Thems got you. Not a chance. Not this time. It never happened. It never happened. Wokies made this one up. It's fiction. They\Thems made up this one. Tourists made it up. Not this time. Wrong. Not this time. Not this time. They're wrong. Not this time. It never happened.
Definitely an ideological war, I agree in that I don’t think they’re walking the females back. They only double down on their own BS, and the marketplace shall punish them for it.
Your video premature is what I make of it Trent Report already put out a correction.
Entertinment industry is no longer about connenctin' people.
Activists talk, wallets walk
Oh that is good! 😂🎉
Activists walk, wallets talk
@@Will-m4s Walk is the action. Talking is just talk
Amén Brother, money speak 100 times more than a bunch of activist who... Surprise surprise got no money just X/twitter
@@ChiefGore429 I think his point is that the activists will eventually have to walk away cause we all keep talking with our wallets.
Female Custodes are NOT canon.
Change my mind.
Mechanicus Tech Priest "It will not be enough to change the mind, we will need to replace everything, only then will you be an adequate servitor".
A Sisyphean task indeed
No
Oh! OH! Where is the guy that said there has always been female custodes? Where is that gaslighter!?
Probably given a visit from the inquisitorium
That woke freak? Probably on reddit jerking it to furry pron
retconned out of existence, I suspect.
These writers never heard of sisters of battle or sisters of silence.
And they're supposedly "fans" of 40k.
Typical virtual signaling grift
Even sisters of battle will hunt them down
The female Custodes video is now regulated to fan fiction trash where it belongs
Activists don't buy games, and gamers don't buy activism.
Whether they recognize it or not, it's canon. Screw Games Wokeshop and the blue hairs.
I wish that were the case, I really do, but normies don't see it that way. This setting will continue to be feminized into oblivion.
Just like Disney couldn't express their hate for KOTOR and it not being cannon (was ironic they used names from multiple games including KOTOR in their first movie 😂) , at this point the ppl parading around like they're the creators don't have any real opinion of worth on anything cannon or otherwise.
@@ericcollins1497 They literally stole the entire ability set of the protagonist from KOTOR2, a much more interesting and canonically female character, for Rey and did it halfassedly.
Never mess around with established lore.
Guy Haley and Gav Thorpe (the guys who made the Ultimate Guidebook) explains how the Adeptus Custodes are “less regimented than the Imperial forces” and later on explains how they’re all a *brotherhood.*
I saw an article with a screenshot from bluesky in which Gav Thorpe said the only reason there are no female custodes in the book is because they already finished that part before GW made them official, and he says they're canon.
@ In the 80s guidebooks, all the Custodes are said to be _”all men that never left Earth and rarely left the Imperial Palace.”_ It went on to say that were _”tasked with recording his directions.”_ I’m not on that site so I’ll take what you said with a grain of salt but there’s never been female Adeptus Custodes.
@@chivasroco1752 Can you share that bluesky link? I would be very surprised if they would just leave the lore shattering redcon (since female custodes were apparently always there) in the book because they didn't want to change two sentences.
@@chivasroco1752link?
They've confirmed that femstodes are cannon.
Why does the entertainment industry continue to cater to people who aren't even fans of these franchises and abandoning the fans, then they act so surprised when they end up losing money and going bankrupt, this trend has to end.
Because they get funding from blackrock and other woke agencies to do it
It's hard to believe but it's because of ungodly unholy organisations that tries to keep humanity from god and force the satanic agenda
I know as I said it's hard to believe
But it 100% make sense
No one like this, they try to force it, catered to no one!!!
Make no sense right
Not think about my reason, and it makes sense
At this point , im pretty sure its pushed by China and the like . Thanks to idiot activists , AAA gaming gonna be completely eastern in 10 years
We're gonna keep winning!
They've already come out and said it's not canon. This is no win.
@ricorosson5752 where can i find this info?
@@ricorosson5752 won't matter if all the real fans , ie the 90%+ disagree with them. Though really it's more like 98% or so 😂 they want to be woke? Fans will 3D print figures and avoid anything that gives GW $ , blackrock can only fund all this stuff for so long especially with how many game that keeps bombing now and their cost PER game 😂 it will literally bankrupt them pretty fast , same with Amazon
Hate and spite are powerful driving forces to bring ruin , any 40k should know this ;)
@@insanemang9983 th-cam.com/video/AdImL69qQrQ/w-d-xo.html
Who cares what anyone says? Their unreliable narrator they cling to cuts both ways
GW could have avoided this if they just update or add more sisters of battle and sisters of silence models or lore
Nah it all boils down to the deal with Amazon for the tv show and Amazon wanting women in power armor. They didn't want to hear about neither sisters of silence nor battle.
@@Thesavagesouls they do realize sob and sos wear power armor but not space marine style power armor
Chaos can't create, it only corrupts and taints.
@@Arkaeus04 that's the thing, they want boss women in THE iconic power armor. Female Space Marines are the only thing they'll accept.
@ they really hate those power armor abs on the armor of sob and sos
Seems like Slaneesh broke the 4th wall and corrupting the company itself
I mean they were referred to as the ten thousand sons..
40K is going mainstream. We're currently in the honeymoon period where they're making some wildly popular releases. But in a few years, when GW hires new/more writers to keep up with demand, the franchise will change. You'll get more and more canon conflicts as writers don't care about the legacy of the IP. Eventually, the hobby will cease to be a place for the current fan base all together, and the whole thing will collapse. So enjoy it wile lasts, because we're at the beginning of the end.
At least the Horus Heresy books are over. Imagine they getting woke 10years ago and HH would not be completed.
yep, same thing that happened to DND will happen to 40k. Just wait, soon we'll have a new primarch who trooned out, the orcs will be changed to be inclusive because current orcs are racist black stereotypes(despite being British soccer hooligans'), and they'll most likely take away grimdark (because it's to sad and it would piss off the chuds). I have more examples but what I listed should be enough to show where these activist types will go.
I completely agree. We've seen it with so many franchises, Star War, Homeworld, they all turn to shite in the end.
@@BootMan2day "Get ready for the Erda Heresy!! Ten times more impactful and heartwarming. Learn all about how Erda taught everything there is to know about the universe to the silly "emperor", but of course he wasn't listening. Get excited about her secret plans and how she is still controlling the golden throne from the super secret diamond throne deep inside the palace."
You should be telling us to stay aware and keep fighting, not to surrender ANOTHER IP to the activists.
funniest part is, we already have Sisters of Silence, Adepta Sororitas and the Callidus Temple, 3 entire factions that are female exclusive. instead Gayme Wokestop makes more lore and content with those three armies they do pull a easy cop out and fling females around into custodes
also, Custodes always have been male.
”It is known that all Custodians begin their lives as the infant sons of the noble houses of Terra. It is a mark of incredible prestige to surrender one’s child to this most glorious of callings within the Imperium, and many notable clans amongst the Terran aristocracy have willingly given up almost entire generations of newborn sons to earn it.”
- Codex: Adeptus Custodes (8th Edition) pg. 14
There are no female space marines, and there isn't supposed to be racial diversity within the individual chapters of Astartes, either. The conversion process is only designed for men, and part of it involves your DNA being almost completely overwritten with the genetic imprint of your Primarch. This is why acolytes have such a high mortality rate, it isn't just because of the posthuman bio-cyborg surgery. You take a caucasian and turn him into a White Scar, he SHOULD look Mongolian by the end of it, because 95% of his DNA was overwritten with a copy of Jaghatai Khan's. A MAJOR part of 40k lore is that our technology is degraded: these processes being innovated upon or improved is controversial all on it's own (coughprimaris).
It is refered to as new dark age after all.
@@raven12333 It's also not an avoidable or modifiable part of the lore, because it's the reason why all of the Blood Angels have to deal with the Thirst, and why all the Salamanders have onyx skin. Every Astartes is downstream of their gene seed. If a flaw develops in the geneseed, it hits EVERYONE. If the geneseed is lost or excessively corrupted, then that chapter is finished. GW cannot change this, they can't retcon it. Too much lore and too many in-universe problems hinge on that being how the geneseed works.
The only person who would have been able to refine or improve the process was the Emperor himself, and he's not in any state to do that right now. Unless the Imperium is restored and the New Dark Age ends, women aren't going to be able to undergo the bioaugmentation process, and men shouldn't be retaining their own native genetic makeup through the conversion either.
@@LordRaine Yes, thank you for additional lore, you can consider me a new fan (or tourist for now) so i look for any bit of lore i can find. So far i love Salamanders, especially in today's day and age where every hero have to be deconstructed and shit on, it makes me like the one Chapter that are true heroes towards those they are meant to protect. I learned that their char black skin comes from one such defect, where their melanin lelvel goes haywire when exposed to their home world, and bits like this is what makes this world so awesome, because it is a minor details but it makes sense in this world and add depth to the sorry state of this universe.
GW love to ruin their own canon to pander for that 1 percenter money that doesn't exist.
If you don't know Gav Thorpe and Guy Haley you are a tourist. 1000% they'll have to make this canon.
Gav Thorpe himself has just said that female custodes are canon. This book was written before the change, there's no civil war or anything like that.
Thinking of ordering this book through Amazon for maximum irony
until GW comes out and states it publicly, all i can think is that it slipped by them and that the official stance is that there where always femstodes and femmarines
If only the emperor was present to solve this hostile, woke challenge! Or perhaps those heritics just need some inquisitor love?
Take that, Slaanesh.
Gav Thorpe is 40k lore. His one of the older writing staff. And one of the best and most loved by fans.
he also mentioned of saying "yeah there are female custodes" so what's with this bs praise.
He just said that female custodes are canon.
As an Aeldari player I can tell you Gav Thorpe is not loved by us at least. His Aeldari books were so bad they got our role in the plot cancelled.
Ahh yes so it’s the GOLDEN BROTHERHOOD! otherwise anything else I’m blaming Tzeentch. We need an edit of Lion El Johnson reacting to Tzeentch pulling this😂😂 HE DID WHAT WITH A WHAT, TZEEEEENNNNNNTTTTCCCCHHHH
The Emperor protects.
Haley and Thorpe have written some of the most beloved Black Library works, much of it Canon. The Femstodes are going to get the Erda treatment, it's simply a matter of when (we vote Sooner over Later).
we have the Sisters of Silence, the Sisters of Battle, Rogue Traders, Female Imperial Inquisitors and Guardsmen. Chaos variants of some of those too.
Also Slaanesh is basically LGBTQ+-%$Nonbinary*. They got their own badass faction. Literally, everyone gets their own faction. How is this not representation and inclusion?
@@Riri_734 They thought "female custodes" were better 😂
damn i want to score with a slaanesh corrupted guardswoman you know the sex would be out of this world
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"degeneracy for the degenerate god"..
There’s some bad ass guardswomen to like minka lesk for example
For what military reason is there to have ANY space marine to turn into a woman?
I'm not a Warhammer 40,000 expert, but if anything you would turn a woman into a Space Marine. Space Marines aren't exactly human to begin with, or if anything they are superhuman, not unlike Captain America or something. So it's not that far fetched that women would go through that process. If that's never been the case in the lore and they're only changing it to satisfy some people then it's a bit silly, sure.
Women can't be marines due to biology. Female reproductive systems to be precise.
@cthulhucrews6602 no. In real life elite forces are all male period. Counterparts are the weaker link in squad and that is unacceptable in combat everytime
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Men and women have fundamentally different biology. Different bone and muscular structures. Men are inherently faster, stronger, and more athletic. If you turn a man into a space marine you get a space marine.
If you turn a woman into one, they will still have a different bone and muscular structure. They will not be as fast or strong as the males. They would be slower, weaker, and less athletic. In short, they would be inferior weapons. And that's what an astartes is supposed to be. A weapon. They are not _people_ they are super soldiers. Disposable tools. Weapons. Nothing more, nothing less.
You start out with a weaker base, you get a weaker end product.
The Astartes are supposed to be the best of the best. Ultra high performance elite super soldiers.
So making an inferior version of those weapons and negatively impacting their over all preformance as a whole organization makes ZERO sense from a purely practical perspective.
Plus the Astartes are intentionally designed to not be able to reproduce as the Emperor did not want an artificial "species" competing with Humanity. Therefore limiting them to only being males is an intentional part of not giving them any possibility of ever reproducing. Add females and that impossibility becomes merely "improbable" as they would then have genetically compatable females. You could theoretically sterilize them enmass, but that's an extra-surgery and you know damn well the Chaos Marines would not bother with that step. In fact they would intentionally avoid it so they could have an ultra-rapid expansion to bolster their numbers to insane degrees and completely outcompete mankind.
Plus the Astartes would probably have been given the Thunder Warrior treatment at the end of the Great Crusade if the Horus Heresy hadn't happened. So there's that.
The Custodes would be in the exact same position in all of these regards except there's no chaos custodes, and The Emperor may have kept them around locked in his palace, isolated from the galaxy outside the palace walls, like he planned to do with the Primarchs. Therefore, female Custodes and female Astartes make zero sense, logically.
They never have and never will.
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Chris isn't talking about the possibility of them becoming astartes. He's asking what the tactical benefit would be.
I picked up the book for Christmas. It's pretty kick ass. Highly recommend it. 8/10 😉👍
They won't walk it back as when companies embrace DEI, they have too much PRIDE
spineless,gelatinous weaklings,all of them.
Bro 40K community will not let this pass... For The Emperor!
Always trust the one involved with the creation itself. Not the fake corruption force.
Stand firm, stand proud, and let the enemies of the Emperor tremble before our unity and strength! For the Emperor! For the Imperium!
the warhammer universe will exist even when games workshop dies
Preserve and respect the ORIGINAL lore...and you won't have no problems🤷♂️
Why do these people think they should force women/gay into anything no matter what, women are already in so many groups of 40k even having a female high lord of terra who is so cool. Just to force their way to this why, next thing you know the legions are gonna start having trans brothers if they keep doing stuff like this.
its cause they don't want young boys to have a poper male role modles
Games Workshop can say that it’s not canon, but the fans will treat it as so. And in the end, the devoted fans are what make up 40k.
Maybe you mis typed, but actual fans will never accept female custodes. They are a self insert fever dream, not canon.
Likely the action of someone who, for any number of reasons, would like their place of employment to continue to exist.
ya its what marvel and lesser extent dc and start wars and everything else does, the whole bringing in new things in passed few years and therefore its been around long time.
Or worse they bring up the inception of them when there were reasons they were like that and became what they were meant to be and stayed that way for many many years. (Like how Batman went from a guy in pajamas driving a car with a underwear robin and joker hiding behind desks in same room - very friendly and safe Pow Bamm - overall the batman we know and love for ages with only change being how dark he is and how often he puts in a little joke.
All this civil war in the GW is absolute nonsence, this controversy shouldn't even exist, there never were and never will be a female Adeptus Custodes, Primarchs or space Marines. There are sisters of battle aka Adepta Sororitas. This is the only truth and everyone knows it)
The the civil war began For the emperor!! Female Custodies what hersey
It doesn't matter if game workshop acknowledges it as lore; most fans are just lore fans who watch memes and play a game with head cannons and theories or are lore fans plus tabletop, Warhammer doesn't need GW and fans have never cared about official lore by the suit's, dragon ball manga readers and Naruto Shippuden fans don't last long in the community it quickly gets shut down; no matter what GW says the majority of the fan base have decided it's not real so that's the lore fact end of story the author isn't even born to drop in the Warhammer community, if GW have an issue with it tuff they can go sell more $3,000 mech models to the five people who agree with them that can be printed with $25 of left over plae+ filament each American with a 3d printer already has.
I would genuinely love to see just how long these people would last if they existed in the 40K reality.
They would work 16 hours every day in a manufactorum, making shoelaces for the Astra Militarum. They wouldn't have time for such nonsense. They have too much free time and cocaine in our reality.
They already did this with actual history.
"It was always like that"
yeah I can see 3 things happening, 1 gw is so ideologically captured that they denounce the original creators saying that the custodes are a brotherhood, 2 they ignore the book, or 3 they just dont afirm either the activists or the creators take and just continue on as if the femstodes thing never happened
It sounds like game workshop got the taste of karma I love to hear it and that's why I like watching the videos like this
Whats amusing is if they had just responded to the intial shock differetly and admited they were changing the lore and then add in some mystery and traditional smoke and mirrors the fan outrage would have simmered down over time just as many other upsets have. You know like how they've dealt with all other big changes (I'm impying someone shit the bed on purpose)
Both Thorpe and Haley write Warhammer novels for the black library.
Male is in fact the default in many languages like placeholders for a person.
That's for pluralities, correct?
I saw a video earlier today where one of those guys says they did not retcon it that the book was published before they could put in the updated information that there are female custodes.
I don't remember where I heard it explained, but there's an in Canon method to add them that wouldn't have broken the lore. All they had to do was have her be the first one, made by the Emporer's command. The video went into more detail, and it sounded functional. But instead, they actively chose to go against Canon with this mess, instead of doing their homework.
Thing is the Emperor already TRIED to make female space marines at the very start but the failure rate was in the high 90's for percentage no matter WHAT he tried and while the males had a lower fail rate it was STILL high (between 60-70 percent) and the reason it was so high for the females is due to just how invasive and complete the alterations were, their bodies quite literally couldn't handle it.
@MegaRazorback I'm not arguing FOR this crap, I'm just saying they could have done this in a way that would NOT have ticked off the Fandom. But they chose to do it this way, and now, behold the result.
@@SolarinDay Neither am i but i'm saying the LORE reason outright prevents that from ever happening, the sheer invasive and thorough augmentations to become a space marine are to much for a female to handle.
ah finally lore experts making ULTIMATE guide and retconning the terrible retcon
finally something new that i can actually buy
I have a copy of it myself from not long after the initial release; this has been in the book since release, and while that sounds like GW is doing a walk back, I'm fairly certain a book like this would have been in the works for a while; the book was announced back in July for an October release, with the Custodes reveal being in April. I just did a quick flick through my book, and it looks like the most recent model in it is the Kroot Trail Shaper, which was released back in March. My guess is the models and text were finalized between the T'au release in March, and the Custodes in April. I imagine the release plan was well in place before May, by which time, it may have been too late to issue a... I'm going to say recall, but since the book wasn't released yet, I don't know if that's the right term - a recall on it when the back lash started.
Keep in mind, the book was published by a third party with two separate BL authors ; it's also a possibility the news got lost before it went to print.
What I find telling, though... is the fact this is only just now coming out. Makes me wonder who the actual tourists are: the people that bought the book early after release, but didn't throw a fit over this, or the people only just finding out about this now, and are proclaiming they 'won'.
I give this advice to all fandoms. Your hobbies have been infested or are targeted for infestation. Get what you like from and for them now be it books, miniatures, cards, comics, figures, games etc so you'll have what you consider canon when the symptoms of the DEI infection start showing. Your hobbies are not forever at their companies but they can be for your lifetime in your own home.
FFS this is a DK licensed product not GW published book, compiled by cut and pastes by DK's staffers from previous GW material, all from before the new Custodes Codex was written! Thorpe and Haley are just there as editor names for legitimacy, it's not a GW publication! This doesn't change anything, or any of the crap coming out from the Wokeshop itself!
Yep. That's what I've been saying. This setting is doomed.
I think it's funny that they're employing Tzeentchian writers now
Do not forget, that they put this female custodes stuff in the 10th ed codex. Its not just the twitter guy.
Fandom Pulse js wrong in the headline. The book does not say Custodes are brotherhoods, it says forces are made from the 5 orders, and ancillery groups of which brotherhoods are one are part of them.
Horus heresy plays out in real life at games Workshop.
If there was EVER a reason to stop buying GW models and to swap to 3D printed ones, THIS is it!!!
Not only has GW been pricing themselves OUT of their own market, they do this kind of BS and seal the deal.
I’m the heretic that fields an Ultramarine Librarian with pointy ears (custom head I commissioned to a 3D printer) and even I draw the line with Femcustards. Old school 40K players will known I stick to canon 😅
Warhammer 40k is 100% toxic masculinity. It's the entire point and why we love it.
This new guidebook is published by Games Workshop so it 100% canon
Both authors did like over 20 books in the lore
I think peple are jumping the gun on this. Specially since Amazon has gotten it's hands on 40k and will Rings-of-Power it to the warp and back. Just like how they screwed the Fallout continuity and sharted over Halo. So yeah. In my opinion, female custodes is gonna remain a thing and far worse is in the horizon.
We got the Horus Heresy and now we have the Fem/Trans Heresy in GW.
And we got that before GTA VI.
I'm actually quite angry there are no female orks shown within the Franchise. Where is female representation amongst the orks???? Why is there no such thing as an orky girl boss?
GW screams that they want to not retcon fem custodies, lmao it's just hilarious 😂
And, the author of that book just confirmed female custodes are still a thing. We celebrated too early.
Doesn't matter what GW says. It's already cannon to us
It’s almost like making major changes to existing IP can be a bad move
last time i was this early the turtle guy was already spaming what´s in the title
Adeptus Custodes is currently the worst selling faction in the game with 1% or no presence in various tournaments since the release of their Codex.
The rot has set in and begins to spread. Knowing that they're embracing the rot rather than cutting it out I can say that WH40K and everything else from Games Workshop is as good as dead. It's only a matter of time. Even after it dies they'll continue to parade it's corpse around for a while until there's nothing left, not even a corpse.
At this rate, They’ll be a third Horus Heresy...
It's so ridiculous! I'm a female and a huge WH40k fan. And even I don't want female Custodes. I dare to say exactly noone who likes 40k wants female Custodes. Why even? We fell in love with the universe exactly the way it's been created. Isn't this proof enough?
Anyways, glad to see that here are still voices of reason at work. Other franchises have already given up completely.
It's still canon. GW still gets the stick!
I won't lie, I'm worried they'll bring back "Jennifer Khan" back from the Maelstrom. Or maybe that should be the "Femaelstrom" - us idiot Scars players didn't realise she's always been a lady since 1987 (que retcon wiki's).
Guy is in charge of lore at Game's workshop
There are no female custodes.
Yeah... I'm not looking around for crumbs from GW. They need to come to me, cap in hand, showing appropriate contrition, before they get any money from me ever again.
Games Workshop will probably cast him aside after this, much like how Wizards of the Coast doesn't like past works of D&D writers. Doesn't conform to a narrative...now you'll be ostracized, sir.
Oh there's no war. The game is already over. Now is nothing but a downfall for them.😂😂😂😂😂
Civil war means the fandom is split.
No. These are activists invading the fandom.
The original fandom and creators need to GROW A SPINE and stand for their franchise without bending the knee.
I don't understand why they didnt use the opportunity to come up with a new purely female faction called the devoted daughters or something. I'm not totally clued up on the 40K lore but creating new instead of destroying the old is always the better option when it comes to written material.
Gav Thorpe’s Warhammer 40k vs Games Workshop’s Wokehammer For De Gays… Fight!
The world is healing.
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I do hope this is officially cannon.
I am not a Warhammer player, so i dont know much about the world as many others here most likely do, but i do know one thing: If the Trans and gay have the right to exist and create their own things, then the things that came before them have every right to exist as well, and even things like true brotherhood Warhammer have far more reason to exist as if it wasn't for this, and the original fans of the series to support it, there would have not been any industry these wokies are in right now.
And for the record, that comes from a gay man, that does support his hobbies, and favorite creators, and not just with words.
They've already came out and said it wasn't. GW isn't going to back down from this.
@ricorosson5752 that's fine by me really. The true players and fans of the franchise have already been spoken at the end.
Because activists and dei pushers have never heard of 40k till it got in the spot light. These sheep of the wokeisum have never bought 40k book, model kit, played the table top, paint a model, played a video game. The have no right to change what they have never supported. Glad for the retcon, get out of my grim dark universe tourists
Those 2 guys have written WH for years. Mostly great novels. I will go by what they say, not GWs PR department
Whait what? Hypnotic is now a Vtuber?
This has been happening for over a week now lol
@@Hypnoticc Didn't notice man! I just hit play to listen to you while doing other things. Nice change.
I see Horus...and there is Horus....so many Horus'es.
Knew this false information would get passed around like this.
Book was probably made about a year ago before all the female Custode drama happened, And knowing these guide books most likely reuses old material.
Book will be pulled from Amazon soon guarantee it
There is an entire army that is nothing but badass space nuns and yet somehow that's not enough. They needed to have female Custodes SPECIFICALLY to make 40k more "modern" and "inclusive." Never mind the Sisters of Silence who are direct auxiliary forces for the Custodes to help them against Psykers since that's their biggest weakness. What an utterly stupid move by GW. Go build Gunpla and save yourself a boatload of money for FAR superior models.
bro when did ur avatar start moving around i thought for a minute someone laced my weed and i was hallucinating
gav thorpe is now freelance. sadly, he took it back. book was printed already way before the femstodes debacle. he also claims that there are miniatures, which I haven't seen yet, already or in the works. redditors are already laughing at all the "YT grifters" who posted this news.
v-tuber? whyyyyyy
you were the chosen one and now you joined them!