That's _the_ italian iconic car. Not only it's everything Doug described but it also got the reputation of being an indestructible legend of a car that drives where other cars won't drive, on any terrain and condition. Nice used 4x4 Pandas are shooting up in value since people want them to this day and they still get national press or celebrities driving them (and praising them).
@@nickjacobs1770 also is impossible to replace with anything because the Panda is actually huge you can fit with working boots even if you are tall. my first car was a Panda that took me way to long to replace because im 1.96 (6/4 i think in American) and cars that i could fit where out of my price range or not really an upgrade.
Doug, you missed the most important feature for the Italian young couples: the reclining seats. They are so fast to use, and after reclining your have all the space you need for recreational purpose. Who knows how many were conceived inside a panda!
I'm Spanish. Back in the 1990's my aunt had a 1985 Panda, with body panels in that horrible kind of dirty ivory paint that was so popular at the time. I remember every time the speedometer hit 100 km/h the steering wheel would start shaking loudly. At 120 km/h _the whole car_ would start shaking. Fun times...
Thank you, Doug. You took me down memory lane. As a German, we take cars way too seriously, I still miss my Panda Selecta (automatic). The gearbox was the same size of the engine. It was like a aquarium set on a auto scooter. The repairs were so wonderfully easy and cheap. I took it on so many adventures and it never betrayed me. And it is a little sad that you did not drive that Panda 4x4 offroad because it is just a little mountain goat.
@@gianluca777 stavo per scrivere la stessa cosa. e intanto 3,7 su 10 è il voto finale! fun fuctor 3... styling 4 practical 4... mah questo più che dagmuro a me semvra dag mulo!
Another interesting quirk Doug missed: to minimise costs and complexity during production the front and rear side windows are not curved, they actually are a flat surface so that the same piece of glass could be fitted both on the left and right side.
I understand the flat windscreen was actually more expensive to make than a curved one, but a flat screen better suited the ethos of the car so they actually opted for the more costly option. Design won out!
@@stephenshepherd8740 worse yet the version my dad had - the windshield was tempered but not laminated (late 80s model?) and when a large oncoming vehicle passed him the entire windshield disintegrated and blew in on him. I dont know if they ever went to a laminated version (its a legal requirement in the US)
From what I can tell, isn’t that true for all American cars, compared to cars from other parts of the world? It bothered me so much when I went to the US - that all the side view mirrors are almost flat or at least close to flat! I assume not to save costs though, but probably because of some stupid laws that say that the mirror shouldn’t distort the actual image. This is the reason why I really hate driving in the US.
Italian here: the Panda is so italian and so familiar to us that seeing it in USA reviewed by Doug is really weird. Feels like when you see suddenly your best friend on national TV. By the way the 4x4 is not a regular Panda, it's a badass off road car
@@karlk.6819 ha capacità off road notevoli infatti è usatissima nelle zone di montagna e non solo. Sul fatto che sia scomoda… è ragionevolmente comoda e non è una bentley te ne sei accorto si?
Here's my Fiat Panda story: When skiing in Italy in the early 2000s there were a lot of banner adds on the ski lifts for Audis A4 quattro offroad. The cars were pictured on driving on slopes, drifting through snow, going over frozen lakes, climbing up hills. The Audi A4 quattro offroad surely is the car for the mountains, at least thats what Audi wanted us to believe. Skiing down I saw some workers fixing the poles & netting on the edge of the slope. Parked behind them: a Panda 4x4.
Yes, but audi sponsored the ski world Cup. Locals need something reliable, practical and affordable.. Before Pandas you could had seen a lot of Autobianchi A112 or Fiat 127, but the 4x4 traction of the panda was a great step ahead. Low weight and small tyres drove great on snow
In the late 90's/early2000s my family had a B5 Passat 4-motion, on the mountain we got stuck alongside some friends of us (with an Audi 100 V8 if I remember correcly), just to witness a Fiat Panda 4x4 overtaking with ease our cars that in the meantime completly sunk in the snow.
@@adrianzanoli There is a popular video where you can see a Range rover stuck in a snowy hairpin and then a Panda 4x4 arrives and passes like the road was clear of any snow or ice
My family lives in the mountains of Tuscany, and the 4x4 Panda can go anywhere on those narrow, steep dirt and gravel "roads." It is one of the few cars that is narrow enough to make it all the way up to the top of the town where my family comes from. It is perfectly suited to the terrain.
one of the biggest upside on the Panda was on non 4x4 cars, the rear "seats" would fold into the boot creating basically a queen size bed, if you're 20 something that means a lot
Fun fact: La Panda 4x4 is an absolute beast off road! It can beat the vast majority of 4WDs (including the Japanese ones); hence its popularity among hunters and farmers in Italy. Can you please try it out on dirt roads Doug? Greetings from Italy!!!
The Panda is our Ford F150. It's still one of the cars that sells better in Italy, I've got one in my family (although ours is a 2010s model, after it was completely redesigned using modern standards, the original spirit is there though: it's still a spartan and spacious car).
Also, the Panda 4x4 was made for farmers, not because of "poor roads", as I said above, it's the Italian version of the Ford F150, the American farmers' car.
Italian guy here! This car in particular has many optional: for example the fact that the passenger mirror is adjustable from the inside is an optional, the stereo system is an optional, the opening rear windows are an optional and the polarized rear mirror is also an optional. Also it's in fantastic shape and now these are becoming so rare, that one of this can cost at least as much as 9000/10000€. As always fantastic video, keep it up👍
I'm Portuguese, in Portugal a good condition one goes for a lot, we have some fanatics of the Panda and some groups that love to mod them, they are called "the Pandameras" of the Porche Panamera
Not sure how different our Seat Marbella was from the Fiat Panda, but our 1990s one didn't have a passenger mirror at all. Nor did it have any kind of radio/stereo. Also, our air vent was strictly singular. One vertical vent in the dash that could be tilted toward the driver or passenger, but def not both at once.... such decadence! It was definitely an interesting experience in summer...
The air vents Doug said was for defogging is just holes through the upper part of the firewall that allow cold air to be forced in while driving. Defogging is via the tiny slats in between. Also the fabric part of the "dashboard" is just that, a cloth clamped under the windscreen. The lower part has a channel sewn into it where a plastic tube is inserted. When the tube is hung on their side mounted holders it creates the hollow part for the speakers and glove storage pit. The ashtray slides on the plastic tube inserted in the fabric. Back seats could fold up against the back of the front seats, thus creating more storage on the fllor pan while acting as a safety stop for sliding cargo. 4X4-system is Austrian Steyr-Puch who made systems for among others Mercedes G-Wagon and the Pinzgauer military vehicles. Not all 4X4 had the inclinometer cluster on top of the dash. Yes, I owned a few of these wonderful small cars. Love them!
Doug has the power to make me want every car he reviews... especially these little ones. I'm only about an inch shorter than he is so some of them would be less practical but I love the little things that were made cheaply, that get good gas mileage, that are just cuuuuute! Wish cars weren't so expensive now, if I had more money I'd try and import one. Thanks for your comment, glad to see people like you contributing more interesting and useful information!
I stayed with an Italian family for a few weeks back in 1998. Their second car was a FIAT Panda. We once took a rideout to San Gimignano to a winery to pick up the family’s wine. To my amazement my host brought a empty demijohn which holds about 10 or more gallons of wine when filled. We arrived opened the back hatch and the wine make had a filling pump and filled us up. The ride back was considerably slower due to the addition of 10 gallons of wine through the beautiful Tuscan hills. What a memory.
You guys have no idea what an absolute tank that car is.Just like Doug said, when people think what italian car is the most iconic for italians, what comes to mind is not a Ferrari, it's not a Fiat 500 but it's this car. I live in Italy in the Alps and around here that is a legendary vehicle to say the least, many people still use it beause in some conditions it's still the best thing you can have. I have overtaken so many fancy SUVs or more practical offroaders stuck in snow on the mountain roads with this car and also with the newer versions of the Panda. Obviously it has its downsides, for example if you had to go on the highway and you were brave enough to touch the 130kmh everything would start to vibrate and the best safety feature in the Panda were the prayers you could say while driving lol.
Just some additions: this '95 model is almost a top of the line version. Base models had fixed rear windows, no clock, no water temperature gauge (in place there was a big red light), no trip meter, no plastic vents for the windshield, no speakers, no car stereo. Other engines were the primitive air-cooled 600 cc 2-cylinders, 899 cc OHV, various sizes FIRE engines (750, 1000 and 1100 cc). Sometime in the early nineties briefly existed a diesel version, i think it was a rough and slow 1400 cc natural aspirated.
"If you lived in Italy in that era, you either had a Panda, or knew someone who did" is an absolute truth: Pandas were omnipresent. They weren't fit just for cities, but also for countrysides and all the small villages that dot the Italian landscape, with their absurdly narrow streets. Thank you for reviewing this glorious piece of Italian car history.
Fun fact about the 4x4 version you reviewed: It is said that the 4x4 version wasn't initially planned by FIAT managers, but Giovanni Agnelli (the big boss of the company) needed a car to go skiing in Sestriere, which needed to be compact and capable of driving in the snow. Hence the 4x4 version was born
@@juliancrooks3031 the transmission was made by the same company who made the original G wagon transmission. Fiat just went to Austria and and ask them "I want the same but smaller". Sadly it became quite rare and they go for quite a bit of money, especially if in good conditions. But if you want a very small and reliable 4x4 this is basically the only car of this category that exists, the modern panda 4x4 is also a quite capable little car, but it can't take as much abuse as the old version and its not as capable as of road, though you can find videos of it competing with a range Rover. It should be too hard to import one of these to the US
Being Italian, this is probably the first time i see on this channel a "normal" car to me that is something strange to see in the US. The Panda is the true Italian Icon just like the old 500... A car that never let's you down and that if it happens, with a few euros you fix. I've driven a lots of variants and is always fun to drive, and still you can meet lots of those on the roads as Doug said. Just a little thing to add, the rear tailgate and the front grill are the "updated" ones, from 1991. The previous had also Fiat badges (front and rear) and the "Panda 4x4" logo was not sculpted on the body of the car but there was an emblem saying Panda 4x4 Steyr Puch wich was the factory who made the 4WD system
Don't forget that the Yugo at the bottom of Doug's list was actually based on a Fiat. However, it was a 1970s design and the Yugoslavians might not have put them together as as carefully.
@@MrDuncl Well, yes it was based on a Fiat but never began an icon, only a cheap car. Here was named as Innocenti Koral, and they sold way less than a Panda (or a Fiat 127 etc)
I have relatives who live in central and northern Sweden, and they all own Panda’s (and have since around 1985). As you might imagine, those areas of Sweden get a lot of bad weather and snow most of the year, but the 4 wheel drive Pandas are loved by Swedes. Despite the reputation Italian cars have as being unreliable and poorly made, Pandas are tough cars. They’re also very easy to fix, most things you can do yourself. Gasoline is also extremely expensive in Europe (and more so in Sweden because of the high standard of living, and Pandas are great on gas. But the real talent of the Panda is what it can do off-road: they’re almost unstoppable.
Il fatto che Doug recensisca una Fiat Panda mostra la sua immensa passione per le auto curiose o che hanno definito un'epoca. Il fatto che Doug riesca a trasmettere così accuratamente i bisogni e le particolarità della cultura automobilistica italiana mostra la sua grande intelligenza umanistica. Grazie Doug!
Panda's were great cars. i've been in them a lot. but i gotta say, the one you reviewed was top of the line. the two tone interior, cloth dash, 4x4. you need to see how bareboned you could actually get these from the dealerships haha
My girlfriend and I visited Italy in 2002, and we took photos of the various badges of Pandas. There were so many versions! When we would show friends the pictures, they couldn't believe the number of variants! Glad to see Doug review this one.
Look for Moretti Panda Rock, Giannini Panda, Coriasco Panda Style on internet, those were Pandas assembled and sold by the couchbuilders by their own during the 90's
Al the econoboxes in Europe did the weird special editions back than. There's a Yahoo edition to the Renault Clio. There's also a very popular QuickSilver edition. Even these days, Renault sells a "Le Coq Sportif" edition of the Twingo.
It's also worth highlighting that it's 4x4 capabilities in the snow are almost legendary! There are loads of videos about it on here in fact. When I was a kid in the 90s Range Rovers, MBs, or BMWs got stuck but the Panda just overtook them and kept going. If you were an avid skier in Italy, Austria or Switzerland (Alps) very often you had one of these, not only did they get you to the top you also had no problem parking them there. In fact many do today as the latest generation of Panda 4x4 is still very good in the snow. It was and still is an incredible little machine!
too bad the new panda cross is awful looking, but 2012 panda is def car with best visibility of any modern car, back windows are superb, I'm eager to see the next gen panda, it would be shame if they stopped making 4x4 ones
True. I drove personally on 5 inches of fresh snow with ice beneath on a mountain road in early morning: smooth and safe. That motor is shit, but the car climbs amazingly. You could park so easily in 10 inches of fresh snow.
@@miskatonic6210 absolutely not! Even in winter the motor fries: in five minutes you have your cockpit very hot, without pushing the outlet of hot air. No vent, temperature level selector very "low". In summer you would have overheating trouble.
Giorgetto Giuriano once said in an interview that, from all the cars he had designed, the Panda was his favourite and the one he was most proud of as a designer. And if we acknowlegde that design is not (only) about drawing athletic shapes or sports cars, but it's way more than that, it becomes easy to understand why he said so. Extra fun fact: the (current) 3rd generation Panda still is the best hit in sales in Italy today. It still has 4x4 versions which are famous to leave behind well-known big 4x4 (not even mentioning SUV and crossovers).
@@delf197810 convince fiat to rebadged them as Dodge Omni as they are into retro designs and ship them to U S. With high gas prices they would sell good
Here in Germany the Fiat Panda was also very famous. Here it was also the case that you either owned a Fiat Panda or knew someone who owned a Fiat Panda. About 15 years ago I bought a Fiat Panda as a winter car for €100 and the car got me through five months of bad weather without any problems. A very reliable, very cheap and economical vehicle.
Good on you, Doug, for knowing how iconic this car was in Italy. Most people would see this and not think twice about it, but in Italy it was a very different story (as you noted). We had a family friend who was Italian-American and raved about these. Personally, I think there's some beauty with the simplicity of this car.
Hi! I'm from Italy and I can tell you that it's true, every Italian in the late 80's and 90's had a Panda or knew someone who owned a Panda. The 4x4 was the preferred vehicle for sheepherders, farmers and landowners, because it was so simple and cheap that litteraly nothing could break, so it was the perfect working horse. It was low in fuel consumption and the 4x4 system was really basic, no differential, all wheels spin at the exact same speed, so you are not allowed to pass 50 km/h in 4x4 or you will destroy everything! If you came to Italy, you would be surprised by how many original Pandas are still alive and well, after all these years!
@@mjngp Another very popular car in Italy, the Uno. It was the first car with the FIRE engine, if I'm not mistaken. FIRE stands for Fully Robotized Integrated Engine, long words for probably the smallest engine in the history of automaking. Still, a somewhat reliable engine, that didn't need a lot of maintenance. But in later years, the Uno Turbo IE was a true monster. The Uno Turbo, the Peugeot 205 GTI, the Renault 5 GT, in Italy we call these cars "coffins on wheels", because they had such a poweful engine wrapped in a tiny, lightweight car, with little or no safety features. No ABS, no airbags, no ESP, traction control, nothing.
Years ago I went to Andorra which is a tiny country in the middle of the Pyrenees between Spain and France. Since the country is very mountanous, roads are twisty and it snows frequently. There I found out that the most popular car was the Panda 4x4 for obvious reasons. Their off road capabilities are quite good and probably would put to shame any modern SUV.
And we had the Punto, the Tempra, the Tipo, the Seicento. Not to mention some cars from Lancia, like the Delta. Back then we lived a very special part of italian history. ( No, we don't talk about the Duna )
@@Theshadowpoison I personally know a person, a dear friend of mine, who still owns and drive a Duna in immaculate conditions, after almost 40 years. It's camp. It's a car too bad that is actually good!
This is why primarily I love this channel, it's not just about high performance and luxury fancy cars. It's about all cars, new and old model, cheap, expensive, bad and great (oh, and often very weird).
As an Italian it's so fun to see you reviewing my family's cars. My mum had a Multipla and my grandpa had a Panda 4x4 when I was a child, and I loved seeing them on your channel
I would love to see Doug review a first-gen Renault Twingo. Somewhat similar to the Panda, has lots of cool space-optimizing features like a back seat that can be moved towards or backwards. Cute styling and unusual interior design too. (That being said, I don't know if anybody has imported one to North America - they're old enough by now, but this isn't exactly an RS3 or other cool enthusiast car.)
If I recall, I saw that there was a Craigslist add for a green one about a year or two ago in Texas (of all places), so at least one person brought one over
The best thing is that it's probably about the same size as the panda but you could fold the seats in a way so they would make a bed for actual grown adults. Also the folding roof...
Not similar. It was "just" a cute-looking regular car. The sliding backseat was introduced in the Mazda 121 (Ford Festiva) in 1988, already. Also was the Canvas-Top. But I still agree, a Twingo would be a nice feature.
As a kid, there were a few cars I wanted once I grew up: the Testarossa, the F40, the Countach, Alfa 155, Lancia Delta Integrale, Lotus Esprit... and the Panda 4x4. Those are still some of my dream cars.
Both the Fiat Panda and Seat Marbella were a common sight in Germany. And today? Fiat Panda: Not very often, but not that rare Seat Marbella: Extremely rare
The 4x4 with winter tires is hands down the best car on snow you will ever see and they are hard to find in mountain areas in Europe. It is fun to see them passing 100K German SUVs that are stuck on the roads
@@227conejo Many modern SUV has 4wd systems that arent any better for grip than this, regardless of tires. It is open diffs galore. The only thing saving them a bit is their traction control system, but it is often not calibrated very well for terrain driving, depending on model of SUV. Secondly, look at the ground clearance for many of them, this little car has oodles more than most of them.
As a Panda owner myself, I waited for this review for years!! This car has been in the lives of tens of millions of people in Italy and believe me when I say there are places this car can go and a Defender or a G class won't, I've seen it with my eyes
@@duncansmeraldi6192 I know. I actually own the 2nd gen Panda which is closer to a normal car in shape and chassis, but it's still kinda dangerous. But I have some friends who still have the original Panda, two of them regularly use them and one of the two is the legendary 4x4. At least it's so slow that you will rarely put yourself in serious danger. (I mean, I often see old dudes driving it at 120km/h (75mph) on the highway, but that's not really where it belongs). But there are thousands of beautiful old towns in Europe with narrow roads where these things are the only 4-wheel veichles that you will see, and that's their natural habitat. Also as I mentioned it can become an impressive offroader, and if you spend as little as 2000/3000€ on mods I'm 100% serious that it outperforms a Defender or a G-class in most situations.
Places like an American style Italian hood that looks like Brooklyn or Bronx? What they be making a hood style pizza with pineapple? Sorry if this offends you especially pineapple on a pizza but I find this funny 🤣
not the same plataform. 2010 Uno MK2 shares plataform with New Panda. Classic Panda was smaller than Uno and never shared plataform. For european terms MK1 Uno was a compact (B Segment) and Panda a city-car (A Segment)
The Fiat Panda and the Fiat Uno were totally different platforms, the Uno was more advanced and actually quite a revoluctionary car for the era. The Fiat Panda platform was used on the Seat Marbella and the ID Capsula concept.
Wasn't the Brazilian Fiat Uno based on the Italian Fiat Uno platform as well? They maybe shared the Fire engine, that was developed back in the 70s and it still is built with some tweaks, in fact the new Firefly engines are their evolution
This was my first car. The side vents are directly connected to outside, I remember learning to drive in a Fiesta or a Micra, and then getting into this, and wondering why my face was getting wet when it rained. Turned out it was the side vents. My car had 1 singular vertical interior vent to heat the cabin.
Probabiy was an 80s version, the one tested by Doug was one of the latest models. I remember a first serie Panda 30 with vertical vent and seats 1 cm thick... When you suddenly stop you can hear the fuel moving into fuel tank.
@@gglivetv It's the same, my father has one from 2003. side vents only purpose is to bring fresh air from outside. When it's not too hot, like in spring, it's really nice, becuase you get fresh air without opening the windows, so if it's raining (water doesn't get through usually, OP's car maybe had the seal broken) you keep the rain out of the car.
Ahhhh my first car. Drove it for 9 years. That's why I use this nickname :D. Mine was 2002 without 4x4 but with same engine. Never got cold on winters and on summer what venting did the job ok but far from perfect. I climbed on snowy mountains with only winter tires without issues. On highways it could achieve easily 160km/h (top speed) but I kept it at 120. I will never forget when I followed offroad Micubushi Payero with 2 friends inside without any problems. Always had wired parking spot on busy beaches. Engine failure at 450.000km on odometer separated us so I had to scrap it :(.
Here in Spain we had both this and the seat panda, exactly the same car, the 4x4 versions are really capable off roaders and rally cars, even today, there's still a lot of them in northern/rural areas,heck, Carlos Sainz started his career with one
My family got TWO of them: Panda30 Sept.1980 and Panda 750cc June 1988. I can only say that it reminds me about my childhood in the late ‘80 when we were basic but happy and with bright expectations from the future, everybody even the poorer italian ate well, owned a house and enjoyed a 5 weeks holiday from work. Nowadays we all have the latest iphone and we drive Audis but we are all stressed and smile-lacking.
Please take off your rose tinted glasses. I love the 80ies because I was a teenager back then, but we had 3 TV programs, no internet, no mobile phones and generally everybody was poorer than today. I would never want to go back!
Absolutely NOT true. In Italy GDP per capita was much higher in the ‘80s compared to now. And we all were working much less. Social benefits were high and none was complaining about the lack of jobs or the poor salary back then. Numbers are here in support: in the last 30 years almost 6 MILLIONS Italians expatriate, in the ‘80s none was expatriating. Nowadays unemployment is almost 20% of entire population and we have 4 millions living under poverty rate. Also, nowadays none is making kids as none have the economical power to mantain them, public schools and health care are struggling…. Need more?
@@fedegiova In 1980, the Italian GDP per capita was $8546, in 2019 it was $33566. Let's not talk about all the strikes, the political instability, terrorism and the Mafia of this time. Or how low the standard of living really was. Sure, everything was better back then! 🙄 Perhaps you were young back then? A lot of people make the mistake to look back with rose tinted glasses. Sure, 1980 was fun if you were 18. It also was exciting if you were 12. But let's facts be facts, please.
I'm really glad Doug appreciates everything this iconic car is. You could actually get them with some "luxuries" like A/C, power windows, power locks, electronic headlight adjustment on later models, oh and an interesting quirk, the panda 1.1 actually uses the same coils as an Lamborghini Diablo 😅
Should it really matter if it uses the same coils as a Lambo? I don’t think so really. Speaking of fiat, or Stellantis, I find Alfa V6 using a Ferrari engine more interesting really
@@drippgxd Nobody questioned whether it matters or not. It was clearly a fun fact/tidbit of information for those who didn't know like myself. Nobody asked for your opinion, yet here you are stating it...
The panda was also one of the first cars produced in a (small) series also fully electric (Elettra) in 1990. Of this first generation, in addition to the 4x4 (manual only), 2wd was also produced with automatic transmission (CVT) and even diesel. The very first versions had rear seats that could become a sort of hammock ... Thanks Doug for the review !!!
The Panda Young was the cheapest trim level on the catalog. It was intended for novice drivers or young people that wanted just a vehicle to move around. Other cheap models of the Fiat catalog from that era had the Young trim level too.
This March I went to Italy to ski. There were two of those parking every single day in front of my window. In a tiny kind of village where there was just a shop, a few apartment buildings and the ski lift boarding station. And there were more of these anywhere you went around. And dozens of their successors - the modern second and third generation Pandas too. I love them all
Doug, you forgot to mention that the 4×4 in particular is one of the best off-road vehicles ever made. You can see videos of this small car towing away bigger SUVs stuck in snow or mud! This car is a legend. I am Italian, and it's part of our culture. When I was young, I always disliked it, but nowadays, even if it's ugly, I started to appreciate it. In fact, I just bought a Panda MK1 today.
Fun facts about the Panda: the prototypes were burned by the Fiat employees because the Fiat managers wanted to build one in the south rather than the nord; the original one was presented in front of Italy’s then President Sandro Pertini; when they chose Giorgetto Giugiaro they told him the wanted a “huge small car” and that it had to be EXTREMELY SIMPLE in order to make sure that factory workers wouldn’t sabotage the cars, since there were many many political fights and strikes between the employees and the managers and sabotages were a daily occurrence…
Just a little remark, every time Doug says an icon in Italy, you see it in Italy etc etc. read Italy as Europe. This car is an Italian European icon. We love this this little thing. Not Many years ago I had to drop my modern Audi in the middle of nowhere car shop due to a faulty spark plug during a long weekend out. It was closed and he couldn’t work on the car immediately so he very humbly asked if I wouldn’t mind to take his loaner if I wanted to still enjoy my weekend. It was a freaken panda 4x4. I was just like yoo I don’t even know if I gonna bring it back. Gimme panda to me. Fuck AC. I had a lot of fun.
Interesting quirk: some models had seats that folded down to make the whole interior space a full sized bed, you can imagine what was the target for that
@@anujeetroy9715 yeeeees, specially if you consider that the panda was every young person’s first car, that italians live with their parents till late, and that we all love a good camporella
The intermittent drilling sound in the background drove me crazy! I had this on in the background trying to sleep and I thought I was hearing myself snore while I was still awake!
Glad you managed to review a Panda! Two quick notes: those two vents on each side of the dashboard are not defoggers. They are connected directly to those two grill outside of the car, under the windshield, and they sorta act like an air conditioner. Basically if you take them off you are left with two holes in the body of the car. The defoggers are those slits between them. And under the spare tire there's also a crank style car jack which slots in that square shaped hole under the frame in the middle of the car.
I like these vids the best too. I mean yes the super cars, quirky concept cars, and high dollar luxury vehicles are fun and interesting, but most people don't drive those and never will. Most people have driven the "every" car, and some of yesterday's every-car have become nostalgic curiosities in automotive history that bring back a lot of fond, and sometimes not so fond memories with people and show how far performance and comfort have come over the years and what ideas have failed, succeeded, or were just too ahead of their time.
I'm a 21 years old italian and i recently bought a 1988 fiat panda 4x4 and i absolutely love it, it's the italian dream car, it's like a little tank, you can go everywhere with this and never break it, italians use it on mountains, in countryside, in city. Every kid of this generation has some older relative with a panda and everyone dreams of a panda. After 21 years i now have the opportunity to love it more as i already loved it. I am always amazed of how is the smallest on the outside but on the inside there's more space than in my father's land rover Freelander
The early seats were even more "primitive", they were basically some like garden chairs. My brother in law had one of the early version, and whenever we went on the freeway. And going around 100 kmh, you could see the bonnet and fenders "flapping" in the wind. Scared the crap out of me, but he thought (and still does) it's the best car ever
If he had that one with 4x4 than he probably had a best car product ever. My one is like this in dougs rewiew. Still greatest car butt that hammock seats were best.
I’m Italian, I know many people who either have or have had one of these and it’s so cool to see you review this car. I’ve been following you for quite a long time now and I’ve been wondering if one day this review would come, and it did! Thank you, this is amazing.
I honestly love cars like this. Breaking the norm of regular automobiles. I wouldn't mind seeing more tours of cars like this. Doug's a good reviewer and I really enjoyed his walkthough on this.
I had a 1987 Panda 4x4 in 1997 my first car. I serviced it myself, replaced the sunroof from a scrapyard myself. The rear wiper was squeaking like mad in pouring rain once then it stopped, it had fallen off. When it snowed it was awesome, went past nearly every car no problem. I’m in the UK .
Wow as an Italian I'm so happy to see the Panda here! My parents had one, very much less "luxurious" than the Country Club, that already had a lot of features. And btw, the Panda 4x4 can give a run for its money to range rovers in mountain roads and off road paths, they were actually used by Italian police to chase smugglers in the Italian Alps!
It has to be said that Fiat still has a model called Panda in the lineup. Panda is now a conventional city car, except that it still has a 4x4 version, and it's shockingly capable off road.
My 1st car was a Panda...a 1000CL In Germany we called it "tolle Kiste" which roughly translates to "great box" (super duper box). It had 45 furious horses and was a blast to drive 27 years ago
Thank you for bringing some of italian semplicity in the world! Every italian as either owened a Panda or has a relative/friend with a Panda. Personally is the first car i ever drove, and my uncle used a 20 years old Panda to transport building materials for his house, and it never had a major problem
I remember in the UK driving my friends Panda 1000CL in black back in the 90's, they were a really wealthy family, and a Panda was not seen as the poor persons choice - it had universal appeal, something lacking these days. Great car to drive in its pure simplicity.
I remember in the same period or at least in the 80s middle class families would have 2cv as the second car. As for the Golf comment, the Golf was often seen as a little ostentatious for a second shopping car.
Good Morning Doug, wonderful review.The panda 4x4 gen one had a proper rear differential, steyer Puch in Austria did the work and they cost almost double the price of the two wheel drive version. We would see them in St Moritz in the 80’s.Many of the locals had them.It’s a very capable car in the snow and hills.Sure they were rust prone but a few are still around, their mechanicals are tough. Even today the later generations of 4x4 pandas are popular in the Swiss and Italian ski resorts. Thank you for the video, it brought back warm memories
The first version by Giugiaro was even simpler, but cleverer: There was a fabric pocket on pax side and the possibility to fold the seat and the bench to sleep in the car... amazing
It is funny to see Doug constantly talking about the Panda’s simplicity, while in South America we only got its little brother, the Fiat Uno, that is even simpler!
@@gglivetv I had no idea about that! In Brazil, the Unos were made either locally or in Argentina, and were among the cheapest cars available from the mid 80s until 2010s. At least there were several special versions with a bit more quality and performance, such as the Uno 1.6R and the Uno Turbo (first turbocharged car in Brazil). Nowadays, people in Brazil and Argentina are making insane builds with these cars due to the availability of cheap parts.
In France, there was another special edition of the Panda 4x4, which was called "Var d'Isère". Off-road capabilities of this little car was rather surprising, I remember seeing one climbing a small, steep, rock-filled path in the mountains.
My first car in 1998, in the UK. Same colour with a roof rack and a bull bar. Was just front wheel drive though. Brilliant car. Unfortunately I wrote it off pulling the handbrake in the rain. The standard models did have rear, and front badges. Fiat coupe 20VT review soon please Doug.
As a young American visiting Italy the first time, I'll never forget seeing one of these in a hill town, and being impressed with the fact it was a 4x4.
I once was to Mt. Vesuvius, and there was old Panda 4x4, going up rocky path between tourists delivering supplies to the caffe on the summit. No other car could go path that narrow or do less damage to landscape. As of part that everyone had a Panda or new somebody who had one: My friend had a Panda as first car. His exhaust has fallen off (he hot a pothole while transporting 8 people in a Panda), so middle of exhaust pipe was dragging along the road. Because of that he could not reverse, as car would get stuck. His solution was to lift the car, move it around, so he can turn the car around. He did it for 3 weeks, because he was so lazy not to get peace of wire and tie it up. Lazy to tie it up, but not to lift the car to turn it around. That is how light Panda is.
Cheap and practical and you are driving the most luxurious version. I've started to drive with an 1986 Panda 750 S (who as badges on the rear). The S version is most similar to the one you have except for the EFi engine and the inclinometer. But came out with a stereo and a clock. The C and CL versions of the same year have 4 speeds instead of five, no door glovebox and trims (bare metal) no stereo, no clock, no front ashtray. The PANDA is a status symbol
Thank you for finally reviewing the Panda! It was my first car and it was really fun to start with. Super reliable. Only negative side effect is that these Pandas were very rusty. My car needed a totally new exhaust line and some other welding and panels in order to stay legal for the road (even though it was produced in 2003, the last year of its production). Because of its simplicity, I could mess around with installing electronics like custom LED strips under the 'dashboard', charging ports, and a 1300W subwoofer in the back. I even changed the dashboard ligthing itself into a LED strip that was configured with an Arduino to display any color I wanted! So cool to be able to do that. I had it in 2017/18. Even in freezing temperatures, the little engine had never trouble starting. Once I had 6 people in the car on a night out. It was really tight and because of the weight, it had trouble accelerating😂😂 All in all a super fun car which shows that simplicity is sometimes a good thing!
They are very reliable, despite their reputation, & if the timing belt snaps, no problem, change it at the side of the road (only need 3 sockets) & 15 minutes later, you can carry on! The worst thing was the doors, the drain holes weren't at the bottom, so the water would sit & rust the door bottoms out (& after 3 facelifts, they still didn't bother sorting that issue out!).
Born and lived all my life in Italy here. With my friends and family we say that the Panda is THE car. We've had a few in my family and it's the ultimate city car. And they are now actually going up in value and which actually makes me happy because just now people are realizing what a true masterpiece it is. Glad you gave it some attention
Born and lived all my life in America here. With my friends and family we say that the Ford Super duty F450 platinum with power stroke is THE car. We’ve had a few in my dads ranch in Upper Peninsula Michigan and it’s the ultimate pickup truck. And my family are now actually going up in value because my father is a rich guy and he bought a brand new 2020 F450 platinum with $100k. He does horse racing for a living, and he wins all the time, so my dad gets paid like $50K for winning the UP (Upper peninsula) horse battle once every year. And he went to Kentucky with the F450 with the horse trailer in the back for the Kentucky Derby. There, his horse is the best in that competition, and he won. If my dad increases his life value to $10M+ then he’ll buy land in Texas and build the best ranch in the state. I mean UP Michigan is like countryside, not the LP doods where this trash city called Detroit is.
I'm Italian. Here we have respect for this car. We've all seen in the mountain roads doing things that a Renge Rover can't do. Where off-road vehicles stop she goes on.
I am italian and my beloved Granpa got a Panda 4x4 Sisley (special 4x4 version). He took me along with him in countless off road mountain adventures with that and he really loved it. Eventually in the early '2000s he changed it for a Suzuki Jimny but never stop loving it. Those are really nice memories i have with him.
The OG panda is like IKEA furniture, it's cheap and basic but incredibly well designed to do exactly what it sets out to do. You have to admire how good it is at what it's made for.
The early fwd version of the Panda were even simpler and more spartan that this ‘luxurious’ 4x4. The 4x4 system was developed by Steyr-Puch an Austrian company (which is Magna today). My best buddy got rear-ended in an early Panda - a miracle he survived the crash.
Ironically, the Fiat Panda 4x4 from the first generation may have been among the first "crossover" all-wheel drive vehicle for the masses, along with the Lada Niva.
As an italian, i have to add an essential piece of information. The panda is equipped with the mist efficient safety devices, such as the cross hanged on the mirror, which prevents incidents that would otherwise be deadly.
There was an electric version of this in the late 80's. It had only two seats and the back seats were replaced by 600 kg of batteries. It had four speeds and a complete clutch! Max. speed was like 70 km/h and range was like zero. The the battery changement was two expensive so the almost new car was finally wrecked.
@@gglivetvYes, they were awful, as awful as electric "cars" still are! I think they built over 1000 pieces and together with the Citroen Saxo were the most built electric cars after WW II. In Switzerland they were sold under the brand of "Larel". 600 kg of lead-acid batteries for a range of 30-60 km!
@@jurivlk5433 Given that the Model 3 Long Range gets around 500 km of range on 480 kg of batteries - it's fair to say that EVs have gotten quite far since then!
@@jurivlk5433 Owner of a Larel here. It's more like 280kg of batteries (14 x 12V 80Ah AGM batteries), which only leaves about 200kg of legal load capacity including occupants. To my understanding, the Larel came before the officiel Elettra sold by Fiat. The larel is more a kind of prototype. The Elettra is way better finished!
Fun fact: the Panda 4x4 is THE national car of Andorra, the mountainous mini state in Europe. Poor, rich or government official, they all drive the Panda 4x4
Being a Belgian guy and especially being a kid at the time it came out and a youg adult when they still sold it, it was one of my all favourit cars. I was never the typical guy that wanted a fat sportscar. I was and still am the guy that loves small, practical and most important of all, quirky cars. I loved the Panda just as I loved the Lada 2107, the Skoda 1300, The Fiat Uno, the Suzuki Alto and Swift. I even very much loved the Fiat 127 but that was too small for me. To bad you didn't have the opportunity to test drive the Panda Selecta with a variomatic transmission.
One thing that bugged me as a 5-8 year old living in Europe… the “one reverse and one fog light” setup. As a kid, I didn’t know the red was a fog light, I just thought… hey, as long as people see the white one while they are backing up, it’s all we as pedestrians need lol.
@@hansmeyer7225 no , was never imported in italy. most common "mountain cars" here are the panda, the suzuki jimmy. There were the old mitsubishi pajero 3 door, Dahiatsu terios 3 door , old renault megane 4x4... Basically all really small cars that have great offroad capability. in italy there are places you can't reach with a jeep or Land Rover beacause they're too big (most moutain trails are really narrow). Theese cars will do for cheaper and wasting less fuel.
@@hansmeyer7225 my great uncle had a 1st gen but there weren't many. The 2nd gen (a rebadged Swift) was slightly more popular but nothing like the Panda.
One thing I love about this design is that the side mirrors are attached on springs (at least one the ones ive seen). If you're going through tight Italian streets, you're inevitably going to hit something, and I love that the mirrors will just pop back out afterwards. I suspect that this is also the reason for the weird doorhandle, as any "normal" doorhandle would increase the width of the car
My first car when I was a student. An older model even more basic than this one. So smart, very reliable and you can customize or fix it with a simple screwdriver... I miss it!
Same here. I really underappreciated that car because of its suspension (or lack thereof), abysmal gear shift and lack of stability at 'high' speed. But in hindsight I realize it was a good little car that masterfully did the job it was designed for.
My biggest pet peeve about new cars is the lack of visibility. Old cars had tiny pillars which made it feel so open like you could see everything around you. I'd give up airbags and safety features to gain visibility any day. 20:25
Wow, my mom used to have one in 97...you review a panda with some optional, my mom's panda had no clock, speakers and even the passenger' s mirror....Ohh good old days...
Yesss, finally the car I wanted you to cover. This is indeed our most iconic car, everyone loves it, everyone wanted one at one point in their life hahah thanks Doug
Thank You for your review of one of my old family cars! As an italian, and an italian car fan I think this was a very accurate and passionate one! You made me relive those years.. Grazie Mille! Also, it is so cool that you drove it in LA! That you guys know and appreciate it!
Yes! This was the first car I drove (well, the Spanish version, Seat Marbella, basically same but rebadged, and not the 4x4). Awesome little machine, great visibility and the easiest parking ever. And it even was good on gravel roads and such. It will forever be in my heart 🤗 P.S. I actually didn't have mirror handles. There was nothing. If you wanted to adjust the mirror you had to roll down the window and grab the mirror and adjust it by hand.
Doug, I'm stunned that you missed the screwdriver that is integrated into the washer bottle. The washer bottle-toolbox combo is to my knowledge unique in the car world. ;)
I've never seen a Panda in person. Watching Doug's review, I saw the windshield washer bottle and thought "that looks like a screwdriver 🪛 on the left side". Yup! FYI, with respect to automobiles, left & right are from the driver's perspective, sitting in the driver's seat, looking forward through the windshield as he/she would be doing while driving normally.
The ash Trey not only slides, it also detaches and could be attached in the headrests of the seats for the passengers. The Panda is my first car and when me and my friends go somewhere we always argue for the ash trey
That's _the_ italian iconic car. Not only it's everything Doug described but it also got the reputation of being an indestructible legend of a car that drives where other cars won't drive, on any terrain and condition. Nice used 4x4 Pandas are shooting up in value since people want them to this day and they still get national press or celebrities driving them (and praising them).
and we should also talk about the Steyr-Puch 4x4 system...
Those 4x4s are still used in some vin yards as they can get between the vines unlike a tractor.
@@fukuoka33 that's Because seat was part of Fiat
I visited mount vesuvius earlier this year, and these were the only cars being used to drive up the volcano. So so good
@@nickjacobs1770 also is impossible to replace with anything because the Panda is actually huge you can fit with working boots even if you are tall. my first car was a Panda that took me way to long to replace because im 1.96 (6/4 i think in American) and cars that i could fit where out of my price range or not really an upgrade.
Doug, you missed the most important feature for the Italian young couples: the reclining seats. They are so fast to use, and after reclining your have all the space you need for recreational purpose. Who knows how many were conceived inside a panda!
Seems ironic, considering how hard it is for panda bears to conceive...
The front seat plus back seat to a little bed
well, he is an american so he only uses a car to eat in, not to make love in.
I can testify to this, my girlfriend's parents had a Fiat Panda 😉
*procreactional purpose
As a European, seeing Doug appreciate these European mini cars is so cool to see. And these Pandas are getting more and more desirable, even for me!
Yes "Uncomfortable" sums up appreciation.
I'm Spanish. Back in the 1990's my aunt had a 1985 Panda, with body panels in that horrible kind of dirty ivory paint that was so popular at the time. I remember every time the speedometer hit 100 km/h the steering wheel would start shaking loudly. At 120 km/h _the whole car_ would start shaking. Fun times...
Hopefully we get more small European cars, the 2CV and original Twingo are on my wishlist.
We had idiotic cocoon-styled ford interiors, so, for us european cars were fair
And this isn't even the basic version, this is the luxury one..
Thank you, Doug. You took me down memory lane. As a German, we take cars way too seriously, I still miss my Panda Selecta (automatic). The gearbox was the same size of the engine. It was like a aquarium set on a auto scooter. The repairs were so wonderfully easy and cheap. I took it on so many adventures and it never betrayed me. And it is a little sad that you did not drive that Panda 4x4 offroad because it is just a little mountain goat.
Couldn’t agree with you more.
@@gianluca777 stavo per scrivere la stessa cosa. e intanto 3,7 su 10 è il voto finale! fun fuctor 3... styling 4 practical 4... mah questo più che dagmuro a me semvra dag mulo!
@@co6mo 🤣🤣🤣
Another interesting quirk Doug missed: to minimise costs and complexity during production the front and rear side windows are not curved, they actually are a flat surface so that the same piece of glass could be fitted both on the left and right side.
I understand the flat windscreen was actually more expensive to make than a curved one, but a flat screen better suited the ethos of the car so they actually opted for the more costly option. Design won out!
Also, the windows on the passenger side are just reversed driver side windows. The logo on the passenger side is just reversed.
I’m late to this video and was going to mention that.
@@stephenshepherd8740 worse yet the version my dad had - the windshield was tempered but not laminated (late 80s model?) and when a large oncoming vehicle passed him the entire windshield disintegrated and blew in on him. I dont know if they ever went to a laminated version (its a legal requirement in the US)
From what I can tell, isn’t that true for all American cars, compared to cars from other parts of the world? It bothered me so much when I went to the US - that all the side view mirrors are almost flat or at least close to flat! I assume not to save costs though, but probably because of some stupid laws that say that the mirror shouldn’t distort the actual image. This is the reason why I really hate driving in the US.
Italian here: the Panda is so italian and so familiar to us that seeing it in USA reviewed by Doug is really weird.
Feels like when you see suddenly your best friend on national TV.
By the way the 4x4 is not a regular Panda, it's a badass off road car
@@karlk.6819 Non piangere dai
@@karlk.6819 tiene il passo con le miglior off-roader la fuori, scusa se è poco
@@karlk.6819 ha capacità off road notevoli infatti è usatissima nelle zone di montagna e non solo.
Sul fatto che sia scomoda… è ragionevolmente comoda e non è una bentley te ne sei accorto si?
@@karlk.6819 Dillo senza piangere fratè
@@buioso una Honda logo è una Bentley in confront a questa. Ma elogiare la merda come questa panda èmolto Italian style quindi nn discuto pltre
Here's my Fiat Panda story: When skiing in Italy in the early 2000s there were a lot of banner adds on the ski lifts for Audis A4 quattro offroad. The cars were pictured on driving on slopes, drifting through snow, going over frozen lakes, climbing up hills. The Audi A4 quattro offroad surely is the car for the mountains, at least thats what Audi wanted us to believe.
Skiing down I saw some workers fixing the poles & netting on the edge of the slope. Parked behind them: a Panda 4x4.
Yes, but audi sponsored the ski world Cup. Locals need something reliable, practical and affordable..
Before Pandas you could had seen a lot of Autobianchi A112 or Fiat 127, but the 4x4 traction of the panda was a great step ahead. Low weight and small tyres drove great on snow
In the late 90's/early2000s my family had a B5 Passat 4-motion, on the mountain we got stuck alongside some friends of us (with an Audi 100 V8 if I remember correcly), just to witness a Fiat Panda 4x4 overtaking with ease our cars that in the meantime completly sunk in the snow.
Good story. Well delivered. 👍
@@adrianzanoli There is a popular video where you can see a Range rover stuck in a snowy hairpin and then a Panda 4x4 arrives and passes like the road was clear of any snow or ice
True... way better off-road and snow from X5 value car competition.
My family lives in the mountains of Tuscany, and the 4x4 Panda can go anywhere on those narrow, steep dirt and gravel "roads." It is one of the few cars that is narrow enough to make it all the way up to the top of the town where my family comes from. It is perfectly suited to the terrain.
Correct!
one of the biggest upside on the Panda was on non 4x4 cars, the rear "seats" would fold into the boot creating basically a queen size bed, if you're 20 something that means a lot
Just live inside your panda!!
@@h.s.5995 not live but nice for late evenings....listen to me bro!
you also could fold the backseat into a hamock for the kids to sleep in
@@kowalski2015 italians always be prepared 😉😉😉
@@kowalski2015 advertisements at the time were quite explicit!
Fun fact: La Panda 4x4 is an absolute beast off road! It can beat the vast majority of 4WDs (including the Japanese ones); hence its popularity among hunters and farmers in Italy. Can you please try it out on dirt roads Doug?
Greetings from Italy!!!
In famiglia la 30s del 1985 ci ha tirato avanti per 23 anni di onoratissimo servizio.
The panda 4x4 is almost a status symbol now 😂
The Panda is our Ford F150. It's still one of the cars that sells better in Italy, I've got one in my family (although ours is a 2010s model, after it was completely redesigned using modern standards, the original spirit is there though: it's still a spartan and spacious car).
Also, the Panda 4x4 was made for farmers, not because of "poor roads", as I said above, it's the Italian version of the Ford F150, the American farmers' car.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 MAKES SENSE...
Italian guy here! This car in particular has many optional: for example the fact that the passenger mirror is adjustable from the inside is an optional, the stereo system is an optional, the opening rear windows are an optional and the polarized rear mirror is also an optional. Also it's in fantastic shape and now these are becoming so rare, that one of this can cost at least as much as 9000/10000€.
As always fantastic video, keep it up👍
Oh cmon. They're selling for as low as 1000€ in Balkan countries
I'm Portuguese, in Portugal a good condition one goes for a lot, we have some fanatics of the Panda and some groups that love to mod them, they are called "the Pandameras" of the Porche Panamera
@@mesicek7 Yeah, the basic one. The cheapiest 4x4 in Belgium in good condition is about 8000€
Not sure how different our Seat Marbella was from the Fiat Panda, but our 1990s one didn't have a passenger mirror at all. Nor did it have any kind of radio/stereo. Also, our air vent was strictly singular. One vertical vent in the dash that could be tilted toward the driver or passenger, but def not both at once.... such decadence! It was definitely an interesting experience in summer...
@@mesicek7 They're slightly different versions (usually made in Poland), as the 126
The air vents Doug said was for defogging is just holes through the upper part of the firewall that allow cold air to be forced in while driving. Defogging is via the tiny slats in between.
Also the fabric part of the "dashboard" is just that, a cloth clamped under the windscreen. The lower part has a channel sewn into it where a plastic tube is inserted. When the tube is hung on their side mounted holders it creates the hollow part for the speakers and glove storage pit. The ashtray slides on the plastic tube inserted in the fabric.
Back seats could fold up against the back of the front seats, thus creating more storage on the fllor pan while acting as a safety stop for sliding cargo.
4X4-system is Austrian Steyr-Puch who made systems for among others Mercedes G-Wagon and the Pinzgauer military vehicles.
Not all 4X4 had the inclinometer cluster on top of the dash.
Yes, I owned a few of these wonderful small cars. Love them!
Doug has the power to make me want every car he reviews... especially these little ones. I'm only about an inch shorter than he is so some of them would be less practical but I love the little things that were made cheaply, that get good gas mileage, that are just cuuuuute!
Wish cars weren't so expensive now, if I had more money I'd try and import one.
Thanks for your comment, glad to see people like you contributing more interesting and useful information!
We had a version called the Sisley that had the pitch and roll gauges.
@@roysoutdoorlife Very cool variant, I had no extras in my cars.
@@svenwesterlund3405 simple is best!
I stayed with an Italian family for a few weeks back in 1998. Their second car was a FIAT Panda. We once took a rideout to San Gimignano to a winery to pick up the family’s wine. To my amazement my host brought a empty demijohn which holds about 10 or more gallons of wine when filled. We arrived opened the back hatch and the wine make had a filling pump and filled us up. The ride back was considerably slower due to the addition of 10 gallons of wine through the beautiful Tuscan hills. What a memory.
You guys have no idea what an absolute tank that car is.Just like Doug said, when people think what italian car is the most iconic for italians, what comes to mind is not a Ferrari, it's not a Fiat 500 but it's this car. I live in Italy in the Alps and around here that is a legendary vehicle to say the least, many people still use it beause in some conditions it's still the best thing you can have. I have overtaken so many fancy SUVs or more practical offroaders stuck in snow on the mountain roads with this car and also with the newer versions of the Panda. Obviously it has its downsides, for example if you had to go on the highway and you were brave enough to touch the 130kmh everything would start to vibrate and the best safety feature in the Panda were the prayers you could say while driving lol.
That part about the safety feature being your prayers is hilarious!
I drive a 2014 model and it did fine driving 130km/h for an hour
Just some additions: this '95 model is almost a top of the line version. Base models had fixed rear windows, no clock, no water temperature gauge (in place there was a big red light), no trip meter, no plastic vents for the windshield, no speakers, no car stereo.
Other engines were the primitive air-cooled 600 cc 2-cylinders, 899 cc OHV, various sizes FIRE engines (750, 1000 and 1100 cc). Sometime in the early nineties briefly existed a diesel version, i think it was a rough and slow 1400 cc natural aspirated.
Thanks for the info 👍🏼
an electric version was also made. and a 4x4 (4wd) model has always existed alongside all the othe revisions
It was a 1300cc Diesel iirc. Never knew these existed (they were never sold in Germany) and only found out some years ago through a video on TH-cam.
@@Timico1000 as an italian I've never seen a diesel panda here
Some were even 0.9 litres
"If you lived in Italy in that era, you either had a Panda, or knew someone who did" is an absolute truth: Pandas were omnipresent.
They weren't fit just for cities, but also for countrysides and all the small villages that dot the Italian landscape, with their absurdly narrow streets.
Thank you for reviewing this glorious piece of Italian car history.
They still are, both newer and older models. Almost every Italian has been in a fiat banda lol
@@simonemontagna7678 Fiat Banda? ROFL!
I wonder what was more omnipresent, the Panda (4 million made in 23 years) or the Uno (6 million made in 11 years in Italy alone).
Fun fact about the 4x4 version you reviewed:
It is said that the 4x4 version wasn't initially planned by FIAT managers, but Giovanni Agnelli (the big boss of the company) needed a car to go skiing in Sestriere, which needed to be compact and capable of driving in the snow.
Hence the 4x4 version was born
For the same reason there is a single example of the Lancia Delta Integrale Cabrio
Who cares how the Panda 4X4 came into being. It was a great idea then and it would be a great car to have now.
Urban myth, new models are massive investments and extensively planned, as a failure can crash the company... panda 4x4 was no different....
The 4x4 would go over good here in the U.S.
@@juliancrooks3031 the transmission was made by the same company who made the original G wagon transmission. Fiat just went to Austria and and ask them "I want the same but smaller".
Sadly it became quite rare and they go for quite a bit of money, especially if in good conditions. But if you want a very small and reliable 4x4 this is basically the only car of this category that exists, the modern panda 4x4 is also a quite capable little car, but it can't take as much abuse as the old version and its not as capable as of road, though you can find videos of it competing with a range Rover. It should be too hard to import one of these to the US
Being Italian, this is probably the first time i see on this channel a "normal" car to me that is something strange to see in the US. The Panda is the true Italian Icon just like the old 500... A car that never let's you down and that if it happens, with a few euros you fix. I've driven a lots of variants and is always fun to drive, and still you can meet lots of those on the roads as Doug said.
Just a little thing to add, the rear tailgate and the front grill are the "updated" ones, from 1991. The previous had also Fiat badges (front and rear) and the "Panda 4x4" logo was not sculpted on the body of the car but there was an emblem saying Panda 4x4 Steyr Puch wich was the factory who made the 4WD system
Don't forget that the Yugo at the bottom of Doug's list was actually based on a Fiat. However, it was a 1970s design and the Yugoslavians might not have put them together as as carefully.
@@MrDuncl Well, yes it was based on a Fiat but never began an icon, only a cheap car. Here was named as Innocenti Koral, and they sold way less than a Panda (or a Fiat 127 etc)
My uncles in Northern Italy still drives this.
I have relatives who live in central and northern Sweden, and they all own Panda’s (and have since around 1985). As you might imagine, those areas of Sweden get a lot of bad weather and snow most of the year, but the 4 wheel drive Pandas are loved by Swedes. Despite the reputation Italian cars have as being unreliable and poorly made, Pandas are tough cars. They’re also very easy to fix, most things you can do yourself. Gasoline is also extremely expensive in Europe (and more so in Sweden because of the high standard of living, and Pandas are great on gas. But the real talent of the Panda is what it can do off-road: they’re almost unstoppable.
I wouldn't say this kind of car is strange in the US. We had omnis.
Il fatto che Doug recensisca una Fiat Panda mostra la sua immensa passione per le auto curiose o che hanno definito un'epoca. Il fatto che Doug riesca a trasmettere così accuratamente i bisogni e le particolarità della cultura automobilistica italiana mostra la sua grande intelligenza umanistica. Grazie Doug!
Panda's were great cars. i've been in them a lot. but i gotta say, the one you reviewed was top of the line. the two tone interior, cloth dash, 4x4. you need to see how bareboned you could actually get these from the dealerships haha
My girlfriend and I visited Italy in 2002, and we took photos of the various badges of Pandas. There were so many versions! When we would show friends the pictures, they couldn't believe the number of variants! Glad to see Doug review this one.
Look for Moretti Panda Rock, Giannini Panda, Coriasco Panda Style on internet, those were Pandas assembled and sold by the couchbuilders by their own during the 90's
Not only Panda, but pretty much all econoboxes in Europe did that.
There's a Yahoo edition of the Renault Clio, for example.
Al the econoboxes in Europe did the weird special editions back than.
There's a Yahoo edition to the Renault Clio. There's also a very popular QuickSilver edition.
Even these days, Renault sells a "Le Coq Sportif" edition of the Twingo.
Mine was a red “Young”
It's also worth highlighting that it's 4x4 capabilities in the snow are almost legendary!
There are loads of videos about it on here in fact. When I was a kid in the 90s Range Rovers, MBs, or BMWs got stuck but the Panda just overtook them and kept going. If you were an avid skier in Italy, Austria or Switzerland (Alps) very often you had one of these, not only did they get you to the top you also had no problem parking them there.
In fact many do today as the latest generation of Panda 4x4 is still very good in the snow. It was and still is an incredible little machine!
Brilliant little 4x4 machine!
too bad the new panda cross is awful looking, but 2012 panda is def car with best visibility of any modern car, back windows are superb, I'm eager to see the next gen panda, it would be shame if they stopped making 4x4 ones
True. I drove personally on 5 inches of fresh snow with ice beneath on a mountain road in early morning: smooth and safe. That motor is shit, but the car climbs amazingly. You could park so easily in 10 inches of fresh snow.
Nice. So the car got through the snow, but during that you froze to death.
@@miskatonic6210 absolutely not! Even in winter the motor fries: in five minutes you have your cockpit very hot, without pushing the outlet of hot air. No vent, temperature level selector very "low".
In summer you would have overheating trouble.
Giorgetto Giuriano once said in an interview that, from all the cars he had designed, the Panda was his favourite and the one he was most proud of as a designer. And if we acknowlegde that design is not (only) about drawing athletic shapes or sports cars, but it's way more than that, it becomes easy to understand why he said so.
Extra fun fact: the (current) 3rd generation Panda still is the best hit in sales in Italy today. It still has 4x4 versions which are famous to leave behind well-known big 4x4 (not even mentioning SUV and crossovers).
And honestly, in most Italian Cities, villages and especially mountain villages, the current 4x4 Panda is the only car that is really usable.
that "drawing athletic shapes" is actualy styling. Nothing with design.
And he is the one who designed the delorean
You won't believe how capable these cars are off-road
I want one, a cheap economical vehicle that is easy to maintain 👍👍👍
@@juliancrooks3031 Literally, it can go anywhere. Simple, easy to drive, cheap to maintain and... no exaggeration..the 4x4 version could go anywhere.
@@delf197810 convince fiat to rebadged them as Dodge Omni as they are into retro designs and ship them to U S. With high gas prices they would sell good
Here in Germany the Fiat Panda was also very famous. Here it was also the case that you either owned a Fiat Panda or knew someone who owned a Fiat Panda. About 15 years ago I bought a Fiat Panda as a winter car for €100 and the car got me through five months of bad weather without any problems. A very reliable, very cheap and economical vehicle.
it was my first car
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Good on you, Doug, for knowing how iconic this car was in Italy. Most people would see this and not think twice about it, but in Italy it was a very different story (as you noted). We had a family friend who was Italian-American and raved about these. Personally, I think there's some beauty with the simplicity of this car.
In Spain we had them everywhere too (via SEAT). This and the Ritmo, which you could see at local rally races too.
@@danielr.y5261
Princess May of the Geared Top had one too.
In Germany Fiat Panda are everywhere, even today, many of my Friends first Car was a Fiat Panda and these Cars never made Issues either
You can still pick these up for under $200 in europe
@@flynick no way you could find one for that price. A used 4x4 can go as much as €8000, normal running ones are around couple of thousands euros.
Hi! I'm from Italy and I can tell you that it's true, every Italian in the late 80's and 90's had a Panda or knew someone who owned a Panda. The 4x4 was the preferred vehicle for sheepherders, farmers and landowners, because it was so simple and cheap that litteraly nothing could break, so it was the perfect working horse. It was low in fuel consumption and the 4x4 system was really basic, no differential, all wheels spin at the exact same speed, so you are not allowed to pass 50 km/h in 4x4 or you will destroy everything! If you came to Italy, you would be surprised by how many original Pandas are still alive and well, after all these years!
@@mjngp Another very popular car in Italy, the Uno. It was the first car with the FIRE engine, if I'm not mistaken. FIRE stands for Fully Robotized Integrated Engine, long words for probably the smallest engine in the history of automaking. Still, a somewhat reliable engine, that didn't need a lot of maintenance. But in later years, the Uno Turbo IE was a true monster. The Uno Turbo, the Peugeot 205 GTI, the Renault 5 GT, in Italy we call these cars "coffins on wheels", because they had such a poweful engine wrapped in a tiny, lightweight car, with little or no safety features. No ABS, no airbags, no ESP, traction control, nothing.
And most of us born in italy in the late 80’ are probably be conceived in that car😅
Years ago I went to Andorra which is a tiny country in the middle of the Pyrenees between Spain and France. Since the country is very mountanous, roads are twisty and it snows frequently. There I found out that the most popular car was the Panda 4x4 for obvious reasons. Their off road capabilities are quite good and probably would put to shame any modern SUV.
And we had the Punto, the Tempra, the Tipo, the Seicento. Not to mention some cars from Lancia, like the Delta. Back then we lived a very special part of italian history.
( No, we don't talk about the Duna )
@@Theshadowpoison I personally know a person, a dear friend of mine, who still owns and drive a Duna in immaculate conditions, after almost 40 years. It's camp. It's a car too bad that is actually good!
Remember: the mirror on the passenger side was an option you had to pay for on initial versions.
What’s your point?
@@AlbertManiscalcoPoint being that the base model was as basic as could be. Sort of the Italian Citroen 2CV.
This is why primarily I love this channel, it's not just about high performance and luxury fancy cars. It's about all cars, new and old model, cheap, expensive, bad and great (oh, and often very weird).
As an Italian it's so fun to see you reviewing my family's cars. My mum had a Multipla and my grandpa had a Panda 4x4 when I was a child, and I loved seeing them on your channel
I would love to see Doug review a first-gen Renault Twingo. Somewhat similar to the Panda, has lots of cool space-optimizing features like a back seat that can be moved towards or backwards. Cute styling and unusual interior design too.
(That being said, I don't know if anybody has imported one to North America - they're old enough by now, but this isn't exactly an RS3 or other cool enthusiast car.)
If I recall, I saw that there was a Craigslist add for a green one about a year or two ago in Texas (of all places), so at least one person brought one over
growing up in Uruguay, i remember i loved the yellow twingo my neighbor had bought! this was back in 95-98 somewhere around there
There's quite a cult following from the US, it wouldn't be surprising if someone imported them.
The best thing is that it's probably about the same size as the panda but you could fold the seats in a way so they would make a bed for actual grown adults.
Also the folding roof...
Not similar. It was "just" a cute-looking regular car. The sliding backseat was introduced in the Mazda 121 (Ford Festiva) in 1988, already. Also was the Canvas-Top. But I still agree, a Twingo would be a nice feature.
As a kid, there were a few cars I wanted once I grew up: the Testarossa, the F40, the Countach, Alfa 155, Lancia Delta Integrale, Lotus Esprit... and the Panda 4x4. Those are still some of my dream cars.
I still want a Panda "Sergio Taccini" & a Lancia Y10 "Fila"!
years ago my parents had a "seat marbella" which was this exact same car, just rebranded by seat. incredibly cozy, tiny, basic, and a true legend.
Both the Fiat Panda and Seat Marbella were a common sight in Germany.
And today?
Fiat Panda: Not very often, but not that rare
Seat Marbella: Extremely rare
The 4x4 with winter tires is hands down the best car on snow you will ever see and they are hard to find in mountain areas in Europe. It is fun to see them passing 100K German SUVs that are stuck on the roads
There’s lots of videos of pandas 4x4 towing stuck porsche cayenne/audi suv in the italian mountains
agreed
The modern cars, expecially SUVs are:
1. Too heavy
2. Have tyres that are too wide
I think
@@227conejo Many modern SUV has 4wd systems that arent any better for grip than this, regardless of tires. It is open diffs galore. The only thing saving them a bit is their traction control system, but it is often not calibrated very well for terrain driving, depending on model of SUV.
Secondly, look at the ground clearance for many of them, this little car has oodles more than most of them.
Fiat Campagnola 1107a Is a lot better in snow
This truly is an icon of Italian automobiles. Happy to see you review one of these, Doug !!
It's a European automotive icon
In Brazil the Italian icon is the fiat uno mille, when you come here you need to test this car
As a Panda owner myself, I waited for this review for years!! This car has been in the lives of tens of millions of people in Italy and believe me when I say there are places this car can go and a Defender or a G class won't, I've seen it with my eyes
Be careful, a car accident in that shitbox can be very dangerous
@@duncansmeraldi6192 I know. I actually own the 2nd gen Panda which is closer to a normal car in shape and chassis, but it's still kinda dangerous. But I have some friends who still have the original Panda, two of them regularly use them and one of the two is the legendary 4x4.
At least it's so slow that you will rarely put yourself in serious danger. (I mean, I often see old dudes driving it at 120km/h (75mph) on the highway, but that's not really where it belongs). But there are thousands of beautiful old towns in Europe with narrow roads where these things are the only 4-wheel veichles that you will see, and that's their natural habitat. Also as I mentioned it can become an impressive offroader, and if you spend as little as 2000/3000€ on mods I'm 100% serious that it outperforms a Defender or a G-class in most situations.
@@nomad6-1 yes that's true. For city use should be just fine. Airbags probably will be useless after 20 years regardless if they are not replaced..
Places like an American style Italian hood that looks like Brooklyn or Bronx? What they be making a hood style pizza with pineapple?
Sorry if this offends you especially pineapple on a pizza but I find this funny 🤣
@@duncansmeraldi6192 I'm positive that there was no airbag at all, at least in the early models
If you count the Brazilian Uno/Mile, the panda platform lasted up to 2013
Se falar que esse carro era vendido até 2013 no br esses cara não acreditariam 😂 e o acabamento do do video é bem mais maneiro que os 2013 kkkkkk
Uno é raiz.
not the same plataform. 2010 Uno MK2 shares plataform with New Panda. Classic Panda was smaller than Uno and never shared plataform. For european terms MK1 Uno was a compact (B Segment) and Panda a city-car (A Segment)
The Fiat Panda and the Fiat Uno were totally different platforms, the Uno was more advanced and actually quite a revoluctionary car for the era.
The Fiat Panda platform was used on the Seat Marbella and the ID Capsula concept.
Wasn't the Brazilian Fiat Uno based on the Italian Fiat Uno platform as well?
They maybe shared the Fire engine, that was developed back in the 70s and it still is built with some tweaks, in fact the new Firefly engines are their evolution
This was my first car. The side vents are directly connected to outside, I remember learning to drive in a Fiesta or a Micra, and then getting into this, and wondering why my face was getting wet when it rained. Turned out it was the side vents. My car had 1 singular vertical interior vent to heat the cabin.
Probabiy was an 80s version, the one tested by Doug was one of the latest models. I remember a first serie Panda 30 with vertical vent and seats 1 cm thick... When you suddenly stop you can hear the fuel moving into fuel tank.
I drove one once and the shift stick was so thin and long I had fears it would break. :D
Interestingly the K10 Micra was originally designed for Fiat but then used by Datsun/Nissan.
@@gglivetv It's the same, my father has one from 2003. side vents only purpose is to bring fresh air from outside. When it's not too hot, like in spring, it's really nice, becuase you get fresh air without opening the windows, so if it's raining (water doesn't get through usually, OP's car maybe had the seal broken) you keep the rain out of the car.
Ahhhh my first car. Drove it for 9 years. That's why I use this nickname :D. Mine was 2002 without 4x4 but with same engine. Never got cold on winters and on summer what venting did the job ok but far from perfect. I climbed on snowy mountains with only winter tires without issues. On highways it could achieve easily 160km/h (top speed) but I kept it at 120. I will never forget when I followed offroad Micubushi Payero with 2 friends inside without any problems. Always had wired parking spot on busy beaches. Engine failure at 450.000km on odometer separated us so I had to scrap it :(.
Here in Spain we had both this and the seat panda, exactly the same car, the 4x4 versions are really capable off roaders and rally cars, even today, there's still a lot of them in northern/rural areas,heck, Carlos Sainz started his career with one
seat Marbella... trajectory is for missiles, bullets and cannons :D
@@daniel-ino The Marbella had the old Fiat 127 engine!
Very popular as a rental car in Spanish resorts
@@daniel-ino Previous to the Marbella, There was the SEAT Panda. The Marbella was a Panda restyling, that appeared later.
the seat marbella sucked even mroe that the original italian one lol
My family got TWO of them: Panda30 Sept.1980 and Panda 750cc June 1988. I can only say that it reminds me about my childhood in the late ‘80 when we were basic but happy and with bright expectations from the future, everybody even the poorer italian ate well, owned a house and enjoyed a 5 weeks holiday from work.
Nowadays we all have the latest iphone and we drive Audis but we are all stressed and smile-lacking.
Sad, but true - and it's the same all over Europe...
So true🥲
Please take off your rose tinted glasses. I love the 80ies because I was a teenager back then, but we had 3 TV programs, no internet, no mobile phones and generally everybody was poorer than today. I would never want to go back!
Absolutely NOT true.
In Italy GDP per capita was much higher in the ‘80s compared to now.
And we all were working much less.
Social benefits were high and none was complaining about the lack of jobs or the poor salary back then.
Numbers are here in support: in the last 30 years almost 6 MILLIONS Italians expatriate, in the ‘80s none was expatriating.
Nowadays unemployment is almost 20% of entire population and we have 4 millions living under poverty rate.
Also, nowadays none is making kids as none have the economical power to mantain them, public schools and health care are struggling…. Need more?
@@fedegiova In 1980, the Italian GDP per capita was $8546, in 2019 it was $33566.
Let's not talk about all the strikes, the political instability, terrorism and the Mafia of this time. Or how low the standard of living really was.
Sure, everything was better back then! 🙄
Perhaps you were young back then? A lot of people make the mistake to look back with rose tinted glasses.
Sure, 1980 was fun if you were 18. It also was exciting if you were 12. But let's facts be facts, please.
I'm really glad Doug appreciates everything this iconic car is. You could actually get them with some "luxuries" like A/C, power windows, power locks, electronic headlight adjustment on later models, oh and an interesting quirk, the panda 1.1 actually uses the same coils as an Lamborghini Diablo 😅
Coil packs or spring coils?
Should it really matter if it uses the same coils as a Lambo? I don’t think so really. Speaking of fiat, or Stellantis, I find Alfa V6 using a Ferrari engine more interesting really
@@drippgxd Nobody questioned whether it matters or not. It was clearly a fun fact/tidbit of information for those who didn't know like myself. Nobody asked for your opinion, yet here you are stating it...
@@Jon-mo9ks coil packs
@@S1lverArr0w shut up you got triggered by a comment. Get a life bmw fanboy 😂
I own a 96 Panda 4x4 Country Club and I absolutely love it. It’s one of my favourite cars, this tiny little off road toy can do anything, trust me.
The panda was also one of the first cars produced in a (small) series also fully electric (Elettra) in 1990.
Of this first generation, in addition to the 4x4 (manual only), 2wd was also produced with automatic transmission (CVT) and even diesel.
The very first versions had rear seats that could become a sort of hammock ...
Thanks Doug for the review !!!
I had the one with the "hammock" - it was a piece of design made of pure genius.
@@RickyDeContardi For those reasons too, the commercials said: "if it didn't exist, they should invent it"
The Selecta really is an underappreciated model, the cvt is great on low power cars. I drive my grandma's 1998 one
The Panda Young was the cheapest trim level on the catalog. It was intended for novice drivers or young people that wanted just a vehicle to move around. Other cheap models of the Fiat catalog from that era had the Young trim level too.
This March I went to Italy to ski. There were two of those parking every single day in front of my window. In a tiny kind of village where there was just a shop, a few apartment buildings and the ski lift boarding station. And there were more of these anywhere you went around. And dozens of their successors - the modern second and third generation Pandas too. I love them all
And newest 4x4 ones are worst...
Doug, you forgot to mention that the 4×4 in particular is one of the best off-road vehicles ever made. You can see videos of this small car towing away bigger SUVs stuck in snow or mud! This car is a legend. I am Italian, and it's part of our culture. When I was young, I always disliked it, but nowadays, even if it's ugly, I started to appreciate it. In fact, I just bought a Panda MK1 today.
Fun facts about the Panda: the prototypes were burned by the Fiat employees because the Fiat managers wanted to build one in the south rather than the nord; the original one was presented in front of Italy’s then President Sandro Pertini; when they chose Giorgetto Giugiaro they told him the wanted a “huge small car” and that it had to be EXTREMELY SIMPLE in order to make sure that factory workers wouldn’t sabotage the cars, since there were many many political fights and strikes between the employees and the managers and sabotages were a daily occurrence…
Just a little remark, every time Doug says an icon in Italy, you see it in Italy etc etc. read Italy as Europe. This car is an Italian European icon. We love this this little thing.
Not Many years ago I had to drop my modern Audi in the middle of nowhere car shop due to a faulty spark plug during a long weekend out. It was closed and he couldn’t work on the car immediately so he very humbly asked if I wouldn’t mind to take his loaner if I wanted to still enjoy my weekend. It was a freaken panda 4x4. I was just like yoo I don’t even know if I gonna bring it back. Gimme panda to me. Fuck AC. I had a lot of fun.
fully understand. owning the sama as in video. Hope you did not engage that 4x4 on tarmac.
Interesting quirk: some models had seats that folded down to make the whole interior space a full sized bed, you can imagine what was the target for that
Camping in the car while stopping at a remote location during off the trails drive?
@@anujeetroy9715 yeeeees, specially if you consider that the panda was every young person’s first car, that italians live with their parents till late, and that we all love a good camporella
The Fiat Panda "My Wife Kicked Me Out" Package
@@Sbinott0 I can totally relate. I won't survive an entire month without getting a chance to drive out into the wilderness for some quality solo time
@@Sbinott0 bro im from Romania i was joking
The intermittent drilling sound in the background drove me crazy! I had this on in the background trying to sleep and I thought I was hearing myself snore while I was still awake!
It's incredible how Doug can review a panda being enthusiastic exactly the same as reviewing a Bugatti, if not even more.
That's what makes him great.
May be because his origins Name is SARDINIAN ❤❤.... 😊
Panda>new Bugatti.
@@k900-x1zNennixee
Glad you managed to review a Panda!
Two quick notes: those two vents on each side of the dashboard are not defoggers. They are connected directly to those two grill outside of the car, under the windshield, and they sorta act like an air conditioner. Basically if you take them off you are left with two holes in the body of the car. The defoggers are those slits between them.
And under the spare tire there's also a crank style car jack which slots in that square shaped hole under the frame in the middle of the car.
not mentioning the double screwdriver beside the spare tyre
ah callate with this huge piece of crap, useless car
@@karlk.6819 th-cam.com/video/Ffbv0qg299M/w-d-xo.html same idea updated
@@karlk.6819 says useless person.
What a bummer for demuro this rewiew.
I just can't help but fall in love with the "regular" cars that Doug reviews.
I like these vids the best too. I mean yes the super cars, quirky concept cars, and high dollar luxury vehicles are fun and interesting, but most people don't drive those and never will. Most people have driven the "every" car, and some of yesterday's every-car have become nostalgic curiosities in automotive history that bring back a lot of fond, and sometimes not so fond memories with people and show how far performance and comfort have come over the years and what ideas have failed, succeeded, or were just too ahead of their time.
I'm a 21 years old italian and i recently bought a 1988 fiat panda 4x4 and i absolutely love it, it's the italian dream car, it's like a little tank, you can go everywhere with this and never break it, italians use it on mountains, in countryside, in city. Every kid of this generation has some older relative with a panda and everyone dreams of a panda. After 21 years i now have the opportunity to love it more as i already loved it. I am always amazed of how is the smallest on the outside but on the inside there's more space than in my father's land rover Freelander
The early seats were even more "primitive", they were basically some like garden chairs. My brother in law had one of the early version, and whenever we went on the freeway. And going around 100 kmh, you could see the bonnet and fenders "flapping" in the wind. Scared the crap out of me, but he thought (and still does) it's the best car ever
I was about to say.. the rear bench was like a hammock.. not comfortable at all!
If he had that one with 4x4 than he probably had a best car product ever. My one is like this in dougs rewiew. Still greatest car butt that hammock seats were best.
I’m Italian, I know many people who either have or have had one of these and it’s so cool to see you review this car. I’ve been following you for quite a long time now and I’ve been wondering if one day this review would come, and it did! Thank you, this is amazing.
I honestly love cars like this. Breaking the norm of regular automobiles. I wouldn't mind seeing more tours of cars like this. Doug's a good reviewer and I really enjoyed his walkthough on this.
I had a 1987 Panda 4x4 in 1997 my first car. I serviced it myself, replaced the sunroof from a scrapyard myself. The rear wiper was squeaking like mad in pouring rain once then it stopped, it had fallen off. When it snowed it was awesome, went past nearly every car no problem. I’m in the UK .
Wow as an Italian I'm so happy to see the Panda here!
My parents had one, very much less "luxurious" than the Country Club, that already had a lot of features.
And btw, the Panda 4x4 can give a run for its money to range rovers in mountain roads and off road paths, they were actually used by Italian police to chase smugglers in the Italian Alps!
It has to be said that Fiat still has a model called Panda in the lineup. Panda is now a conventional city car, except that it still has a 4x4 version, and it's shockingly capable off road.
My 1st car was a Panda...a 1000CL
In Germany we called it "tolle Kiste" which roughly translates to "great box" (super duper box).
It had 45 furious horses and was a blast to drive 27 years ago
one of the best car designs ever! my mother had one for over 20 years and it just kept on going. wonderful machine.
Thank you for bringing some of italian semplicity in the world! Every italian as either owened a Panda or has a relative/friend with a Panda. Personally is the first car i ever drove, and my uncle used a 20 years old Panda to transport building materials for his house, and it never had a major problem
I remember in the UK driving my friends Panda 1000CL in black back in the 90's, they were a really wealthy family, and a Panda was not seen as the poor persons choice - it had universal appeal, something lacking these days. Great car to drive in its pure simplicity.
A VW Golf can do that
I remember in the same period or at least in the 80s middle class families would have 2cv as the second car. As for the Golf comment, the Golf was often seen as a little ostentatious for a second shopping car.
@@MaximilianvonPinneberg a Golf was almost seen as a luxury
@@MaximilianvonPinneberg I was referring to standards nowadays. Multi millionaires drive Golfs as well as upper working class.
How bourgeois. The peasants made do with the 750.
Good Morning Doug, wonderful review.The panda 4x4 gen one had a proper rear differential, steyer Puch in Austria did the work and they cost almost double the price of the two wheel drive version.
We would see them in St Moritz in the 80’s.Many of the locals had them.It’s a very capable car in the snow and hills.Sure they were rust prone but a few are still around, their mechanicals are tough.
Even today the later generations of 4x4 pandas are popular in the Swiss and Italian ski resorts.
Thank you for the video, it brought back warm memories
Those ones also had a Puch badge on the back I think.
The first version by Giugiaro was even simpler, but cleverer: There was a fabric pocket on pax side and the possibility to fold the seat and the bench to sleep in the car... amazing
They kept the double bed part.
It is funny to see Doug constantly talking about the Panda’s simplicity, while in South America we only got its little brother, the Fiat Uno, that is even simpler!
In Italy was the opposite: the Panda was the cheap utilitarian sub compact, the Uno was much reifned and nice (and defintiely more expensive).
@@gglivetv I had no idea about that! In Brazil, the Unos were made either locally or in Argentina, and were among the cheapest cars available from the mid 80s until 2010s. At least there were several special versions with a bit more quality and performance, such as the Uno 1.6R and the Uno Turbo (first turbocharged car in Brazil). Nowadays, people in Brazil and Argentina are making insane builds with these cars due to the availability of cheap parts.
Na real o Uno e maior que o Panda, em tudo, motores, equipamento, dimensões etc. o Panda era menor que o 147.
@@TheJpedro14 Eu acho o visual do Uno mais agradável e proporcional. Apesar de que a traseira do Panda lembra a traseira do Lancia Delta.
The Uno is the bigger brother (& is nicer to drive, as its slightly wider, so goes round corners better).
In France, there was another special edition of the Panda 4x4, which was called "Var d'Isère". Off-road capabilities of this little car was rather surprising, I remember seeing one climbing a small, steep, rock-filled path in the mountains.
My first car in 1998, in the UK. Same colour with a roof rack and a bull bar. Was just front wheel drive though. Brilliant car. Unfortunately I wrote it off pulling the handbrake in the rain. The standard models did have rear, and front badges. Fiat coupe 20VT review soon please Doug.
Idk if there are any Coupe 20V Turbo in the US he can review.
@@adrianzanoli I know there's a few in Canada. So thought the USA would've had a few.
The door handle (or lack thereof) looks cool. That shaved look is stylish.
As a young American visiting Italy the first time, I'll never forget seeing one of these in a hill town, and being impressed with the fact it was a 4x4.
In Italy, the Panda Van was the "official car" of the telephone company's repair guys. It was white with the company logo on the sides.
I once was to Mt. Vesuvius, and there was old Panda 4x4, going up rocky path between tourists delivering supplies to the caffe on the summit.
No other car could go path that narrow or do less damage to landscape.
As of part that everyone had a Panda or new somebody who had one:
My friend had a Panda as first car. His exhaust has fallen off (he hot a pothole while transporting 8 people in a Panda), so middle of exhaust pipe was dragging along the road. Because of that he could not reverse, as car would get stuck. His solution was to lift the car, move it around, so he can turn the car around. He did it for 3 weeks, because he was so lazy not to get peace of wire and tie it up. Lazy to tie it up, but not to lift the car to turn it around. That is how light Panda is.
Cheap and practical and you are driving the most luxurious version.
I've started to drive with an 1986 Panda 750 S (who as badges on the rear). The S version is most similar to the one you have except for the EFi engine and the inclinometer. But came out with a stereo and a clock.
The C and CL versions of the same year have 4 speeds instead of five, no door glovebox and trims (bare metal) no stereo, no clock, no front ashtray.
The PANDA is a status symbol
Thank you for finally reviewing the Panda! It was my first car and it was really fun to start with. Super reliable. Only negative side effect is that these Pandas were very rusty. My car needed a totally new exhaust line and some other welding and panels in order to stay legal for the road (even though it was produced in 2003, the last year of its production). Because of its simplicity, I could mess around with installing electronics like custom LED strips under the 'dashboard', charging ports, and a 1300W subwoofer in the back. I even changed the dashboard ligthing itself into a LED strip that was configured with an Arduino to display any color I wanted! So cool to be able to do that. I had it in 2017/18. Even in freezing temperatures, the little engine had never trouble starting. Once I had 6 people in the car on a night out. It was really tight and because of the weight, it had trouble accelerating😂😂 All in all a super fun car which shows that simplicity is sometimes a good thing!
They are very reliable, despite their reputation, & if the timing belt snaps, no problem, change it at the side of the road (only need 3 sockets) & 15 minutes later, you can carry on! The worst thing was the doors, the drain holes weren't at the bottom, so the water would sit & rust the door bottoms out (& after 3 facelifts, they still didn't bother sorting that issue out!).
@@MrPabsUk Yeah! In the automatic car wash, the water literally entered the car through multiple spots in the door. Crazy 😂
Born and lived all my life in Italy here. With my friends and family we say that the Panda is THE car. We've had a few in my family and it's the ultimate city car. And they are now actually going up in value and which actually makes me happy because just now people are realizing what a true masterpiece it is. Glad you gave it some attention
La panda no vale verga
Born and lived all my life in America here. With my friends and family we say that the Ford Super duty F450 platinum with power stroke is THE car. We’ve had a few in my dads ranch in Upper Peninsula Michigan and it’s the ultimate pickup truck. And my family are now actually going up in value because my father is a rich guy and he bought a brand new 2020 F450 platinum with $100k. He does horse racing for a living, and he wins all the time, so my dad gets paid like $50K for winning the UP (Upper peninsula) horse battle once every year. And he went to Kentucky with the F450 with the horse trailer in the back for the Kentucky Derby. There, his horse is the best in that competition, and he won. If my dad increases his life value to $10M+ then he’ll buy land in Texas and build the best ranch in the state. I mean UP Michigan is like countryside, not the LP doods where this trash city called Detroit is.
@@drippgxd gr8 b8
@@yscrx8843 yeah my dads life value is higher then yours….
@@drippgxd goo goo ga ga
I'm Italian. Here we have respect for this car. We've all seen in the mountain roads doing things that a Renge Rover can't do. Where off-road vehicles stop she goes on.
*Where a real off Road veichle stop She stops far earlyer😅
@@davidem02 dude you have no idea, that panda can climb walls, there’s nothing stopping it
@@Sbinott0 A train can stop it and completely destroy any car.
@@automation7295 you dont get the point. This panda will destroy any g class out there and jeep
@@automation7295I was talking about terrain not moving objects
I am italian and my beloved Granpa got a Panda 4x4 Sisley (special 4x4 version).
He took me along with him in countless off road mountain adventures with that and he really loved it.
Eventually in the early '2000s he changed it for a Suzuki Jimny but never stop loving it.
Those are really nice memories i have with him.
The OG panda is like IKEA furniture, it's cheap and basic but incredibly well designed to do exactly what it sets out to do. You have to admire how good it is at what it's made for.
IKEA furniture lmao hey atleast you get the things you want on the spot without waiting a month for bed frame to come
The early fwd version of the Panda were even simpler and more spartan that this ‘luxurious’ 4x4. The 4x4 system was developed by Steyr-Puch an Austrian company (which is Magna today).
My best buddy got rear-ended in an early Panda - a miracle he survived the crash.
Ironically, the Fiat Panda 4x4 from the first generation may have been among the first "crossover" all-wheel drive vehicle for the masses, along with the Lada Niva.
As an italian, i have to add an essential piece of information. The panda is equipped with the mist efficient safety devices, such as the cross hanged on the mirror, which prevents incidents that would otherwise be deadly.
There was an electric version of this in the late 80's. It had only two seats and the back seats were replaced by 600 kg of batteries. It had four speeds and a complete clutch! Max. speed was like 70 km/h and range was like zero. The the battery changement was two expensive so the almost new car was finally wrecked.
was awful, a little more than a prototype... they made less than 20 if I remember right...
@@gglivetvYes, they were awful, as awful as electric "cars" still are! I think they built over 1000 pieces and together with the Citroen Saxo were the most built electric cars after WW II. In Switzerland they were sold under the brand of "Larel". 600 kg of lead-acid batteries for a range of 30-60 km!
@@jurivlk5433 Given that the Model 3 Long Range gets around 500 km of range on 480 kg of batteries - it's fair to say that EVs have gotten quite far since then!
@@vinterskugge907 An ultra light Diesel car can make over 1000 km with 1 liter of Diesel or 900g! A long way to go for your Tesla!
@@jurivlk5433 Owner of a Larel here. It's more like 280kg of batteries (14 x 12V 80Ah AGM batteries), which only leaves about 200kg of legal load capacity including occupants. To my understanding, the Larel came before the officiel Elettra sold by Fiat. The larel is more a kind of prototype. The Elettra is way better finished!
Fun fact: the Panda 4x4 is THE national car of Andorra, the mountainous mini state in Europe. Poor, rich or government official, they all drive the Panda 4x4
Being a Belgian guy and especially being a kid at the time it came out and a youg adult when they still sold it, it was one of my all favourit cars. I was never the typical guy that wanted a fat sportscar. I was and still am the guy that loves small, practical and most important of all, quirky cars. I loved the Panda just as I loved the Lada 2107, the Skoda 1300, The Fiat Uno, the Suzuki Alto and Swift. I even very much loved the Fiat 127 but that was too small for me. To bad you didn't have the opportunity to test drive the Panda Selecta with a variomatic transmission.
The Panda is a design beast, one of the best works of giugiario. Totally underrated. The 4x4 version is incredibly capable off-road.
One thing that bugged me as a 5-8 year old living in Europe… the “one reverse and one fog light” setup. As a kid, I didn’t know the red was a fog light, I just thought… hey, as long as people see the white one while they are backing up, it’s all we as pedestrians need lol.
I still saw plenty of them in AWD form in South Tyrol last summer. It is the perfect car for that region of the world.
Are there no Subaru Justys in South Tyrol?
@@hansmeyer7225 no , was never imported in italy. most common "mountain cars" here are the panda, the suzuki jimmy. There were the old mitsubishi pajero 3 door, Dahiatsu terios 3 door , old renault megane 4x4... Basically all really small cars that have great offroad capability. in italy there are places you can't reach with a jeep or Land Rover beacause they're too big (most moutain trails are really narrow). Theese cars will do for cheaper and wasting less fuel.
@@hansmeyer7225
I haven't seen one.
@@hansmeyer7225 my great uncle had a 1st gen but there weren't many. The 2nd gen (a rebadged Swift) was slightly more popular but nothing like the Panda.
One thing I love about this design is that the side mirrors are attached on springs (at least one the ones ive seen). If you're going through tight Italian streets, you're inevitably going to hit something, and I love that the mirrors will just pop back out afterwards.
I suspect that this is also the reason for the weird doorhandle, as any "normal" doorhandle would increase the width of the car
My first car when I was a student. An older model even more basic than this one. So smart, very reliable and you can customize or fix it with a simple screwdriver... I miss it!
Same here. I really underappreciated that car because of its suspension (or lack thereof), abysmal gear shift and lack of stability at 'high' speed. But in hindsight I realize it was a good little car that masterfully did the job it was designed for.
@@razorback20 "does the job"... You're right!
My biggest pet peeve about new cars is the lack of visibility. Old cars had tiny pillars which made it feel so open like you could see everything around you. I'd give up airbags and safety features to gain visibility any day. 20:25
Wow, my mom used to have one in 97...you review a panda with some optional, my mom's panda had no clock, speakers and even the passenger' s mirror....Ohh good old days...
Yesss, finally the car I wanted you to cover. This is indeed our most iconic car, everyone loves it, everyone wanted one at one point in their life hahah thanks Doug
How can everyone love the Panda when it was never sold in the States?
@@automation7295 "everyone in Italy" i meant haha sorry, thought it was implied
@@96elixx Not all Italians drive these, most did or still do.
Thank You for your review of one of my old family cars! As an italian, and an italian car fan I think this was a very accurate and passionate one! You made me relive those years.. Grazie Mille! Also, it is so cool that you drove it in LA! That you guys know and appreciate it!
Yes! This was the first car I drove (well, the Spanish version, Seat Marbella, basically same but rebadged, and not the 4x4). Awesome little machine, great visibility and the easiest parking ever. And it even was good on gravel roads and such. It will forever be in my heart 🤗
P.S. I actually didn't have mirror handles. There was nothing. If you wanted to adjust the mirror you had to roll down the window and grab the mirror and adjust it by hand.
The Seat Version was called „Marbella“ in Germany
Doug, I'm stunned that you missed the screwdriver that is integrated into the washer bottle. The washer bottle-toolbox combo is to my knowledge unique in the car world. ;)
I came to say the same thing, screwdriver is easy to spot there.
I've never seen a Panda in person. Watching Doug's review, I saw the windshield washer bottle and thought "that looks like a screwdriver 🪛 on the left side". Yup!
FYI, with respect to automobiles, left & right are from the driver's perspective, sitting in the driver's seat, looking forward through the windshield as he/she would be doing while driving normally.
The ash Trey not only slides, it also detaches and could be attached in the headrests of the seats for the passengers. The Panda is my first car and when me and my friends go somewhere we always argue for the ash trey
Some friends of mine travelled to Mongolia with a fiat panda. From italy