There is a hidden gem in this video. It tells you how to underclock your Pi 4, to avoid the thermal wall. Derating the Pi may help with poor cooling cases. I live without AC, and summer heat can be a problem. I may use the PI for a remote Software Defined Radio dongle. It would be in a a very second story or attic location. The POE Hat makes this much easier. The Hat has a builtin fan. Thanks for another fine video..
I have only seen it tested on the Pi 3 B+. I have not seen a PI 4 case which supports a fan.. I am looking forward to a Pi 4 PoE test. Clearly the Pi's makers have seen the need for cooling on remoted Pis. It seems the PoE hat sets down better on the GPIO pins. We are comparing Pi 3s with 2 generations of use with a Pi 4, on the open market for about a week. Buster is still Late Beta. It is a very good Late Beta.. The Pi 4 ecosystem is in its infancy. The Pi 4 has roughly twice the basic performance of a Pi 3. A $35 Pi is thus like getting two $35 Pi 3s. Higher Memory models are even better I'd like to see a Pi 4 throttled to emulate earlier Pis. Then one would see the real, cycle by cycle, change in processor and memory. Someone said it may use a faster SD card. It can boot and swap using USB 3. No tests use a well tuned Pi 4 yet. I am sure such things are cooking, but they are not done. It is still yummy.
So apparently the Pi4 supports 1:1 pixel video out which means it'll be amazing for arcade games on a CRT via one of those Pi2Jamma boards. I'd love to see someone demonstrate this.
@@ShrimpZoo Why? How does Arcade goodness without needing to ever mess around with optimal video / resolution settings sound? Pi4 is powerful enough to do Retroarch's Run Ahead mode too so yes, zero lag emulation on a zero lag display seems perfectly achievable now
@@Mosestylez I'm hoping sooner then that. I would lend mine to a developer as soon as I got it but my back order is so far behind I'm sure they'll have it taken care of by the time I get my board.
I feel like adding the active cooling starts to miss the goal of the cheap, accessible computer but hey, it's still cheaper and lower power than most desktops and totally up to the owners so I guess I shouldn't bemoan it too much. It is impressive how much it improves with the relatively tiny increase in clock speeds.
Everything about this channel is excellent from the presentation to the information. You're both to the point and in depth. I'm drooling over these Rasp Pi 4s and can't wait to upgrade my Plex server and local web server environment with one. Keep up your good work.
My pi is currently on a FedEx truck coming from Canada. Supposed to be here Tuesday. Can't freaking wait. I use kodi on OSMC and the built-in software allows you to overclock from a gui. But it's always good to learn how to do it manually.
Having the same line in for over_voltage in there twice doesn't make sense. According to raspberrypi.org that one setting controls both CPU & GPU voltage together. Are you sure its not overvolting by 2 and then overwriting that same setting to 4?
Hi ETA Prime from down under. Absolute fan of your work.My raspberry pi 4 now performs are reboot properly after following you overclock vidio. I have the 4gig modle using 2.5 amp power and 60mm 12 volt case fan on gpo pins. If you want overclock beyond 1800 Ghz you are going to change your heat sink. Size and mass matter. Watching a TH-cam VIDIO my temps are around 29 to 34 C. This applies to the 3b and 3b+ as well. THE RASPBERRY PI 4 IS A BEAST. I'm a tradie and thus my heat sink is 2 pieces of aluminium 20x10x40mm stuck together with your thermal tape. Place it on the cpu running parrel to the gpo pins with the join vertical. On top of this I have a 70mm length of 25x10 heat sink extrusion I got of Amazon.(300mm long with ten fins running its length) I Used your 1750 Ghz OVER CLOCK and then throw caution to the wind and up it by 100 Ghz with vidio set to 650 Ghz. Then kept raising it 100 Ghz at a time. Got to 2450 Ghz and it then started to so sines of needing more power. Settled for 2350 GHZ ran it all night and at midday wrote this. Power is still at 2. Stable as a brick shit house. Has not failed me yet except when set back to stock speed and it wont reboot. Cant beleave my luck!!
@@worldhello1234 I,m not Steve Borke from Gamers NEXUS or KING PIN i’m a carpneter from Australia and I ‘m about to give you a basic maths lesson. ETA PRIMES favorate raspberry pi case and WHY? FLERC CASE AND WHY thermal mass on cpu. But no active cooling. Raspbery pi CPU is 15mm x 15mm about. I told you to pu apiece of aluminium on top of the cpu 20 x20 x40 mm. The area of 15x15 =225squared the area 20x20x40=4000mm squared 4000/225=17.777 17.777-1=16.777 times I have increased the cooling area of the CPU. WITHOUT AIR COOLING OR LETTING THE SCNTIST TRY AND TELL YOU ABOUT TRYING TO HEAT THE MASS. WHAT TEMP DOES YOUR RASPBEERY PI IDLE AT? AND BY IDLE I MEAN WHATCH A TH-cam VIDIO!!!! 60mm FAN ON THERMAL MASS IDLE TEMP MODLE 3 3B+ 4 BETWEEN 25 & 40C DEPENDING ON CENTRAL HEATING
Great video very interesting, now we have usb 3.0 , will see an external graphics card, Nvidia has some arm driver support, even if it didn't work, it would be a great video.
With a cheap Heat Sink and the Little Pi-Fan, i use these on a 1gig Pi4 over_voltage=4 arm_freq=1800 gpu_freq=650 over_voltage=4 Been stable and idle is 38, Emulating is 56, and Heavy use 64
Think you made a mistake in the specs, everywhere I read the stock GPU clock is 500mhz not 400mhz, would also make more sense considering the gain in Open arena, only 10 fps gain with what's supposedly a 50%+ GPU overclock is pretty weak, but makes a lot more sense if it's stock at 500 MHz :)
600/500 = 1.2...aka 20% uplift in clock speed. 20% clock increase never equals 25% extra frames. Its clear something besides gpu mhz is bottlenecking fps. 620/400=1.55...aka 55% gpu mhz uplift but only 25% fps uplift. Almost guaranteed its memory bandwidth.
To everyone; That heatsink/fan combo is ok and will do the job, but there are better heatsinks out there that are compatible with the RPi4b and will do a much better job of cooling.. Amazon and ebay are a great place to find them.
It's Low Power DDR4 ram clocked at 3200Mhz, you could overclock it if you really need to but that's such a huge increase over anything previous that I doubt you'll need to
For safety reasons I probably won't be going over 1.6/500. I am more excited about OC'ing the GPU than the CPU to be honest. That should be nice for GPU dependent stuff like the more intensive Emulators.
You're right about him setting CPU voltage twice, but there's no such GPU voltage setting. There's over_voltage and some over_voltage_sdram* options, but that's it.
If something goes wrong, you dont even have to remove the sd card, if you have noobs. It will boot to noobs, and then to raspbian, where it will crash, however noobs can still go into recovery mode, where you can change the config.txt. Thats very helpful, as you can reboot the raspberry pi and on bootup, you can just change your settings, and see if it works. If it doesen, reboot and change the settings....Noobs is awsome.
I was able to overclock my Pi4 stable in this settings : GPU:600MHz and CPU: 2000MHz. Awesome. I using both heatsink and case with fan. Temperature is 40celcius in Idle and 60celscius on 100% stress test sysbench. 10000 point using 4threads is about 17,5s
Very nice to see what the new Pi4 can do. Do you think the new Flirc case will be enough to cool the Pi with overclock, or should we combine passive and active cooling? And thx for this video, had hoped already to see something like that.👍👍👍
I managed to get mine up to 2Ghz with over_voltage=1 with the GPU running at 600 Mhz, I think I can still push the GPU further, but I dont really have a good way to monitor and load the GPU. VLC works with GPU decoding in fullscreen btw. but no 4k support yet.
Overvoltage only voids warranty if you go above 6, and that requires using force turbo. You really can't void the warranty by overvolting unless you're practically trying to.
I think the pi 4 should be able to hit 2.1Ghz on the cpu and 800mhz on the cpu provided you have good cooling. The Pi 4 could be overkill, hell we might be able to run gamecube and psp emulation decently. I'm excited.
I know I'm late for this video, but why do you set over_voltage=2 and lower over_voltage=4? Does it need both to set over voltage to 2 on CPU and to 4 on GPU, or does over_voltage=4 override the over_voltage=2?
Is there any reason you are using the fkms (fake KMS) GPU driver over a true KMS (see dtoverlay value) ? Is Fake KMS the default setting for Raspbian or did you change it yourself ?
What about P-States? Does it lower its power consumption as original, if no performance is required? Or is this a permanent forced overclock, as long as the cfg is like this? I want to use a PI4 as a performant ultra-low-power PC for my sleeping room. And saving even for example just 0.5W is absolutely lovely, if possible.
@@HetZieltje That sucks a lot. I hope there will be another solution - even if I have to resolder the reference clock crystal oscillator. That worked on the first models at least afaik from a friend. I want to save every Watt possible!
First off. Love your videos! Second: Tom's hardware shows adding the overclock settings to the section labeled [Pi4] you add yours in the section below. Would you recommend one over the other or does it not matter.
What about mounting it onto a board then installing the whole lot into the Little Devil PC-V10 case but you will have to pre-pare the Raspberry Pi for extremely low temperatures with kneaded eraser to protect the electronics but the cooling probe has to be able to make contact with the CPU case in order to cool it properly also some way will be needed to start the Raspberry Pi when the probe temperature drops below minus 70 below zero at which point everything should work, you could glue the cooler probe to the CPU using epoxy Resin+hardener+Arctic-Silver.
Very interesting info. Do you plan on experimenting with overclocking and RetroPie? I'm curious to know how well the Pi 4 handles N64, PSone, and Dreamcast after this overclock.
+1 on this. My pi3b couldn't even play n64 with moderate overclock but I thought it was the ram causing the issue more than the CPU since it only has 1gb ram. This having 4 I'm very hopeful my next nacho image for the pi4 will run all the stuff. Hoping for PlayStation too but that may be too much to ask
More gpu memory (about 1-1.5gb to gpu), and overclock the ram to its boost frequency of 3200mhz. Should sort out your gpu stability (in theory, haven't got my pi4 yet 😅).
Any idea if pie images for 3 and 3b will work on the pie 4? Got a good image set up the way I want and hoping to just pop the sdcard in. Also do you think killer instinct will finally be able to run on this thing?
A cool video might be trying to adapt a stock Intel or amd cooler to the raspberry. Unfortunately the cpu is on the wrong side again unlike some raspberry pi alternatives.
That's nice to know. Just got their kit with the clear case. One of the heatsinks made the 4 pin header almost inaccessible but I don't plan on using POE. Canakit only comes with 3 sinks. But I have the same kit. Curious if I can get anywhere close. First think I did is go into raspi-config and it told me overclocking not supported when I tried to click on it from the menu.
There's been mention of it running as both a host or device through that USB-C port, all the USB stuff is going through a single PCI-e Gen-2 lane. From the blogpost: The Ethernet controller on the main SoC is connected to an external Broadcom PHY over a dedicated RGMII link, providing full throughput. USB is provided via an external VLI controller, connected over a single PCI Express Gen 2 lane, and providing a total of 4Gbps of bandwidth, shared between the four ports.
@@evthink I'm still waiting in the US, I think they're getting held up on FCC certification here from what I've read, that or just less supply than demand. Definitely looks like an awesome upgrade from the already solid previous versions.
Theoretically it's possible on the pi4. Depending on settings, it should run ok. If the whole thing is written in sdl, it's going to be slow. Playing @ 4k probably won't happen. I could be wrong tho.
I really doubt it. I bet it runs fine in lighter areas of the game, but I bet it tanks when the train runs by. My core-m 7y-30 powered windows tablet shits the bed in certain parts of hl2, but runs other parts at 720p 60fps no problem.
Have you tried to USB boot without doing anything special like the 3b+. Hoping they added a multi boot feature so it will boot from any storage device.
So I used berryboot to boot to SSD and I cant seem to get to the text file. Do I change the text on the micro SD that berryboot uses or change some file on the SSD????
It will once they add the right drivers i tested but it seems the emulator is optimzed for pi3 and b+ for example nds runs great on pi3b+ we got it running on pi4 it runs like crap with alot of tiering and glitches but full speed of course but its not ready to go, once the devs get it ready for pi4 im sures its gonna do alot more, the drivers like audio, gamepad, video with opengl will help alot, lets hope for the best id like to see that game at full speed as well
I'm waiting to be able to boot off the USB 3 with an SSD!! Lol. That plus retropi with these specs and overclockability seem like I'll finally be able to play the n64/PS/Dreamcast ROMs that seem to come on every image that I can never use.
It works fine thank you!. But how paste that stuff in Lakka confic.txt? Lakka wont boot anymore.. Can u give me a Example, where u should paste? Thanks
I love videos with warnings you know it's gonna be good
I thought people love hot pies. :D
John Blue stop.
There is a hidden gem in this video. It tells you how to underclock your Pi 4, to avoid the thermal wall. Derating the Pi may help with poor cooling cases. I live without AC, and summer heat can be a problem. I may use the PI for a remote Software Defined Radio dongle. It would be in a a very second story or attic location. The POE Hat makes this much easier. The Hat has a builtin fan. Thanks for another fine video..
I have only seen it tested on the Pi 3 B+. I have not seen a PI 4 case which supports a fan.. I am looking forward to a Pi 4 PoE test. Clearly the Pi's makers have seen the need for cooling on remoted Pis. It seems the PoE hat sets down better on the GPIO pins.
We are comparing Pi 3s with 2 generations of use with a Pi 4, on the open market for about a week. Buster is still Late Beta. It is a very good Late Beta.. The Pi 4 ecosystem is in its infancy. The Pi 4 has roughly twice the basic performance of a Pi 3. A $35 Pi is thus like getting two $35 Pi 3s. Higher Memory models are even better
I'd like to see a Pi 4 throttled to emulate earlier Pis. Then one would see the real, cycle by cycle, change in processor and memory. Someone said it may use a faster SD card. It can boot and swap using USB 3. No tests use a well tuned Pi 4 yet. I am sure such things are cooking, but they are not done. It is still yummy.
im cruisin at 2200mhz never goes over 45 deg on the PI400
Goddamn that's a 25%+ improvement. Pretty impressive.
And he hasn't even adjusted the GPU voltage yet ;)
Being a watch enthusiast, I can't help but constantly thinking of the Swiss ETA mechanical movement :D
So apparently the Pi4 supports 1:1 pixel video out which means it'll be amazing for arcade games on a CRT via one of those Pi2Jamma boards. I'd love to see someone demonstrate this.
Does this mean less input lag?
Smh.
why though
@@ShrimpZoo Why? How does Arcade goodness without needing to ever mess around with optimal video / resolution settings sound? Pi4 is powerful enough to do Retroarch's Run Ahead mode too so yes, zero lag emulation on a zero lag display seems perfectly achievable now
@@Fattydeposit did it support native RGB via the p2 output? instead composite? thanks!
I messed with 1:1 on the psp emulator. Works pretty good, but comes down to personal taste.
Can't wait for RecalBox to be ported over to the RPI4 with the auto overclock feature.
BATOCERA > RECALBOX
@@Mosestylez as long as it takes for the developers to get their hands on the board
@@Mosestylez I'm hoping sooner then that. I would lend mine to a developer as soon as I got it but my back order is so far behind I'm sure they'll have it taken care of by the time I get my board.
I feel like adding the active cooling starts to miss the goal of the cheap, accessible computer but hey, it's still cheaper and lower power than most desktops and totally up to the owners so I guess I shouldn't bemoan it too much. It is impressive how much it improves with the relatively tiny increase in clock speeds.
Well if you look around old pc parts bins and get some stick on thermal pads, you can still add active cooling for next to nothing.
Can't wait to see what the a new version of RetroPie will run like with the Pi 4.
Everything about this channel is excellent from the presentation to the information. You're both to the point and in depth. I'm drooling over these Rasp Pi 4s and can't wait to upgrade my Plex server and local web server environment with one. Keep up your good work.
I have my pi 4 at 2ghz on the cpu and 750mhz on the gpu.
works fine.
damn
now i need raspberry pi on liquid nitrogen videos
Element14 already did it, check it out
Pedro or something like this?
th-cam.com/video/moF9IHuZqnE/w-d-xo.html
Does Piss count as well?
Raspberry Pi can now actually cook raspberry pies.
Nice! Any chance you'll revisit windows 10 on the 4GB variant?
@@marine1718 windows 10 arm version.
He did a video on full Windows 10 64bit on am RPi3. I'm curious if the upgraded memory and RAM will make for a smoother experience.
@@geoff650r yes defo. It was mostly bad cause of the cpu and ram limit
can you make your pi 4 overclocked run netflix on chromium with out using kodi or libreelc
@@msinfo32 The CPU was not the problem, just the memory and probably the sd card.
My pi is currently on a FedEx truck coming from Canada. Supposed to be here Tuesday. Can't freaking wait. I use kodi on OSMC and the built-in software allows you to overclock from a gui. But it's always good to learn how to do it manually.
Having the same line in for over_voltage in there twice doesn't make sense. According to raspberrypi.org that one setting controls both CPU & GPU voltage together. Are you sure its not overvolting by 2 and then overwriting that same setting to 4?
precisely my thought while watching this video.
@@lukewatson059 which is what he said, running the first overvolt and then running the second making the first pointless
Yessir! Keep up the great work ETA!
Hi ETA Prime from down under.
Absolute fan of your work.My raspberry pi 4 now performs are reboot properly after following you overclock vidio. I have the 4gig modle using 2.5 amp power and 60mm 12 volt case fan on gpo pins. If you want overclock beyond 1800 Ghz you are going to change your heat sink. Size and mass matter. Watching a TH-cam VIDIO my temps are around 29 to 34 C. This applies to the 3b and 3b+ as well. THE RASPBERRY PI 4 IS A BEAST.
I'm a tradie and thus my heat sink is 2 pieces of aluminium 20x10x40mm stuck together with your thermal tape. Place it on the cpu running parrel to the gpo pins with the join vertical.
On top of this I have a 70mm length of 25x10 heat sink extrusion I got of Amazon.(300mm long with ten fins running its length)
I Used your 1750 Ghz OVER CLOCK and then throw caution to the wind and up it by 100 Ghz with vidio set to 650 Ghz.
Then kept raising it 100 Ghz at a time. Got to 2450 Ghz and it then started to so sines of needing more power.
Settled for 2350 GHZ ran it all night and at midday wrote this.
Power is still at 2.
Stable as a brick shit house.
Has not failed me yet except when set back to stock speed and it wont reboot.
Cant beleave my luck!!
I bet you couldn't even get it to 2.35 THz on liquid nitrogen. ;)
@@worldhello1234 I,m not Steve Borke from Gamers NEXUS or KING PIN
i’m a carpneter from Australia and I ‘m about to give you a basic maths lesson.
ETA PRIMES favorate raspberry pi case and WHY?
FLERC CASE AND WHY thermal mass on cpu. But no active cooling.
Raspbery pi CPU is 15mm x 15mm about.
I told you to pu apiece of aluminium on top of the cpu 20 x20 x40 mm.
The area of 15x15 =225squared
the area 20x20x40=4000mm squared
4000/225=17.777
17.777-1=16.777 times I have increased the cooling area of the CPU.
WITHOUT AIR COOLING OR LETTING THE SCNTIST TRY AND TELL YOU ABOUT TRYING TO HEAT THE MASS.
WHAT TEMP DOES YOUR RASPBEERY PI IDLE AT?
AND BY IDLE I MEAN WHATCH A TH-cam VIDIO!!!!
60mm FAN ON THERMAL MASS
IDLE TEMP MODLE 3 3B+ 4 BETWEEN 25 & 40C DEPENDING ON CENTRAL HEATING
I really appreciate the vids you publish, they're very relevant and well put together. Thanks.
Can't wait for you to run it on LN2
Lmao!
lol 😂
Nice job! I'll be working on a video about the Pi 4 this weekend. Will definitely try out the overclock settings.
This sounds fun. Might have to try this soon.
That took less time than I thought for somebody to already overclock this SBC.
Great video very interesting, now we have usb 3.0 , will see an external graphics card, Nvidia has some arm driver support, even if it didn't work, it would be a great video.
I think that a bit bigger copper based heat sink with a fan will help a little more with the temps.
With a cheap Heat Sink and the Little Pi-Fan, i use these on a 1gig Pi4
over_voltage=4
arm_freq=1800
gpu_freq=650
over_voltage=4
Been stable and idle is 38, Emulating is 56, and Heavy use 64
you only need over_voltage one time..
@@9001greg Ok, can you explain a little more
@@9001greg oh i see i have it twice, cheers
Think you made a mistake in the specs, everywhere I read the stock GPU clock is 500mhz not 400mhz, would also make more sense considering the gain in Open arena, only 10 fps gain with what's supposedly a 50%+ GPU overclock is pretty weak, but makes a lot more sense if it's stock at 500 MHz :)
im pretty certain of this also
nope, wrong af. 10fps = 25% uplift. Single channel ram starts becoming the bottleneck im sure.
600/500 = 1.2...aka 20% uplift in clock speed. 20% clock increase never equals 25% extra frames. Its clear something besides gpu mhz is bottlenecking fps. 620/400=1.55...aka 55% gpu mhz uplift but only 25% fps uplift. Almost guaranteed its memory bandwidth.
5% chance its a cpu bottleneck, but my balls tell me its memory bandwidth/throughput
he made many mistakes.
To everyone;
That heatsink/fan combo is ok and will do the job, but there are better heatsinks out there that are compatible with the RPi4b and will do a much better job of cooling.. Amazon and ebay are a great place to find them.
Patiently waiting on your tutorial on how to install watercooled 9900k and 2080 Ti onto my Raspberry Pi 4
@randy s Whoosh.
Ok that’s a real gain from overclocking. Wonder how long it can sustain that.
Can you overclock the ram in the same way as on a pi3 +? or is it another type of ram?
I think it will also help on CPU and GPU a bit.
what about sdram_schmoo
It's Low Power DDR4 ram clocked at 3200Mhz, you could overclock it if you really need to but that's such a huge increase over anything previous that I doubt you'll need to
Still using ABP and notepad++, blast from the past
For safety reasons I probably won't be going over 1.6/500. I am more excited about OC'ing the GPU than the CPU to be honest. That should be nice for GPU dependent stuff like the more intensive Emulators.
Why not just get better cooling so that it doesn't go above 60 Celsius, and overclock it as far as you can before it reaches 70Celsius
Another great video!
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I presume the over-voltage setting for the GPU are gpu_over_voltage. You're setting the CPU voltage twice.
You're right about him setting CPU voltage twice, but there's no such GPU voltage setting. There's over_voltage and some over_voltage_sdram* options, but that's it.
If something goes wrong, you dont even have to remove the sd card, if you have noobs. It will boot to noobs, and then to raspbian, where it will crash, however noobs can still go into recovery mode, where you can change the config.txt. Thats very helpful, as you can reboot the raspberry pi and on bootup, you can just change your settings, and see if it works. If it doesen, reboot and change the settings....Noobs is awsome.
I was able to overclock my Pi4 stable in this settings : GPU:600MHz and CPU: 2000MHz. Awesome. I using both heatsink and case with fan. Temperature is 40celcius in Idle and 60celscius on 100% stress test sysbench. 10000 point using 4threads is about 17,5s
What's your config?
Very nice to see what the new Pi4 can do. Do you think the new Flirc case will be enough to cool the Pi with overclock, or should we combine passive and active cooling? And thx for this video, had hoped already to see something like that.👍👍👍
Great video useful info!
Hey ETA, will you try Flirc Case for RPI4? Perhaps even overclock using its passive colling.
I don't believe it will fit due to the port changes on the 4.
@@KamotsTalksTech I'm talking about the new Flirc Case made for the new RPI4.
@@diegoweb900 Oh ok, I didn't realize they already had a new case for it. Very cool I will need to get one! :)
Well it'll work up to a point but once it's reached its thermal threshold I'm guessing it's going to run way too hot.
@@eLJaybud I've been working on a video with thermal and power tests. Hopefully be done this weekend.
I managed to get mine up to 2Ghz with over_voltage=1 with the GPU running at 600 Mhz, I think I can still push the GPU further, but I dont really have a good way to monitor and load the GPU. VLC works with GPU decoding in fullscreen btw. but no 4k support yet.
2ghz is pretty good. Btw, how many codes does it hqve? If it has 6 or 8 or 4, it's pretty much normal pc performance (other than that gpu)
I can’t find any details on the videocore6
I wonder it it has more cores than videocore 4
Came here for the aesthetic voice
Nice video sir. It would have been nice to have those numbers in perspective with a lowend PC CPU.
Hello! Was wondering what cooling you would recommend for use with the Retroflag PiStation case?
For those who don't want to break the warranty (by using over_voltage), 1600 / 500 are the most stable numbers for me, without adding over_voltage
Overvoltage only voids warranty if you go above 6, and that requires using force turbo. You really can't void the warranty by overvolting unless you're practically trying to.
Which case would you recommend to achieve the best passive cooling that would work with the Heatsink/Cooling fan?
I like how you were able to see the temperature and the frequency.
Can you tell me how you did that.
I think the pi 4 should be able to hit 2.1Ghz on the cpu and 800mhz on the cpu provided you have good cooling. The Pi 4 could be overkill, hell we might be able to run gamecube and psp emulation decently. I'm excited.
Speaking of power which do you think could move the psp and gc games better? this pi4 or the odroid n2?
I know I'm late for this video, but why do you set over_voltage=2 and lower over_voltage=4? Does it need both to set over voltage to 2 on CPU and to 4 on GPU, or does over_voltage=4 override the over_voltage=2?
These tiny active cooling fans are just so loud, I would rather just use good passive cooling.
Switch them to tiny noctua fans
Linustechtips reviewed some watercooling blocks for smartphones a few weeks ago. I think one of it is small enough for the pi4. Rofl
Flirc Case
Does this help much with video and TH-cam playback much?
Normally when I overclock a R-Pi, I also overclock the RAM. Did you do any testing with the RAM overclock?
I mean the ram is already at 3200Mhz does it really need the overclock
@@bearwynn Dunno, that's usually why you test these things. :) A nice 2³ test matrix would give us some more insight (CPU/GPU/RAM)
The ram is locked at 3200MHz and cannot be overclock at this time
Is there any reason you are using the fkms (fake KMS) GPU driver over a true KMS (see dtoverlay value) ?
Is Fake KMS the default setting for Raspbian or did you change it yourself ?
What about P-States? Does it lower its power consumption as original, if no performance is required? Or is this a permanent forced overclock, as long as the cfg is like this?
I want to use a PI4 as a performant ultra-low-power PC for my sleeping room. And saving even for example just 0.5W is absolutely lovely, if possible.
I think it's permanent because even when he just used the terminal the CPU clock was at 1.75 Ghz
@@HetZieltje That sucks a lot. I hope there will be another solution - even if I have to resolder the reference clock crystal oscillator. That worked on the first models at least afaik from a friend.
I want to save every Watt possible!
First off. Love your videos!
Second: Tom's hardware shows adding the overclock settings to the section labeled [Pi4] you add yours in the section below. Would you recommend one over the other or does it not matter.
I needed to follow the steps on Tom's Hardware page to be able to get my Pi to reboot.
@@Brettrc1 were you able to overclock the gpu with the firmware update. That was temporarily broken and I havent heard if they fixed it yet
What about mounting it onto a board then installing the whole lot into the Little Devil PC-V10 case but you will have to pre-pare the Raspberry Pi for extremely low temperatures with kneaded eraser to protect the electronics but the cooling probe has to be able to make contact with the CPU case in order to cool it properly also some way will be needed to start the Raspberry Pi when the probe temperature drops below minus 70 below zero at which point everything should work, you could glue the cooler probe to the CPU using epoxy Resin+hardener+Arctic-Silver.
25% uplift in quake 3 benchmark, oooooh yea
15% uplift in cpu bound processes, not bad at all
Very interesting info. Do you plan on experimenting with overclocking and RetroPie? I'm curious to know how well the Pi 4 handles N64, PSone, and Dreamcast after this overclock.
+1 on this.
My pi3b couldn't even play n64 with moderate overclock but I thought it was the ram causing the issue more than the CPU since it only has 1gb ram. This having 4 I'm very hopeful my next nacho image for the pi4 will run all the stuff.
Hoping for PlayStation too but that may be too much to ask
What fan from Noctua and heatsink you recommend to use in raspberry pi 4
More gpu memory (about 1-1.5gb to gpu), and overclock the ram to its boost frequency of 3200mhz. Should sort out your gpu stability (in theory, haven't got my pi4 yet 😅).
Any idea if pie images for 3 and 3b will work on the pie 4? Got a good image set up the way I want and hoping to just pop the sdcard in. Also do you think killer instinct will finally be able to run on this thing?
Would a flirc case be sufficient for over heating issues?
I'm trying to set up a raspberi pi 4 (8g) as a minecraft server. going to try to use this to get me some power.
Does the charger listed in the description work at 3A for the pi? I thought the pi4 doesn't support USB-PD so it would max out at 2.4a.
A cool video might be trying to adapt a stock Intel or amd cooler to the raspberry. Unfortunately the cpu is on the wrong side again unlike some raspberry pi alternatives.
Overclocked to 2GHz with "loud" Vilros 5V fan running on 3.3V rail so it's quieter. 20 minute stress test resulted in no throttling.
I should mention using included Vilros heat sinks as well.
That's nice to know. Just got their kit with the clear case.
One of the heatsinks made the 4 pin header almost inaccessible but I don't plan on using POE.
Canakit only comes with 3 sinks.
But I have the same kit.
Curious if I can get anywhere close.
First think I did is go into raspi-config and it told me overclocking not supported when I tried to click on it from the menu.
I don't want active cooling in a Pi. I hope there will be a passive heatsink that cools enough for overclocking
excellent vid,
the 8gb ram pi 4 has been released just recently, can you please advice the overclock values i can use for that ?
i think its same values. i seen a video for 2.175mhz but they said it wont last long like that cause its too much.
Is the USB C on raspberry pi just for power input or can it also be used as power+data input/output ?
Power
There's been mention of it running as both a host or device through that USB-C port, all the USB stuff is going through a single PCI-e Gen-2 lane.
From the blogpost:
The Ethernet controller on the main SoC is connected to an external Broadcom PHY over a dedicated RGMII link, providing full throughput. USB is provided via an external VLI controller, connected over a single PCI Express Gen 2 lane, and providing a total of 4Gbps of bandwidth, shared between the four ports.
@@btharper1221 Thanks Ben, Now I am looking for raspberry pi 4gb in India
@@evthink I'm still waiting in the US, I think they're getting held up on FCC certification here from what I've read, that or just less supply than demand. Definitely looks like an awesome upgrade from the already solid previous versions.
@@evthink 4gb where can i get that
Does this mean it's now (theoretically) possible to run half life 2 on the pi?
Theoretically it's possible on the pi4. Depending on settings, it should run ok. If the whole thing is written in sdl, it's going to be slow. Playing @ 4k probably won't happen. I could be wrong tho.
I really doubt it. I bet it runs fine in lighter areas of the game, but I bet it tanks when the train runs by. My core-m 7y-30 powered windows tablet shits the bed in certain parts of hl2, but runs other parts at 720p 60fps no problem.
and by other parts, I mean almost the whole game. Portal 2 runs flawlessly though, as one would expect.
Any reason you wouldn't run it on any sub 160 laptop now?
If you have the source code and can compile it for ARM Loonix then yeah.
Ace - as always
Play FULL MINECRAFT JAVA on the raspberry pi 4 (it is possible)
the raspberry pi 3B+ could already handle it better than my computer....
Is it still possible to use the official 7 inch display while doing this? Or are the pins occupied by the fan?
Pretty snazzy!
At least on Raspberry 3 with a BEQU case You can't pass over 60c or 65c even with OC, and Is complete closed case with passive cooling.
Great video. You're center terminal screen font is a bit small & dark ie. Hard to read.
*Your (possessive)
"you're = contraction of "YOU aRE"
Have you tried to USB boot without doing anything special like the 3b+. Hoping they added a multi boot feature so it will boot from any storage device.
So I used berryboot to boot to SSD and I cant seem to get to the text file. Do I change the text on the micro SD that berryboot uses or change some file on the SSD????
hello eta prime, wanted to ask which os system is on your pi4? ubuntu? do you have a link for the os system
Thanks in advance
ETA is using Rasbian Buster
@@Archerlolz thx :)
Did you do a Dreamcast test yet? I wanna know if we can finally ran Marvel be Capcom 2 at full speed
It will once they add the right drivers i tested but it seems the emulator is optimzed for pi3 and b+ for example nds runs great on pi3b+ we got it running on pi4 it runs like crap with alot of tiering and glitches but full speed of course but its not ready to go, once the devs get it ready for pi4 im sures its gonna do alot more, the drivers like audio, gamepad, video with opengl will help alot, lets hope for the best id like to see that game at full speed as well
Is this the same process for retropie? Or is it different?
I'm waiting to be able to boot off the USB 3 with an SSD!! Lol. That plus retropi with these specs and overclockability seem like I'll finally be able to play the n64/PS/Dreamcast ROMs that seem to come on every image that I can never use.
Can you show us how to make diy or buy portable power to Pi4 with 3-4A output?
So I have my rpi4 setup to dual boot Raspbian and Lakka. Now if I did all this in Raspbian will my CPU still overclock when I boot Lakka?
Can you show how it impacts 4k TH-cam videos on full screen
What about ram overclocking, did you try it?
ETA wuts your thoughts on the minisforum u300?
I want to play GTAV or pubg on that damn mini thing
ETA: Uses 2 windows for Notepad++
Notepad++'s "Other View" feature: Am I a joke to you?
Jokes aside, great video as always ETA.
The dual heatsink from 3b+ could be good? Thanks for the video dude!
It won’t fit unless you remove the POE pins on the pi 4 or shorten the heatsink
@@ETAPRIME So the same modifications as with the 3B+ then it seems...
The link for The file in dropbox doesn't work anymore FYI.
thank you
Seems I have managed -
Over_voltage=6
Arm_freq=2000
Gpu_freq=750
Over_voltage=4
Rpi-4, easycargo rpi-3 heatsink + 30mm fan.
Do you need a better than stock power supply to do this?
Well, it will use more power when overclocked.
It works fine thank you!. But how paste that stuff in Lakka confic.txt? Lakka wont boot anymore.. Can u give me a Example, where u should paste? Thanks
The A72 is a very powerful core.
Is the argon neo with a fan hat sufficient to cool an overclocked pi 4?
Do I need active cooling for a VERY VERY SMALL overclock? Raspberry 4 is amazing even on default. Few % of improvement is enough for me.
It's recommended, the coolest the CPU temperatures the longer the life span of the board will be.
Stock GPU on PI4 is 500MHz not 400Mhz