For me it's Chania, Crete or the island of Ischia near Napoli, Italy - all the way from Queensland, Australia! I've been to Zakynthos but would love to return to explore it more in depth, along with Kefalonia which seems stunning! Fantastic videos btw, been watching you for some time man, keep it up!
Many Places in Greece , i have many Friends in Greece Made in all the Years by visiting the Great Greece , Friends they stand Higher that some Familymember .
I am a Canadian expat living in Zakynthos and I simply love this video. You have caught the true essence of this island and it's hidden treasures. Simply lovely!
You don’t have to go to the most popular tourist locations or most sought out destinations in each country to experience true beauty and wonder. You really showed just that in this video. Each area of Zakynthos was breathtaking in its own way; from the serene country side to the stunning beaches, it all left me in awe.
Planos, Zakynthos. That is what attracted me to this video. My wife and I have been to Zakynthos 8 times now and the last 7 years were spent in Planos. We are going there again twice this year. Yes. If we could we would live there permanently if we could 1. find the right property and 2. have the the courage to leave everything and everyone we know and love behind in the UK. The way we see it, when we visit Zakynthos, we are not going on holiday but going home for 2 weeks.
This is by far my favorite island. I’ve been going there since 1978. Before there was a ship on shipwreck beach. My ex moved back in 2007, lives in the village of Agalas. Has travena, but will be retiring in October “22”. Will hope to go back next year. I could sit in a cafe in Keri just people watching. Enjoy your travels.
Well done Mitchell. As a local person, I'm so glad that you took the chance to visit Zakynthos. Feeling so happy for you to get to see the true beauty of Zakynthos and not stuck on the mainstream places as the most tourist do. Keep up the great work 👍 greetings from Ζάκυνθος 🏖
This is exceptionally well done. The focus on the subject (and not the presenter), the writing & editing, the commentary that is insightful. Really appreciated that this was a guide-like travelog, and not just a supercut of (as you pointed out) techno & drone shots. I've been to the Ionian 40+ times; you nailed it. One thing I will say, in respectful disagreement with your Belgian friend, is that off-season (& even wintertime) Ionian can be just as beautiful and idyllic as the summer - admittedly in very different ways. The everyone-knows-your-business element is there, and is true of most small communities, so the extra crowds in summer and focus on tourist season hospitality that they bring definitely masks it. But there's something surreally beautiful about winter grey-mist mornings where smells of burning firewood carry, and (if you're in the right place) a donkey's bray in the distance reaches your ears.
How did you get from Corfu to Zakynthos? Im going there this summer. But realised after booking ticket to Corf that there was no ferry-connection til Zakynthos
This was so wonderful, thank you! As a Greek living abroad you put into words what I feel each time I am in Greece! It may sound cheesy but you really spoke to my soul and out of it! 💝
Thank you for sharing! that unexplainable feeling of a mixture of happiness, joy, and I don´t know what. That is the reason I like to travel. I wish I would travel more. I just came from Athens, Santorini, and Istanbul. And yes it's a bummer I got Covid from traveling but I don´t regret the trip at all. It was my lifelong dream to visit Santorini, and I did. I waited two years to use those airline tickets. Also, I did not expect to like Athens so much. I did not like Istanbul as much as I hoped, although is beautiful, it was a little chaotic and crowded with people. I want to return to Greece and to other greek islands to learn and discover more!
I've been in heaven. When I met sunrise on the view point at the top of navaggio beach with my wife I fel in the sky. I have never seen before and after views like that.. never It was great moment of all my life. But then, we went to Agios Nicolaos and rented speedboat, and go through sea and blue caves to beach of navaggio. It was 5 hours full of happynes. And after that, when we went in Zante city to hotel we overturned on rental car Smart... But, It was the culmination of my emotions. It was the best day of my life. And thank you Mitchell, because I saw your video before trip in zakinthos and You Ve impressed me for my trip
As a veteran of 20+ years of visiting the less touristy islands of Greece, I have always skipped Zakynthos because of its reputation as a wild party island, to be avoided at all costs despite its stunning beauty. Wrong! I totally share every aspect of your awe of Greece and your video has convinced me that my next visit will definitely start there. Well done on a story well crafted and beautifully produced.
Im from Zakynthos! I would love to take you to the hidden gems of the island and show you what would make you love this island even more! thanks for showing its beauty!
You left out one of the most impressive things of Zakynthos! The beaches of the bay are an important nesting site for sea turtles in the mediterranean, the Caretta Caretta. I’ve been to Zante three times: As a child with my parents, at 18 to do volunteering with the local sea turtle protection society Archelon and now returned for vacation with my boyfriend, showing him the beauty of this island. It truly felt like coming home 💚 I recommend going before the high season if possible, unfortunately reckless tourism puts a lot of pressure on the islands precious ecosystem.
Lovely video on our home island! So nice to see someone who appreciates it on a deeper level making content at this level. Who needs TV studios right?? Next time you're around we'd love to take on the challenge of adding some stones you may have left unturned in your 6 visits already.. or an extra cameraman/ woman if that doesn't go against solo travel policy
Thank you for the kind words and it always means more from locals! Yea for sure, I’m always in need of good camera work so it would be great to have professional help 😄
i was in zakynthos 2 weeks ago, also hired a boat and everything but this video is the best time i could have reliving my vacation wanting to go back right now but cant...
I really loved it when you said that you are the happiest version of your self!! beautiful. This is amazing to recognize it. so come and live hear. I am from Greece , Athens and when I came for a weekend In Zakynthos , as i was laying down on the beach i desided to stay. And i live here in zakynthos now. It was nice to see the video and the appreciation of yours!! p.s. when you will come again i would love to drink coffee together or eat somewhere wonderful. contact p.s.2 Zakynthos in winter is magical. believe me !!!! p.s.3 so touched with your experience on the boat my fried !!! Love Despoina
My go to island in greece! Ive been many times, the first time when i was 12 with my parents. Going late season this year and it can't come soon enough... Great work btw 😊
I can definitely relate. I love greece and it feels like I should have been born there or lived there in the past live for those who believe in past lives. Going to zakhyntos for the first time this July and I'm so eager to try this boat ride, you inspired me to rent a boat and drive it myself.
“Like a heard of pink bison” 🤣🤣🤣 o how I’m so happy I’ve never related to this iconic British behaviour! Great vid, thanks for showcasing the beauty and honesty of this island ♥️
Just discovered your channel, Mitchell. I love your style of storytelling around your trips. I look forward to following your travel adventures in the future!
I'm just like you. Zakynthos is bringing me some joy I can never find somewhere else and I can relate with you on everything 💯 This video was giving me inner peace 🤩
I took the bus from Athens to the west coast and then a ferry to Zakynthos in 2010 and found it far from stress-inducing. On the contrary, it was relaxing - maybe not the quickest way but I definitely got to see more of the country en route.
One of the best travel videos of the island. So informative, well filmed, narrated video out there. Next time you will come to Zakynthos, please send me a message to arrange your stay! I would be very happy to do so.
Currently sat by the pool in a lovely hotel in Agios Sostis..... Zakynthos is beautiful This video has encouraged us to rent a car again for a few days to explore more ☀️😁
We're heading to Zakynthos next month - as someone who has been a few times, do you have any recommendations of restaurants you always return to, favourite bars, bakeries etc?
It's hard to live I love it too did naxos like California a bit plaka Beach excellent too nearby did mykonos creta athènes for. Transit coz too hot Santorini and creta and soon I will do this one can't wait
I’m literally going here for the first time in September this video put me at such ease luckily I’m not in the party district but I think a few nights won’t hurt anybody 😉😂
hey Mitchell, thank you so much for the outstanding work of documenting this for solo travelers !! I wanted to ask about the boat rental, whether you need any type of international driver license to rent it ?
@@aminebouaita9202 hello Amine, thanks for the kind words! No, I didn’t need my international drivers license to rent that. There’s a few boat rental people by the Sabbia Beach Bar; that’s where I rent mine when I go. Hope this helps
as far as I can see in the videos both Kefalonia and Lefkada has everything Zanthe has and more. Is there a point making the way to Zanthe if already in the neighbour islands?
You are clueless to what finding and living each place is all about. You are missing out on the uniqueness of each environment. Your question is you like meat is chicken beef lamb, all are the same so why try lamb when youve tried beef. Rhetoric.
i mean, you talking about all the mainstream things about Zakynthos that the most majority already know...! They are plenty of things to discover and discuss also that you maybe, you need to revisit ;)
my boyfrined and I (20 years old), are booked to stay at a hotel which is a 15 min walk outside zante town for 10 nights at the begining of may. we are looking for a decent night life (nice restaraunts, bars, shops, atmosphere) but are not bothered about going wild and staying in the likes of laganas. having said that .. I am worried we may get bored on the evenings staying in the one town for 10 nights as i'm not sure what the night life is like in zante town and wether there is enough to do for 10 nights. do you reccomend we book two different hotels for the duration of our holiday one in another part of the island? thanks for the video it was super informative!
I would say to book 5 nights there and then the remaining 5 nights in Argassi; that’s a really good town with great nightlife. Zante nightlife is limited to a few bars in St Marco Square. Of course, if you rent a quad (which you should) and you don’t mind quick drives, just stay where you are and drive to wherever whenever.
Where is your home away from home?...
For me it's Chania, Crete or the island of Ischia near Napoli, Italy - all the way from Queensland, Australia!
I've been to Zakynthos but would love to return to explore it more in depth, along with Kefalonia which seems stunning!
Fantastic videos btw, been watching you for some time man, keep it up!
still in search of mine. heart still might be stuck in southeast Asia. this coming from a Michigan boy. nice video brotha!
GREECE ALWAYS
Many Places in Greece , i have many Friends in Greece Made in all the Years by visiting the Great Greece , Friends they stand Higher that some Familymember .
Greece of course! My dream is to leave from Cyprus and live and die in Greece 🇬🇷
I am a Canadian expat living in Zakynthos and I simply love this video. You have caught the true essence of this island and it's hidden treasures. Simply lovely!
Ultimate compliment!
You don’t have to go to the most popular tourist locations or most sought out destinations in each country to experience true beauty and wonder. You really showed just that in this video. Each area of Zakynthos was breathtaking in its own way; from the serene country side to the stunning beaches, it all left me in awe.
Planos, Zakynthos.
That is what attracted me to this video.
My wife and I have been to Zakynthos 8 times now and the last 7 years were spent in Planos. We are going there again twice this year.
Yes. If we could we would live there permanently if we could 1. find the right property and 2. have the the courage to leave everything and everyone we know and love behind in the UK.
The way we see it, when we visit Zakynthos, we are not going on holiday but going home for 2 weeks.
I felt you were sharing a place that meant something to you, rather than just passing through. Thanks. It resonated with me, as it must with others.
This is by far my favorite island. I’ve been going there since 1978. Before there was a ship on shipwreck beach. My ex moved back in 2007, lives in the village of Agalas. Has travena, but will be retiring in October “22”. Will hope to go back next year. I could sit in a cafe in Keri just people watching. Enjoy your travels.
Greece is awesome I travel every year from Australia
Well done Mitchell. As a local person, I'm so glad that you took the chance to visit Zakynthos. Feeling so happy for you to get to see the true beauty of Zakynthos and not stuck on the mainstream places as the most tourist do. Keep up the great work 👍 greetings from Ζάκυνθος 🏖
Good evening. Can you tell me like local . We want visit Zakinthos with family. Which month better ? Thank you
Ephasito, brother
This is exceptionally well done. The focus on the subject (and not the presenter), the writing & editing, the commentary that is insightful. Really appreciated that this was a guide-like travelog, and not just a supercut of (as you pointed out) techno & drone shots. I've been to the Ionian 40+ times; you nailed it.
One thing I will say, in respectful disagreement with your Belgian friend, is that off-season (& even wintertime) Ionian can be just as beautiful and idyllic as the summer - admittedly in very different ways. The everyone-knows-your-business element is there, and is true of most small communities, so the extra crowds in summer and focus on tourist season hospitality that they bring definitely masks it. But there's something surreally beautiful about winter grey-mist mornings where smells of burning firewood carry, and (if you're in the right place) a donkey's bray in the distance reaches your ears.
We have been holidaying in Greece since 2003 !! Zakynthos and Corfu this year, heaven on earth, nowhere else I'd rather be ❤🇬🇷
How did you get from Corfu to Zakynthos? Im going there this summer. But realised after booking ticket to Corf that there was no ferry-connection til Zakynthos
@@anettestrand Hi , it's two separate holidays!
oh nice place! Visited this island for the first time this year.. amazing nature. Thanks
My home is Greece💗💗 even if I live in Romania...Greece is so beautiful🥰and the guide also🙈
Me tooo what a coincidence
so proud I am from this beautiful place.. i am in love with Zakynthos and will always be
Top tier island to be from
the magic of Greece transcends through your videos. exceptional video production!
Thank you Yanni!
been to lots of islands and Zakynthos is our favourite! Vassilikos is wonderful....love it! thanks for the video
This was so wonderful, thank you! As a Greek living abroad you put into words what I feel each time I am in Greece! It may sound cheesy but you really spoke to my soul and out of it! 💝
That's the ultimate compliment 🙏🏼
@@MitchellTravels😊❤
Thank you for sharing! that unexplainable feeling of a mixture of happiness, joy, and I don´t know what. That is the reason I like to travel. I wish I would travel more. I just came from Athens, Santorini, and Istanbul. And yes it's a bummer I got Covid from traveling but I don´t regret the trip at all. It was my lifelong dream to visit Santorini, and I did. I waited two years to use those airline tickets. Also, I did not expect to like Athens so much. I did not like Istanbul as much as I hoped, although is beautiful, it was a little chaotic and crowded with people. I want to return to Greece and to other greek islands to learn and discover more!
This format where you actually get to talk someone who knows the place (truly) is incredible . Also, any video with dry humor is my kind of video lol
Haha locals and dry humor are always something I strive for
You always love the first Greek island you go to my Greek island was Andros ..great video filmed with passion
I've been in heaven. When I met sunrise on the view point at the top of navaggio beach with my wife I fel in the sky. I have never seen before and after views like that.. never
It was great moment of all my life.
But then, we went to Agios Nicolaos and rented speedboat, and go through sea and blue caves to beach of navaggio. It was 5 hours full of happynes.
And after that, when we went in Zante city to hotel we overturned on rental car Smart... But, It was the culmination of my emotions.
It was the best day of my life.
And thank you Mitchell, because I saw your video before trip in zakinthos and You Ve impressed me for my trip
Beautiful, can't wait to see it myself 😍
As a veteran of 20+ years of visiting the less touristy islands of Greece, I have always skipped Zakynthos because of its reputation as a wild party island, to be avoided at all costs despite its stunning beauty. Wrong! I totally share every aspect of your awe of Greece and your video has convinced me that my next visit will definitely start there. Well done on a story well crafted and beautifully produced.
It gets a bad rep only because of Laganas, but it’s one of the most complete islands in Greece. Enjoy it!
Im from Zakynthos! I would love to take you to the hidden gems of the island and show you what would make you love this island even more! thanks for showing its beauty!
Where are some of those hidden gems? I’ll be heading there in a few weeks :)
I would also liked to know 😊
I’d love to know too
Going there next month, what hidden gems are there?
wow you did a great job in filming this video its so well shot! love it!
I also love Greece , i go every year at least 1 or 2 times... this summer i will go to Zakinthos 💙🇬🇷
This was so great!! We are going to Zakynthos in September and I’m so excited! You’ve convinced me that we need to rent a boat.
It’s a must 😎
I am going September too so excited!! Can’t wait either I go on the 11th for a week first time!! When do you go 💙🖐😍
@@shannondixon8653 Yay! That’s so awesome! We will be there September 8th-13th! So cool we will be there at the same time.
You left out one of the most impressive things of Zakynthos! The beaches of the bay are an important nesting site for sea turtles in the mediterranean, the Caretta Caretta. I’ve been to Zante three times: As a child with my parents, at 18 to do volunteering with the local sea turtle protection society Archelon and now returned for vacation with my boyfriend, showing him the beauty of this island. It truly felt like coming home 💚 I recommend going before the high season if possible, unfortunately reckless tourism puts a lot of pressure on the islands precious ecosystem.
So wonderfully. This video brought tears in my eyes! We’ll be going there in 2023!! Thank you Mitchell🤍
Zakynthos was the first Greek island i visited in 1996 and i have been several time since.It is a fantastic place
Bravo Mitchell, very impressive mini documentation. Keep it up. Might run into you one of these summers.
Lmao "lost LeBlanc cream his boardshorts" I'm dying 🤣
Poor guy would die...
The world still look amazing despite what happened .Thanks for sharing Mitch you're always making good video's and stories.
Lovely video on our home island! So nice to see someone who appreciates it on a deeper level making content at this level. Who needs TV studios right?? Next time you're around we'd love to take on the challenge of adding some stones you may have left unturned in your 6 visits already.. or an extra cameraman/ woman if that doesn't go against solo travel policy
Thank you for the kind words and it always means more from locals! Yea for sure, I’m always in need of good camera work so it would be great to have professional help 😄
Back to watch again.......great job my friend
I've been to greece this May 2022... I realky miss Greece specially santorini😀 Thank you for this beautiful video...😀
i was in zakynthos 2 weeks ago, also hired a boat and everything but this video is the best time i could have reliving my vacation wanting to go back right now but cant...
I really loved it when you said that you are the happiest version of your self!!
beautiful.
This is amazing to recognize it.
so come and live hear.
I am from Greece , Athens
and when I came for a weekend In Zakynthos , as i was laying down on the beach i desided to stay.
And i live here in zakynthos now.
It was nice to see the video and the appreciation of yours!!
p.s.
when you will come again i would love to drink coffee together or eat somewhere wonderful.
contact
p.s.2
Zakynthos in winter is magical.
believe me !!!!
p.s.3
so touched with your experience on the boat my fried !!!
Love
Despoina
Thank you for all that 🙏🏼 you are truly fortunate
With such a great talent in video making, travel story telling narrative skills, you should have a lot more subscribers than Los Leblanc!
Unfortunately, TH-cam and its algorithms prefer constant uploading, my friend.
My go to island in greece! Ive been many times, the first time when i was 12 with my parents. Going late season this year and it can't come soon enough... Great work btw 😊
Tolles Video 👏👏👏, wir genießen unsere Urlaubszeit auf dieser herrlichen Insel und kommen sicher wieder 👍🌞🫶
Such a well-made video! Great job 👏🏻
I can definitely relate. I love greece and it feels like I should have been born there or lived there in the past live for those who believe in past lives. Going to zakhyntos for the first time this July and I'm so eager to try this boat ride, you inspired me to rent a boat and drive it myself.
Hi Mitchell great video of the island of Zakynthos! I have visited three of the Greek islands all very beautiful. I recently visited Vasili cost
Just when that last British girl throws up in the beach he says hahaha I loved it
Greece is just amazing and this is a great video. I don't find any other European country quite like it, especially for a summer trip.
Love you! Ise xenos? Can’t believe you are not Greek! Yes, you have captured the spirit and soul of the island and country.
Thank you! Yes everyone there thinks I am and I’m honored 😁
“Like a heard of pink bison” 🤣🤣🤣
o how I’m so happy I’ve never related to this iconic British behaviour!
Great vid, thanks for showcasing the beauty and honesty of this island ♥️
👀 had to highlight it
Just discovered your channel, Mitchell. I love your style of storytelling around your trips. I look forward to following your travel adventures in the future!
Thanks Jessica! Glad you're here
I'm just like you. Zakynthos is bringing me some joy I can never find somewhere else and I can relate with you on everything 💯 This video was giving me inner peace 🤩
I took the bus from Athens to the west coast and then a ferry to Zakynthos in 2010 and found it far from stress-inducing. On the contrary, it was relaxing - maybe not the quickest way but I definitely got to see more of the country en route.
Existential crisis-inducing*
My favorite TH-camr is back!
fantastic video, AS ALWAYS
Really enjoyed watching
EXCELLENT VIDEO AND I LOVE GREECE AS WELL
Meraviglia..❤❤❤sono stata 2 anni fa..e un paradiso .mi manca ti amo Grecia ❤❤❤🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Beautiful narrations! I enjoyed all of your travel vlogs.
Hey I am from Zakynthos! It really is nice.
Very well made video
One of the best travel videos of the island. So informative, well filmed, narrated video out there. Next time you will come to Zakynthos, please send me a message to arrange your stay! I would be very happy to do so.
Currently sat by the pool in a lovely hotel in Agios Sostis..... Zakynthos is beautiful
This video has encouraged us to rent a car again for a few days to explore more ☀️😁
Bruh the roast of their nightlife was just chefs kiss 😂😂👌🏻
Been there last year solo... Wish I had had more time to explore it further...
Next time you come and visit, say hello and come and visit Tislivi , great Podcast.
My home away from home, in a week, I'll be back here. 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇬🇷
Great video, almost went to Zakynthos to work this year, but ended up headed for Gozo instead!
Curious, what's the song at 13:30?
Lovely
I love that you love Hellas so much. You could always learn the language and stay there for a while.
The greatest nation
Beautiful video 👍👍👍👍 love it. 🇮🇹🇮🇹🇮🇹
Spot on! TV quality!
The road of Vasilikos Zakynthos is like dream
i couldn't agree more i'm going to Zakynthos again in sept for if i rem correctly for my 6th time x
In zacynthus ISELAND I am so close to nature .
"when that last british girl pukes outside a beachside bar" I subscribed to your channel for this sentence :D
Compact and precise
Visiting Zakynthos and was wondering where exactly did you take the "reposeful stroll"? Looks amazing!
Fantastic 👏
This clip is elite 👌🏼
Greece is maybe the only country in the world where a shipwreck may become a tourist attraction. 😀
We're heading to Zakynthos next month - as someone who has been a few times, do you have any recommendations of restaurants you always return to, favourite bars, bakeries etc?
This makes me want to go to Greece like now
What was the Olive farm you were in? Great video!
Thank you! The farm featured was on the side of the road very close to the Avalon Palace Hotel
It's hard to live I love it too did naxos like California a bit plaka Beach excellent too nearby did mykonos creta athènes for. Transit coz too hot Santorini and creta and soon I will do this one can't wait
I’m literally going here for the first time in September this video put me at such ease luckily I’m not in the party district but I think a few nights won’t hurt anybody 😉😂
This was my favoirte greek island becasue it felt very traditional and not touristy. I also stayed on the desolate side of the island btw.
Do you have any recommendations on were to live when you are visiting? Not in any party-area. Thanks!
Haha i love it! Thanks!
I hope that Laganas is ready for us , here come the crazy Serbs baby !
hey Mitchell, thank you so much for the outstanding work of documenting this for solo travelers !! I wanted to ask about the boat rental, whether you need any type of international driver license to rent it ?
@@aminebouaita9202 hello Amine, thanks for the kind words! No, I didn’t need my international drivers license to rent that. There’s a few boat rental people by the Sabbia Beach Bar; that’s where I rent mine when I go. Hope this helps
My island ❤️
Simply the best
Is it worth going in late September/ early October?
as far as I can see in the videos both Kefalonia and Lefkada has everything Zanthe has and more. Is there a point making the way to Zanthe if already in the neighbour islands?
You are clueless to what finding and living each place is all about. You are missing out on the uniqueness of each environment. Your question is you like meat is chicken beef lamb, all are the same so why try lamb when youve tried beef. Rhetoric.
What is the song at 12:05?
Thanks for the answer.
“a British girl pukes outside a beach bar”, think i’ve heard this one before 🤣🤣
Also U could go to Budapest,Hungary (-where I am from) similar like Paris..
How many days in Zakynthos would you recommend? Is September a good time to visit?
Hey Mitchell! Where did you rent the ATV in Zakynthos? Looked really nice and would love to do that as well when I get there next week!
i mean, you talking about all the mainstream things about Zakynthos that the most majority already know...!
They are plenty of things to discover and discuss also that you maybe, you need to revisit ;)
I am Greek and I feel blessed
Just when you travel to zakynthos if you have the flexibility (more than 3-4 days) pick the correct day for the shipwreck beach ✌️
my boyfrined and I (20 years old), are booked to stay at a hotel which is a 15 min walk outside zante town for 10 nights at the begining of may. we are looking for a decent night life (nice restaraunts, bars, shops, atmosphere) but are not bothered about going wild and staying in the likes of laganas. having said that .. I am worried we may get bored on the evenings staying in the one town for 10 nights as i'm not sure what the night life is like in zante town and wether there is enough to do for 10 nights. do you reccomend we book two different hotels for the duration of our holiday one in another part of the island?
thanks for the video it was super informative!
I would say to book 5 nights there and then the remaining 5 nights in Argassi; that’s a really good town with great nightlife. Zante nightlife is limited to a few bars in St Marco Square.
Of course, if you rent a quad (which you should) and you don’t mind quick drives, just stay where you are and drive to wherever whenever.