Terminus Zeus Action | NEW
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 มี.ค. 2020
- New Terminus Zeus Action. Feeds reliably, very smooth, and lots of features make this one of the best custom action choices on the market. Joel gives you a surface level overview of his first 500 rounds on this new gun, and what you can expect for upcoming vids.
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Joel’s customer service is outstanding. Took the time to call me back and answer all my questions. Just ordered one today.
Excellent company Joel is a top notch individual to work with.
Awesome video. That action has a lot of really nice features!
Thanks man.
Excellent video and helped me seal the deal on my action choice. Going with the Terminus Apollo Lite/TI for my lightweight 7WSM build.
Awesome!
Awesome vid Joel!
Thanks buddy.
Yes, please! I’ll take 2 of those!
In the next video, can you comment on the bolt life compared to a impact/lone peak action? Awesome content!
I would like to request hourly videos to help combat having to stay indoors 😉
LOL no joke. I was just saying to the wife tonight, that I should bust out a bunch of vids the next few weeks.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork do you like the nucleus from american rifle company
@@hantus77 I saw their stuff at Shotshow, but have never personally used one. I'm told they are excellent from folks who own them. I just don't have any hands on experience with them.
Great video! So the quick-change system. You find it to be reliable over a full thread install?
I don’t know **** about these precision rifles but just got a Curtis customs vector action, MPA chassis, Huber 2 stage trigger in a 22BR for 1700 bucks. Excited to get into long range.
The Zeus is awesome. Love mine. I can say with my 6.5CM I've noticed that without a loaded mag, the bolt is little loose. As soon as I pop in a loaded mag it tightens up and feeds amazingly smooth. Just crazy how much smoother it is than the Remmy 700 action I had in the chassis previously. The trigger pin is so fast and easy.
Thanks.. I wondered how tight it ( the bolt )was .
Another good video - thanks! Side question whats the length of the legs on the tank trap?
John Cooper Thanks! I think they are 7ft. Had to cut them down so they’d fit in the back of my jeep. lol
Looks nice! We need some more 5-8 hundred dollar actions for us poors though.
My thoughts exactly.
In reality you could get a Remington 700 rifle and have it blueprinted and put trigger in it and have something "comparable"......key word "COMPARABLE" .....For probably less and have the ability to run long actions. But you would still be throwing good money at bad money.
@@kirkmartin2223 Not true.
It will cost you around $1000-$1200 just to have a 700 blueprinted and able to accept an after market barrel. Factor in the cost of the action and a factory 700 is NOT worth it. You pay nearly 1400 to have a 700 ready to go, and it still doesn't have the feature set of a true custom action.
Buy a bergara or get a used bighorn I've seen them for $550-600
Your best option is to buy a tikka and strip it down and build off that.
They are better than some customs imo
just a heads up when putting the firing pin back together try your best to only turn it that little bit since if you over turn it you will decoct the firing pin and will have to manually reset the it which is a SOB
lol yes agree. Thanks.
Reminds me of a Curtis!
lol because they both had the same engineer. They are almost identical, but the Terminus has some nice improvements over the original (Curtis) design.
Hey Joel, how did you like the Terminus Zeus 60 throw and travel in comparison to an Impact 737R or Defiance Deviant/Ruckus? Could you say if the throw of the Zeus is significantly heavier than the Impact or Defiance actions? If, would you recommend the shorter heaver 60 throw or the longer lighter 90 throw? Thank you!
Hey, love the channel! Silly question, did your terminus action come with action screws or did you have to source your own? And if so which action screws or some call them bottom metal screws did you use?
Honestly I can’t remember. I just had it sent directly to my gunsmith and he put the rifle together. Sorry. 🤷🏻♂️
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork thank you! I like an idiot am trying to rush to put a rifle together at the last minute before hunting season and I don’t want any surprises as I will be eagerly waiting in the mail for all the bits and pieces to do a full custom. I appreciate your help!
Good gosh that’s a sexy gun.
Joel did you make stocks some years ago? Believe you may be same guy we worked with for our 416 Lapua Mag compatible action?
Negative. Not I.
Hey Joel, would the Terminus bolt work in the Vector ?
perry de gouveia no idea. I wouldn’t try that if I were you. Sounds like a recipe for pressure and disaster.
Hey Joel how are you liking the Terminus so far? Thinking about picking up an Apollo lite for a hunting build and you are the only one putting out any feedback on these, thanks!
Hey. I’m really enjoying it. I would say, buy with confidence. I think it’s one of the nicest actions on the market. Only complaint I have is that the threaded bolt knob comes loose once in awhile. lol maybe I should just locktight it. 🤔
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork much appreciated
Glad to see another player in the market. Who's going to be the one that pushes the market under $1k?
valid question. There are a few good options out there (defiance, zermatt). I don't think the price will drop that much as long as people keep buying the $1400 actions. When an $800 action comes out and is actually "just as good" as the $1400 action, then maybe.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork I think the Origin from Zermatt hints in that direction. The use of chromoly isn't a downgrade, and a pinned lug not much of a downgrade, and all the basic feature set remains. The high cost of intergral lugs and/or rails will likely keep that over 1K indefinitely, but I'm expecting more Origin-style rivals to enter the market.
G5 prices of good rifles are generally on the decline, I agree. That’s a good thing.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Aero Precision just may do it.
It'd be nice if they made bolts sized for Grendel/ARC/Valkyrie/6.8 SPC because I'd choose one of these over a Bighorn.
Why would you choose it over a Bighorn? Thanks
I'm glad I saw your post.I was mwanting to build a good long "rang÷ 6mmARC so this action is a non starter for me.
@@TexasTrained I honestly have had no experience with either and have only read forum posts! I like idea of a shorter bolt throw with the three lug action, and prefer less bolt slop when extended, which probably doesn't actually matter that much unless it is extreme.
@@dahut3614 I've always favored a 3 Lug myself but they seem to be less favorable now.I think they are strong for recoil. And the ones I've had we faster to me.
Most Rem 700 and clones that I've seen have a ,700 diameter bolt!
Traditional Rem700 bolts are .695” while the Terminus is .725”
I'm not sure so I will ask... is it able to accommodate a 6.5 PRC ?good video.Real helpcul
Thanks for watching!
In answer to your question, yes. The Zeus short action can accommodate the PRC as it is a short action caliber.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Thank you for answering my question on a 6.5 PRC. Also will it require a Magnum bolt as it looks to have the same size cartridge head as a 7mm Remington Magnum? Thanks,Happy Eastet.
@@TexasTrained Happy Easter!
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Hey Joel
For 300 WSM Hunting, what action will you use?
That is a chunky barrel, what are the specs? Straight taper ending in...?
actually I think it may just be the angle of the photo. It's an M24 or maybe MTU contour.
How is the Zeus performing? Highly contemplating a build with this action.
It’s excellent! I really like it. Got another video on it coming out this Thursday. It will be about the ease of the switch barrel system.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork awesome I want to build one with a 6gt comp barrel a 223 rem trainer barrel and a 7 SAUM do you think this is the action to go for with the quick change barrel system?
@@joeydoell1511 it’s a great choice for sure, but I’m guessing you’ll need different bolts as well. You can’t swap out bolt faces on the terminus.
Contemplating an ELR build. This is the only action that draws my attention away from another Origin. Do you think it's still worth it if I were to opt out of the quick change set screws?
I think so. You can keep the set screws option and just torque the barrel on anyway. Then you have the option should you change your mind later.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork I seem to remember seeing somewhere that they suggest a full thread tennon for the norma mags and up. But I may just call when I'm ready to order.
@@JacksonMalcolm you’re probably right. I guess I didn’t catch the part about it being a magnum build.
Is that a quick change barrel or fully threaded?
This is the prefit or "quick change" version.
Have the barrel set screws worked well for you?
Yes. 100%. No issues at all.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Cool, thanks.
It looks exactly like a Curtis Vector Action, What do you think about comparing to Impact action?
I have had a Curtis for almost two years before getting the Terminus. They both were designed by the same man/team.
I don't currently own an impact. They would have to give me one in order for me to do a review. Thanks for watching.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork Awesome, So from what I saw in your video in your honest opinion you will recommend the Terminus because it has a just better bolt lift, I have been thinking on getting a Curtis or an Impact but I just haven't decide, I was told about the Terminus but I never say a close comparison as you did to a Curtis, one thing I like is the 60 degree bolt lift, I think Impact it has a 90 degree. Thanks for the info.
@@markahdz I would recommend the Terminus over the Curtis because of the chamfering or rounding of a lot of the surfaces on the bolt. It just feels smoother. I also like the threaded trigger pins, and so far it's proving to feed more reliably than my Curtis did. I'm told the Impact is a nice action too.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork After you told me about Joel Russo, I started digging about him and I found a forum where he post that he left Curtis and start his own company, since he owns the patent on that action he started to improve it, I definitely going with a Terminus, thank you so much for the information you bring to us, stay safe and thank you again.
My vector you need to hold the bolt handle as close to the bore as possible and run slow or it’ll bind to a stop. It’s a piece of crap.
Good to see the terminus is made with good quality control and no sharp edges because that’s what’s fucked on my vector.
Will be replacing with a terminus for sure because the bolt lift and close is great and the other features are great to. The bolt throw is horrible though. Any $500 rifle off the shelf is 100 times better.
the stacche what mags are you trying to feed from also what caliber and chassis or traditional stock?
What rings are those?
www.americanrifle.com
So the action has a comma in the price tag and is half the price of the chassis....for the action? I’ll take two, do they take cash?
Tomahawk Tom what?
What profile is the barrel?
I'm sorry, I actually have no idea.
Vomact it really looks like a heavy varmint or m24 contour.
@@JB-kf3yb Thanks for the info!. Nice Rig.
I'm sorry to say it but it looks like a curtis vector clone. Looks identical from the angles of the action, the bolt, the switch barrel grub screws ect... is there a difference or is it a specced action that someone produces and everyone can buy from or is there genuinely a new design ? Price is even the same
perry de gouveia Joel Russo is the man who created the vector. He split from Curtis customs and took his action design with him and mad improvements to the action that make it even better. Joel is one of the good ones in the industry. I have a early vector and will have his Helios soon.
perry de gouveia looks like Jayson already answered you. He’s correct. Did you watch the whole video? Thought I explained it in there. 🤷🏻♂️
Makes sense now, I was wondering if someone else was manufacturing the actions like with SAC and defiance where they are the same action but different names. Sorry if my message came across as insulting or derogatory, not my intention at all. Been a massive fan of this channel from when it had less than 1k subs. Keep it up Joel, great work
@@perrydegouveia5403 Thanks! I did not think you were being insulting. All good man. Anymore it's very hard to tell attitude behind people's words.
Man, I feel like a red-headed stepchild, I only have a lowly Axiom
People still seem to be reporting feeding issues with the Zeus on SH.
Matthew Hoffmann got a link to the thread? I’m on there often. I must be missing those posts.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork It is in the main Zeus thread: Post #177 mentions issue with bolt block by mag with upward pressure with Accurate 300WSM and Accurate 308.
Post #184 same guy mentions duct tape fixes upward pressure issue.
Post #212 same guy mentions Magpul AICS also bing upward but again duct tape fix it. Says AW is smooth and no bind with 6.5 cm.
Post #246 diff guy cant get AW to work but did not put much time trying to adjust them.
Post #262 diff guy says AW works with 22 BR.
Post #331 Dthomas3523 Says his is "feeding like shit", thinks AW might work if mag catch is trimmed.
Post #334 "My Zeus ran aics and arc mags flawlessly. Only tried the aw mags once and had some hiccups"
Post #334 "Running 6mm GT I had problems with MDT, AW, AM Mags with AM Mags being least problematic with the Zeus." "Tried a Magpul and seemed to feed real smooth."
Post #339 Indicates some feeding issues may be specific to 6GT and not the Zeus.
Post #340 Says 6GT runs fine in his Lone Peak.
Post #342 dthomas "If you hold an aw mag up tight to the receiver it seems to feed well."
Post #343 "The MDT's were horrible, kept nose diving with full mag. Wouldn't feed at all. With the AM I had one hiccup. With Magul, I only had 2 dummy rounds to try and both went smoothly. Would need a full mag to really see if there are issues."
Post #344 "In my case, it’s the rear of the case diving. And no amount of opening the lips fixes it 100%. Lone peak runs perfectly. I may put the terminus up in the PX."
Post #348 dthomas "The zues does have a ledge that prevents the over insertion that was a problem with Curtis."
Post #358 dthomas "Anyone running BR cartridges in a Zues (6br, dasher, bra, brx, etc)? If so, what mags and/or kits are you using?"
It isn't a whole lot about it one way or the other, some people seem ok and some not. One guy has over-insertion issues but then dthomas says it has a ledge to prevent it. I have a curtis vector and I can do what you did in the video, the real question is how does it behave if you remove the scope and clamp up the rear of the mag to the scope rail or just leave the scope on it and prop the rifle up with all pressure on the rear of the magazine. And repeat for AW mags. My Vector sure as shit doesn't work with upward pressure. I would love to switch to a Zeus but I am skeptical of it running flawlessly. I even ordered a Xylo to see if that fancy mag catch will allow me to run AICS without over-insertion. AW mags will grind but you can force it forward in my Vector.
@@raining1975 lol thanks for typing all of that out. You definitely didn't need to go to that effort. I have a problem with the assumption that there's something wrong with an action because/after you have intentionally set it up in a condition that wouldn't happen under normal circumstances. I'm not accusing you of doing that. Literally every action, mag, chassis, and stock combo I own will have issues if I push the mag too hard from the bottom or front. (except my AI-AT) This isn't a normal condition. Very rarely, if ever, have I ran into issues during a competition in that way. Basically I'm saying, there's no need to put that much pressure up into the magazine or from the front.
The only Curtis VS. Terminus statement I made in this video was about the terminus feeling smoother than the Curtis because it has no sharp edges.
Each person has their own experiences, and my Curtis doesn't feed 6 Dasher or even 6GT reliably. I admitted it might be a magazine issue. I will eventually put the 6GT barrel on my Terminus action and see if it runs smoothly. If so, it would be safe to say that the Terminus bolt size is a win in that department. Bottom line for me, I think you can force or fabricate a condition where any of these actions don't run reliably. That's not a fair way to do things in my opinion.
@@raining1975 Also, I believe there was a "version 1" of the Terminus that had a few minor issues. They corrected those immediately. Mine is the version 2, and I haven't had issues.
@@PrecisionRifleNetwork , I think the main problem is the mag is captured in the front so sliding the rifle up against a bag on a barricade can pivot the rear of the magazine upwards, especially on stocks/chassis that don't have as good of a stop as the MDT ACC. I know MPA has a little plastic thing to install on their chassis to prevent upward pressure from causing problems. The Xylo is supposed to have a hump on the mag latch to prevent over-insertion so clearly it is something that people desire even if it only happens a fraction on the time. I have no doubt the Terminus is better then the Vector but I still want a rifle to feed reliably and not when I baby the rifle. All it takes is 1 awkward stage where there is upward pressure on the mag and makes you a sad panda.
Cool action but they are no better than a blueprinted Rem Mod 700 action
each to their own. I prefer the threaded trigger pins, quick change barrel option, and precision tolerances.
No doubt they are beautiful pieces of engineering but is there a difference on paper, in the end that's what matters @@PrecisionRifleNetwork
Well, when all the present shitfullness has been concluded ....... I will of course, be requiring one of these.
Sorry you experienced hate and ignorance.
You lost me when you said the action alone was $1500.