One day these puzzles will appear in museums and there will be art catalogues out with them ... Thank you very much to all the setters and to Mark, Simon and Sven!
I love how this puzzle opens from the outside in, almost like you're unlocking a tomb by finding the logic in each concentric ring. Definitely a Tomb of Whispers!
Simon I love how punctual you are with your videos I don't even need the bell on to know when your video airs and I love that cause notifications are an annoying need for most things so it's nice not needing one for once P.s. you're awesome 😁
TH-cam has a scheduling feature =P On rare occasions Simon hasn't left enough time to be able to record and edit a video into time to have it uploaded and processed, but I don't remember a recent time. I believe they've gotten used to "puzzles may be hard", and therefore try to record early in the day.
Ah, always lovely to end up with a fully coloured grid. It's been so satisfying to give lows, highs, and fives their own colours and go round the grid, making it pretty. Oh, and the logic was incredible, too. The German whispers line in and around box 5 was so powerful once you filled in some digits in the cages... loved that part. Took me about an hour which I'm happy with.
As soon as he places the 6 around 22.00, the middle whispers line cannot contain a 6 anymore. It also can't contain a 5. From that, the 1234 quadruple in the middle follows, and the other 3 numbers on the line have to be high digits.
I avoid this colouring until I know the parity - otherwise I *assume* blue is low and orange is high even if I don't know it yet. Instead I often use light and dark grey at first, until lI know which his which.
I made swift progress to start, thinking I may actually solve a Simon puzzle near his solve time for once. Then I hit a wall and had to struggle though. Still, solved it in 1:06:15. I'll take it!
37:52. Very well constructed puzzle. I think there really was only 1 way to approach it. By going from killer cages starting from 19 going clockwise limiting the digits which eventually lead to limits on where the 5 could be and limits on what the whisper clues could be. Everything seems to follow pretty straightforwardly, but it was never easy.
A really neat feature in the solving platform would be "layers" of color that could be shown/hidden, so e.g. you could hide the "positions of 9" layer, put in the "maybe there's a set thing" layer, then when that was fruitless turn the latter off and the former back on, instead of having to either delete shading or confusingly overlap
I spent so long on this one but got there in the end without any mistakes. Just gotta be more observant I guess :) I love that Bobbins Bot was one of the creators, but well done - and thank you - to all of you!
Thought Experiment: Imagine if people just decided to one day STOP sending Simon all these hand-crafted artwork-quality SUDOKU puzzles. Imagine how bland and lifeless his world would become overnight, by comparison to the bliss, ecstasy, and euphoria which he exhibits on a daily basis. Let's hope that never happens.
That would be very weird for him, yeah... I solved a machine generated Sudoku the other day after the onslaught of CTC puzzles from all their apps. Can't say I enjoyed that very much...
22:00 for me. I didn’t find this one that hard, I knew at every moment where to look next. I guess there are some puzzles that just work better for different people.
Same here. It really wasn't that difficult given the cage totals. The 19 (for example) needed two high numbers and three low - the only way it works in 12367 and that forces the other three cages.
@@adrianhead6272 One thing I noticed once I had the sixes in column 4 and 6 was that I knew the parity of the center line. Still i got stuck though, looking for hints in the video.
Thanks for yet another clever puzzle. I resolved the middle line differently by noticing the 6 couldn't be on the line in box 5 and hence the 4 corners couldn't be high.
Does anyone else get weirdly invested in which colours get picked to be highlight colours? I always root for blue to get used far more than I should. I was really happy when it was selected here
It's such a nice blue!! I like the puzzles to visually LOOK beautiful if he's going to colour them in. I don't want to be introduced to something jarring in the midst of something so beautiful and soothing as these puzzles and solves. (As a probable-autistic, too much contrast can lead quickly to sensory overload, but let's not pretend asthetics don't actually matter for their own sake either.) It's hard. I don't know what our colourblind friends experience or how the low contrast irritates them, and I don't want to do them a disservice, but at the same time I would pay to have the option to get rid of that ugly-ass green and purple combination... It's tricky. For us as individuals who watch the channel every day, it feels like a big part of our lives, we feel we have a vested interest. But for Simon and Mark, each of us is just one of hundreds of thousands and I don't want them to feel like they owe us something (outside of their regular great content that they choose to produce) or that they are owned by us in any way. And they can't please all of the people all of the time. But yes, I do get invested in the colours. The blue is underutilised in my opinion, but so is the yellow.
Once you've gone around the ring of cages you get the parity of the central german whisper line. You have 6 in R2C4 and also R8C6, so you know the 6 in the central box is in column 5. You can see the corners of the central box must be all high or all low, so the 6 disambiguates the parity of the line.
37:47 finish. When Simon was attempting to eliminate a 5 from r4c2 to make an x- wing, he could have used the logic that a 5 in the cell would have made the line a duplicate of the one in the 19 cage, meaning that there would be three 1-7 cells in row 2.
As soon as you know the 6's in boxes 2 and 8 (or 4 and 6), you can work out the parity of the center German whisper line (as they prohibit 6's in the corners of box 5).
Once the sixes in boxes 2 and 8 are placed, you know the parity of the central line -- the way it weaves in and out of box 5 means the corners of that box are all the same parity so must be either 1234 or 6789, and those two sixes see all four of those cells, forcing the former.
As soon as he glossed over that I knew he'd find a weird backdoor way of finding the parity. So many puzzles he'll have a single step where he eschews the logic given to him and somehow finds another way to get there, probably to the amazement of the puzzle setters. It's like that scene in Men In Black 2 when Jay is convinced that the clue in the picture in the store is pointing around the room to different things pointing elsewhere when really the picture is just pointing right at a key that's like a foot away.
Simon, I know we can only creat classic sudoku in the sudoku pad. However,I have come up with an idea that we can use different colours to indicate different constraints and rules.For instance, use red for indicating cages , yellow for renban line , gray for thermo and so on.With the help of multi colouring, we can overlap different clues together.Finally we can email you and mark to have a try of the puzzle built by viewers. Simon want do you think.
You can actually find the parity of the middle whispers line as soon as you have a few sixes looking at the middle box. The 4 cells that pass through the middle box are all either low or high and see eachother. Therefore if none of them can be 6, they cannot be four high digits and have to be the low digits on the wispers line.
This one took me nearly 75 minutes to complete. Boy I wish I could do some of these things in my head, but I'm more of a visual solver. Needed that pad of paper to see how to best solve this one.
This was a very cool puzzle, but also very difficult - I took about an hour and a half. But I think Simon could have saved some trouble at the start by noting that each of the cages must have a 1 - because of the lines, they have two digits adding to at least 13 (6+7), so the other three must be at most 8 (less for the 19 and 20 cages), which needs a 1.
53:30 - I got something screwed up and had to start over. At least once I got as far as I did, I knew to start on the middle diamond as soon as I got the 6's in columns 4 & 6. I used the exact opposite color scheme as Simon.
can the new app (or the older sudoku variety apps) be installed on a pc? the larger screen makes the interaction so much more pleasant and easier on the eyes :-)
A question about the new app: Could one set cages, arrows ect? If not, will those options be in future updates? I'm trying to set something cool, and I would like to use such options...
A (not very well kept secret) is that puzzles made in f-puzzles may be played on the CTC app if that's your tool of choice. Sven and Eric have as far as I know more or less feature parity in terms of what puzzle types the two tools support, even though they have very different interfaces.
@@Tahgtahv Well I guess it's at least a somewhat kept secret because this is news to me! I would have done the entirety of the 20 Approachables Patreon set for this month in the CTC app if I knew I could! I'm guessing I can find out how to make this magic happen by searching the discord server?
Does anyone know how to make the corner pencil marks not cover the killer clues like in the video? I've played with the "Large digits" option but still having trouble reading the killer clues.
Would it make sense to add something to the software that once a rule is resolved, such as a cage resolved it fades off the grid? Great solve as ever. :)
Why would you want that? Sometimes a rule still works in conjunction with another rule, or is still useful to see, even once it's been solved - which allows other digits to be placed, or to ensure correctness. For example, negative constraints NEED the rule markings to keep showing, else you might forget you were following the rule before the marking disappeared and, when you look back, assume you made an error. Or, say, skyscrapers - these inform you not to place higher/lower digits in certain places even when the original 'tallest' have been placed. At best then, every puzzle would need specific instructions as to when to fade COMPLETELY finished rule markings (ie - when they do not lead to any future deduction), as opposed to just when numbers are filled into the boxes - which would require more work from the setters to provide additional information to add to the puzzle's coding.
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I love how excited Simon gets at the beautiful deductions when he's solving the puzzles.
One day these puzzles will appear in museums and there will be art catalogues out with them ...
Thank you very much to all the setters and to Mark, Simon and Sven!
“Demented sine waves.” As an earthquake engineer, this really resonates with me 😄
I see what you did there.
Bit of a Tangent though...
So you’re the jerk out there engineering all these earthquakes!? Why has nobody stopped you yet?
@@elrichthain he's just trying to shake things up a little...
@@elrichthain oh come on, it's not his *fault*
Thank you for covering this Simon! As always, it was an absolute joy to watch you solve :)
Sven is the unsung hero of CTC! I can’t wait to load puzzles in the new app.
"1 is not a high digit" - the things I learn on Cracking the Cryptic...
That’s a Cracking the Cryptic knowledge bomb for you!
I love how this puzzle opens from the outside in, almost like you're unlocking a tomb by finding the logic in each concentric ring. Definitely a Tomb of Whispers!
I'm glad you like the name :)
-Tob Snibbob
Simon I love how punctual you are with your videos I don't even need the bell on to know when your video airs and I love that cause notifications are an annoying need for most things so it's nice not needing one for once
P.s. you're awesome 😁
TH-cam has a scheduling feature =P On rare occasions Simon hasn't left enough time to be able to record and edit a video into time to have it uploaded and processed, but I don't remember a recent time. I believe they've gotten used to "puzzles may be hard", and therefore try to record early in the day.
@@Tahgtahv oh is that when maverick showed up?
@@Blarg32150 maybe the real sudoku is the mavericks we meet along the way
Of course, if the orange line starts with a high digit, you get a demented cosine wave. But I’m sure you all knew that.
Ah, always lovely to end up with a fully coloured grid. It's been so satisfying to give lows, highs, and fives their own colours and go round the grid, making it pretty.
Oh, and the logic was incredible, too. The German whispers line in and around box 5 was so powerful once you filled in some digits in the cages... loved that part.
Took me about an hour which I'm happy with.
Thanks to Fourier Analysis, everything is a demented sine wave.
exactly!
37:40
Simon: My tummy is rumbling.
Me: Is that Maverick flying past?
Very elegant and beautiful puzzle and solve. Thank you!
As soon as he places the 6 around 22.00, the middle whispers line cannot contain a 6 anymore. It also can't contain a 5. From that, the 1234 quadruple in the middle follows, and the other 3 numbers on the line have to be high digits.
And as often happens, goes on to find a more complicated process, which he says is lovely and must be the way it is meant to be.
I for one appreciate the blue and orange, because I use I think of them as being temperatures (hot and cold)
Yeah, I was thinkibg about that. Blue & yellow probably would have worked? Still, can't have everything.
I avoid this colouring until I know the parity - otherwise I *assume* blue is low and orange is high even if I don't know it yet. Instead I often use light and dark grey at first, until lI know which his which.
Beautiful work from a powerhouse team. Great puzzle and lovely to see Simon's joy at the solve.
I made swift progress to start, thinking I may actually solve a Simon puzzle near his solve time for once. Then I hit a wall and had to struggle though. Still, solved it in 1:06:15. I'll take it!
The error checking feature in the app is really great. Helps with not putting repeat digits in.
Music of the spheres. Beautiful.
37:52. Very well constructed puzzle. I think there really was only 1 way to approach it. By going from killer cages starting from 19 going clockwise limiting the digits which eventually lead to limits on where the 5 could be and limits on what the whisper clues could be.
Everything seems to follow pretty straightforwardly, but it was never easy.
A really neat feature in the solving platform would be "layers" of color that could be shown/hidden, so e.g. you could hide the "positions of 9" layer, put in the "maybe there's a set thing" layer, then when that was fruitless turn the latter off and the former back on, instead of having to either delete shading or confusingly overlap
Still waiting for 3D Sudoku ...
@@susanne5803 tbh i bet someone's done it
Haven't made it to the solve yet but just wanna say "demented sine waves" is an amazing way to describe the German whispers rule 🤣
There seems to be a neat theme of how many different ways can you force R3/7c5 and R5c3/7 to be unique. That center cross keeps coming up.
I spent so long on this one but got there in the end without any mistakes. Just gotta be more observant I guess :) I love that Bobbins Bot was one of the creators, but well done - and thank you - to all of you!
Thought Experiment: Imagine if people just decided to one day STOP sending Simon all these hand-crafted artwork-quality SUDOKU puzzles. Imagine how bland and lifeless his world would become overnight, by comparison to the bliss, ecstasy, and euphoria which he exhibits on a daily basis. Let's hope that never happens.
Well there is also logic masters Germany that they take puzzles from.
But it would be sad if he was isolated from all Sudoku
That would be very weird for him, yeah... I solved a machine generated Sudoku the other day after the onslaught of CTC puzzles from all their apps. Can't say I enjoyed that very much...
22:00 for me. I didn’t find this one that hard, I knew at every moment where to look next. I guess there are some puzzles that just work better for different people.
Same here. It really wasn't that difficult given the cage totals. The 19 (for example) needed two high numbers and three low - the only way it works in 12367 and that forces the other three cages.
@@adrianhead6272 One thing I noticed once I had the sixes in column 4 and 6 was that I knew the parity of the center line.
Still i got stuck though, looking for hints in the video.
Thanks for yet another clever puzzle. I resolved the middle line differently by noticing the 6 couldn't be on the line in box 5 and hence the 4 corners couldn't be high.
"this is a beautiful square" , so Simon has advanced from calling puzzles beautiful to calling individual squares beautiful. :D
“German whispers” reminds me of the famous scene from “Der Untergang”.
Does anyone else get weirdly invested in which colours get picked to be highlight colours? I always root for blue to get used far more than I should. I was really happy when it was selected here
I just root for anything colorblind friendly lol
It's such a nice blue!!
I like the puzzles to visually LOOK beautiful if he's going to colour them in. I don't want to be introduced to something jarring in the midst of something so beautiful and soothing as these puzzles and solves. (As a probable-autistic, too much contrast can lead quickly to sensory overload, but let's not pretend asthetics don't actually matter for their own sake either.)
It's hard. I don't know what our colourblind friends experience or how the low contrast irritates them, and I don't want to do them a disservice, but at the same time I would pay to have the option to get rid of that ugly-ass green and purple combination...
It's tricky. For us as individuals who watch the channel every day, it feels like a big part of our lives, we feel we have a vested interest. But for Simon and Mark, each of us is just one of hundreds of thousands and I don't want them to feel like they owe us something (outside of their regular great content that they choose to produce) or that they are owned by us in any way. And they can't please all of the people all of the time.
But yes, I do get invested in the colours. The blue is underutilised in my opinion, but so is the yellow.
Well done. interesting how you started it and its logic to solve it.
32:20 i was just about to comment. Thx for finally acknowledging us disabled ppl
Once you've gone around the ring of cages you get the parity of the central german whisper line. You have 6 in R2C4 and also R8C6, so you know the 6 in the central box is in column 5. You can see the corners of the central box must be all high or all low, so the 6 disambiguates the parity of the line.
Another excellent puzzle. Thank you !
37:47 finish. When Simon was attempting to eliminate a 5 from r4c2 to make an x- wing, he could have used the logic that a 5 in the cell would have made the line a duplicate of the one in the 19 cage, meaning that there would be three 1-7 cells in row 2.
As soon as you know the 6's in boxes 2 and 8 (or 4 and 6), you can work out the parity of the center German whisper line (as they prohibit 6's in the corners of box 5).
Wow. I really didn't think I'd be able to solve that, but it was really fun.
Once the sixes in boxes 2 and 8 are placed, you know the parity of the central line -- the way it weaves in and out of box 5 means the corners of that box are all the same parity so must be either 1234 or 6789, and those two sixes see all four of those cells, forcing the former.
As soon as he glossed over that I knew he'd find a weird backdoor way of finding the parity. So many puzzles he'll have a single step where he eschews the logic given to him and somehow finds another way to get there, probably to the amazement of the puzzle setters.
It's like that scene in Men In Black 2 when Jay is convinced that the clue in the picture in the store is pointing around the room to different things pointing elsewhere when really the picture is just pointing right at a key that's like a foot away.
Simon, I know we can only creat classic sudoku in the sudoku pad. However,I have come up with an idea that we can use different colours to indicate different constraints and rules.For instance, use red for indicating cages , yellow for renban line , gray for thermo and so on.With the help of multi colouring, we can overlap different clues together.Finally we can email you and mark to have a try of the puzzle built by viewers. Simon want do you think.
let's appreciate simon's toughful act of changing colours for our colourblind friends
yeah we appreciate it, these videos are unwatchable when he picks blue and purple
74:17, needed a bit of help to start doing the killer cells, and then got stuck again and got some help to find the 5,6 pair in row 3.
German Whispers is definitely my favorite sudoku variant
32:04 Thank you! It's much appreciated!
You can actually find the parity of the middle whispers line as soon as you have a few sixes looking at the middle box. The 4 cells that pass through the middle box are all either low or high and see eachother. Therefore if none of them can be 6, they cannot be four high digits and have to be the low digits on the wispers line.
19:21 for me, I found the arrangements very intuitive. Good puzzle!
Agreed
did it in 36 minutes
Great sudoku!!! Really loved it
44:29 excellent! The colors are to help solving, not part of the solution! Better to remove when they are not in use 👍
'Tomb of Whispers' is definitely something I"m including in the next DnD game I run.....
This one took me nearly 75 minutes to complete. Boy I wish I could do some of these things in my head, but I'm more of a visual solver. Needed that pad of paper to see how to best solve this one.
Simon making noises instead of coloring 🤣😂🤣
Thanks so much for switching to orange and blue!
Simon, I listened to the new podcast episode. I agree with Mark, I like the thumbnails with your face in it better 😂
This was a very cool puzzle, but also very difficult - I took about an hour and a half. But I think Simon could have saved some trouble at the start by noting that each of the cages must have a 1 - because of the lines, they have two digits adding to at least 13 (6+7), so the other three must be at most 8 (less for the 19 and 20 cages), which needs a 1.
I think this is becoming my favorite yt channel
had me worried with that xwing that went from 4s to 5s but it appears to have worked out
53:30 - I got something screwed up and had to start over. At least once I got as far as I did, I knew to start on the middle diamond as soon as I got the 6's in columns 4 & 6.
I used the exact opposite color scheme as Simon.
I used the same colour scheme as Simon, *and then he changed it*.
42:12 ! Under video time! Let's just say, that does not often happen.
18:30 Put this on a loop and spin that record, DJ Simon!
32:27 thats uh some dangerous coloring you got there haha
*shouts at the screen that Simon didn't finish the coloring*
*screams at the screen when Simon deleted all the coloring*
And concentrates so much in colouring that he colours over a 5 in the same box as a 56 pencil mark.
can the new app (or the older sudoku variety apps) be installed on a pc? the larger screen makes the interaction so much more pleasant and easier on the eyes :-)
Indeed - I ended up buying the arrow app twice because squinting at the tiny numbers on the phone was causing me eye strain.
The older sudoku variety apps can be installed on a PC if you use the "Steam" variant. I don't like their interface at all, though.
@J.A. Campbell and @bibliopolist thanks for the information. I don't use steam, but I might look into android emulator options.
A question about the new app:
Could one set cages, arrows ect? If not, will those options be in future updates? I'm trying to set something cool, and I would like to use such options...
Idk about future updates but I feel like when they announced the app a week or two ago they said it would only support classics
I would love the pad to be on PC too
Very good solve and very good puzzle.
Only took me 103 minutes and plenty of hints from Simon :D :D
Thank you!
Unfortunately the sudoku pad app is still unavailable in Australia. I hope it will be released here soon. I’m really looking forward to using it.
47:12 another surprisingly good time for me!
42:33 for me. I was doing better, but I made a mistake later on that cost me time.
"Whisper" lines? More like "yodel" lines imo. But I guess they're from Germany, not Austria so what do I know!
Based on the video length this one may actually be approachable
We definitely intended it to be, there are a couple sneaky tricks tho
-Tob Snibbob
So when we make a puzzle in the Pad app, can we generate a weblink or some similar thing to share it? Very exciting :)
that's what I'm wondering as well
Yes please! A STEAMPOWERED version.
A (not very well kept secret) is that puzzles made in f-puzzles may be played on the CTC app if that's your tool of choice. Sven and Eric have as far as I know more or less feature parity in terms of what puzzle types the two tools support, even though they have very different interfaces.
@@Tahgtahv Well I guess it's at least a somewhat kept secret because this is news to me! I would have done the entirety of the 20 Approachables Patreon set for this month in the CTC app if I knew I could! I'm guessing I can find out how to make this magic happen by searching the discord server?
Clever puzzle
Enjoyable solve
Completed in 15m56s!!!
The 1234 quadruple in box five was given the moment you had 6s in r2c4 and r8c6.
Interesting choice of title to put "Marvel" in there in the day after Loki finale and Black Widow released, or maybe I'm reading too much into it
I did it in 29:25. I am quite sure that i had a lot of luck. But it was a single line solve for me.
Demented sign waves, sounds like Bruce Forsyth play your cards right.
When Simon uses Americanisms such as "good to go", it almost makes him seem like an American. (Well, except for, you know, the accent.)
hi Simon are there more ways to this puzzle as my result was quite different to yours but was classed as good....regards Paul
the software doesn't check the "extra" rules, so you have to be careful if your solution respects killer cages and lines
Need a break from renban, Simon. Great work as always
Must be fascinating to watch you speed solve a puzzle like this. Not having to explain your workings would save 20 minutes 🤣
Does anyone know how to make the corner pencil marks not cover the killer clues like in the video? I've played with the "Large digits" option but still having trouble reading the killer clues.
"Large Digits: Off" fixes it for me on my PC monitor [not tried on a 'phone].
nice puzzle and solve
There’s a bug in the app, I can’t unzoom anymore on iPhone :/
It’s not playable anymore at least on safari where the zooms are sensitive
The sudoku pad app is not available in Norway yet :/
Thanj you so much for keeping us colour blind people in mind!
Help. 12:40 couldn't the order 6183 be swapped for 3816 thus allowing the remaining cell to be a 1?
digits can not repeat within a killer cage
When the app is yet to be available in the UK, rip….
Today is the day the teddy bears had a picnic.
46:05 sorry, what's the sine wave doing again Simon?
33:36 had a few errors placing a pair wrong.
27:00 Well we could in a livestream^^.
There are free apps which do the exact same thing already
Expanded Phistomefel ring…. Ooer missus
Is Tob snibbob a bobbins bot that is running in reverse? Taking all the thread out of the bobbins and putting it back on the spool?
Spent a good 20 minutes wondering why the puzzle had two possible solutions before remembering the orange in the middle
Would it make sense to add something to the software that once a rule is resolved, such as a cage resolved it fades off the grid? Great solve as ever. :)
Why would you want that? Sometimes a rule still works in conjunction with another rule, or is still useful to see, even once it's been solved - which allows other digits to be placed, or to ensure correctness. For example, negative constraints NEED the rule markings to keep showing, else you might forget you were following the rule before the marking disappeared and, when you look back, assume you made an error. Or, say, skyscrapers - these inform you not to place higher/lower digits in certain places even when the original 'tallest' have been placed. At best then, every puzzle would need specific instructions as to when to fade COMPLETELY finished rule markings (ie - when they do not lead to any future deduction), as opposed to just when numbers are filled into the boxes - which would require more work from the setters to provide additional information to add to the puzzle's coding.
Just managed to beat the video’s time……45:06😌😌
How can you color 5 as a high digit? It's the middling digit, and should have a color of its own, like light grey.
18:30 I have to put this here
Since orange line must contain at least 16 using 1,2,6,7 can't we just place a 3 in the 19 cage immediately?