A lot of the last part is due to using film rather than digital, there is no colored noise or chromatic aberration on film. Also if using negative film you can capture tones from shadow to extreme highlight in one shot fairly easily, with no need to combine exposures. Olaf and Crewdson both used large format film cameras for extreme resolution and tonality (Crewdson now shoots on a Phase One) and Hido uses a Pentax 6x7. It's one of the reasons I love shooting on film, you can capture shadow and bright areas very naturally.
You are absolutely right, but I was not fully aware of it at the time I made this video. In the past year, I have been shooting film again and medium format for the first time (On a Pentax 67ii). I think Hido is on a Hasselblad now, at least for his commercial work. Anyway, a lot of the characteristics I was trying to pin down in this series are indeed better with film and I'm really excited to see how it goes! I only learned a few months ago you could overexpose negative film so far and get such beautiful highlights back. (5 stops of dynamic range my ass!) And yet, I still have so much more to learn. But I'm loving the process :).
@@olitography you are correct. I have also read that the angle of incidence of the light hitting the plane is why it’s less problematic in film. But I have not thoroughly researched or tested this myself, so don’t quote me here without some research. The idea I seem to recall is that the structure of a sensor filters light in such a way that strengthens the effect of fringing, while film accepts light equally in all directions, but to be honest here I’m not an expert on why or how. It does seem to be less problematic for me when I shoot film, anecdotally, but perhaps there are other factors I’m mot aware of. Thanks for the insight 🙂
@@VinnyLePes I have done a lot research into the differences between digital capture and analog film. Digital is prone to chromatic aberration, especially with wide angle lenses, due to light hitting the edges of sensor light wells at an oblique angle. This explains why digital wide angle lenses are so wide, they have to have a back element assembly wide enough to send a (mostly) collimated beam of gathered light to hit the sensor evenly. Modern digital lenses are computed to work with onboard processing engines is such a way that although the result is highly corrected in proprietary RAW software, the result often looks sterile or dead. It is, or can be, very difficult to make digital look painterly, but it can be done. The alternative, is of course, to use film!
Thanks for the info! Very enlightening. Now that I think of it, the worst offender I ever had was a Tokina 11-16 for APS-C Canon-which fits the criteria for your explanation. Second worse was my first zoom lens, but it was a cheap piece of junk. I also recall the sensor filters act as yet another lens element, amplifying the problem further. I’m not totally up on the physics of light but it’s important to at least have an idea what results to expect. It’s a fascinating subject. Thanks for chiming in 😎
I find myself rewatching your videos time and time again, It is amazing how little information is available on this topic so I apperciate the effort and time you put into these videos. They have been invaluable to my growth as a photographer recently. So long story short, thank you.
Thank you, Dillon 🙏. That’s just about the best compliment I could ask for! I had a feeling when I made this series that it wouldn’t be all that popular, but that if I was so curious about it, it was worth exploring. I’m so glad here two years later that this series is still finding like-minded people. 🍻
Vinny, where did you disappear to? Your series on painterly photos really opened my eyes and this video in particular is amazing. I'm going to watch several times
Thanks man, it’s good to feel missed. I love hearing my videos opened things up for you. That’s the best reward. I miss making videos and interacting with everyone here. I could say I’ve been planning the world’s slowest comeback…but one day I’ll make it happen! 🤘
I don't know what I did to get this video showing up in my home feed but it was such a delight and really insightful. I'm a product photographer and my images lean almost more towards 3D renders in style than paintings and I'd love to bring more of this tactile feel to my images.
I've been watching your videos all afternoon and I just wanted to say that I love what you're doing and look forward to more. I know you're often looking for feedback on the direction of your channel so I just wanted to share my two cents: This video series on painterly photography, exploring what that means, artists who's style best reflects it, and then ways to incorporate it into our own work is by FAR my favorite thing on your channel so far. I think the style is interesting, engaging, and I learned a lot from it. I hope to see you do more photography related content, in general, in the future.
Thank you, Shannon, that’s really nice to hear and I appreciate the honest feedback! Not only do people seem to like that series, I also enjoyed making it and it was one of my least scripted series which I think made me more myself. The videos I’m working on now are definitely leaning back in that direction and I think you’ll enjoy where things go when I’m back at it :)
maann, even though you 100% know that this would never be a trend (maybe) or its not a mainstram topic thats gonna make your channel super popular you still did it and made this video i really love that and i fully support you i'm working on an experimental self portrait project inspired by Gregory Crewdson and i couldn't find anything that is more helpful than you i would love to show you the pictures, its a bit lame taken with canon rebel t2i but thats what i have so its the best that i can use, but i would love to learn how to get this look and what is the best cameras to use and what size also how to print them THANK YOU SO MUCH Vinny i hope you never stop from making this kind of videos and topics that are not mainstream Thank you Again Abdullah Sharw.
Thanks, man! I'm a lot more interested in digging into topics that fascinate me than topics that will be popular. This started because I couldn't elucidate "painterly" as a term for myself, and so I shared where that led me. I'd be happy to take a look at your photos, perhaps it would be easier to get in touch on Instagram if you are on there. I am @vinnylepes and that way you can message me directly and I can take a look. I shot on a Canon t2i myself for about 8 years, and I can tell you the only real limitations there are print size (due to resolution) and low light fidelity (it's a terrible camera above 1600 ISO). With good (or controlled) lighting the t2i will perform just fine. A decent lens or some basic lighting will give you much more value than a better camera body, I would make the body the last thing I upgrade. There are exceptions of course but if there's anything I learned it's that the camera body has the least impact on the look of the photo compared to any other variables that apply to image quality. I'd recommend you shoot with that camera until you have an absolute roadblock that requires an upgrade. I used to worry about the resolution and how I would never get to make a big print and stand in front of it and marvel at it's beauty, the way I do in a gallery or museum when looking at the work of the masters. But if I look back over the 8 years of work I shot with the t2i, there are only a couple images I would still find worthy of that effort. But the skills I learned while trying to make a camera with so many limitations produce better work forced me to work harder outside the camera. Now that I have carried some of that habit to my current work, I have more work I'd be proud to print and display. My point is there is a part of me that wonders--if I had upgraded my camera years ago, would I have learned so much by trying to work within the constraints I faced? Food for thought!
And thank you! Comments like this make my day, that’s when I know I’m finding the right people who are looking for more artistic perspectives on photography. Is there anything in particular that grabbed you? I will be doing more on this topic and if there’s anything you’re interested in specifically let me know. Also there are more videos in this series if you want to dig in deep! Thanks again, Huck 🤘
This is super insightful, so glad I discovered you! Really looking forward to more content like this, hardly anyone touches on the art in photography videos, but simply focus on technique :)
Thank you so much! I have more videos looking at the artistic side of photography and a new series in the works. If you didn't see the rest of this series, check it out here: th-cam.com/play/PLjHkda8d3yJRc9uxDWnSZXw1idFyrFvM9.html and I'm working on some new content that will go even deeper in this direction, so stick around and let me know what you think! Thanks again for the kind words!
Thank you so much for posting this.. You've really opened my eyes something new. I knew about Crewdson, but learning about Olaf and seeing is work well worth 20+mins, blown away. Thanks again for making this great content. regards...
I’m glad you found it worthwhile, thanks a lot for dropping me the positive comment! Would you believe each video was around 45 minutes before I edited them? It’s crazy how much easier a long video is than a short one 🍻
Thank you for the positive feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it :). There are more in this series if you didn't watch all five: th-cam.com/play/PLjHkda8d3yJRc9uxDWnSZXw1idFyrFvM9.html I'm also working on more in this style for my next season so stick around and let me know what you think!
I have been looking for some information on this style of photography and I’m so glad I discovered your videos about Crewdsons style. Thank you very much! I shoot medium and large format so definitely excited to try some of this out.
That’s cool, I haven’t shot large format since I was a kid (and my dad walked me through it). Nothing beats it for tonality and detail. Just beautiful results and the wide capture plane has a look that can be magical! I’m glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for the kind words :).
Excellent. I've been a fan of 'painterly photographs' forever, and found early on that working with film vs digital was the way to go (for me). Especially related to smooth, wide tonality and depth, absence of chromatic aberrations, and (perhaps) muted, natural colors. And while you can over sharpen a film-derived image, there is no inherent sharpening that (I suspect) modern digital camera-makers seem to embed into the technology. I'm repeating what some have already said, but one point is if you want your images to look like those from the photographers you praise in the video, use the tools they use(d), at least from a starting point, i.e., print films. Thanks for putting these lessons together; exceptional content. You're very easy to listen to.
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to weigh in. Great point on the inherent sharpening in digital files. I’m going through the process of re-discovering film myself at the moment...picked up a Pentax 67ii and am going through the learning curve of going back to film and shooting medium format for the first time. The process of shooting is already forcing me to be more mindful as I shoot as well. Is that a 4x5 I see in your profile? I checked out your video here on TH-cam and your work is beautiful, you clearly come from a place of knowledge on the subject :). Thank you as well for the kind and encouraging words, thoughtful and positive comments like this make my day :).
@@VinnyLePes Thank you, Vinny. Yea, I shoot 4x5 and 6x7 Mamiya RB67; both color and B&W. I commo with lots of folks just starting or re-starting use of film, and write often in my technical blog at jrileystewart.com/blog about one of the most confounding parts of modern film use, that is, scanning film. Good luck with your re-discovery!
I missed this reply, I guess the link got it marked as spam. I'm happy to share though! I'll be going through that process myself soon and I'll be sure to read your thoughts on it.
If you're into photo books I highly recommend Beneath the Roses. Of all of Crewdson's work it is still my favorite. The series contains many of those slightly birds-eye street scenes. I still have yet to see his prints in person but even in the book you can get lost staring at them. That winter scene is also one of my favorites, there's something about the mood and tonality that just pushes my buttons.
Thank you, Patrick! I appreciate the kind words. Did you see this was part of a 5 part series? I didn't do an entire video on Saul but I did cover him more in depth in the 2nd video. (This video we’re chatting on is 3 of 5). Here’s the video that goes more in depth on Saul: th-cam.com/video/e5oe4Dkg2xQ/w-d-xo.html Here’s the whole playlist: th-cam.com/play/PLjHkda8d3yJRc9uxDWnSZXw1idFyrFvM9.html
You can get a soft, muted look from Kodak Portra or Fuji Pro 400H. Portra is warmer colored and Fuji is cooler. They are both a sort of clean, almost pastel color scheme. Both have a lot of latitude and will produce an even cleaner look overexposed by a stop or two. If you’re thinking more of the muted look like in Saul Leiter’s work, that was Kodachrome, which is unfortunately no longer produced and no labs process it anymore. Nothing out there looks quite like it. If you want more saturated colors, take a look at Ektar, Ektachrome, Provia or Velvia. Each have a unique color palette and very rich colors. The latter three are slide films, which makes them a little harder to shoot because there’s less latitude and you need to expose more accurately, but they produce a similar deep contrast look like Kodachrome. You can find comparisons of these films online to see how they render colors differently and decide what you like. All that said, if you want more affordable film, you’re looking at Kodak Gold or Fuji Superia, but both of these seem a little flat and drab compared to the others in my opinion. Hope that helps get you started! There are a lot of options out there these days.
That was very interesting and insightful ! I've been using some of those techniques on my photography work, although I wasn't really aware of them, it's been more instinctive I'd say. I think the series I'm developing right now relates to a lot of what you've talked about in those videos. I'll put the link to my website here if you'd like to see the work: ffafelipe.com/Cotidiano-a-partir-de-Wilma-Martins
Thanks, Felipe! Something is up with your site, all of the images are missing when I go to visit. I thought I'd let you know in case you weren't aware. Let me know when it's fixed and I'll check it out for sure :)
Two degrees in photography (pre-digital) and years of teaching digital photo, but never had broken down what it is that achieves that beautiful, saturated, and totally believeable image quality.
I never got anything like this in my classes, either! It took me longer than I'd like to discover these principles. I spent many years looking in the wrong places 😅
A lot of the last part is due to using film rather than digital, there is no colored noise or chromatic aberration on film. Also if using negative film you can capture tones from shadow to extreme highlight in one shot fairly easily, with no need to combine exposures. Olaf and Crewdson both used large format film cameras for extreme resolution and tonality (Crewdson now shoots on a Phase One) and Hido uses a Pentax 6x7. It's one of the reasons I love shooting on film, you can capture shadow and bright areas very naturally.
You are absolutely right, but I was not fully aware of it at the time I made this video. In the past year, I have been shooting film again and medium format for the first time (On a Pentax 67ii). I think Hido is on a Hasselblad now, at least for his commercial work. Anyway, a lot of the characteristics I was trying to pin down in this series are indeed better with film and I'm really excited to see how it goes! I only learned a few months ago you could overexpose negative film so far and get such beautiful highlights back. (5 stops of dynamic range my ass!) And yet, I still have so much more to learn. But I'm loving the process :).
@@VinnyLePes ," there is no colored noise or chromatic aberration on film" Chromatic aberration is caused by the lens,
@@olitography you are correct. I have also read that the angle of incidence of the light hitting the plane is why it’s less problematic in film. But I have not thoroughly researched or tested this myself, so don’t quote me here without some research. The idea I seem to recall is that the structure of a sensor filters light in such a way that strengthens the effect of fringing, while film accepts light equally in all directions, but to be honest here I’m not an expert on why or how. It does seem to be less problematic for me when I shoot film, anecdotally, but perhaps there are other factors I’m mot aware of. Thanks for the insight 🙂
@@VinnyLePes I have done a lot research into the differences between digital capture and analog film. Digital is prone to chromatic aberration, especially with wide angle lenses, due to light hitting the edges of sensor light wells at an oblique angle. This explains why digital wide angle lenses are so wide, they have to have a back element assembly wide enough to send a (mostly) collimated beam of gathered light to hit the sensor evenly. Modern digital lenses are computed to work with onboard processing engines is such a way that although the result is highly corrected in proprietary RAW software, the result often looks sterile or dead. It is, or can be, very difficult to make digital look painterly, but it can be done. The alternative, is of course, to use film!
Thanks for the info! Very enlightening. Now that I think of it, the worst offender I ever had was a Tokina 11-16 for APS-C Canon-which fits the criteria for your explanation. Second worse was my first zoom lens, but it was a cheap piece of junk.
I also recall the sensor filters act as yet another lens element, amplifying the problem further. I’m not totally up on the physics of light but it’s important to at least have an idea what results to expect. It’s a fascinating subject. Thanks for chiming in 😎
I find myself rewatching your videos time and time again, It is amazing how little information is available on this topic so I apperciate the effort and time you put into these videos. They have been invaluable to my growth as a photographer recently. So long story short, thank you.
Thank you, Dillon 🙏. That’s just about the best compliment I could ask for! I had a feeling when I made this series that it wouldn’t be all that popular, but that if I was so curious about it, it was worth exploring. I’m so glad here two years later that this series is still finding like-minded people. 🍻
Thank you! Best informative video on painterly photography.
Thank you Frank! I’m glad you found it helpful. Appreciate the kind words!
You deserve way more views, subs & credit friend. Let's just say people don't come on TH-cam to learn or discover...
Thank you! That means a lot to me. I’ve missed making videos quite a bit lately.
Vinny, where did you disappear to? Your series on painterly photos really opened my eyes and this video in particular is amazing. I'm going to watch several times
Thanks man, it’s good to feel missed. I love hearing my videos opened things up for you. That’s the best reward. I miss making videos and interacting with everyone here. I could say I’ve been planning the world’s slowest comeback…but one day I’ll make it happen! 🤘
I don't know what I did to get this video showing up in my home feed but it was such a delight and really insightful. I'm a product photographer and my images lean almost more towards 3D renders in style than paintings and I'd love to bring more of this tactile feel to my images.
This is one of the best videos on TH-cam. Thank you!
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for stopping by. Your videos look great, good luck on your new channel. Peace ✌️
I've been watching your videos all afternoon and I just wanted to say that I love what you're doing and look forward to more. I know you're often looking for feedback on the direction of your channel so I just wanted to share my two cents: This video series on painterly photography, exploring what that means, artists who's style best reflects it, and then ways to incorporate it into our own work is by FAR my favorite thing on your channel so far. I think the style is interesting, engaging, and I learned a lot from it. I hope to see you do more photography related content, in general, in the future.
Thank you, Shannon, that’s really nice to hear and I appreciate the honest feedback! Not only do people seem to like that series, I also enjoyed making it and it was one of my least scripted series which I think made me more myself. The videos I’m working on now are definitely leaning back in that direction and I think you’ll enjoy where things go when I’m back at it :)
This is gem of a video…I highly appreciate you for doing this
Thank you!
This video has really helped me achieve the painterly feel that is very specific to only some images.
That’s great to hear, I’m so glad to have helped. Thank you!
maann, even though you 100% know that this would never be a trend (maybe) or its not a mainstram topic thats gonna make your channel super popular you still did it and made this video
i really love that and i fully support you
i'm working on an experimental self portrait project inspired by Gregory Crewdson and i couldn't find anything that is more helpful than you
i would love to show you the pictures, its a bit lame taken with canon rebel t2i but thats what i have so its the best that i can use, but i would love to learn how to get this look and what is the best cameras to use and what size also how to print them
THANK YOU SO MUCH Vinny
i hope you never stop from making this kind of videos and topics that are not mainstream
Thank you Again
Abdullah Sharw.
Thanks, man! I'm a lot more interested in digging into topics that fascinate me than topics that will be popular. This started because I couldn't elucidate "painterly" as a term for myself, and so I shared where that led me. I'd be happy to take a look at your photos, perhaps it would be easier to get in touch on Instagram if you are on there. I am @vinnylepes and that way you can message me directly and I can take a look.
I shot on a Canon t2i myself for about 8 years, and I can tell you the only real limitations there are print size (due to resolution) and low light fidelity (it's a terrible camera above 1600 ISO). With good (or controlled) lighting the t2i will perform just fine. A decent lens or some basic lighting will give you much more value than a better camera body, I would make the body the last thing I upgrade. There are exceptions of course but if there's anything I learned it's that the camera body has the least impact on the look of the photo compared to any other variables that apply to image quality. I'd recommend you shoot with that camera until you have an absolute roadblock that requires an upgrade.
I used to worry about the resolution and how I would never get to make a big print and stand in front of it and marvel at it's beauty, the way I do in a gallery or museum when looking at the work of the masters. But if I look back over the 8 years of work I shot with the t2i, there are only a couple images I would still find worthy of that effort. But the skills I learned while trying to make a camera with so many limitations produce better work forced me to work harder outside the camera. Now that I have carried some of that habit to my current work, I have more work I'd be proud to print and display. My point is there is a part of me that wonders--if I had upgraded my camera years ago, would I have learned so much by trying to work within the constraints I faced?
Food for thought!
I've been looking for a video like this for a long time. Thank you so much.
And thank you! Comments like this make my day, that’s when I know I’m finding the right people who are looking for more artistic perspectives on photography. Is there anything in particular that grabbed you? I will be doing more on this topic and if there’s anything you’re interested in specifically let me know.
Also there are more videos in this series if you want to dig in deep!
Thanks again, Huck 🤘
Quality information here, thank you.
Thanks, Chris!
Thanks for all the insights!
My pleasure! Thank you for the kind words, Karsten!
Nice presentation. Thanks for delving into this subject. Also, I noticed the Leinenkugel's Summer Shandy. It's one of my favorite beers lol
Thanks, Matt! It was a fascinating topic to explore, I’m glad you enjoyed it. Cheers! 🍻
This is super insightful, so glad I discovered you! Really looking forward to more content like this, hardly anyone touches on the art in photography videos, but simply focus on technique :)
Thank you so much! I have more videos looking at the artistic side of photography and a new series in the works. If you didn't see the rest of this series, check it out here: th-cam.com/play/PLjHkda8d3yJRc9uxDWnSZXw1idFyrFvM9.html and I'm working on some new content that will go even deeper in this direction, so stick around and let me know what you think! Thanks again for the kind words!
Thank you so much for posting this.. You've really opened my eyes something new. I knew about Crewdson, but learning about Olaf and seeing is work well worth 20+mins, blown away. Thanks again for making this great content. regards...
I’m glad you found it worthwhile, thanks a lot for dropping me the positive comment! Would you believe each video was around 45 minutes before I edited them? It’s crazy how much easier a long video is than a short one 🍻
I've really enjoyed your videos so far. Thanks for making the series!!
Thanks for the comments! I’m glad you enjoyed them and stopped to say so 🤘
Great work. Thank you so much for posting this video
Thank you for the positive feedback! I'm glad you enjoyed it :). There are more in this series if you didn't watch all five: th-cam.com/play/PLjHkda8d3yJRc9uxDWnSZXw1idFyrFvM9.html
I'm also working on more in this style for my next season so stick around and let me know what you think!
So good. Many thanks. Very inspiring and educational
Thanks, Jezz!
Great videos Vinny! And a very interesting topic to explore. Much appreciated.
Thank you for the kind words, Jean-Claude!
I have been looking for some information on this style of photography and I’m so glad I discovered your videos about Crewdsons style. Thank you very much! I shoot medium and large format so definitely excited to try some of this out.
That’s cool, I haven’t shot large format since I was a kid (and my dad walked me through it). Nothing beats it for tonality and detail. Just beautiful results and the wide capture plane has a look that can be magical! I’m glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for the kind words :).
Nicely done.
Thank you, Tom!
Thank you so much for this!
You’re welcome! I’m glad you enjoyed it and thank you for the kind comment :)
Excellent. I've been a fan of 'painterly photographs' forever, and found early on that working with film vs digital was the way to go (for me). Especially related to smooth, wide tonality and depth, absence of chromatic aberrations, and (perhaps) muted, natural colors. And while you can over sharpen a film-derived image, there is no inherent sharpening that (I suspect) modern digital camera-makers seem to embed into the technology. I'm repeating what some have already said, but one point is if you want your images to look like those from the photographers you praise in the video, use the tools they use(d), at least from a starting point, i.e., print films. Thanks for putting these lessons together; exceptional content. You're very easy to listen to.
Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to weigh in. Great point on the inherent sharpening in digital files. I’m going through the process of re-discovering film myself at the moment...picked up a Pentax 67ii and am going through the learning curve of going back to film and shooting medium format for the first time. The process of shooting is already forcing me to be more mindful as I shoot as well. Is that a 4x5 I see in your profile? I checked out your video here on TH-cam and your work is beautiful, you clearly come from a place of knowledge on the subject :). Thank you as well for the kind and encouraging words, thoughtful and positive comments like this make my day :).
@@VinnyLePes Thank you, Vinny. Yea, I shoot 4x5 and 6x7 Mamiya RB67; both color and B&W. I commo with lots of folks just starting or re-starting use of film, and write often in my technical blog at jrileystewart.com/blog about one of the most confounding parts of modern film use, that is, scanning film. Good luck with your re-discovery!
I missed this reply, I guess the link got it marked as spam. I'm happy to share though! I'll be going through that process myself soon and I'll be sure to read your thoughts on it.
Thank you, this video is amazing. Great insight, Vinny
I’m glad you found it helpful, thank you for the supportive words 🤘
This is so good. Really appreciate the time that you took to create this. So insightful and inspirational.
Thanks for taking the time to let me know, Brittan! I’m glad you dug it. Cheers! 🍻
Wow this is excellent learned a ton i will take with me for my own photos
Thank you, Johan! So glad to hear that :)
Great video!
Hey thanks!
A really useful and thoughtful walkthrough. Thanks.
Thanks for dropping by, I’m glad it was valuable to you!
I really enjoyed this video. Nice one!
Thank you, Bill!
So interesting! You are so talented! Great video!
I echo that of Patrick below. A fantastic explanation of this type of Art. Thank you,
Thank you! It took me a lot of time and thought to put what I was seeing into words, so glad it resonates
Amazing video :) thank you so much!
Thanks for the kind comment! So glad you enjoyed it.
Day = Brightened! ☺️
Great content. Thank you.
Thanks, Roberto! 🍻
The winter street photo is awesome.
If you're into photo books I highly recommend Beneath the Roses. Of all of Crewdson's work it is still my favorite. The series contains many of those slightly birds-eye street scenes. I still have yet to see his prints in person but even in the book you can get lost staring at them. That winter scene is also one of my favorites, there's something about the mood and tonality that just pushes my buttons.
I'll try to find it, thanks.
Thanks Vinny. Great video
Thank you, David
good one. keep this content going. you got a new subscriber. hope to see more from you!
Thanks Michael! Yeah I’m not done here, just took a break to work on something bigger. I’ll be back with more 🍻
Great vid! Cheers
Thanks! 🍻
Fantastic video! Would love more on painterly photography. Maybe an entire episode on Saul leiter.
Thank you, Patrick! I appreciate the kind words.
Did you see this was part of a 5 part series? I didn't do an entire video on Saul but I did cover him more in depth in the 2nd video. (This video we’re chatting on is 3 of 5).
Here’s the video that goes more in depth on Saul:
th-cam.com/video/e5oe4Dkg2xQ/w-d-xo.html
Here’s the whole playlist:
th-cam.com/play/PLjHkda8d3yJRc9uxDWnSZXw1idFyrFvM9.html
In that more in depth video I cover Saul Leiter, Fan Ho, Erwin Olaf, Todd Hido and Gregory Crewdson from a painterly perspective.
Awesome! I'll check them out. Thanks!
The dye transfer process is employed by some photographers for rich colours and tones. Unfortunately it's very expensive.
Damn, it looks so good
amazing stuff 🎯
Thank you, Adolfo! 🍻
Superb stuff. May we have the link to the article by Ming Thein?
I thought I had it in the description, thanks for pointing that out!
www.google.com/amp/s/blog.mingthein.com/2014/10/15/painterly-photographs/amp/
wow bravo
Thank you very much!
some of Olaf's scenes remind me of Hopper
I can absolutely see that
Thanks
Cheers! 🍻
Excellent! Subscribed.
Thanks! Glad to have you
you're the best!
Awww, shucks ☺️. You’re the best commenter tho 😅🤘🍻
I’ve never shot color film, would anyone know a good affordable 35mm film to get this more muted look?
You can get a soft, muted look from Kodak Portra or Fuji Pro 400H. Portra is warmer colored and Fuji is cooler. They are both a sort of clean, almost pastel color scheme. Both have a lot of latitude and will produce an even cleaner look overexposed by a stop or two.
If you’re thinking more of the muted look like in Saul Leiter’s work, that was Kodachrome, which is unfortunately no longer produced and no labs process it anymore. Nothing out there looks quite like it.
If you want more saturated colors, take a look at Ektar, Ektachrome, Provia or Velvia. Each have a unique color palette and very rich colors. The latter three are slide films, which makes them a little harder to shoot because there’s less latitude and you need to expose more accurately, but they produce a similar deep contrast look like Kodachrome.
You can find comparisons of these films online to see how they render colors differently and decide what you like. All that said, if you want more affordable film, you’re looking at Kodak Gold or Fuji Superia, but both of these seem a little flat and drab compared to the others in my opinion.
Hope that helps get you started! There are a lot of options out there these days.
Crewdson used film (17:20) so there weren't any chromatic aberrations.
You are right! I didn't know at the time, but many of the qualities I called out were inherent in film.
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That was very interesting and insightful ! I've been using some of those techniques on my photography work, although I wasn't really aware of them, it's been more instinctive I'd say. I think the series I'm developing right now relates to a lot of what you've talked about in those videos. I'll put the link to my website here if you'd like to see the work: ffafelipe.com/Cotidiano-a-partir-de-Wilma-Martins
Thanks, Felipe! Something is up with your site, all of the images are missing when I go to visit. I thought I'd let you know in case you weren't aware.
Let me know when it's fixed and I'll check it out for sure :)
Oh, it's shame it isn't working there. Maybe it has something to do with youtube redirecting. I'll send it to you through instagram.
Two degrees in photography (pre-digital) and years of teaching digital photo, but never had broken down what it is that achieves that beautiful, saturated, and totally believeable image quality.
I never got anything like this in my classes, either! It took me longer than I'd like to discover these principles. I spent many years looking in the wrong places 😅