Thank you so much for this clip! I worked at Apple back then. Haven't seen the inside of an original Mac for many years. Was an engineer in Peripherals Test and Hardware Development. Tore apart and reassembled dozens of machines like this every day. Also HDs, mice, keyboards, trackballs, joysticks, scanners, even fax modems. Your video was a real treat. From the instant you opened it, the layout and components were as comfortable as an old shoe (I was telling you out loud not to forget that last wire, lol, and yes, we used to enjoy tossing those charged tubes to unsuspecting new colleagues). I still have my long Torx driver and case splitter. Sadly, most of my other old stuff was given away or trashed long ago. I left Apple in '88 but went back multiple times, finally leaving for the last time about five years ago. Looking back, I still love the way it was so easy to disassemble, upgrade and repair early Macs. Ingeniously simple. Today's designers often spend too much time immersed in a rendered CAD world and have little experience at the bench. They've forgotten the art of creating products which are beautiful in their entirety. Thanks again for this flashback.
Using a screwdriver with a thick wire to discharge the CRT is a good idea IF the other end of the wire is actually grounded. In this case, it wasn't. The safest method, if you don't have the right equipment, is to take that little Mac outside, look for your house's ground wire (copper rod in the ground near the electrical box) and connect the other end of the wire to that ground rod instead of the Mac's chassis (which in this case would be a 'floating ground' that could still shock you good). Now you have a true GROUND (hence the term) at ground potential. The electricity in the CRT will race out of the screwdriver, down the wire into ground rod in the soil and into Earth. You'll be perfectly safe.
yes and no, you are implying that the frame isn't sufficiently isolated from the CRT's circuitry and it was. The biggest cringe I got from this was no resistor inline on the jumper cord. 2nd going 'outside' is just stupid. there are ground points everywhere in a house and especially a shop. Anyone who worked on elx has both an outlet stub and a ground stub. When elx really needed it, not now due to the throw away mindset of development and the lack of any real elx repair shops, you would then attach yourself to the ground point for anti static reasons. Though internal (both chip and board level) anti static solutions are the norm.
I used to service these. Take a close look at the solder connections under the flyback transformer. (the big component that has the wire going to the side of the picture tube. One of the solder connections was notorious for cracking around the pin of the transformer. It would arc for a little bit until the gap was wide enough to prevent contact, so it will be obvious.
I still have a 512k machine that was upgraded to 2.5MB RAM with the MacSnap upgrade board, and a SCSI port using another MacSnap product. The 25-pin SCSI connector came out of the battery door, so there was no exterior case modification needed.
Awesome video yet again. I'm almost hoping your IIGS monitor gets blurry, because based on your confidence fixing that original Mac monitor, you'll be able to make a video that shows how to fix that! :-) I'm worried the blurry RGB monitor syndrome will hit all my IIGS machines and there won't be much I can do to fix it.
I used to fix these for a school district a long time ago. Look over the analog board for cracked solder points. Most of the time the flyback transformer just needed to have the solder job touched up a bit.
Finder 5.0 actually belongs to System 2.1. It was the first version to support the Hard Disk 20 -- the performance of which I see is rather lackluster. :-)
Sad thing is, boot times haven't really progressed from this! I saw 4:28-4:48, so about 20 seconds? That's about what you get on a fast SSD, and forget about it on a pure mechanical drive.
***** That's true, but I guess my point was more that storage speed growth hasn't kept up with processor speed growth, but we're along the right path with native PCI-E SSDs and the new NVMe protocol and whatnot.
You could use concrete as ground for discharging the CRT,I learned that the easy-ish way,I dont have a Macintosh yet,but I will get one. My dad told me that concrete is ground after my MacBook zapped me a couple of times when I touched it with my wrist while it was charging.
Please be careful! Concrete is not a good ground. Concrete is an electrical insulator. Electricity will not flow into concrete at the extremely high voltages, 10,000+ volts, a CRT discharges. Go outside and use the HOUSE GROUND ROD near the electrical box. It's that copper rod in the ground with the wire going up to the box. It is a true earth GROUND.
+Herb Garcia this is very good information. also sometimes the grounding rod is inside like in my old house it was in the garage on the opposite side of the wall where the breaker box is. but it's always gonna be somewhere near the breaker box in case any of your reading this can't find it
When you're recording the screen you need to lock the focus so it doesn't keep bluing out like that. Also, if your camera allows you to adjust the frame rate of your recording you can tweak that to get rid of the banding issue.
@1:00 spent all my money on these old Macs and had none left for a table, so I have to crouch down on the floor to work on it and demo it... lol BTW, that mouse connector is called DB9, not DE9... But fun computer nostalgia video nonetheless.
I own two original Macintosh's too and like yours it just says Macintosh on the back of it. I also own of of those carrying bags as well.My favorite old Macintosh game was Maze War which was an adaptation of Maze War on the Xerox Alto.
Used to administer a network of Mac plus's and later SE's. I got very used to the plus's keyboard and got very fast at typing on it. Can't remember if I played many games on the machine, except an occasional Tetris round. Also had a Mac Emulator on my Atari ST at home. It's too bad that old computers often are so yellowed, which makes them look like they've been stored in a smoking lounge for 30 years. Hopefully in a few years we can 3D-print a new identical case for them at a low cost.
Yeah, you can definitely tell its pre-SCSI. Thanks for clarifying the version, I thought it was odd that in 1985 they were already up to OS 5! I'll need to boot up some of my earlier system disks and check out the differences.
Whew, CRTs are scary... I once unscrewed the CRT screen from one of my not-so-old macs, since I missed a screw that gives access to the motherboard. I had a hard time putting it back.
I've tracked down previous owners by the documents left on the drives, its amazing how much financial stuff people leave on things that they give away! That machine looks to have the Mac Plus ROMs installed (it autobooted the HD20) and it might have upgraded RAM too (Finder claims 2048k of something). Its likely a cleaner add-on then the Hyperdrive 20 I had, imagine someone retrofitting an internal 3.5" full height MFM drive inside that tiny case!
I like your video.....It reminded me when I owned a 512KE. It started faster on floppy than my wife's Packard - "Hell" running windows 5 and the screen redraw was a lot faster. I actually had a disk copy program that would let you copy commercial disks. Cool stuff back then.
I got the mac se fdhd and too bad the hard drive is dead. It won't spin up but a quick smack or two fixes that but the actuator arm won't move. If it did I could invade privacy and see what cool stuff is on it. I just bought a new 230mb hard drive for it. So excited to get it working.
Yup, that will happen over time with these old CRTs. Most likely you'll have to open it up and adjust the focus potentiometer (small little knob) by turning it with the computer on to see how far to turn it. I've had to do that on my Galaga before. Just don't touch any other components, especially around the anode cap or you'll get a shocking surprise! :)
12:45 - The splash screen for Microsoft Word says "(c) 1987 Microsoft Corporation", but then says "Silicon Beach Software, Inc". I wonder what the go is with that? I know Silicon Beach made lots of Mac software like Super Paint... but MS Word???
OMG I'm sooo jealous! By the way TanRu Nomad, if you could answer this it would be great: Is it possible to emulate this OS (5.0) on a modern macbook air? Thanks in advance :)
Steve Jobs invented the Macintosh Computer in his garage in 1980. The first Mac was called the Lisa and it made millions of dollars. After the Mac, Steve Jobs went on to design the iPhone and the rest is history.
I've got a 512k as well! But it's a bit more...interesting. It's got an accelerator board with a 68020 CPU running at 16MHz (with matching 68881 FPU) and 4MB of RAM!
I owned a Mac 512k, Plus, IISi, IICi and finally a quadra 700 I loved those machines before apple took a shit lol. Awesome video though thanks for sharing. Oh and he says a little shock huh try about 50,000 Volts worth give or take that is stored even after about 5 years without being plugged in that would be a lot of shock lol. Shufflepuck, brickles and mac bugs I remember those games very well.
There was believe it or not an internal hard drive for the original Macintosh, Wow!!!! Talk about doing surgery. I would like to find it and install it, just for fun.
I feel that the small size, all-in-one form, and limited internal expand-ability worked against the original Mac. Psychologically it feels like you are getting less for your money than with other similar priced computers. Yes, the OS is advanced but that isn't something that users can physically touch. The IBM 5150 took up lots of space on a desk and visually looks like more bang for the buck. Small computers would become a 'thing' in the future, but at the time portability wasn't a feature many people were interested in.
Looks like old Sal is still working after a quick google search. I guess he didn't learn about deleting your files before dumping or selling your old computer. Also, I've never seen anyone use needle nose pliers to pull the flyback anode, I usually just use the same flathead that I use to discharge it. Either way works, I'm just paranoid of getting shocked and prefer to have it grounded to the chassis the entire time. I've seen a few that hold charges even after grounding multiple times.
Once you add 3rd party RAM upgrades (a hack), then it's not a Mac 128K or 512K anymore. Those models are defined by their RAM, which was not made to be upgradable. What you have there is essentially a Mac Plus with 2MB of RAM in the original casing.
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Fantastic stuff here, love seeing teardowns of old hardware. And just old hardware in general!
nice video. I've never used anything earlier than system 6.0.
oh hey man
It's amazing that a computer from 1984 had all these features!
debió haber existido internet en ese momento...creo que nos atrasamos
@@ambientallgs No creo que exista la tecnología para hacerlo si no lo hacíamos si podiamos.
Exactly!
@@ambientallgs it does exist but not as what you think.
@@vittosphonecollection57289 internet was made in 1983.
this has 512k. my TV only has 4 😥
ahahaahahab SHUT UP
This was very ahead of its time. I'm actually surprised.
Thank you so much for this clip! I worked at Apple back then. Haven't seen the inside of an original Mac for many years. Was an engineer in Peripherals Test and Hardware Development. Tore apart and reassembled dozens of machines like this every day. Also HDs, mice, keyboards, trackballs, joysticks, scanners, even fax modems. Your video was a real treat. From the instant you opened it, the layout and components were as comfortable as an old shoe (I was telling you out loud not to forget that last wire, lol, and yes, we used to enjoy tossing those charged tubes to unsuspecting new colleagues). I still have my long Torx driver and case splitter. Sadly, most of my other old stuff was given away or trashed long ago. I left Apple in '88 but went back multiple times, finally leaving for the last time about five years ago. Looking back, I still love the way it was so easy to disassemble, upgrade and repair early Macs. Ingeniously simple. Today's designers often spend too much time immersed in a rendered CAD world and have little experience at the bench. They've forgotten the art of creating products which are beautiful in their entirety. Thanks again for this flashback.
its amazing to think how state of the art this was at the time. hard to believe my iphone and mac book pro will eventually be an antique as well
3d gaming in 1984! WOW!
Using a screwdriver with a thick wire to discharge the CRT is a good idea IF the other end of the wire is actually grounded. In this case, it wasn't. The safest method, if you don't have the right equipment, is to take that little Mac outside, look for your house's ground wire (copper rod in the ground near the electrical box) and connect the other end of the wire to that ground rod instead of the Mac's chassis (which in this case would be a 'floating ground' that could still shock you good). Now you have a true GROUND (hence the term) at ground potential. The electricity in the CRT will race out of the screwdriver, down the wire into ground rod in the soil and into Earth. You'll be perfectly safe.
yes and no, you are implying that the frame isn't sufficiently isolated from the CRT's circuitry and it was. The biggest cringe I got from this was no resistor inline on the jumper cord. 2nd going 'outside' is just stupid. there are ground points everywhere in a house and especially a shop. Anyone who worked on elx has both an outlet stub and a ground stub. When elx really needed it, not now due to the throw away mindset of development and the lack of any real elx repair shops, you would then attach yourself to the ground point for anti static reasons. Though internal (both chip and board level) anti static solutions are the norm.
the system loads fairly quick, even in today's standard
SHUFFLEPUCK! Best game for the Classic B/W Macs ever!
yes I played shuffle puck cafe so much back in the day, on my PowerBook 100 :-)
Many years ago I purchased an 8" T-15 screwdriver specifically for disassembling Macintosh Plus computers. I still have it. :)
I can still feel the joy when I had bought this magic box first in my life back in 90's Having this this thing was a matter of proud that time.
I never had a Mac until I bought an iMac a few years ago, but for some reason this still makes me feel nostalgic.
Thanks for sharing. Awesome to live life on the past.
aportos it is
microsoft word was officialy made for the macintosh. if macintosh wasn't there, word not to
I used to service these. Take a close look at the solder connections under the flyback transformer. (the big component that has the wire going to the side of the picture tube. One of the solder connections was notorious for cracking around the pin of the transformer. It would arc for a little bit until the gap was wide enough to prevent contact, so it will be obvious.
I used to play dark castle on my mac plus. The final screen where the dungeon master was throwing beer kegs at you was awesome.
I still have a 512k machine that was upgraded to 2.5MB RAM with the MacSnap upgrade board, and a SCSI port using another MacSnap product. The 25-pin SCSI connector came out of the battery door, so there was no exterior case modification needed.
But can it run crysis?
Fantastic stuff! Thanks for this!
THAT'S 2 MEGABYTES
Awesome video yet again. I'm almost hoping your IIGS monitor gets blurry, because based on your confidence fixing that original Mac monitor, you'll be able to make a video that shows how to fix that! :-) I'm worried the blurry RGB monitor syndrome will hit all my IIGS machines and there won't be much I can do to fix it.
I used to fix these for a school district a long time ago. Look over the analog board for cracked solder points. Most of the time the flyback transformer just needed to have the solder job touched up a bit.
after bootup, It said 2048K Version 5.0 1985 Apple Computer. (that sounds like a 2MB Macintosh to me). Great Review, THANKS!!
still running faster then my actual laptop right now
Finder 5.0 actually belongs to System 2.1. It was the first version to support the Hard Disk 20 -- the performance of which I see is rather lackluster. :-)
Loved Shufflepuck Cafe on the Amiga. Looked great on the Apple IIGS too. Was completely pants on the PC
The computer looks like it has been in that bag for decades so it didn't even need to be cleaned really, just an amazing pickup! I'm still in shock.
Sad thing is, boot times haven't really progressed from this! I saw 4:28-4:48, so about 20 seconds? That's about what you get on a fast SSD, and forget about it on a pure mechanical drive.
***** That's true, but I guess my point was more that storage speed growth hasn't kept up with processor speed growth, but we're along the right path with native PCI-E SSDs and the new NVMe protocol and whatnot.
V A P O R W A V E
W T F ?
Shmeia Terata L I C K M Y A S S
Vaporwave was Macintosh Plus. This was the 128K.
Sorry mate that's the plus you're thinking of
Woops already said
Now it just need and internal SSD
You could use concrete as ground for discharging the CRT,I learned that the easy-ish way,I dont have a Macintosh yet,but I will get one. My dad told me that concrete is ground after my MacBook zapped me a couple of times when I touched it with my wrist while it was charging.
Please be careful! Concrete is not a good ground. Concrete is an electrical insulator. Electricity will not flow into concrete at the extremely high voltages, 10,000+ volts, a CRT discharges. Go outside and use the HOUSE GROUND ROD near the electrical box. It's that copper rod in the ground with the wire going up to the box. It is a true earth GROUND.
+Herb Garcia this is very good information. also sometimes the grounding rod is inside like in my old house it was in the garage on the opposite side of the wall where the breaker box is. but it's always gonna be somewhere near the breaker box in case any of your reading this can't find it
Would it be possible to replace the CRT with a LCD display? Just curious. LCDs don't use as much power as a CRT.
When you're recording the screen you need to lock the focus so it doesn't keep bluing out like that. Also, if your camera allows you to adjust the frame rate of your recording you can tweak that to get rid of the banding issue.
@1:00 spent all my money on these old Macs and had none left for a table, so I have to crouch down on the floor to work on it and demo it... lol
BTW, that mouse connector is called DB9, not DE9... But fun computer nostalgia video nonetheless.
I own two original Macintosh's too and like yours it just says Macintosh on the back of it.
I also own of of those carrying bags as well.My favorite old Macintosh game was Maze War
which was an adaptation of Maze War on the Xerox Alto.
The Orginal Macintosh was freaking amazing for the time. Steve Jobs and his engineering team were amazing!!!
If you think the Original Mac was Amazing for it's time...The Amiga 1000/500 would blow your mind.
Used to administer a network of Mac plus's and later SE's. I got very used to the plus's keyboard and got very fast at typing on it.
Can't remember if I played many games on the machine, except an occasional Tetris round. Also had a Mac Emulator on my Atari ST at home.
It's too bad that old computers often are so yellowed, which makes them look like they've been stored in a smoking lounge for 30 years. Hopefully in a few years we can 3D-print a new identical case for them at a low cost.
Glad you enjoyed it! And hope the games arrive safely.
Want some of those games for my mac Classic!
Yeah, you can definitely tell its pre-SCSI. Thanks for clarifying the version, I thought it was odd that in 1985 they were already up to OS 5! I'll need to boot up some of my earlier system disks and check out the differences.
Love your videos, I can tell you really love old computers.
Man seeing this brought back memories. I may have to dust off my old mac and play with it now.
Whew, CRTs are scary... I once unscrewed the CRT screen from one of my not-so-old macs, since I missed a screw that gives access to the motherboard. I had a hard time putting it back.
Grounding to the chassis only works if you have the AC cable plugged in, otherwise you're just floating the chassis voltage as well
What was "Fart" in the games folder? Lol
Good eye! so funny
Basically everything.
Probably just the name of a game save from a previous owner.
Maybe the sound test 🤣
Just got my 512k working!
Thank you for the tear down instructions. I imagine this will be similar on the Plus.
I've tracked down previous owners by the documents left on the drives, its amazing how much financial stuff people leave on things that they give away! That machine looks to have the Mac Plus ROMs installed (it autobooted the HD20) and it might have upgraded RAM too (Finder claims 2048k of something). Its likely a cleaner add-on then the Hyperdrive 20 I had, imagine someone retrofitting an internal 3.5" full height MFM drive inside that tiny case!
Yes, I believe so. Same form factor, same monitor/chassis. Only the motherboard would be different as well as the 800k floppy disk drive.
I like your video.....It reminded me when I owned a 512KE. It started faster on floppy than my wife's Packard - "Hell" running windows 5 and the screen redraw was a lot faster. I actually had a disk copy program that would let you copy commercial disks. Cool stuff back then.
I got the mac se fdhd and too bad the hard drive is dead. It won't spin up but a quick smack or two fixes that but the actuator arm won't move. If it did I could invade privacy and see what cool stuff is on it. I just bought a new 230mb hard drive for it. So excited to get it working.
That was cool. Never got to play with a MacIntosh.
Still faster than some of today's PCs :))
For sure faster than a lot of the crap Apple sells nowadays like macsminis etc...
I guarantee if you loaded up this software on a PC today, it would be able to play the games itself at about 100 times the speed.
"With the machine discharged, we can touch it. ANYWHERE WE WANT."
Yup, that will happen over time with these old CRTs. Most likely you'll have to open it up and adjust the focus potentiometer (small little knob) by turning it with the computer on to see how far to turn it. I've had to do that on my Galaga before. Just don't touch any other components, especially around the anode cap or you'll get a shocking surprise! :)
12:45 - The splash screen for Microsoft Word says "(c) 1987 Microsoft Corporation", but then says "Silicon Beach Software, Inc". I wonder what the go is with that? I know Silicon Beach made lots of Mac software like Super Paint... but MS Word???
That was awesome, especially right at the end with that guy's resume lol.
thats amazing (!) image quality with crt monitor :-0
Surprisingly, black mode exists in MacOS since '84
I remember playing Oregon Trail on I forgot if it's an iMac or Macintosh.
I can't believe how good shufflepuck works!!! :o how did they do this?!
OMG I'm sooo jealous! By the way TanRu Nomad, if you could answer this it would be great: Is it possible to emulate this OS (5.0) on a modern macbook air? Thanks in advance :)
"Sal's newest resume". The origin of the sickness of adding "new" to the filenames..
You are not discharging anything if chassis wasnt grounded.
+fradd Well, in the odd chance he was also touching the chassis.... ;-)
Steve Jobs invented the Macintosh Computer in his garage in 1980. The first Mac was called the Lisa and it made millions of dollars. After the Mac, Steve Jobs went on to design the iPhone and the rest is history.
I used to have this I truly regret getting rid of it
I read that some pre-SCSI hard drives connected to the modem port.
imagine playing gta iv on this computer.
very cool indeed! Wish I had an original Mac
Did you look at the signatures inside the case?
was there any development with the "poopie" file? i'm intrigued.
I've got a 512k as well! But it's a bit more...interesting. It's got an accelerator board with a 68020 CPU running at 16MHz (with matching 68881 FPU) and 4MB of RAM!
The Macintosh is the mother of all the pc's, after the Apple II and the Lisa...
shufflepuck looks like pong taken to the next level
I owned a Mac 512k, Plus, IISi, IICi and finally a quadra 700 I loved those machines before apple took a shit lol. Awesome video though thanks for sharing.
Oh and he says a little shock huh try about 50,000 Volts worth give or take that is stored even after about 5 years without being plugged in that would be a lot of shock lol.
Shufflepuck, brickles and mac bugs I remember those games very well.
5 years? I’ve never heard of any flyback holding a charge for that long.
What happens if the crt goes out in a vintage pc like this- is there any way to get a replacement?
O yeah.. cool :-) Amazing computer :-)
There was believe it or not an internal hard drive for the original Macintosh, Wow!!!! Talk about doing surgery. I would like to find it and install it, just for fun.
incredible Sounds
The best computer of its age
Man almost thought Brian Posehn gave me a Macintosh Review.
Hahaha!
0:00 *I KNOW!!!*
I feel that the small size, all-in-one form, and limited internal expand-ability worked against the original Mac. Psychologically it feels like you are getting less for your money than with other similar priced computers. Yes, the OS is advanced but that isn't something that users can physically touch. The IBM 5150 took up lots of space on a desk and visually looks like more bang for the buck. Small computers would become a 'thing' in the future, but at the time portability wasn't a feature many people were interested in.
Looks like old Sal is still working after a quick google search. I guess he didn't learn about deleting your files before dumping or selling your old computer.
Also, I've never seen anyone use needle nose pliers to pull the flyback anode, I usually just use the same flathead that I use to discharge it. Either way works, I'm just paranoid of getting shocked and prefer to have it grounded to the chassis the entire time. I've seen a few that hold charges even after grounding multiple times.
Much more than a 512K. It's reporting 2MB in the About this Macintosh. And I thought that indicator reported memory free, so maybe it's 2.5MB?
Insanely great
Once you add 3rd party RAM upgrades (a hack), then it's not a Mac 128K or 512K anymore. Those models are defined by their RAM, which was not made to be upgradable. What you have there is essentially a Mac Plus with 2MB of RAM in the original casing.
Now everything is the same, but more pleasant...
so small..and powerful for its age
will this run cod ghosts .
of course not
***** If you were taking this serious, o.m.g
Yes, but it won't run Crysis.
It can barely run it's own OS, so COD:G.... probably not...
looneyburgmusic It's called sarcasm...
Museum of Modern Art Quality
Nice find on that hard drive with all the games on it! How long does it take to install an old Mac game on a hard drive like that?
Hi fox,
My 128k Macintosh shows only half of display when i turn it on what does this mean? What went wrong?
I wish I could have one so I could sell it and buy an Amiga 1200
At 2:30 you clip a wire to the metal chassis. How is that grounded though? That floor is not a good conductor is it?
Inaflap Anything metal is a ground. Same for car batteries.
Aaaaaaahhh! CRYSTAL QUEST! THE very most addictive Mac game (after Shufflepuck!). :D
Why would you swap the components from the better machine to the crappier one?
7:00 Shufflepuck! That game was badass!
Yay! "Find the cursor" game!!