The Himmler Solution - Secret Peace Talks With Roosevelt & Churchill
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- Most people know that Himmler tried to negotiate with the Western Allies in the last weeks of the war in Europe, but few realise that he actually negotiated extensively with the British and Americans going all the way back to 1940 - his aim? Topple Hitler, make himself leader and end the war in the West. It has also been suspected that Himmler had links with the German resistance movement, links nobody talks about today. Find the full story here...
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Sources
- 'A Deal with the Nazi Dictatorship?: Himmler's Alleged Peace Emissaries in Autumn 1943', Richard Breitman, Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 30, No.3, July 1995
- Himmler's Secret War: The Covert Peace Negotiations of Heinrich Himmler', Gene Mueller, The Journal of Military History, Vol. 70, No. 3, July 2006
- Foreign Relations of the United States: Diplomatic Papers, 1944, General, Volume 1: The Office of the Historian, US Department of State, Washington DC
- SS-1: The Unlikely Death of Heinrich Himmler, Hugh Thomas, (London: Fourth Estate, 2001)
- 'Reichsfuhrer-SS Himmler Pitches Washington: Dispatch from Wartime Sweden', John H. Waller, Central Intelligence Agency
There’s more research and factual history in a single Mark Felton upload than an entire season of television shows on the History Channel these days. For that I am grateful!
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To be fair tv shows get called out for straight plagiarism 😂 feel free to google all the examples of him straight plagiarizing people
great diction too
The man has a Time Machine I’m convinced
This goes on to show us that history is a far more complicated affair than most people usually think.
@peelsherrif0995 : ¡¡¡Lo que sucede es que la MAYORÍA DE LA GENTE se ha contentado con narrativas históricas para IDIOTAS!!!
I think it also might suggest that the Nazi chiefs probably played the end of the war in the worst possible way.
...or _is_ it?
The Harriman, the Dulles, Henry Ford, and Prescott Bush were investing in Germany from the 1920s to 1941 and Henry Ford even continued to let the Germans build Ford Trucks on licence AFTER 1941. The attempt to install a Fascist dictatorship in 1934 was prevented by General Smedley Butler (Author to: War is a racket!) who pretended to go on with the coup attempt by the named US traitors until Roosevelt and General Butler ended it. But the criminals obviously got away? Few historians dare to bring these facts up!
@@kafon6368 Yes it is, because history is generally written by the victors. The Romans knew this.... and so do we.
Himmler being the one pushing for peace the most is a delicious irony of History.
Peace for whom? Certainly not for those in the internment camps. Nazis are Nazis are Nazis.
Why? Did it never occur to you before, that popularised historiography is prone to be riddled with semi-truths and deceptive stories that fulfil the purpose of cementing the victors' narrative? Feeling confused about nazi endeavour to maintain peace is rather indicative for the success of that narrative. Hitler himself always revealed the endeavour to prevent war, until it became futile. The popular version of this part of history likes to pretend that he only did so to conceal his alleged aggressiveness, but once this veil of distortion from Allied propaganda is lifted and the facts are actually considered, there is only one proper conclusion: Hitler did not want war, but, he wanted safety and prosperity for Germany, not being susceptible to aggression from outside anymore, as WWI had taught a bitter lesson about Germany's vulnerability. That endeavour could easily be distorted as an alleged aggressiveness, but that kind of twisting the facts is to be expected in the context of such a massive conflict that WWII constituted.
Not really considering that he literally sued for peace when the war was lost. Wouldn't surprise me if even Hitler himself secretly did the same
Also, Churchill pushing for war in lieu of peace negotiations. The more I learn about Churchill, the less I respect his legacy.
@@rodrod959 He deserves NO respect. Same for Roosevelt and Eisenhower. Especially Eisenhower for he's "Unarmed military combatants" Warcrimes. Look up a book or video called Other Loses.
No matter how you cut it, this video is an absolute bombshell. You realize that the "official" information we're given has never anything to do with what's happening behind closed doors.
Indeed. I wonder what else was hidden from us? Or even lied about in order to promote a certain political agenda? Hmmm…✡️✡️✡️
Indeed, and now go and watch Europa: The last battle
@rottkivanus I watched it. It's just pro-Nazi propaganda. Almost all of its claims are easily debunked.
Wait til you find out the civil war was fought because Lincoln lied to the entire south about his intentions on slavery in order to win the election! Go look up his speeches about sending them all to Haiti and turning America pure white as soon as he was elected!
And now think about how it was taught to you in school! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
People paying attention know that Germany always wanted Armistice with The West, though
Just so much murky shenanigans going on, weren't there. Multiple German factions trying to double-cross Hitler, multiple British factions urging Churchill to take the deal, and even Stalin playing footsie under the table with Germany. Wild stuff.
It´s just like Investment Banking at Bonus Time !!
Politics is a tart's game.
It's just like the WEF controling governments in the free world today. They are the new Nazis now.
Stalin was worse than Hitler let's get fair dinkum here!
Because country/faction has its self-interest first.
Dr Felton’s apposite final comments regarding the ‘embarrassment’ the release of certain information on this topic could cause to the reputations of key allied participants, some in very senior positions, is key to this. Many of the records held by both the U.S. and British governments that could throw informed light on this will probably never be made public in my lifetime, if ever. As always, great work by Dr Felton.
The disturbing aspect is: Do you (or anyone else, think), that this kind of political behaviour changed in the last 80 years? I don't think so. Politics was, is and always will be the dirtiest component of human exchanges and the public may see 30% of whats going on. The rest happens "behind the curtain". Maybe in a 100 years our granchldren will listen to the same kind of stuff, but about the War in the Ukraine.
Machiavelli is dead for nearly 500 years, but his statements about a successful ruler stand the test of time.
@@aristophanes5261I agree generally. I think there is undoubtedly more transparency now than there was during Machiavelli’s time, but obviously politics will always be some form of game in a democracy. In my opinion, the two party state is to blame for a lot of this and I believe that the office of president as it exists is totally misshapen. The founding fathers never intended for the executive to be so powerful, and the cult of personality surrounding the president is a toxin to American politics.
And the main focus to eliminate the paper trail by the allies as the war came to a close.
Is the Biden administration talented enough and taken seriously enough to engage in such machinations over the Middle East? Russia ? Red China ? I would be interested in people's thoughts on this.
@@dcspangler8025 Allies knew well enough about German atrocities happening to Jews, Poles, Roma and other people. Reports from Polish Home Army were sent from early days of WW2. They choose to ignore them.
This puts an interesting perspective on Himmler’s “suicide” while in British custody immediately after the war, which Dr. Felton has already discussed in an excellent series of videos.
To put his suicide into air quotes is to stray into the realm of pointless conspiracy theory.
@@BadgerOfTheSea : Lo que pasa es que quieres aferrarte a las MENTIRAS con que te alimentaron desde pequeño ...
@@salvadorvillegas3569aferrate a este más bien 😉
Oh no, how could people actually question things for themselves!!!!???@@BadgerOfTheSea
@OfTheSea No, "conspiracy" fact. There were a ton of "conspiracies" during the 2nd world war and in the period after. Many of which are known and not in dispute.
"Conspiracy theory" is just a slur word to hand waive away anything you cannot rebut.
I have no idea if he was killed or did it himself, but to dismissively shout "conspiracy theory!!!!" is the height of stupidity!
You throw light on Churchill’s conduct of the war; his actions and motives were more complicated than is generally understood.
Like sending troops into Greece ill prepared
Yeah to say the least...
Like being paid to advocate for war endlessly at any cost, burning his evil empire down out of spite
Churchill like most leaders during the war was an absolute goddamn monster
But what do you expect from the man who caused the most miserable campaign in WW1 and somehow didn't get executed for incredible incompetence but somehow failed upwards and was perpetually shitfaced drunk
On May 22, 1945, in Great Britain, on the initiative of Winston Churchill, a plan was developed to attack the Soviet army in Europe. In the military campaign against the USSR, the British were going to act in alliance with the Americans, Germans and Poles. There was also a defensive option - in case the Red Army advanced far to the West and Churchill would have to defend his own island. Both plans were part of the secret Operation Unthinkable.
After the surrender of Nazi Germany, Churchill radically changed his position towards the USSR, considering from now on the communist regime in Moscow the main threat to the Western democratic world. According to the terms of the Yalta Conference, the Soviet Union still faced a war with Japan. London and Washington were extremely interested in military assistance from their ally in Asia, so Churchill saved hostile attacks against the USSR for later.
Well his dream came true, his probably laughing in his grave.
After the WW2 🇨🇦 took 37 000 UkrainianNaziSS, 🇬🇧 between 6000 - 10 000Naz, the rest went to South and North America, mostly Argentina.
@@monaliza3334 : Si se rió antes de morir es porque era un fiel servidor al poder judeo-masónico ya que con su política de destruír el III Reich fue al mismo tiempo el sepulturero del imperio británico y les hizo el favor a los sionistas ... pero lo cierto es que murió OLVIDADO y solo la buena prensa de sus amigos judíos lo sostienen como un adalid histórico ....
The Dulles brothers says it all , They had their fingers in a lot of Pies , Good one Dr Felton.
And open top limousines (dramatic Felton outdo music)
@@johndough1703 100%
John Foster and Alan Dulles were two of the founders of the Deep State.
2:25 Wow - just WOW... As a German: This is completely new to me. I never heard of this Goerdeler-von-Moltke liaison before. This is truly fascinating. Remarkable piece (again), thanks Mr Felton👍
All correspondence was classified as high as possible. And stayed that way for decades. Hours after Himmler was caught by the British, he was dead. Imagine if Himmler testified or gave interviews!
Von Moltke was a key figure in the July 20th plot on Hitler.
Have you ever seen Europa the last battle???
@krakrtreacysr907 Yes.
@@RBAILEY57 what did u think, just curious??
I wish Dr. Felton was my history teacher throughout high school. I absolutely HATED history class back then but LOVE it now.
I was so blessed to have an amazing history teacher in 10th grade. He was tough as nails. Only 2 of us (me and another girl in my class) out of 160+ students got an A from him all year. Mark would liked him I think. He was amazing,smart, and made us think. Rip Mr hatch, you were a wonderful person and teacher
In university I was blessed to have a history teacher who as a boy lived on a farm in Germany. He emigrated to Canada at 15. His specialty was German history. I took his course on the 12 year history of NAZI Germany and WW2 mainly from the German perspective. He was a wonderful lecturer.
I'm glad that people like you exist Mark. Dedication to the truth is important.
Most videos in this channel cover curious incidents of minor importance, but this one is at another level. It shows how politics works at the high echelons, even in wartime, and how fragile national and ideological allegiances are in face of circumstances and ambitions.
Yes, this is big. But all his work on the odds and ends has not lessened his overall grasp of historiography
Eh, I think it says more about the strength of the allegiance between the US and UK. Amid all this plotting there's not a single instance of betrayal between the two. If anything, they helped each other plot against the other powers.
@@AllUpOns there's a BBC documentary showing how the US dismantled the British empire, you should see it
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PARA TU CONOCIMIENTO : los masones y judeo-masones sean de la nación que sea son fraternos así sus países y gobiernos estén en guerra ... ESA ES LA BASE DE SU PODER ¡¡¡hoy llamado GLOBALISMO!!!
The influence of bankers can’t be overestimated as history shows in the subsequent activities of the Dulles Brothers
I have learnt more from mark about world war 2 history than my entire school life
We all have!
That jump-scare around 7:02 scared the hell out of me, listening in the middle of the night... hahah
I was listening to this at my desk at work, and I nearly jumped out of my chair lol
Same 😂
😁 😂
Among the intrigue of the secret negotiations, especially through 1941, the British knew that an extended war would ruin them financially and force them to give up colonies in Asia & Africa, particularly India. The US didn't want to get into another European war and along with the British wanted the Nazis continue to fight the Soviets. Himmler wanted power and attempted peace that would leave him in charge of Germany. As Mark Felton states, there are lots of details we still don't know after 85 years, but the British & US governments need to release the information.
Governments with secrets tend to do what they want.
> wanted the Nazis continue to fight the Soviets.
Good. The two monsters would have militarily exhausted each other without US Lend-Lease to the Soviets.
I feel there's much still that we don't know about WW2 and the behind the scenes machinations, but Doctor Felton may well be the chap to enlighten us.
@usuario-se7es6u8v : Lo más seguro es que lo que sabes sobre la WWII sea pura basura ...
> I feel there's much still that we don't know about WW2
The Allies won.
But the allies, include russia. And russia exterminated about 6 times as many people as Germany did. Allies seems like a negative label when you view it in that context
@@kenw2225 Thats an irrelevant context/
A fascinating insight that I had almost no idea of. Thank you.
Your final comment regarding the unclear circumstances around Himmler's death are particularly enlightening.
It would have been extremely embarrassing for the British, Americans, Swedes, Russians et al, if he'd spilled the beans in any subsequent trial. His potential assassination and subsequent attempts to cover it up all make a lot of sense in the light of this programme.
Just a tid bit convenient, ain't it my pedigree chum..??
It has always been seen that it is illogical for a commander of security services in Reich to wear the uniform of a German soldier and surrender himself to the allies, leaving behind a picture of his body to show no trace of an attempt to hide his identity. The story of him hiding as a simple soldier and then being arrested by the British by chance and committing suicide to destroy his honor is an illogical story.
Most likely, he surrendered himself to the Allies, like Goering, and tried to negotiate with them, then they decided to kill him immediately so that he would not say a dangerous word.
@@jaaackaissa1633 yep. also, Heydrich was probably kiIIed by both Brits and Himmler in order not to expose their connection. In the end Brits kiIIed Himmler. Same as Mussolini, he was working for Brits in WW1, in 1917 he was paid 100punds per week (10.000 in today money) to spread pro-British propaganda in Italian newspapers. Not even a theory, but historical facts.
This shows that the financial interests that profit from war are usually stronger than the side trying to gain peace. This is why today we have never ending wars.
There is no business like......
But in this case powerful bankers and industrial leaders were in the peace camp. I suspect their long term fear was greater than the short term loss of war time profit.... the fear being huge Soviet/communist influence into western Europe which of course would not be a profitable capitalist development.
Show business?
the side trying to gain peace would've put the SS in charge, that is no good thing. The side of "peace" (surrendering Europe to SS Nazi tyranny) was the side of the greedy and wealthy who feared communism. Fighting was the only right solution when the enemy is so clearly evil. Usually I'd be pro-negotiation but NEVER with the Nazis should people think that we should've given up the fight
So the financial interests are even stronger today? Or why does that explain why we have never ending wars today?
When I used to hear the theme music for the 1970s show The World At War, I used to run into the lounge. I knew my Dad would be watching it. I get that same old feeling when I hear your shows theme music. Absolutely love your channel mate.
I agree with you with regard to Himmler's convenient death in British hands. I saw your video on Himmler's death. Another great job, professor! Thanks!
Another information packed episode. Rather than dragging it out over many weeks and creating additional clickbait the way most TH-camrs would, we have a treatise that instead bears rewatching again and again. Great job!
Yes! So refreshing, that.
Believe it or no, this version was well known by the Soviet people at least since 1969 by the novel "Seventeen Moments of Spring" by Yulian Semyonov, the book adopted as a television mini-series, which was filmed in 1971-72 and had a large popular success at that time...
Great vid, almost all new to me. 1. This makes Rudolph Hess’ flight and peace feelers to England seem less of an isolated event. 2. It’s often said that Hitler was incompetent as a military strategist, that’s probably a true statement but keep in mind that in their postwar biographies all German generals tended to blame AH for military failures and ascribed the successes to themselves. This has influenced the historiography of the German campaigns to a large extent.
Himmlers odd demise at Brit hands was not the only Nazi peacenik's. The strange death of Hess in Spandau in British control when even the Soviet's were agreeing to release him silenced another fount of historical information 😊
Few historical figures were treated as unfairly as Hess.
Hess didn't kill himself
He was Epsteined
@@shannonquinn8687
Control rotated. Hess was under British control when he died
@@tomhenry897 Before Epstein was Epsteind...
It appears that loyal Heinrich wasn't loyal at all.
He was just being pragmatic. He knew Hitler was in a hopeless situation, so he went on his own initiative and tried to save something of Germany. It was the same with Goring.
Hitler was delusional about the loyalty of his closest associates. They were drug addicts and/or psychopaths for the most part and generally just the dregs of society. Why would you trust them?
"Mein ehre heisst treue" ... as long as it will bring me power.
@@Occident.no this was in 1939/1940!! While the Germans were winning
Himmler was not the only one who realised (1) In the long run, Germany could not win and (2) Hitler was too irrational to win in any case. So any negotiated peace deal would be better than none.
After watching the video on Himmler's strange death at the hands of the allies, I've wondered why they would be so keen to dispatch the chicken farmer; now I know! Thanks again, Dr. Felton!
Oh, what could have been. Millions of lives saved. Unbelievable. Never even heard of this before. Mr. Felton, you never cease to amaze me. Just when I think I've learned all there is to know about this period in history. My hat's off to you sir. Idk how you do it. I've never seen anyone else present this material. Class act as always. Thank you. ✌️
I wonder what would've happened if Georg Elser succeeded with his plan against A.H. the year before the war in 1938 after the Munich agreement? Perhaps no WW2 at all or a war where most of Europe fights against the Soviet Union.
I'm not convinced it would've saved all that many lives, honestly. I think it would have led to a much hotter Cold War, potentially Soviet occupation of the whole of Europe if it occurred after 1943 -- unless the western Allies decided to make an issue out of the Soviets going to Italy or France. That war would've been cataclysmic.
@@tglake2894 the Soviets did take half of Europe! They would have never been powerful enough to take on the western allies plus Germany. There are so many "what ifs" with WW2, crazy.
@MVProfits Well that's the thing, though, regarding saving millions of lives -- the western Allies fighting the USSR would've been devastating, considering the losses the US and UK took fighting the remnants of German divisions ruined on the Eastern Front
@@tglake2894USSR would have no choice but to surrender if all of Europe and the US were against it.
I am fascinated with World War II in the European theater and your videos are just absolutely phenomenal. Bringing up little things that most folks don’t even consider. I am getting one hell of an education from you, Mark thank you very much for what you do. I do have a question that’s been sitting in the back of my head for a few years that I’ve been wanting to ask a military historian aboutspecifically June 22, 1941
Well I do declare, this work by Dr Felton sounds like a short doctoral dissertation. Simply outstanding‼️
You are absolutely correct concerning Himler's demise at the hands of the british authorities when he was arrested at the end of WW2.
I have been viewing Dr. Felton's videos for about 7 years now and without a doubt, this is by far his best video yet!!!
"When I meet Eisenhower, should I give the Nazi salute, or shake his hand?"
What's quoting Goering got to do with a video on Himmler?
@@jimmyavpi Himmler had asked this question in the movie "Downfall" LOL
@Ostheim yeah because movies are always true aren't they?
@@jimmyavpiGod damn dude chill. The guy was just quoting the movie, you dont have to get butthurt about that.
@harmiperse2 sorry dude, unlike you I prefer real women so I don't get butthurt.
The ironic thing is, the intense political, corporate and financial entities involved in shenanigans like this can totally be classified in the realm of 'conspiracy theories'. If stuff like this was done behind closed doors, in modern times you can bet your butt that even worse is happening.
don't worry. be happy.
Of course worse is happening. How do you think politicians on a salary become multi millionaires so regularly.
Thank you, Dr. Felton. I've studied WW2 for 60 years, and I've learned so much from your videos.
This one puts some puzzle pieces together. Your theory about Himmler's demise is quite plausible.
As I did not yet see this video in its entirety, I only can assume that this is about contacts between the Western Allies and German resistance figures.
Having read "Roosevelts Weg zum Krieg 1933-1939" by Dirk Bavendamm, I came to learn quite some interesting details about the advent of WWII in Europe. F.D. Roosevelt was continuously affecting French, British and Polish politics and diplomacy with the intent to launch war against Germany as soon as possible. He had to evade Congress' vigilance in doing so, but he succeeded in his goals nevertheless, which meant that he extorted the French and British with possible retention of American war support, should war become imminent.
The conclusion of all of these details may be quite inconvenient to the popularised narrative on WWII in Europe, as the initiation of war could have been prevented, if that presidential meddling had not taken shape as it did. Peace talks between Britain, France, Poland and Germany were realistically gravitating towards actual peace, if left unaffected by this kind of illicit intriguing.
Eventually, Hitler was left with hardly any other option than to proceed as he did. Peace options had dried out, but not solely due to his alleged war-mongering, as the common narrative likes to stress.
Good night Irene, the “Palace Intrigue” that occurred during WW II is mind boggling to say the least. I knew of the peace advocates in the British government and Churchill’s mindset that it was a necessary evil to remain as Prime Minister. I was not aware the U. S. was so heavily involved as well. It does, seemingly, layout the different characters motivations (big business, politicians, financiers, etc). Oh what a totally different world we would have today had the secret machinations won the day. Thank you Dr. Felton for presenting this excellent report and video.
@shannonsullivan1968 : Conforme se va sabiendo la verdad y el rol tan VIL de los británicos, quedará reprochar que Hitler no diera la orden de masacrar a los 444,300 anglo-franceses en Dunkerke y ese día habría ganado la guerra ....la URSS stalinista solo se sostuvo por el poder judeo-masónico de EEUU con un presidente CRIPTOJUDÍO que los utilizó como su banco de sangre ....
When Churchill heard Lord Halifax passed away, he quipped: "Cremate him. Bury him. Take no chances."
Apparently no love lost
ChurchiII was the among the worst criminaIs in both WW's (and between), we'll never even know the true extent of his scheming.
See that guy standing to the right of General Guderian at 29 seconds? That's Fegelein. "FEGELEIN! FEGELEIN!! FEGELEIN!!!" LOL!
Indeed it is! Good catch
Yes! I'm glad I'm not the only one who always notices him in these films and thinks of his ignominious end.
Wonder if he was plotting antics? Lol! Those Downfall parody videos immortalized him.
@@morganmills13 Absolutely he was! you should definitely check out Mark Felton’s video on him..... total character always scheming for more power as he married the sister of Hitler’s mistress to get ahead. This background is a crazy story I won’t spoil it for you.
Some years ago I read Tigers in the mud by tank ace Otto Carius. What I found surprising was his account of how he received one of his medals from Himmler. Despite Himmler apparently being a teetotaller and non smoker he was quite happy for Carius to do so and seems to have been a perfect host who also listened and allowed Carius to talk freely.
I'm a huge fan of alternate history novels and there were enough plots and plot twists in that 30 min video to make a 3 or 4 volume series. Amazing stuff as always.
Holy Smokes.....the possible "re-think", if not total re-writing of what history has told us.....is staggering here, if you "connect-all-the-dots". What a turn-around !!!......
WHO writes history? The victors. Who are they? Who gained most of this war? Who wanted it the most?
@@mc-lb9dk The Americans didn't want it at all, and ended up with almost everything.
Churchill never, ever let peace get in the way of a war. War that would feed his hysteria about his place in history.
And in the end, Great Britain lost its Empire and its Socialists wrecked the economy.
There we have it. Churchill didn´t want the war to end until Germany was destroyed. Also didn´t care about the Bristish soldiers that would die in the process. Fantastic video.
Who knows. One group of facts may present something. There may be other reasons for anything?
Or had no intention of trusting a post war Germany led by Himmler. Not that outrageous really.
well, that was knew to you??
Common knowledge.
Not so, it was agreed previously by stalin Churchill rooseveldt
Only unconditional surrender would be accepted.
I was aware that in the early stages of success with the German attack on the Soviet Union, the Soviets entertained and submitted a potential diplomatic solution to the war with Stalin. Stalin would offer Von Ribbentrop and Hitlerite Germany the land taken thus far in the USSR, if they would stop the invasion and cease offensive hostilities. Germany turned this overture down (this was prior to November 1941). Later the reverse occurred, when an offer was made by Germany to halt the war in the East if Russia would commit to the status quo and the war would cease. As the Soviets knew the war was being handily won with their succeeding victories against the Axis, they held the upper hand. Naturally, in both cases there was cause for the "winning" side to decline these offers. However, I was not aware of the exigencies of the process described in this video by the particular groups, agencies and organizations described with details here. Good research. Many questions I had have now been answered.
It is kind of odd how accurate Hitler was with his paranoia. Even before the war some of his highest ranking were plotting his downfall, and even from the outset the closest and most trusted of his inner circle were planning to overthrow him, with all of these plans being independent.
Honestly, it's impressive he lasted as long as he did and it wasn't an overthrow that ended it, but himself.
I don't know if that speaks to the might of Hitlers cult of personality, or the cowardice of those in it. Probably both.
Paranoia? Perhaps one day he realized, "Mein gott, I'm surrounded by nazis!"
kinda the nature of being top dog all the puppies want ur bone
There were over 40 attempts on the life of Adolph Hitler.
Go and watch “greywolf” hitler’s escape to Argentina. Tells a story of how he escaped and lived in South America with His wife. Had a daughter who still lives there today. I’m not saying it’s true, but it’s interesting, especially since the CIA and FBI were investigating it and had reports of Hitler being hidden by the German population in Argentina.
He was incredibly intelligent. Genius would be an understatement. So of course he had accurate situational awareness.
For some reason, Allied occupiers decided to test the IQ's of reich leadership. You can find the results easily, but I recall that leaders with IQ's of 140-150 testified that they felt dumb around A.H. and that he was an incredibly quick thinker.
Fifty years of reading WWII history but this video turned me into a naked baby. Absolutely shocked by the revelations of this video. I am also reminded of how little I really know about the current situation in American (world) politics. But that is the delicious thing about history, the peeling away of the machinations of heroes and villains. Hats off to Dr. Felton!
This is a masterclass in historic research. Seriously, Dr. Felton, as far as I'm concerned you are the world's foremost authority on WW2.
It's worth exploring the perspectives of others, too. No one person has a monopoly on knowledge of these very complicated times
The detail you offer up in these mini-documentaries is often astounding, Dr. Felton. Thank you for continuing to provide us such exceptional content. I look forward to every upload!
Check out The Bad War by M.S. King , The Greatest Story Never Told by Denis Wise , movie Europa. Also Kennedy's Diary and what he wrote
@@JohnSmith-qz1br Thanks for the recommendation, I will check those out.
A fascinating story, as usual, brilliantly presented. Such plots and counter-plots amongst so many aristocrats, industrialists, politicians on both sides of the Atlantic whilst tens of millions died.
Thank you Dr Felton for shedding a very informative light on what we all know was a very dark and murky process during WW2.
That was one of your best episodes ever, so juicy with details, double and triple crossing plots.
Man! That's mindboggling. Completely BELIEVABLE. This interpretation, at least thru early 1941, IMO clears up the whole 'Hess' affair mystery. DEFINITELY AH☠️ would have known and probably hoped for a development. Incredibly it nearly SANK the English Churchill faction when Germany very nearly pulled off the defeat of Russia through OBarbarrossa..
Truly remarkable quality. Just discovered this channel and, of course, I am hooked. Absolutely superb on all levels. Thank you, Dr. Felton; bravo, sir.
I would love to see a dr. Felton coverage of the Morgenthau plan ...
Amazing content. It shows how Hitler's super ambitious plans for conquest made a lot of high ranking Nazis uneasy. Hitler wanted radical, history altering changes, while many of his followers wanted to maintain their power and status, and were not as willing to risk it all. Just like all the high ranking UK politicians being uneasy about Churchill's all out war stance. That Himmler was likely assassinated by the British makes sense indeed! It would have been great to know how much was it treachery on his part (before 1945 anyway) and how much it was his way to try tp keep the war to just one front, against the Soviet Union.
Mark please do a video on the Maison Rouge meetings please please please
Wow, this is eye opening. Yes, it's pretty oblivious now why Himmler was eliminated at the end of the war by the allies.
I have never watched or listened to one of the good doctor's episodes without learning something new about an are of interest I have actively pursued for 40 years. Thanks for the outstanding work, youtube is a very much better place for it!
The peace negotiations throughout WW2 are a fascinating untold story.Well done Mark.I don't think you could have published this when I was a child!
This might probably be my favourite video of yours, Dr Felton. I stopped watching a few months ago due to lack of time but Gor damn the content youve made thus far is perfect for binge watching!
ok Gor
Mark this is a stand Alone GOAT!!! OMG Nothing in the past comes close and that is saying something as your content is some of the best and worthy of an Oscar a Grammy and the Victoria Cross!!
You and your channel got me through cancer and the treatments. All clear for 3 years now. I am a lover of all History but your grasp of WW2 is without equal. If I ever hit the Lottery you are on my funding list.....lol thank you
Incredible information. Thank you so much Dr. Felton!
Perhaps this is just my way to interpret the story, but hearing all this my view of Churchill worsens by the day.
I am at a point where I find it hard to believe how so many hail him as a hero.
> my view of Churchill worsens by the day
Harry Churchill or the other one, you know, the man whose speeches incrreased Allied morale.
I always thought I had a lot of knowledge myself relating to WW2 but Dr Felton never ceasing in stopping me in my tracks. This one really took me aback and made me realise just how little I really know. Many thanks Dr Felton and I look forward to my next lesson !
Imagine the course of History if this had worked.
Germany fighting the USSR with Allied support would have been something Stalin had suspicions might happen.
One can certainly see Gen Patton wanting in on that.
Fantastic stuff! To me it was allways somewhat odd that Himmler tried to negotiate peace with the west only in the final stages of war.. This make more sense, he was negotiating with them much earlier!
This should be a 3 hour documentary film in 3 parts. Well done as usual.
One of the Best of the best episodes in my opinion.....such detail on this subject.....which I have not heard anywhere else......
Once again your work outdoes itself Mark. You conduct your work in such a fascinating way, i can sit hear for bloody hours listening to your melodic voice and soaking up great information like a dry sponge 😅. Bravo! And cheers for the great work Mark. From Australia 🦘
I’ve always thought Himmler’s death in British custody seemed a little fishy. This whole story would make a great book.
Mark Felton: *uploads historical video*
The whole internet: yes
Absolutely fascinating, Dr. Felton. Thank you.
This is the most astonishing video of yours that I’ve ever seen
Haha, what a connection at the end there! Imagine Himmler going off on trial of his peace negotiations, would've been a few red faces indeed
Why do I think this episode is Part One of something bigger ??? Thank you Dr Felton, everything about this channel is excellent.
Amazing Dr. Felton! I love how you convey your videos. The amount of detail and deep diving that you put into your videos is immaculate. Thank you 😊
Advice, Mr. Felton. Avoid tall buildings in London with a view... 😉
Wow, such detailed research by Mark, shows what a fragmented set of regimes on all sides in the 1940s, so any different today?
There is more research in this episode than you will find in a month of a major news paper or a year in TV news. Fabulous work as always!
Wow, there's a lot of moving parts here, going to have to watch this again. Thanks so much for posting.
Like all of Dr. Felton's videos it is interesting, but alternate interpretations can be given for many of the events. The major issue is that Müller interrogated many of the people "involved" and would have gotten enough information to have implicated Himmler if he was truly involved. However that did not happen.
Imagine a Europe where Russia would have been diminished but Germany lay down it's arms against the other Western Allies 🤔
Well done, Mark! Absolutely fascinating how the intrigue ebbed and flowed.
I have watched WW2 documentaries for over 20 years, never have I ever heard any of this.
Very fascinating facts, thank you for bringing it to life.
What a different world we could have lived in, especially if the peace between Germany and Soviet had gone through.
This is stuff for a movie.
Wow! Amazing video. Extremely shocking stuff, a lot to think about and I am not surprised that this is left out of the overall narrative of the war. Partly because it came to nothing and that it is moderately plausible that unserious negotiation was only done on its face to eliminate Hitler and then cause chaos at the top in order to aid the war effort. Who knows, maybe the betrayal of Himmler was part of the Allies plan as well in this instance? Use Himmler to get close to Hitler, then cut the head off both Hitler and Himmler to make way for a military coup led by men of a more 'robust' and not-so ideologically Nazi caliber, i.e someone that can actually be negotiated with? Maybe so, but that is a very straightforward and I would say moral reason for the negotiations, not something that needs to be de-emphasized and classified. As such, I think a big real reason why we don't hear about it and why documents are still classified in relation to it is because admitting that you took negotiations with a man as infamous as Himmler seriously to _any_ degree when the west had *credible intelligence* that confirmed the extermination camps and plans being both built, carried out & led by the same man they were negotiating with is not only very despicable, but also complicates the "moral" story of the 'values based anti-Nazism' spun as the sole reason we fought the Germans, but as said it is not surprising.
As you say, Himmler's death is very suspicious and _might_ be connected to this. This largely explains why Himmler seemed so confident he could "negotiate" with the west during the fall of Berlin. He had genuine connections, though by that time they were obviously spent & he was delusional to think otherwise. It is also the only motive plausible for him to having been killed (aside from it being an accident) and not be put on trial & executed along with the rest of the ghouls. Perhaps this is also a reason why the Soviets were so outraged at his death as well. They usually had no scruples about valuable SS and Nazi leaders dying in their captivity (like Hitler's relative) or simply being shot without trial. That was literally routine for the Red Army, as thousands of men died by firing squads on the Eastern Front, guilty or not. So why the outrage when they clearly did not give a darn about any process of justice, both on the field and at home?
Then again, they could just be hypocritical and that wouldn't be far fetched to say about the Soviet authorities in general.
Fascinating! Really good research and commentary! Thanks for the element of humor also!
One of my absolute favorite channels to watch. Whenever I see a new video from Dr. Felton, I know it's going to be not only captivating but accurate and objective. Regardless of who's history is being discussed. You're the best, Mark.
This was Felton's best video yet...very important in understanding the roots of the Cold War, as Stalin heard of these shenanigans and feared being left to fight Hitler alone. Also, this points at embarrassing relationships during the war like Prescott Bush managing the money of Hitler's largest financial supporter, Fritz Thyssen, as President of Union Bank in New York. Not to mention Henry Ford and his German plant making trucks for the Wehrmacht, where Ford collected damages when U.S. bombs struck his factory !! This dalliance between the Dulles brothers, secret emissaries, and various German figures led to post war involvement with ex-Nazis on many levels..especially in the U.S., where not only rocket experts were recruited. The almost entire German Army intelligence network under Reinhard Gehlen was used by the U.S. against the Soviets. Fun Fact : supposed JFK assassin Lee Harvey Oswald spent the night before the assassination sleeping at the home of Ruth and Michael Paine. Michael had been friendly with Oswald and even attended a right wing political rally with Lee, held for John Birch member General Edwin Walker. MIchael Paine's BOSS at Bell Helicopter was WALTER DORNBERGER.....former HEAD of Hitler's entire Nazi rocket program !!!....who later became the "father of the Space Shuttle " !!! Could there have been NAZI involvement in JFK's death?? Maybe Felton can find out !!
Thyssen eventually said,, about his support for Hitler, "What a dumkopf I was!"
Hitler: "It's almost like everyone's only pretending to be my friend because they know otherwise, I'd beat them up!"
Amazing video, excellently done! 👍👍
The entire episode is very interesting and informative but your last line is quite the enigma @DrMarkFelton.
Thankyou for another history lesson that makes us all think a bit more about how we got to where we are now. Salute sir!
Excellent The intriguing scenarios pointed out in this episode are truly eye opening
Absolutely fascinating Mr. Felton! I have never heard of these coup talks / plans / proposals between Himmler and various German business leaders / industrialists and bankers who wanted Hitler removed with British and American couriers and intelligence officials all of whom were reporting directly and indirectly to FDR and Churchill, and that Himmler probably was the mastermind behind the July 20, 1944 assassination attempt on Hitler, and the assassination failure and how Himmler's Gestapo immediately had all the coup participants whom he plotted this coup with arrested and executed as quickly as possible (others committed suicide because they knew they would be gruesomely tortured) to prevent them from being captured and talking about Himmler's involvement, it all makes perfect sense; and your theory as to the death of Himmler as a murder by the British in British custody also is perfectly logical and is probably what the actual truth is, he was murdered in order to cover-up the talks he had with the British and Americans early on in the war and during the war which would have most definitely saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of British and American military personnel and thousands of British civilians, and would have prevented the Russians from their westward drive to Berlin and the eventual occupation and seizure of the eastern European countries that eventually became part of the Warsaw pact communist "Iron Curtain" countries under Soviet control for the next 45 or so years, this is why Himmler was murdered - probably on the orders of at least Churchill and maybe Truman (FDR was dead at this point). I am quite sure that any and all documentation (if there were4 any) held by the British and Americans linking Churchill and FDR with this Himmler secret peace talks solution have all been destroyed. A few British officer's forced open Himmler*s mouth and the doctor put that cyanide pill in and they forced him to bite it or the doctor broke it open once he got his fingers into his mouth and then broke it open - hence the reason why his examination for a cyanide pill did not find one and why Himmler was able to eat sandwiches and drink tea before his forced suicide. A large proportion of the roughly 60 million deaths - military and civilians and both sides could have never happened, maybe the Jewish Final Solution could never have happened, and maybe the Cold War and Russia's occupation of Eastern Europe could never have happened had the Himmler Solution actually seriously green-lighted and actively pursued by FDR and Churchill! More research needs to be done on these secret talks between Himmler and FDR and Churchill!
i dont think himmler was the maste5rmind of the bomb plot. just an opportunist.
It clearly shows that millons of people life could be safed if not politicians ambitions, war could be stopped in 1939-1940
Very grateful, as always, for superb Mark Felton history. I had no idea ...
WOW ,such intrigue!! Thanks Dr. Mark.
Absolutely fascinating and possibly Dr Felton's best video. This posits a whole new rationale for Himmler's executing so many hundreds of people after the bomb plot. Was he covering his tracks?
True.
Churchill was a poor strategist (Gallipoli, soft underbelly Italy) and his WW2 policies ended the British empire and brought the Soviets into the heart of Europe.
I disagree. Churchill recognized that the Nazis could never be negotiated with because they were completely untrustworthy and would abuse any opening to further their criminal vision. While Stalin could be accused of the same thing, Stalin was nonetheless working to destroy the Nazis in a way that the allies could not do. To take a page out of Stalin's thinking, the Soviets and Nazis were in a war to the death that would only leave the allies stronger. In the long run this came to pass, at the cost of Eastern Europe.
Keep 'em coming Mark! The most wonderfully, splendidly complicated video you've ever posted! Bravo!
I am in shock listening to this. himler is a confusing character. Thank you Dr Mark Felton for all of this. Such amazing content on this channel.