"if your technological capacities too far outstrip your capacities for ethical reflection, you just destroy yourselves" !love it man, you're brilliant!
Going to push back on this.. not the premise, but the idea that we've surpassed some threshold here. The more you go back in history, the more monstrous and morally diverse and averse you'll see humans.. brutally was the norm. It seems much of technology development up until now has worked to integrate and align humans towards good ethics and goals. (Though the sore parts stand out and there are certainly exceptions) more than ever people are concerned about the future of humanity and our planet and about treating others well.
@@sunnyinvladivostok yes yes, I agree. I find it most likely that people will destroy themselves through a technologically aided utter complacency, more so than utter devastation through technological means. I call it the obsolescence paradox, but I do agree with the underlying premise as stated by Matt too. Check out Levin at the one hour mark... Exactly what I mean.
This video single handed-ly reignited my interest inbiology and philosophy after being fairly uninterested in both fields for a long time. Facing the real problems of our times and engaging with them in new thinking turns my existential fears into existential hopes. Keep it up!
Thought forms are blobs of probability. They are magnetic as frequencies attract. The more psychic energy humankind freely offers to boost a particular probability/outcome, the greater impact of a probability increases to that of a manifested form. This is the work of the age.
So delightful to hear two highly intelligent men deliver their wisdom in such a gentle, humble way, it so utterly refreshing and beautiful to observe. Thank you
Awesome. The metaphor that works for me is that the cognition -agency continuum, as is the case with many other continua, is better understood fractally, in the sense that it's not a a flat continuum within the range of one dimension, but it's between dimensions. And in any case it would be a verb rather than a noun.
I get it that people want to tinker with things. But reliably positive advances require a firm foundation. For example... Elon Musk wants to rush off to Mars but any successful colonization of Mars will require that the conditions prevailing on Earth are stable. Just so with wanting to engage in directing our evolution... until we comfortably understand the environment we find ourselves in any tinkering is premature and conceited.
Disagreed, we'll likely go extinct before we "figure things out", if such a thing is even possible. I agree that ideally we would first get our shit together and deliberate before doing such actions, but we don't have that luxury.
Wonderful. I have so much respect for Michael, and you are both such great communicators it was a really fruitful and rewarding discussion to listen in on. Thanks for doing this I hope you guys can chat more some time in the future. I wrote a drawn out and borderline nonsensical comment a while back on one of your videos, which I won't blame you for not reading nor remembering but I was really struck by the diagram he shares in his slide @ 13:54 and how it simply expresses the gestalt I was trying to translate. When I said I consider the future of humanity as an alien species I mean it in the same way that our predecessors might see us as aliens, even as an adult doing adult things is alien to an infant. I concur with and believe I may have tried to express the same frustration Michael showed for the ways we identify with each other and how they are holding us back -- when moving forward we will almost certainly exercise our ever increasing power to alter our own physiology and in fact we are already doing this whether we like it or not. This is not something to be afraid of. The physical distinctions we choose to define ourselves by are arbitrary in the ultimate sense -- in the same way the distinction between a physical and spiritual reality is arbitrary. & To become capable of changing in this way, but still recognizing each other in some deeper sense is a step forward in blurring the lines between the two if you can see what I mean? We can see this as a physical and technological feat but really it is just a spiritual attainment achieved through physicality as a sort of language or path of intelligibility as opposed to a reality in and of itself...? One which can perhaps transcend even the need for physical means of accomplishing these same feats if we can get there experientially... if that makes sense? I am always so uncomfortable and feel poorly equipped to express the ideas that form like tidal pools on the shores of my mind, so I really can't thank you enough for sharing discussions like these which help me immensely. Also thank you for your explanation of Eternal Objects. I still feel like Whitehead is pretty inaccessible to me but this helps and it is interesting and relevant to my recent contemplation of my own personal approach to my various creative pursuits -- which is not to will something into being but to make space for something that is there and waiting, or to roll out a carpet or let down a draw bridge so to speak. Cheers. Hope all is well for you, and everyone else reading this -- Good love in your life!
Loved this complex conversation as others here did as well. I deeply appreciate both intellects here. Special thanks to Matt when, especially toward the end, did his signature, gentle stretching of the range of metaphysical and human/animal enjoyment we must keep in mind. The conversation makes me mourn, too. I am a craftsman and use various forms of technology all the time. But I fear that the last 100 years or so of fetishizing automation, speed, and "cool shit" may finally be the end of us. Tech now seems driven by a wish for more and more distance from the vague massive intricacy grounding us (see Whitehead, Eugene Gendlin, and others). We must be evidence based, but maybe the data we must attend to is more vast, more "warm", less mathematical/digital than we imagine. Thank you Matt and Michael.
Fantastic conversation! Prof. Matt, if the current system of control becomes more unpredictable, how are we supposed to thrive individually and collectively? What is our duty in this context? How is this concrescence supposed to take place if there’s no coherence? Do we chalk it up to “ Life will find a way?” So many questions. Love your work. Thanks
This is a delightful surprise to see you two together. Michael Levin is doing some of the most fascinating work I can imagine, and your philosophical insights are an excellent vantage from which to explore it.
I think Michael’s talk about the continuum of agency and how interacting with different levels with the wrong perspective of that level’s agency, consciousness… doing it wrong has massive consequences to the system as a whole. Like our own society’s terrible view of nature, animals as conscious-less, non-experiencing automatons. Or like the yogic view of the human body, how we actually interact with our organs, compared to our modern views on health, and food… this is the paradigm shift that we need to heal
…Or our modern astronomy, seeing the cosmos as a lifeless, purposeless void of chaotic, colliding mass and random gravity. How does a lifeless cosmos affect the minds of the people? Compare someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson to Michael Clarage. Which worldview would be more truthful, healing to the species?
This was fantastic I’ve been listening for years to both of you so delighted when you get to speak together. It would be further amazing if you did this again and had Ian McGilchrist join you. That would be a brilliant trinity
Yes, McGilchrist would be helpful in showing how the rational mind -alone- leads to pompous psychopathy, idealized utopianism, and rampant eugenics....hmmm, reminds me of Plato. We are in danger of rewriting the human genome, and that of our fauna and flora, beyond repair. CRISPR and modifiedRNA technology will prove more destructive than any fusion or fission bomb. And many an erudite mind is untethered to reality and the natural world. Im reminded of Hesse's Glass Bead Game....and Steiner's Philosophy of Freedom. Blessings to us all - but we will need more than that.
Thank you both Mike and Matt, great job in bringing your thoughts forward as well Matt, Michael, its just a pleasure to keep up with his work, and yes Matt sit down with Richard Watson, could be interesting. Peace
Very fruitful discussion. I also liked that you compared the Great Oxidation Event to our current age , something I realised myself but couldn’t find anywhere else. Perhaps we end up drowning in plastic or some other pollutant.
The blind evolution theory (Neo-Darwinism) has been very well defeated by James Shapiro (molecular geneticist) in his two books with the same name, Evolution (2011, 2022). In fact, the intelligence found innately in life drives its own evolution, in Shapiro's view; this is the same intelligence that Levin speaks of. For one example, stress responses are found operating within evolution, leading to the regulation of mutability and genetic stability. Shapiro asserts that evolution acts with purpose when he shows us that DNA has read/write capabilities in a broader sense beyond this one example.
Thank you for this inspiring discussion; it reminds me of the late Thomas Berry's 12th principle for a functional cosmology in which he encourages us to 'assist in activating the intercommunion of all the living and non-living components of the Earth community in what can be considered the emerging Ecozoic era of Earth development'.
The new human has capabilities, using higher frequencies of mind and heart. The future will be the collective intention of the highest frequency. The universe is electric and magnetic. So are we.
20:32 The problem with that statement is that humans are NOT rational. Most are primarily driven by emotions, along with conscious or unconscious biases.
"If wehad a keen vision and feeling of all ordinary human life, it would be like hearing the grass grow and the squirrel's heartbeat, and we should die of that roar whichlies on the other side of silence" - George Eliot - MIDDLEMARCH.
I could listen to you two all day. Hope you’re able to connect with Richard Watson. That’s a conversation I’m looking forward to, think you’ll find/feel a lot of resonance.
Consciousness is primal. Projecting conscious Will into the greater collective consciousness can transform a psychotic, chaotic world into paradise. This is not fantasy. This is what we came here to do.
Re placebo effect: in the opposite direction, primitive societies had and have members who wither away to death...after being cursed by another person in the group
Joy is an intention, human collective vision and compassion transform the body at the cellular level when critical mass is achieved. Evolutionarily, cosmic events, often precede collective psychic progression.
The bird is sad for is an energizer of collective cosmic, that forms from which all planetary beings in our solar system, contribute energy and their intentions for our continuing evolution.
Michael is doing amazing things. Creating amazing useful paradigms and discovery's. To the degree that I'm sure i don't get how useful the approach and problem solving theory's truly is a still can grasp it's novelty and possible advancements of our civilization. But for me to feel comfortable in saying some thng is ethical that ethics can not come from a strict determinism no actual free will conscience is an illusion starting point, Fro no other reason than i believe whether such a fact is true or not, such a starting point will be the ultimate end of life or biology, if not just the genesis of a hell world. Robert Sapolsky who i have a very real respect for is dead set on promoting a theory of non agency and no freewill . It;'s not that i don't get Determinism and than the long string of cause and effect that leads up to a point where my chemical make up and metabolism and brains state will respond to outside stimuli one way and that's that. And framing it like that makes it very difficult to argue with . I think I can make several Valid arguments of how i can smuggle a version of free will into their. from a hypothesis of how determinism might scale like gravity. biology Exists above quantum weirdness or actual randomness but below strict determinism. What i need for my ethics is the belief that whatr ever the system of me is , at any movement in time the reaction to the outside stili is exactly because of the state of my system nd of the stat of my system was different the other choices or possibility where ther to be had , But it is my pattern, my complex emergen system which includes my historical cause and effect and the effects if my illusionary conscience on that system and that is why i'm in that state in that monument and yes will make that choice every time .. but that's the bare bones .. But i still believe there is a definition that has yet to be defined that expresses the obvious difference between biology and general MAtter that we can all wiriness.. life is animated Rocks Water Fire Air .. is niot what does it mean when some thing psoses goals ..
With all due respect to Prof. Sapolsky, who I’ve learned a lot from, he’s just wrong about determinism. Philosophers have been debating this for millennia, there was just as much reason to believe the idea that we are determined 2,000 years ago. Contemporary neuroscience and physics don’t add anything except perhaps more reasons to reject determinism.
3 minutes in: For the language-linguistic of the animal-bio-x there is already with that the inherent implicit carryforward of part-step-interactions with interlockings by the animal-bio-[x]linguistic-structure. In that sense there would seemingly be a repetitive automated machine like something facet that insists yet is not graspable until its been fully formed. The point being that there is a structure to the linguistic signifiers that has pattern order within it. And as such there is a a need for some of us to realize the logic of the thought-theory requires prototyping and at very least recognition of the difference between need to innovate with and around complex systems [self-as-a-construct-emergent-in the sense described above] vs complicated systems [governance as sufficient]. 4+ minutes in: For the alledged of we are supposed to lead there is with that recognition of providing the means whereby the leads lead [present themselves] with out being led by philosophers/scientists fed on themselves by funding troughs w censorship provisos. Latter part of 4 minutes in. A thought: For the wary of the "we: supposing there is with that an us needing improvement [given history reading between the prevailing status quo rewrites] by the professional "we" philosopher-king-scientist-court-press...
Quantum biology is the new medical frontier. It also connects humankind, collective intentions to the greater cosmos, for good, or for bad. In the end, our destiny resides, and how we cooperate as a species, and whether we choose to use our divine capabilities to transform our realities into a higher octave of light.
Xenobot as periscope, superject as same? Thanks. edit: periscope up, periscope down or vice versa respectively, or xenobot as periscope down that dances with superject periscope down.
28:58..." painting hopes and dreams onto rocks doesn't do that for you,"..if the medium is the message, what does painting on rocks get you vs painting on robots? I have been wondering about morphic resonance of the matter in semiconductors, computers and AI, why would the connected elements, molecules and atoms not be conscious or have potential to be as conscious as other atoms, molecules or elements from the same Universal continuum? And if the emerging technologies are forms resonating with the gold, lithium and other conflict minerals what is the unfoldment of that violence? AI can be made with hopes and dreams or schemes and nightmares...its the medium we must prehend. Perhaps.
And as imagination bodies forth The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen Turns them to shapes and gives to airy nothing A local habitation and a name.
Tell Michael I think the lifespan of planeria is a result of them possessing a larger cognitive light cone than cells with shorter lifespan and lower capacity for regeneration
Oh, what is fossilized ? everything’s in transformation and it’s just the time span that you look at it I don’t know why you have to perceive it, as a duality or polarity, as opposed to more space in the system, and the awakening of a bigger system Awareness
Why is the design only pure rationality? Why is there no love inside the system that is producing it with part of its rationality? In fact, we’re using our imagination space so that’s not rationality. ????
It’s all consciousness. Biology is a third dimensional concept. Everything beyond space-time is non-physical. The non-physical field of consciousness creates our reality.
Science must become spiritual science, metaphysics. Quantum mechanics and ancient Taoist teachings are identical. Religion is dead. Philosophy and ethics is the way forward.
1:03:40 and so what was pollution became um a kind of fuel or more complex life 1:03:46 and so we can't think of um the sorts of things human beings are 1:03:52 doing on the planet now from just uh from o1 site in a one-sided way we don't know what we're doing and we don't know 1:03:58 what life's capacity to to evolveI don't think we 1:08:18 can say that there will be a bunch of happy agents I don't think that we can say there will be a bunch of highly 1:08:24 intelligent like I don't know that we can know any of that um other than there will be stuff to 1:08:29 observe
What confuses me, that host is deliberately tries to pulverize theories to an extent that it loses the ground and turns into space of continues possibilities and beyond. I would prefer more grounded, yet mind-blowing development of Michael Levin research.
Ah, ok. Apologies then. I didnt post a link, though i was talking, in what i thought was a descrete fashion, of technologies that are rewriting genetic codes, not to put too fine a point on it. Very interesting....i must have tripped on an algorithm. Thats rather curious and alarming!? My humble apologies again, in that case. As many have already commented, i do hope Mr McGilchrist will make time for you - he is in high demand. And his new book may be among the most important of this young century. Cheers
"if your technological capacities too far outstrip your capacities for ethical reflection, you just destroy yourselves"
!love it man, you're brilliant!
Going to push back on this.. not the premise, but the idea that we've surpassed some threshold here. The more you go back in history, the more monstrous and morally diverse and averse you'll see humans.. brutally was the norm. It seems much of technology development up until now has worked to integrate and align humans towards good ethics and goals. (Though the sore parts stand out and there are certainly exceptions) more than ever people are concerned about the future of humanity and our planet and about treating others well.
@@sunnyinvladivostok yes yes, I agree. I find it most likely that people will destroy themselves through a technologically aided utter complacency, more so than utter devastation through technological means. I call it the obsolescence paradox, but I do agree with the underlying premise as stated by Matt too.
Check out Levin at the one hour mark... Exactly what I mean.
This video single handed-ly reignited my interest inbiology and philosophy after being fairly uninterested in both fields for a long time. Facing the real problems of our times and engaging with them in new thinking turns my existential fears into existential hopes. Keep it up!
Thought forms are blobs of probability. They are magnetic as frequencies attract. The more psychic energy humankind freely offers to boost a particular probability/outcome, the greater impact of a probability increases to that of a manifested form. This is the work of the age.
So delightful to hear two highly intelligent men deliver their wisdom in such a gentle, humble way, it so utterly refreshing and beautiful to observe. Thank you
Awesome. The metaphor that works for me is that the cognition -agency continuum, as is the case with many other continua, is better understood fractally, in the sense that it's not a a flat continuum within the range of one dimension, but it's between dimensions. And in any case it would be a verb rather than a noun.
I get it that people want to tinker with things. But reliably positive advances require a firm foundation. For example... Elon Musk wants to rush off to Mars but any successful colonization of Mars will require that the conditions prevailing on Earth are stable. Just so with wanting to engage in directing our evolution... until we comfortably understand the environment we find ourselves in any tinkering is premature and conceited.
We are only required to pay taxes and die. Also, if humans never leave earth, when the earth is swallowed by the sun humans will no longer exist.
Perhaps being reckless is necessary 😮❤
Disagreed, we'll likely go extinct before we "figure things out", if such a thing is even possible.
I agree that ideally we would first get our shit together and deliberate before doing such actions, but we don't have that luxury.
Wonderful. I have so much respect for Michael, and you are both such great communicators it was a really fruitful and rewarding discussion to listen in on. Thanks for doing this I hope you guys can chat more some time in the future.
I wrote a drawn out and borderline nonsensical comment a while back on one of your videos, which I won't blame you for not reading nor remembering but I was really struck by the diagram he shares in his slide @ 13:54 and how it simply expresses the gestalt I was trying to translate.
When I said I consider the future of humanity as an alien species I mean it in the same way that our predecessors might see us as aliens, even as an adult doing adult things is alien to an infant.
I concur with and believe I may have tried to express the same frustration Michael showed for the ways we identify with each other and how they are holding us back -- when moving forward we will almost certainly exercise our ever increasing power to alter our own physiology and in fact we are already doing this whether we like it or not.
This is not something to be afraid of. The physical distinctions we choose to define ourselves by are arbitrary in the ultimate sense -- in the same way the distinction between a physical and spiritual reality is arbitrary. & To become capable of changing in this way, but still recognizing each other in some deeper sense is a step forward in blurring the lines between the two if you can see what I mean?
We can see this as a physical and technological feat but really it is just a spiritual attainment achieved through physicality as a sort of language or path of intelligibility as opposed to a reality in and of itself...? One which can perhaps transcend even the need for physical means of accomplishing these same feats if we can get there experientially... if that makes sense?
I am always so uncomfortable and feel poorly equipped to express the ideas that form like tidal pools on the shores of my mind, so I really can't thank you enough for sharing discussions like these which help me immensely.
Also thank you for your explanation of Eternal Objects. I still feel like Whitehead is pretty inaccessible to me but this helps and it is interesting and relevant to my recent contemplation of my own personal approach to my various creative pursuits -- which is not to will something into being but to make space for something that is there and waiting, or to roll out a carpet or let down a draw bridge so to speak.
Cheers. Hope all is well for you, and everyone else reading this -- Good love in your life!
I am so glad you two could get together for this!
Loved this complex conversation as others here did as well. I deeply appreciate both intellects here. Special thanks to Matt when, especially toward the end, did his signature, gentle stretching of the range of metaphysical and human/animal enjoyment we must keep in mind. The conversation makes me mourn, too. I am a craftsman and use various forms of technology all the time. But I fear that the last 100 years or so of fetishizing automation, speed, and "cool shit" may finally be the end of us. Tech now seems driven by a wish for more and more distance from the vague massive intricacy grounding us (see Whitehead, Eugene Gendlin, and others). We must be evidence based, but maybe the data we must attend to is more vast, more "warm", less mathematical/digital than we imagine. Thank you Matt and Michael.
Fantastic conversation! Prof. Matt, if the current system of control becomes more unpredictable, how are we supposed to thrive individually and collectively? What is our duty in this context? How is this concrescence supposed to take place if there’s no coherence? Do we chalk it up to “ Life will find a way?” So many questions. Love your work. Thanks
I’ve been getting into Levin’s work recently as well, fascinating implications and applications for philosophy
This is a delightful surprise to see you two together. Michael Levin is doing some of the most fascinating work I can imagine, and your philosophical insights are an excellent vantage from which to explore it.
I think Michael’s talk about the continuum of agency and how interacting with different levels with the wrong perspective of that level’s agency, consciousness… doing it wrong has massive consequences to the system as a whole. Like our own society’s terrible view of nature, animals as conscious-less, non-experiencing automatons. Or like the yogic view of the human body, how we actually interact with our organs, compared to our modern views on health, and food… this is the paradigm shift that we need to heal
…Or our modern astronomy, seeing the cosmos as a lifeless, purposeless void of chaotic, colliding mass and random gravity. How does a lifeless cosmos affect the minds of the people? Compare someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson to Michael Clarage. Which worldview would be more truthful, healing to the species?
The current moment is perfect for the pressure in the system to express a new paradigm shift, and our expression in the space.
This was fantastic I’ve been listening for years to both of you so delighted when you get to speak together. It would be further amazing if you did this again and had Ian McGilchrist join you. That would be a brilliant trinity
I highly recommend watching the conversations between Levin, McGilchrist, and Watson. There are 4 or 5 of them.
Yes, McGilchrist would be helpful in showing how the rational mind -alone- leads to pompous psychopathy, idealized utopianism, and rampant eugenics....hmmm, reminds me of Plato. We are in danger of rewriting the human genome, and that of our fauna and flora, beyond repair. CRISPR and modifiedRNA technology will prove more destructive than any fusion or fission bomb. And many an erudite mind is untethered to reality and the natural world. Im reminded of Hesse's Glass Bead Game....and Steiner's Philosophy of Freedom. Blessings to us all - but we will need more than that.
Thank you both Mike and Matt, great job in bringing your thoughts forward as well Matt, Michael, its just a pleasure to keep up with his work, and yes Matt sit down with Richard Watson, could be interesting. Peace
Very fruitful discussion. I also liked that you compared the Great Oxidation Event to our current age , something I realised myself but couldn’t find anywhere else. Perhaps we end up drowning in plastic or some other pollutant.
Wonderful chat!
The blind evolution theory (Neo-Darwinism) has been very well defeated by James Shapiro (molecular geneticist) in his two books with the same name, Evolution (2011, 2022). In fact, the intelligence found innately in life drives its own evolution, in Shapiro's view; this is the same intelligence that Levin speaks of. For one example, stress responses are found operating within evolution, leading to the regulation of mutability and genetic stability. Shapiro asserts that evolution acts with purpose when he shows us that DNA has read/write capabilities in a broader sense beyond this one example.
Thank you for this inspiring discussion; it reminds me of the late Thomas Berry's 12th principle for a functional cosmology in which he encourages us to 'assist in activating the intercommunion of all the living and non-living components of the Earth community in what can be considered the emerging Ecozoic era of Earth development'.
Lowkey super hyped for this
The new human has capabilities, using higher frequencies of mind and heart. The future will be the collective intention of the highest frequency. The universe is electric and magnetic. So are we.
20:32 The problem with that statement is that humans are NOT rational. Most are primarily driven by emotions, along with conscious or unconscious biases.
All reasoning is cashed out in terms of one sentiment or another.
"If wehad a keen vision and feeling of all ordinary human life, it would be like hearing the grass grow and the squirrel's heartbeat, and we should die of that roar whichlies on the other side of silence" - George Eliot - MIDDLEMARCH.
I could listen to you two all day. Hope you’re able to connect with Richard Watson. That’s a conversation I’m looking forward to, think you’ll find/feel a lot of resonance.
Consciousness is primal. Projecting conscious Will into the greater collective consciousness can transform a psychotic, chaotic world into paradise. This is not fantasy. This is what we came here to do.
awesome! synbio is such a fascinating field
Re placebo effect: in the opposite direction, primitive societies had and have members who wither away to death...after being cursed by another person in the group
Interesting conversation!
The cell is already conscious electromag energy. The host wills cooperation at the mitochondria level telepathically
So if cells think and need energy to perform thought then words are the cogs in cognitive processing
Joy is an intention, human collective vision and compassion transform the body at the cellular level when critical mass is achieved. Evolutionarily, cosmic events, often precede collective psychic progression.
The bird is sad for is an energizer of collective cosmic, that forms from which all planetary beings in our solar system, contribute energy and their intentions for our continuing evolution.
All is mind. Mind is alive. Life creates with the mind pictures.
Michael is doing amazing things. Creating amazing useful paradigms and discovery's. To the degree that I'm sure i don't get how useful the approach and problem solving theory's truly is a still can grasp it's novelty and possible advancements of our civilization. But for me to feel comfortable in saying some thng is ethical that ethics can not come from a strict determinism no actual free will conscience is an illusion starting point, Fro no other reason than i believe whether such a fact is true or not, such a starting point will be the ultimate end of life or biology, if not just the genesis of a hell world. Robert Sapolsky who i have a very real respect for is dead set on promoting a theory of non agency and no freewill . It;'s not that i don't get Determinism and than the long string of cause and effect that leads up to a point where my chemical make up and metabolism and brains state will respond to outside stimuli one way and that's that. And framing it like that makes it very difficult to argue with . I think I can make several Valid arguments of how i can smuggle a version of free will into their. from a hypothesis of how determinism might scale like gravity. biology Exists above quantum weirdness or actual randomness but below strict determinism. What i need for my ethics is the belief that whatr ever the system of me is , at any movement in time the reaction to the outside stili is exactly because of the state of my system nd of the stat of my system was different the other choices or possibility where ther to be had , But it is my pattern, my complex emergen system which includes my historical cause and effect and the effects if my illusionary conscience on that system and that is why i'm in that state in that monument and yes will make that choice every time .. but that's the bare bones .. But i still believe there is a definition that has yet to be defined that expresses the obvious difference between biology and general MAtter that we can all wiriness.. life is animated Rocks Water Fire Air .. is niot what does it mean when some thing psoses goals ..
With all due respect to Prof. Sapolsky, who I’ve learned a lot from, he’s just wrong about determinism. Philosophers have been debating this for millennia, there was just as much reason to believe the idea that we are determined 2,000 years ago. Contemporary neuroscience and physics don’t add anything except perhaps more reasons to reject determinism.
3 minutes in: For the language-linguistic of the animal-bio-x there is already with that the inherent implicit carryforward of part-step-interactions with interlockings by the animal-bio-[x]linguistic-structure.
In that sense there would seemingly be a repetitive automated machine like something facet that insists yet is not graspable until its been fully formed.
The point being that there is a structure to the linguistic signifiers that has pattern order within it.
And as such there is a a need for some of us to realize the logic of the thought-theory requires prototyping and at very least recognition of the difference between need to innovate with and around complex systems [self-as-a-construct-emergent-in the sense described above] vs complicated systems [governance as sufficient].
4+ minutes in:
For the alledged of we are supposed to lead there is with that recognition of providing the means whereby the leads lead [present themselves] with out being led by philosophers/scientists fed on themselves by funding troughs w censorship provisos.
Latter part of 4 minutes in.
A thought: For the wary of the "we: supposing there is with that an us needing improvement [given history reading between the prevailing status quo rewrites] by the professional "we" philosopher-king-scientist-court-press...
Lovely chat, thankyou
So if we are capable of communicating with our energetic biological systems could words that are energy constructs be the missing link in disease
Quantum biology is the new medical frontier. It also connects humankind, collective intentions to the greater cosmos, for good, or for bad. In the end, our destiny resides, and how we cooperate as a species, and whether we choose to use our divine capabilities to transform our realities into a higher octave of light.
see also my earlier dialogue with Mike on Karen Wong's channel: th-cam.com/video/LFQi1NuUNbA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mQRwd6qWXMBfTm_e
I second Matt's suggestion that anyone who hasn't already seen this, go back and have a look. Peace
Interesting how slime evolved into military industrial complex.
Xenobot as periscope, superject as same? Thanks. edit: periscope up, periscope down or vice versa respectively, or xenobot as periscope down that dances with superject periscope down.
Could we think of Life as driven to maximize the capacity to express variety?
I find it very whitheadian to loose the train of thought and then catch it back on the go
12:00 hacker, wasp parasite, hedgehog gall
Many thanks for this.
Could we think of all the "physical stuff" as implementations of Computations?
what's with the Nikolai Roerich painting at 6'24" ?
28:58..." painting hopes and dreams onto rocks doesn't do that for you,"..if the medium is the message, what does painting on rocks get you vs painting on robots? I have been wondering about morphic resonance of the matter in semiconductors, computers and AI, why would the connected elements, molecules and atoms not be conscious or have potential to be as conscious as other atoms, molecules or elements from the same Universal continuum? And if the emerging technologies are forms resonating with the gold, lithium and other conflict minerals what is the unfoldment of that violence? AI can be made with hopes and dreams or schemes and nightmares...its the medium we must prehend. Perhaps.
And as imagination bodies forth
The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen
Turns them to shapes and gives to airy nothing
A local habitation and a name.
Get down with a periscope.
Tell Michael I think the lifespan of planeria is a result of them possessing a larger cognitive light cone than cells with shorter lifespan and lower capacity for regeneration
Oh, what is fossilized ? everything’s in transformation and it’s just the time span that you look at it
I don’t know why you have to perceive it, as a duality or polarity, as opposed to more space in the system, and the awakening of a bigger system Awareness
The optimization of ethical singularity is utopia.
Thank you 🙏🏾
Why is the design only pure rationality? Why is there no love inside the system that is producing it with part of its rationality? In fact, we’re using our imagination space so that’s not rationality. ????
The jostling for position in presenting a soft clay to the creative energy imprints while the creative wave withdraws and sublimates.
Good stuff.
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It’s all consciousness. Biology is a third dimensional concept. Everything beyond space-time is non-physical. The non-physical field of consciousness creates our reality.
Read the work of Elizabeth Sutorus md
Bruce Lipton PHD books
my follow up thoughts after this exchange (recorded while cleaning dog poo off my robovac: th-cam.com/video/Ozz2wvy-GWQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OVnJuz2Hq_u5dBGh
Science must become spiritual science, metaphysics. Quantum mechanics and ancient Taoist teachings are identical. Religion is dead. Philosophy and ethics is the way forward.
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and so what was pollution became um a kind of fuel or more complex life
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and so we can't think of um the sorts of things human beings are
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doing on the planet now from just uh from o1 site in a one-sided way we don't know what we're doing and we don't know
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what life's capacity to to evolveI don't think we
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can say that there will be a bunch of happy agents I don't think that we can say there will be a bunch of highly
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intelligent like I don't know that we can know any of that um other than there will be stuff to
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observe
Quantum medicine
Intuitive skills are biological
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I want the MEAT. To hell with ethics. WHATEVER THE COST
God BLESS MICHAEL.
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What confuses me, that host is deliberately tries to pulverize theories to an extent that it loses the ground and turns into space of continues possibilities and beyond. I would prefer more grounded, yet mind-blowing development of Michael Levin research.
Generic engineering is already happening
I see you love your censorship, young man ; )
If you posted something with a link, TH-cam blocks it. Out of my hands.
Ah, ok. Apologies then. I didnt post a link, though i was talking, in what i thought was a descrete fashion, of technologies that are rewriting genetic codes, not to put too fine a point on it. Very interesting....i must have tripped on an algorithm. Thats rather curious and alarming!? My humble apologies again, in that case. As many have already commented, i do hope Mr McGilchrist will make time for you - he is in high demand. And his new book may be among the most important of this young century. Cheers